Megan Moroney: Cheating, Cowgirls, & Chaos (Full Episode)

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. Megan Moroney, welcome to Call Her. Daddy. Thank you. I am so happy you're here. I. can already tell this is going to be a. disaster in the best way. I know. I'm. I'm like high-key terrified. Okay, so you're OG Daddy Gang. OG Daddy Gang. Let's just talk about that for a minute. cuz I do think that changes the vibe of. an interview, right? It does. Like I was a junior in college.

walking around the University of Georgia. with my Block Him hoodie. It was It was. the black one with pink writing. So good. I had my pink unwell hat on. Just being. an absolute menace. A man would look at. me the wrong way and I'm like, "Blocked.". Honestly, I think that just says so much. about you. I'm I already feel like we're. best friends. I already know the energy. is going to be fabulous today. Congratulations. Like. you are everywhere in the best way. You're so [ __ ] talented. You deserve. all the success and everything that has.

come your way. Like it's so cool to see. a woman in your position rise so quickly. and it just all happened. Your new album. is called MIOK. So obviously I have to. say like are you okay? How are we doing. today, Megan? What is going on? We are more than okay. This has been. like the best week ever. So I'm so okay. Um but valid question. If you've. listened to the album, it's like, "Dude, is she okay?" I like that you really. write from like the personal perspective. and you give a lot of details about your. life and your love life specifically. because obviously the tea is hot and I. love the tea. So I'm like, "Let's Megan.

give it.". You call yourself an emo cowgirl. What. does that mean? Can you explain it to. us? So emotional cowgirl. Not to be. confused with goth cowgirl. I get a lot. of questions about those two.

you're not giving goth. I'm not giving. goth. We're giving pink sparkles, like. over-the-top, not goth, but emotional. I. am probably the most emotional, sensitive person ever. When is the last. time you cried over a guy? Um a few. months ago. I was about to say a few. minutes ago. Oh, no, no, no. Girlfriend, we are good. But. a few months ago, yeah. I was just um. I was having a breakdown over a loser, but. I mean, isn't it so sad when you waste. your tears on a loser and then hindsight.

is Yeah. And then like you think of your. mental state and you're like, "Girlfriend." But like you have to have. those moments. Like you have to go. through it and then you come out on the. other side and you're you're better. And then the best is when you look back. and you're like, "Yes, was it. embarrassing I cried like not as bad as. a like he's such a [ __ ] loser." Like. I don't care as much anymore and you. have perspective. But in the moment it. hurts. It does hurt in the moment. But we got. some good songs out of it. Okay. So, let's talk about you obviously. are a country singer. You Where were you. born and raised? Like take me back to.

your hometown and what growing up was. like. So, I was born in Savannah, Georgia. I. grew up in Douglasville, Georgia, which. is west of Atlanta. And um I feel like for 22, 23 years of my life, I grew up very. normal. Like this all just changed. Um. so, yeah. I mean, I grew up playing. guitar with my dad and my brother. They. taught me how to play guitar. I was a. cheerleader in high school. I also did. musical theater though, so like you can. imagine the vibes were a little weird. I was going to say. those don't go together. So, yeah. I I.

hurt my knee cheerleading though my. junior year. I was in a wheelchair for 2. months. I have like a gnarly scar on my. knee that I. You can show me later. But I um I was. taking your pants off already. I'm like, "Babe, we're 5 minutes in." Honestly, let it rip. Um but I was in a wheelchair, so while I. had nothing to do, I really learned how. to play guitar. Um. my dad taught me and it was only for. fun, though. Like, you know, after. school and on the weekends, my dad and I. I loved country music growing up. I've. always loved country music. So, me and. my dad would just sing together with if.

my brother was in town, we'd do. three-part harmonies. It was just fun. And I never thought that I would have a. career out of it, though. It was always. just for fun because I Where I'm from, you kind of do what your parents do when. you grow up, you know? And my mom was an. accountant. So, I I understood. accounting, so I was like, maybe I'm. supposed to be doing taxes. Um I'll get. to college and figure it out. So, that. was my mindset. So, yeah, I I feel like I had a very. normal upbringing. Um music was only. just like a side thing. But I feel like what we see, sadly, but.

also positive for those that have this. kind of like rise, like he was like, if. you get to have a normal childhood, you. have the best chance of keeping your. [ __ ] together and not losing your mind. and like going through it because people. at a young age, it's like important to. have your formative years try If you can. have normalcy and like stability and not. people like taking of you. As much as we. all think at a young age that would be. so cool, that's a lot to put a young kid. through. And then it's almost like in. their 20s and 30s, they want to like go.

back and relive like a childhood and. like recreate what they wish they had. You had a normal life. So, you're now. like coming into this and like it seems. like you're just like a normal girl in. the best way that like went to college. and had pretty normal life experiences. You just mentioned your brother. I'm. curious growing up, like were your. brothers super protective with boys? Like what was the vibe in the house? So, my oldest brother that plays guitar, he is about 15 years older than me, I. think. And um so, I didn't grow up with. him, but my other brother is 2 years.

older than me. Um Same. My brother's 2. years older than me. He is like the. sweet angel. Like, I could not ask for a. better brother. So, he was never like. the brother that was like cussing my. boyfriends out. Um but he's definitely. protective. I dated his best friend. That was my first boyfriend. Um I I love. how I'm like, was he like protective and. like did he scare boys away? Meanwhile, you're like, no, I ruined his life. I. dated his best friend. Um yeah, they're. not friends anymore. Meghan! Yeah, that I wouldn't go back. and do that again.

Wait, can you tell me the story? What. happened? So, I It was actually like. really weird looking back. I was in. eighth grade and he was a What is that? A sophomore going to be a junior. So, I. was about to be a soph- or a freshman. though. So, um he was hot and all the. way baseball team and I started like I. don't even know how we started talking. I think we started texting or something. He became my first like serious. boyfriend. We did it for 2 and 1/2. years. He shattered my heart because. when it was time for him to go to. college, he like made up some lie and. like broke up with me and I was. distraught. Like I had my my mom had to.

sleep with me every night for like a. month. You know what's crazy is like. when you get older, I still probably. would want my mom to sleep with me when. I'm crying, but since we don't live. together, like I'm like, if the. proximity was there, would I still call. my mom when I was heartbroken? Yes. If. she would be in my bed, I would even. like that more and like sob all night. We also I'm dead that that was then your. brother's best friend. Like Yeah. And he was like chill in the house about. it? Well, my brother is one of those things. where he was like, well, he's making her. happy, so I'm not going to say anything. so nice. He's like the sweetest sweetest angel.

Um but yeah, that didn't end That didn't. end well. Okay, cuz I know then the. story, doesn't it go like then you. wanted to go to the same college as him? Yes. So, me and my brother were like. very close growing up. Like I wanted to. be like I wore my brother's clothes. growing up. He played baseball, so I. played baseball. I wasn't on the. softball team. I wanted to be like my. brother. Um so, when he went to the University of. Georgia, and my brother's the smart one. Um not that I'm not smart, but my. brother is like he never had to study. for tests. He graduated with like a 4.0. I'm just like Like.

Like give me you a couple brain cells. Like Miranda Lambert has a song that. says my brother got the brains of the. family, so I thought I'd learn to sing. and I'm like I resonated with that lyric. so hard as a young child. You were doing. science. him to UGA. Yeah, so when I was. a freshman he was a senior. Like he did. my laundry for me. It was a perfect. scenario. I lived in the dorms which. were crusty as hell. He had a house, so. we would have like pizza nights once a. week. It was like very wholesome. Okay, wait. Back to high school before. we get to college. What were you like in. high school? Um I I feel like I was a.

very much a relationship girl. Um I had. that boyfriend for 2 years and then my. second half of high school I also had a. boyfriend. Um so I feel like I was in I. was a cheerleader, too, but I was also. in musical theater, so I feel like I was. friends with everyone, but I didn't feel. like I really belonged in high school. I. was going to say like if I walked into. your cafeteria, what clique am I sitting. you like seeing you with? Um maybe with. the cheerleaders, but like on that very. end. end seat. Stop. Cuz then like your theater girls.

are over there and you're like, "What. are you. the theater girls were like, "Should we. trust her? She's a cheerleader." And. then the cheerleaders were like, I just. I did not know who I was in high school. I would not say I peaked in high school. Okay, hold on. Did I read though that. then you thought about going and. following your high school boyfriend to. college? I did. I am a simp. Dude, I am. Dude, if he if he said, "Go to this. college for me." I would have been like, "Babe, I got you. I will absolutely. rearrange my life for you." Not anymore.

Not anymore. No. We're reformed. Not anymore. We're. we're recovered. Right. But okay, when you were simping, were were you guys with the same age? This is not your brother's best friend. This is a new boyfriend. This is a new. boyfriend. The day I got into UGA, I was. like, "SEE YOU.". YOU'RE LIKE BREAKING up with you. Love. you so much. Not really. Um. Got to go. Isn't that so crazy? Like I. remember I had a high school boyfriend. and when I got to Boston, I was. convinced I was going to stay with him. I'm like, "We're going to make it work.

long distance." The minute I got on. campus and saw like. Dude, yeah. The junior boys, I was. literally like, "Peace." Like literally. gone. to UGA and there's guys that are like. 6'5" there and you're like, "Oh my god.". You literally don't even remember your. ex-boyfriend's name. it was so fun. Like, it was so much fun. Okay, you're in a sorority. I was. And like, I am from the Northeast. I. went to school in Boston. Like, I don't. and I was an athlete, so I don't. understand sorority life whatsoever. You. need to like walk me through being in. Georgia and being in a sorority. I feel.

like that is like the creme de la creme. of like crazy sorority life. Tell me. everything. Like, what was the best? What was the worst parts of it? It was insane and I don't regret it. I. think that being in KD actually I was a. Kappa Delta. And I wasn't necessarily. involved in everything. Like, I wasn't. like planning it like I would go to what. I had to go to to not get fined. Wait, and it's Kappa. Not to get fined? Oh, wait. You get. fined? You If you don't go to chapter, you get. like fined and stuff. Okay, wait. Hold on. I Maybe Daddy Gang like knows what the. [ __ ] is going on, but I need you to slow.

down. First of all, what is If you. didn't go to chapter, did you say? didn't go to chapter, you would get. fined or like if you couldn't go to. Chapter is like once a week. Something. that could have been an email. I always. went in there and I'm like, "This could. have been an email.". Um but thank god I'm not studying for my. tests. This is awesome. What do you do. at chapter? You sit there. I'm like I. honestly have like trauma blocked it. You're like, "I don't remember cuz I. don't want to remember.". No. Um it wasn't as culty as people make. it sound, but there were some like. things where we'd all have to sing. together. It was like only like once a. month where you would like do the like.

the the chants together. No, literally. Like, I'm not even Wait, do a chant. Come on. I I don't remember it. Oh. Kappa Kappa 1 2 3 No, those were. That's rush week. And anything you see. on TikTok that looks that insane is. LITERALLY LIKE THE. IT IS IT WAS AN EXPERIENCE and. I will say. I wouldn't go back and change it, but. like once you're out of it, you're like, "That is kind of crazy." Crazy. We paid. to be in it. We paid a lot of money to. be in it. And if you didn't go to.

things, you'd get fined. But, I did meet. my best friends. Aw. And. um I mean like my sorority had 300 girls. in it though, so you're not going to. like everybody, obviously. Like, I think. that's kind of what they portray is. like, "Oh my god, we're the best of. friends. If you're a Kappa Delta, then. it's family." And while I don't disagree. with that, but it's just like it's it's. hard to get 300 girls to get along. Uh yeah. But, I met my very best friends through. that. Like, my best friend Natalie, we. met the first day of rush and like we're. inseparable. She lives in Nashville, like. We just had a meeting. And there's like.

so many others that I met through KD and. but it was definitely like being in a. sorority in Georgia is exactly what you. would think it is. What was your type in college? Like, what guys you're going for? Douchebag. Oh, [ __ ]. Be honest with. just that's not on purpose. Um but, there's a through line with. You're like, "And then it kept going out. of college, which we're still. unpacking.". college, loved an athlete. Oh my god, and y'all. Um college or professional, didn't care.

Oh my god, Megan. Hold on. Rewind. Hold on. Okay, so you weren't going for. the frat boys. No. And so, what sports. on campus did we infiltrate? Football. See, I didn't have a football team. What. the [ __ ] I had so I had soccer and oh, hockey was like the main thing in. Boston. Okay, the football boys. It was. brief though, and then I baseball, too. Different college though. I dated a. baseball boy that played at a different. college. How was that? Um it was an experience.

cheat on you? Yes. Oh crap. Like, it's like a ride in the past. Can I be honest with you though? He's my. favorite ex. Really? Because he came around and apologized. for his actions and was like, "You know. what? I did treat you like [ __ ] I was. immature." And I can respect that. I can respect that, too. It's like when. they really like push you so down in the. dumps to at least apologize cuz some of. them act like you're crazy, even if you. like find the nudes on the phone, it's. like, that somehow got there.

of that, so I had found a nude on a. phone, and he he said it was from a long. time ago, whatever. Actually, I didn't. find it. He was like going through his. Snapchat, and then it just like comes. up, you know what I mean? How old was. this? what was that? Why did Wait, and this is. This is in college? This was in college. Okay. Um so, I was like, what was that? And. whatever lie he told, I believed him. Of. course. Of course. You're like, oh my. god, babe, don't worry. more evidence that um. I I was in a shower, and I saw this like. long piece of brown hair on the wall of.

the shower, and I convinced myself that. you were going brown. No, that his hair. No. It was I would convince myself that. that strand of hair came off his head. Megan, I thought you were going to say. you were going combing through your own. hair being like, there must be one piece. of brown coming through. [ __ ] what? Yeah. It was a low point for me, and the. best part is and like I will be out of. all my exes, like I swear he's one of my. favorites, because he's just him and I. It was an immature relationship. I think. you look back at college and you're.

like, we were stupid, we were having. fun, and it was never that serious. And. so that's how I view him. Wait, is he. the one that you found the nudes on his. phone? Yeah. Got it. Is that how you. found out he was cheating? Yeah, it was. or that's how I like had an inkling, and. then But can I just pause you there? I. think that's a really, really good. moment for us women to look at. Like, when we get mad at our friends for not. leaving their like piece of [ __ ]. boyfriends that we all know they're. cheating, like, think about what you. just said. This man has short brown. hair, and you find a 22-in. long brown extension curled up in the.

shower, and you're like, it must be. Brad's. Like, it must be like. got to be his. The delusion runs deep. do that to me. He loves me. He said he. loves me. This has to be his hair. It's. the delusion runs so deep we can't even. be mad. It's like you are blinded until. you get out. Okay, what were you going. to say? So, I'm not a phone looker. througher. Okay. Um but, I purchased his Apple. Watch. Okay. So, I looked through the Apple. Watch. No, Megan.

What's worse? That I bought it. So, it was my watch to. go through. The genius sitting across from me, I. have never been more impressed. And you know what? You know what I did? I I sent him a picture I was supposed to. meet him somewhere. Okay. getting ready. He had to go early. I'm like crying out of happiness. I'm. literally I sent him a picture of the. Apple Watch. And the pic like the text. that proved that my suspicions were.

correct. And then he starts calling me a million. times. I have packed up all of my. belongings, put them in my 2010 Mustang. at the time. Oof, girl. And I went to. the pool. What? And I waited for him to get home. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. No. No. No. I I need you to rewind cuz. my brain just blacked out and I'm like, and then she drove away. Hold on. You. What? I sent him the proof. So, he had to go. somewhere I was supposed to meet him. I. sent him he left his Apple Watch. So, I.

was like, this is God's plan. Right. So, we're going to go through. I send him. the pictures. No caption. No nothing. I. just sent it to him. What are the pictures? Um it's just text. where it they're like late like they. went out and like they're like, "Oh, your door is locked." Like that sort of. stuff. So, I send him that. No reaction. He's. calling me a million times. I don't. answer. I wait until he's done at his. event and has to come home and deal with. me. And where does he find me? All of my. [ __ ] packed in my car and I'm laying by. the pool lounging. Are you like Let me. Are you in a bikini? Can I preface this?

I was in college listening to Call Her. Daddy at the time. I think this is your. doing. You're listening to my voice be like, "Get a match. Burn his home down. Smile. and take a selfie." Leaving right now is. It's good enough. No, you need to like. relish in it. Just like, "Hi, babe." The. crazy eyes. Like, "Did you get my text?". I've been waiting for you to come home. And honestly, can I be really honest? Yes. I sent and I stayed that night. Mad girl.

This is Okay, this is what I'm talking. about though, like being able to live. life and go through college and be. delusional and dumb has made me. the person I am. to realize to realize that like it's. okay to be that dumb because one day you. will grow up and be 26 years old and. laugh at that. I am so appreciative of. your honesty because you're just like I. appreciate it. You're not too cool to be. like, "Bitch, I stayed." Like, absolutely. I made him dinner that.

night. I'm like so easily manipulated by. What was his What was his lie? What was. See, I don't even remember. It was Must. have been good. I think honestly, you know what it was, which now I have like a song that. correlates to it, which this song wasn't. even written about the situation, but it. correlates, was like I knew if I left, I. would have to go home and I wasn't. supposed to be home, so my mom would ask. me why I was there and then I have to. get the mom involved. Oh. So, I have a. song called Mom I lied on my new record, which is not about this situation. because he's sweet angel, we love him.

This is about a different guy, but He's. a sweet angel, we love him. now at the time Okay, we were mad at him. for You love all of your exes. You love. the Snapchat baby boy with the nudies. You love the man This isn't a man? No, no, no. Okay, I take it back. We don't. love him. Oh. But compared to the rest. Oh, it just keeps getting worse. I love. how Megan's like, "And I just like am. the woman I am today cuz it got better.". You're like, "Hold my [ __ ] actually, Alex. The Mustang has nothing on them. what I'm about to share with you. Okay, did you unpack the Mustang alone? Did. you do it like you were moving in.

together?". day and honestly, shortly after that, our relationship was never the same. And. so, it did take like 2 months and then. after that big event, it was never the. same. I will say when you are close with your. mother, there's nothing worse. Like I. did the same where I found out a guy was. cheating on me and I was just like I. have I would rather stay than tell my. mom right now cuz I'm not ready for her. to know and the wrath of like her to. protect me. I need to like live in the. delusion just a little bit longer. I haven't decided if I'm really done.

yet. So when I tell my mom it's over. Like. My first back to my first boyfriend. god. when I said I was going to text him. and my mom was like I will turn your. phone off. And my my mom like monitored. my text messages. You're still on the. family plan. She's like I will cut the. cord if you even try. Oh wow, I really. love that about your mom though because. she's trying to keep you honest with. yourself of like you deserve better, but. you're like I don't want better right. now, Mom. This feels perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so that. was college. That And what are we This. is like sophomore, junior?

That was sophomore-ish, I believe. Okay. Okay. Um did you ever like the. same guy as any of your sorority. sisters? Or no? You were like you were. out in the field and they were with the. frat boys. dated guys usually like I didn't. actually date any guy at Georgia ever. Like they were always elsewhere. I'm not. going to lie, that is probably the best. way to do it so you can kind of keep. your own [ __ ] over there and like not. have to deal with them on campus and you. It's It's a better way to go about it. I. did the same exact thing. Actually, is. it a better way to go about it? It's.

absolutely not. It's actually makes them. be 10 times shadier, but it seems fun. Okay, what professional sports were we. um dabbling with in college, sweetie? Can I play the pedal? I thought you were about to look at me. I don't know why. Okay, can I be honest? You just gave me a look that I thought. you were about to be like I have a funny. story. We have talked to the same man. before. I'm like I wouldn't put it past. you. have a story for that at a later date. We do know a same hockey man. Um Wait. Wait, say it to me and we're. going to cut it. Who? You swear? I I I.

promise on my life. YOU DON'T WANT IT. OUT THERE EITHER. I'm married. Um. Okay, all of that is cut. Daddy gang, I'm sorry. I just blue ball do you but. we do know a similar athlete and it is. not Slim Shady. He doesn't play that. sport. No. Yeah. I think he's like a neurotic. sociopath. I wouldn't disagree. Put it past. Okay. Okay, I need to hear. the story afterwards because. girl. Um okay, we need to talk about. college because I think like we were. just talking about you are having a.

normal life and all of a sudden in. college your life changes and like from. what I was doing my research on and I. want you to tell the whole story like. this wasn't a planned thing, right? This. kind of just happened that all of a. sudden your career took off. Tell us the. full story if you can if you don't mind. Yes. Okay. I'll try to make this brief. cuz it's long. But so like I said I grew. up playing music with my family. So I. would post videos on Instagram sometimes. of like our covers and if the harmony. sounded good, I'd post that. And so I.

when I got to college and I was in the. sorority, I was known as like the. country singer just because I I didn't. even write songs. I was just singing. country songs with my family. So. everyone was like that's her. And so for. one of our philanthropy events, we hired. Jon Langston. Which he's a country artist and we used. all of our budget on him. So we didn't. have money for an opener. But they were. like Megan is the country singer. She. can surely get up there and entertain. people for 20 minutes before Jon. Langston comes on. So me, my dad, and my. brother played that gig. We played three. cover songs. I think it was like two.

Miranda Lambert songs and one Kacey. Musgraves song. And at that show, Chase. Chase Rice was there. So of course he. was at the sorority, right? Of course. Of course, Chase. Of course. Shout out, Chase. Um he saw me perform there and was like. I have a show at the Georgia Theatre. next month that isn't sold out. If you. bring all of these hot girls to the. Georgia Theatre, you can open for me. first of three. The only condition is. that you write your own song cuz I don't. want you to perform covers, that's. weird. And so I wrote one song to be. able to do that and the rest were.

covers. So I had 30 minutes, and since I. like ever since I played that show, like. it completely changed everything. And I. was like, this is what I want to do with. my life. I don't know how I'm going to. make this happen, but we're going to do. it. So. Dude, that is so crazy that like. it was like a hobby of yours that you're. like, I do this fun thing with my. family, and then all of a Was that crazy. for your family to be like you're taking. off when it was kind of like you guys. like fun hobby thing together? Yeah, like it was very surreal for my family. to like see me perform at the Georgia.

Theatre cuz that's like an iconic venue. in Athens, and for it to happen like so. quickly. It was my freshman year, but. even throughout college, you know, like. I also like never skipped class. I was. very into school. Um, so I was very focused on school. work. So I really didn't write that much. in college. I really didn't start. writing writing all the time till COVID. Um, so even in college, like I was known. I was getting gigs, and I was playing at. the local restaurant for tips and. literally like for 10 people, but it. wasn't like, oh, she's doing it, cuz it.

was also like, well, there's 10 people. in there, and they're all your friends. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Wait, I'm so fascinated though because. if you weren't always writing songs, like what was that like first. songwriting process like for you when. you had to like sit down and start to. figure out like what your sound was and. your voice? It's really interesting. because I I have no idea. I like just. sat down with a guitar, and I was like, okay, you have to write a song. The. first song I wrote was called Stay a. Memory, and it was like, of course, like. a [ __ ] you song. like, stay a memory and.

don't come back. Um, and that's kind of. the vibe of my music now, so I feel like. I've always had that kind of like. empowering, confident, like vibe to my. songwriting, and then um, my junior. year, I feel like I wrote I got my heart. broken pretty bad, and I started writing. songs for like therapeutic purposes, and. it was like. ever since then, it's just been easy. Like I started I learned how to write by. myself, and I always tell young. songwriters, like if there's anything. you need to do, it's learn to write by. yourself because you know you have a.

point of view, you know what you want to. say, and if you can sit down and finish. your song, then like you've got it. Well, that's what I was going to say is. like what I love so much about your. music is you can Yes, you can tell that. you are personally writing it, and I. appreciate when it's obviously very. relatable because you're going through. like a lot of [ __ ] that like women go. through, aka heartbreak. And when I'm. listening to your songs, I have to ask. like what would you consider your. biggest heartbreak? My biggest. heartbreak. Like what was the worst one? My biggest.

heartbreak, like I I think there's like. a few that are tied. It's guys I didn't. date. I guess. that sounds so dramatic, but like I. said, I'm I'm very sensitive, and I. guess you could say dramatic. So, what. I've created in my head is always so. much better and hard to let go of than. what actually happened. Like with the. guys that I've truly dated, like we see. it through till we like You know what I. mean? Like. Yes. by the time it's like we're done.

Okay. We're handshaking like Peace. Peace. Um but it's it's the guys I feel. like that have broken my heart the most. are the ones that like I never even. like officially dated. It's like the situationships where you. are like Half of the relationship is you. like laying in bed and like fantasizing. about like what you'll be, and half the. things you think about and fantasize, they never even happen. they've showed you who they could be, and so in your brain you create an. entire scenario of what has not and will. not happen.

It's actually so painful. And when you. say it like that though, it does make. more sense. You're right. Like when. you're in long-term relationships, you. go through everything together almost, and by the end like I actually kind of. understand when you're like the college. guys that you that you were like I love. him, like he's great. Yeah, because you. lived a whole like experience with him, and it was like it was time to move on. The situationships where you're like, are we something? Are are we not? I feel. like I feel like you're wife one day and. then I feel like trash the next day. It's a [ __ ] mindfuck. Are you.

someone that like can immediately get. over someone though or you like on. someone for a while? I feel like I usually sit in my sadness. for a while. Um I especially now like I. don't have time to date guys. Like I So. like I feel like moving on in college. was easier cuz you can just oh go out. and meet some hot guy or like I used to. be on Raya so it's like you're just. entertaining yourself with. other dudes or whatever like and then. it's like I don't have time for any of. that now though so I feel like. Okay, but do you ever feel like you put.

yourself in a situation cuz you know. it's going to make a great song? Alex. There are times where my friends have. scolded me and I've been like. I'm like no the content we are going to. get from this is going to be. spectacular. Bear with me. It's Okay, to. be fair, I think when I look back at a. lot of my show I'm like I maybe stayed. in things longer cuz I was like god this.

is going to be a good episode and at. least we're getting to like put it. somewhere where like a lot of times you. hear girls be like doing it for the plot. but our plot turns into a song or an. episode that like is entertaining and. fun and can help people so you know. what? We can be the vessel of heartbreak. and we can just keep going through it. and then people are going to feel better. about their lives. So I don't judge you. I hope you know I've done it too. So I. was asking cuz I was like oh I wonder if. she's like me where we just like stay in. things like that There will be times. where like there was a situation not. that long ago where I did something and.

I texted my manager and I said we're. going to get a good song out of this. Also make me a therapy appointment for. tomorrow. No. No. Can you No. Give me a hint. Give me a. You were going through it. Um yeah, it. was just like a. it was a fresh out the slammer by Taylor. Swift situation. I wonder if I know who you're talking.

about. No. No? No? Maybe. I'm going to get there. Don't. worry, I'm going to ask you a lot of. questions. You're not done. Do you believe in this like the classic. saying, in order to get over someone you. need to get under someone new? Um I. think you should go to therapy. No. I think. You're like, actually therapy. You're. like, what I know in my brain is. therapy. The reality of what I do Um. well, I don't think that always helps. because I think like I've tried that.

before and then it's like you end up. just missing them more. You know what I. mean? Like it can go maybe works out, but I feel like for the most part it. doesn't. And for me, like when I go to. therapy and then I tell my therapist how. I'm getting treated, that usually like. helps me get over it. Right, they're. like, let me That's what she's like, so. wrong. me bring you back down to earth and like. let you realize how you're supposed to. be treated. I'm like, oh [ __ ]. That's the worst when they're like, so let me say back to you what you just. said to me. And I'm like, no. And she's. like, so you just said he did this,

this, this, and this to you. And you. called him the next morning. And I'm. like, uh-huh. Of course. He. He said he was sorry. Dude, that is humbling. Okay, so now I. agree though, like it's very rare if. you're moving on from someone that you. can find someone that will actually make. you forget about the person that you're. hung up on. That's [ __ ] rare. Like I. maybe my life I've had it once and then. it like also fades anyways. Right. And then you're with the person, you're still thinking about the other.

person. So it's like, this is not good. for anyone involved. No. Okay, let's. talk about Megan now though because we. did, you know, I did catch when you. said, you know, oh, it got worse. Just for a second. there. It. It got worse. It got real worse. Um, you. get out of college and. what happened after college? Did you get. cheated on by another. I did. Absolutely. Of course I did, Alex. Um, so there was this guy. I moved to. Nashville right after college. Literally.

during COVID. So that was like a. horrible time to move anywhere, but I. was just dying to get after it. So um, I. can't remember if it was I guess I had a. boyfriend during COVID. That that. doesn't count. Um It was like a long. distance thing. That was just like. really stupid um, to try to date someone. long distance during COVID. I don't know. what I was doing. No, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. But after that um, I dated a guy in. Nashville and well actually we weren't. officially dating. Um Those are the. worst.

And like I I know I'm saying this story. and everyone's going to think it's about. someone, but I'm just going to say that. it's not this person. It's not him. This. is not this story. This is someone else. good for the next story. Um, but this right now is not about him. I dated some guy. He had a whole. girlfriend the whole time. I was with. him every single day. He had a. girlfriend. Megan. He wasn't just cheating. The. trust issues that are coming out of this. episode. Dude. And like I could not. believe it. He was he was like low-key. insane though. Like when I first met.

him, he called my friends into the. bathroom and was crying about the. feelings he had for me. Like there was. something not right up here. Um. And that's who sleep on my side is. about. So I have a song called I sleep. on my side and you sleep with everyone. That's about him. Dude, your voice in person is insane. It's like what? What? Um, but yeah, so I and we weren't. officially dating because I wouldn't. date him because I had the feeling that. I you know, got. He had a girlfriend the. entire time. I get a hey girl DM. Nope.

Yeah. No. Not a hey girl. And she's like, I. think you're talking to my boyfriend. And I was like, your boyfriend? Um and then I can like once I cut things. off with him, I immediately cut things. off with cuz I was like, that is insane. I'm with you every single day. and you have a girlfriend? Like a whole. girlfriend, not even just and they've. been dating for like years. So, I. I I can't. I men. So, that gave me like. Did Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, I was. like, literally never speak to me again.

I know we're not break I know we're not. together, but we're breaking up. Um so, this classic this man sends me. flowers. No. The girl is trying to get. information out of me. Like, I think. you're being crazy. Like, he's not. actually with you. And I'm like, girl, he I'm I'm telling you girl to girl, he. sent me flowers. She was like, no, he. didn't. He would not do that. He just. said he didn't send you flowers. And I. was like, And this guy like I took He met my. family. Not on purpose, but just because. there was a wedding during New Year's. and I needed a date. The classic. Like, wasn't on purpose, but like he.

like accidentally met my whole family. So, it like wasn't just casual. And he. had a whole girlfriend. But the problem is, and I think this is. a learning lesson for all of us, is the. girl that's like, no, I think you're. being crazy, blah blah she's in her hair. in the shower phase where she believes. She's like, he must be telling me the. truth. She's a liar. Like, she clearly. probably figured it out one day. bad and I literally was like, genuinely. run because if he can be that scary to. you Clearly, he's manipulating you. really badly. He's trying to lie to me,

too, but I've already been manipulated. by shower man, my first boyfriend, the junior year guy. I'm like, Girl, the. veteran. I'm like, girl, I'm watching. out for you. You need to run. I think. since I like see her on my For You page. sometime, I think since then she has. moved on. god, you're going to say they're. married. I'm like, it's a classic. It's. a classic. Damn. Um Okay. But yeah, that was a situation. and that was another thing where like. looking back, I was like, he cried to my. friends about liking me so much, I think.

screws were loose. Some sort of manipulation thing. I'm not. sure what's going on there, but Um. that's when you know, like if it's too. early on and he's like sobbing, you're. like, "First of all, why are you crying? Like it's not that deep. We haven't even. said we loved each other and we're also. not even dating yet. So let's reel in. the emotions. What What is this act? It's a And my friends were confused cuz. they were like, "That's really sweet, uh. but we're what's going on?". Right. And then clearly it's all a.

facade to like get you more attached and. like get you more into it and then. meanwhile he has a full-ass [ __ ]. family at home and you're like, "Damn.". That was insane. Okay, so Megan Hey. Did you. date Morgan Wallen? Never exclusively. And goodbye. Insane. Oh my god, thank. you so much. It's been so much fun. And goodbye, everyone. Let's go talk off.

camera. Okay, interesting. Not. exclusively. So you I think it's obvious. and that's why like I do appreciate you. being honest because like I feel like. everyone kind of knows. have so tried to avoid that in every. single interview I've ever done. But. you're here. Um but we're here now and it's time has. passed and all is well, so Okay. Um is. your song Tennessee Orange about him? I. will not say who my songs are about ever. because. just did a little. You Okay. Oh, that's true. Yeah, we'll. never name, see. Okay, fair fair fair fair. Okay, you.

won't confirm. Do you think he has any. songs about you? I have no idea. Lies lies lies. Okay, why did the relationship end? Okay, so it was never a relationship. Okay, I will Here's what I'll tell you. though because I haven't told anyone. this ever. Here we go. Um so him and I. met in 2020. Okay. John Langston actually introduced us. Um and I So I was a senior in college, COVID hadn't happened yet. His Dangerous. album wasn't even out yet. So, we were.

friends for a long time. So, we It's. what, 2024? That was 2020. So, we're. friends for a long time. We were not just friends. And now we're friends. I love that answer. Okay, so you guys had like a little. thing. A little thing, but you weren't. officially dating. Yeah, no, never. officially dating. But as we talked about Megan, those can. be the worst. Yeah, I will say if. anyone's like overly sensitive and will. get their heartbroken and like yeah,

it's it's me. How did you keep something. like that that private? Um it's not that. hard. He's I feel like he's a very. private person. You think? Yeah. So, you kind of just like maneuvered. around. Well, yeah, it was not like. like I said, we weren't exclusively. dating ever. And I think both of our. schedules like we have insane like when. we try to hang out, it's like, okay, we have this one day of the whole month.

where we're both maybe in town and then. someone's got something going on. It's. like that sort of thing. Um. but him and I are friends. I think. that's great. Obviously, you know, I had. to ask. I like I don't want to make you. uncomfortable, but I'm like, come on, Megan, I had to ask. Honestly, I just because he's such a. private person, I it's just feels like. awkward talking about it. I I think that you gave me exactly what. we needed to know. We can move on. Okay, are you single or in you are you in a. relationship right now? I'm so single. How is single life? I love it. I sleep so good.

Like. no nobody's son is stressing me out. Like I I'm in REM sleep every night. You. know what I mean? Um and I feel like all. of my free time is being spent with my. girlfriends. and I can just really like enjoy being. in the moment. I feel like like I said, I'm very sensitive. So, when I do date. someone like if we're having problems or. whatever it may be, like it really does. affect me. Like I'm the someone where. like you can my mood immediately is. affected. So that's why like a song like.

I have a song called "Hell of a Show". and it was like really hard because I. would literally cry on cry before I went. on stage. I would perform and then I. would go cry myself to sleep. And it's. like that was very difficult for me. So. it's I'm way happier single for now at. least. I feel like. everything is so new still. So I'm. enjoying not having to worry about that. part of things. I feel like that was something that I. appreciated when Taylor Swift released. the song "I Can Do It With a Broken. Heart" that like all of the fans for the.

first time were like, "Oh, I didn't even. think about that." Like these musicians. can go on stage and like give so much of. themselves and be just like so. just like happy and performative and. like because you know people are there. to see you and you don't want to like. bring your emotions into it, but it was. so helpful to be like, "Yeah, no, you. guys are also human beings." Like when. you are on stage and you've been crying. like. up until you literally get shoved out. there, are those explain those type of shows to. me. Well, it's one of those things where. in my song "Hell of a Show" I say, "Keep.

it together. I can keep it together for. the room full of people here who love me. better.". Um and it's like for those 90 minutes or. however long I'm on stage, I am like. genuinely happy. And to see like little. girls their light eyes light up and they. have I love the "Girl in the Mirror". shirts on. It's like. it almost makes me crying over a guy. It's like I can't believe that I'm. letting him take away from this moment. Um so I feel like it's tough because.

like those moments right before you go. on stage, you're literally like, "Holy. [ __ ] I was just crying." And like I. want to die right now, but there's like. people there chanting my name and I got. to put it on. Um but like while it's. happening, it's like I'm just grateful. anytime I can be on stage cuz I feel the. love from my fans and it's it's almost. like a reminder of like someone one day. is going to appreciate me and isn't. going to treat me like [ __ ]. Um and will make these moments like they. will be here for these moments and not. ruin them. I love that and I think. you're so right. It's like being in.

front of all of your fans must be just. like a euphoric feeling and it kind of. puts things in perspective of like you. are so talented. You're so incredible. You're so smart. Like you're funny. Like. even sitting with you now I'm like I. feel like we're friends. Like you're a. great time. Like the right person will. come and those type of moments as hard. as they are right before it's like it. puts in perspective like you're going to. be fine. Right. Have you figured out. like if I was to put all of your exes in. a lineup? Like do you have a type? Personality-wise, looks-wise, like what.

are we working with? Um. personality-wise, I love when someone. can match my humor. Yep. I I realized with my last boyfriend that. humor's very important to me. You're like I was pulling a sleeve at. dinner, Alex. Let's put it that way. Um. and yeah, I just. I love humor. That'll get me. That'll. get me real quick. Like what happened. with some of my exes is that like I. would be so mad at them and they would. know that humor's my weakness. So all.

they had to do is make me laugh and then. I'm like. we're so back. You literally think you giggle after. like crying and then you're but we're. like so back. Um so I think humor's number one. I also. realized like I want a guy I realized. that ego like I'm older now too and. Yeah. my last relationship, like real. relationship, I would say was like one. of my first real adult relationships and. I don't I can't deal with any sort of. ego. It's tough. I felt like I wasn't.

being like supported. So that was like a thing like he didn't. want to listen to my music. Um I'm sorry. I didn't know about his. job. Wait. Hold on. So. Hold on. through therapy I'm realizing. that that's an ego thing and I'm like, "Oh, we can't do that.". Hold on. First of all, even you just like. you on TikTok and your acoustics, like I. was literally talking to all the girls. and every girl was like, "Okay, like I. just like wish you would sing for like 2. seconds so I can hear her voice." She's.

You just did it earlier and I'm like, "You have an insane voice." The perks of. dating a [ __ ] musician is being like, "Babe, sing for me." and you get to be. like serenaded and he didn't want to. hear your [ __ ] perfect voice. Well, there was like a time where Yeah, I mean I don't want to get too into it, but what sucks about therapy is that. like when you get into therapy you. realize that the problems are deeper. than you and it's like then you just. feel bad. So, that's kind of Yeah.

Back to my type though, I think I need. funny. I easily get blinded by abs. and height. I've done a lot of dumb [ __ ]. for like 6'5". I love that. I've seen on TikTok it's. like you rank what's most important. Like some girls are super into like the. arms or the back or the eyes, the teeth, you're like, "Abs?" Oh my god, I'm going. to fold. I'm going to fall. Here, you're. literally in a fight, he cheated and he. just like takes off his shirt, you're. like, "We're back.". Um so, yeah, height too, but like. I. I really I think as far as like I'm not.

looking for a relationship, but if I was. to be looking for someone, I think they. would have to be funny, supportive, um. and I think those are like the main two. Well, I think that something that I can. immediately. tell because you're so successful and. you're this like young gorgeous woman is. like I can imagine you're going to need. to find a man that's so secure within. himself because to have someone across. from you and I've had it where like. you're a successful woman, that already.

is intimidating to people even if. they're not dating you. Like people are. going to like talk [ __ ] about you, they're going to find a reason not to. like you because like people get jealous. or they're intimidated, whatever the. angle is. And so for a man to not be. able to be like, "That's my [ __ ]. girl." and like proud of you and instead. like trying to make you feel insecure. and like push you down and like make you. not feel like you're like thriving, that. can get so [ __ ] toxic and can really. impact you. Well, that's how I felt. Anytime I would be like proud of myself, it was like he felt like he needed to. humble me. And like yeah, and and like.

even so I got nominated for some ACM. Awards and I I texted him. This is when. we were like broken up and still trying. to make things work cuz like I said, I. will beat a dead horse till it's. especially dead. Um and. he was like, "Oh my god, that's so. great. Congrats." And then he's like, "Oh my god, I have a crazy day at work.". Like just immediately it immediately. yeah. Not like, "Oh my god, babe, let me take. you out for dinner. We're going to. toast. This is so fun. Like let's.

celebrate tonight." Like And I realized. that that is going to be important to. me, but I also then with [ __ ]. therapy, it's like I do understand that. it would be hard to date me. My personal. life revolves around my work life, which. is not for everyone and I totally. understand that. Like every anytime I. get to hang out with you one-on-one. because we're chilling is because my. career is not in the way, which is. almost never. So. um I feel like that's why dating right. now is just like really hard cuz I don't. want to let up on my career. I feel like.

I'm all in in it right now and I'm so. much enjoying it. And I told my. therapist I was like, "Am I being. crazy?" And she was like, "You're 26. Why would you not be all in in your. career?". Dude, I was also going to say like I. remember feeling like I. was never going to find a guy that could. like. handle what I was doing. And I was the. same way. I'm like, "I'm literally not. stopping. Like I have so much I want to. [ __ ] do. I'm so motivated and I want. to push myself." And then I promise you.

it's once you just like get in that. mindset, the right person will come. along that like you're so good in what. you're doing and you're so not willing. to waver and like have a couple months. where you get swept off your feet and. you're not focused, that person will. come in because no one else will be able. to get in at one point because you're so. locked in yourself and that's when. you're going to find someone that you're. like, "Oh [ __ ] like there he is. cheering me on." And then he will. probably have his own [ __ ] I think it's. important for people and it doesn't mean. career. Like whatever fulfills someone, you have to have your own [ __ ] to feel.

confident in yourself to actually look. at someone like you and be like, "I am. only happy for you. There's no jealousy. There's no like ego issue where I'm. feeling like I have to like trump you.". And that is when you're like, "God. bless." Hold on, therapy. When did you get into therapy? I think. about a year ago. Yeah, and I actually got into therapy. because my producer. my producer's Christian Bush, he's half. of Sugarland, you know. Um so and he was someone that was like, "You need to get a therapist." He kept. saying that to me. I think I would come. in with like crazy ass stories and he'd.

be like, "You need therapist." Great. song, but let's also. we're so happy We love the song, you. need therapy. Um. and he kept saying it and I kept not. doing it and so he contacted my manager. and was like they booked the appointment. for me. So I basically forced me to go. and I think that's the only way I was. going to go though. Interesting. And I. really got into it as like maintenance. because. like I said, I lived like 22, 23 very. normal years of my life and to suddenly.

be. you know, shot up into the spotlight, it. that's why I needed therapy cuz I'm like. I didn't know how to handle It's just. like having everyone talk about you is. like the most terrifying or was the most. terrifying thing ever. Um. and yeah, I mean like all of the. Tennessee Orange interviews were like my. first interviews as an artist. So I was. like scar That's I haven't done like a. proper podcast um since like my career. took off because of that. Because I was. so terrified of interviews because I was.

like that's all they wanted to talk. about and I get it, of course. But I was. like terrified. I think though and I. appreciate you bring that up because. when someone when this happens, anyone, like whatever it is, when you get any. type of like publicity or notoriety, I have a lot of empathy for people. because it's like. there is no playbook that someone hands. you of like this is how to deal with it. And clearly there's no playbook because. we've seen so many stars or comedians or.

musicians or personalities online like. either flop or succeed, but everyone has. a bumpy road at some point because it's. like navigating millions of people. watching you and like now everyone wants. to know like me asking like who you're. dating and what you're doing like. Right. That's odd, but that's also what. comes with it. And so like I think. you're doing an incredible job. Like I. think you seem like you're super. grounded, but I agree I think like. getting into therapy is important for. me. Even I remember being like all these. people are talking about me and like.

whether it was people saying something. that wasn't true about me or saying. something that was true, but like I. wanted to defend myself or I didn't I. didn't know like it's. endless and you kind of don't know how. to handle it and you can do it any way. you want. It's just a dance because most. of the time it isn't going to fully. portray you as a whole human being. It's. like quick little things people see on. the internet. And I can imagine you're. like I have more to give than Tennessee. orange. Like I have So, but that's all. that people cared about in the moment it. probably felt like to you, but it's like. you're growing and you're changing and.

you're learning and like you've got in. [ __ ] incredible music. So. Thanks. Yeah, like since then it's been. better, but it was definitely like. therapy was I just think necessary too. cuz I want to stay grounded. I want to. like have check-ins and be like we need. to remain sane and mentally healthy. That's also though I think how people. last in this industry. Like I have so. many people that come into this house. and. I have had a lot of people that I'm. like, "Oh, I'm shocked. You're.

quite rude and like I didn't expect. that." Or I'm like, "Holy [ __ ] you are. one of the biggest stars and you're the. most lovely person." Like. it. goes a long way to like keep yourself in. check and be like not an ego maniac. And. like how do your parents and your family. feel about all of your success? They. just I mean freak out. I I played a show. in St. Augustine that was like at the. time my biggest headlining show. And. after the show their jaws are just on. the floor. My dad's like crying through. the whole thing. They're just like, "When did this happen?" Like and the.

they're just like like their neighbor. neighbors will come up to them like. where they live in Savannah and like. they're like. my my mom's like, "Oh yeah, that's her. daughter." Like just telling my whole. life story. I'm like, "Oh god, maybe we. should do some Like Mom, PR training. Mom, shut up, Mom. Yeah, but they're definitely like not. used to it, which. I feel like I'm still getting used to. it, too, but they're especially. Not used to it. like what the heck. Even like on this. Like my mom's like, "Tell Alex I said. hi." Oh my god, we need to send her a. selfie after this. We're going to be.

like, "Hi Mom, we're here." Um no, I. think it's amazing. I think you're doing. a great job. I think obviously with. songwriters, too, like when you are. writing about your love life, it's going. to open up questions for people and you. are just going to have to decide like. how much you want to share and how much. you don't want to share. And that's like. you're going to figure it out. Yeah. Okay. Do you typically make the first move or. do you wait for the guy to? I wait for. the guy. Love. Okay. You've never made. the first move? would say I have made the first move. I. would say right now you got to come to.

me. I'm way too busy. I get it. You're. like making efforts. time to like scour I get it. No, I get that. What is your What is. like an immediate turn-off for you? What's your Snapchat? Are people still [ __ ] asking you. that? They are. They are and one guy asked me. a once I said I don't have a Snapchat, he asked again and I was like Babe. I deactivated it when I was 16. Like. leave me alone. No. I feel like guys are.

so shady on Snapchat. That's like a. warning flag also. at what age do we stop? Do we stop? Now. Now. 26 you stop. Yeah. Okay. What is your best and worst quality in a. relationship? Best quality, I would say. I'm very loyal. Worst, I can't cook. Like I'm pretty useless in that. Okay. Megan, that is like [ __ ] fine. Like. some [ __ ] come on here and they're. like, "Oh god, let me tell you." You're. like, "I can't cook.". no. There's probably a worse one. Let me. think.

No, it's okay. If that's it, hype. yourself up. I'm like, yes [ __ ] Order. in a steak dinner, you're fine. Yeah. Okay, that's fine. I'm loyal I think you that's maybe a. question for my ex-boyfriends. We call them right now. What do you What do you think all your. ex-boyfriends would say about you? Most. of my exes, like my proper boyfriends, don't end on good terms. Um. they get blocked. My last one actually. deleted his entire Instagram. What? Why. were people finding him? I'm not sure.

That's none of my business why he did. that, but No. Why did it end on such bad. terms? I think it's one of those things. where. we probably should let it go before it. gets to that point and then it gets to a. point where we're just like. Yep. This last time though. my last relationship I will say was like. a very mature like. once we were on the phone and once it. was over I've never talked to him again. and it that's just like is what it is. Like I he had done something like over. and over that I had asked him to just be.

more conscious of. What? He had a girl. best friend. Um. and okay, I get girl best friends from. childhood because you probably hooked up. in high school and it was really weird. and you're like, "We're never going to. do that again." Okay, that's actually. fair. Fair. This was like two year best girl best. friend? No. And all I asked was if you're going to. if y'all cuz I had felt weird a little. weird about it. And I was just like, "Whenever y'all are. together, just like send me a text, let. me know." Because something had happened. when I was in Australia where I was.

having to track him. It's like a long. thing. So, I took him back after that. Like I'm saying, I got better. I never. got better. I'm such a simp, Alex. I'm a. simp. I LOVE HOW this is full circle. You're like, "CALL MY THERAPIST. CALL MY. [ __ ]. THERAPIST.". Um no, I'm literally lover girl simp. Like one thing about me, I'll give you. 8,000 chances for you to show me that. you're not the one. Um Megan. But anyways, this had to do with a girl. best friend. All I wanted to know, I. somehow was like, "It's fine." Because I. did believe I She was a nice girl. I. just was like, "Can you please just let. me know when you're together?".

Once I found out, once again, he did not. let me know that they were together. And. so, we were perfectly fine. Like we were. doing better. He does that, calls me, and I was like, "Yeah, this is like that. I can't do this anymore. I'm like. Right, cuz you're becoming crazy. It be Yeah, I become crazy. I'm like It. happened when it started in Australia. I. was like, "I'm across the world right. now. It's a different day and I'm. tracking your ass. I don't have time for. this. Like I'm I'm about to go perform. for 25,000 people at this festival and. like I'm worried about your damn. location.". Oh, the South is coming out. I love how.

the accent The accent just goes up when. you're like, "Let me [ __ ] tell you.". I know. Oh, on my location? I'm obsessed. Oh my. god, Megan. No, let me just validate. you. Now I'm sweating for you. I also. got chills though when you're like, "25,000 people and I'm [ __ ] tracking. your ass." Like. it puts it in perspective. Like these. boys these boys. just a girl. No. Dude, that is [ __ ] And let me tell. you what makes me mad is many things.

What the [ __ ] is wrong with you just. being so chill and open being like, "Just let me know when you're hanging. out." That's all you ask. You didn't say. you You're not being controlling like, "You are not allowed to hang out." After. the sixth time I would then be like, "I. don't feel comfortable anymore." But. you're being so chill and open and he. can't do you the decency. So then, naturally, any [ __ ] human being, if. you tell someone to just tell you when. they're doing it and they don't, you're. being shady. So what's happening when. you're hanging out that you don't want. me to know? And like it may have never been shady. But it's like you If you don't have the.

decency I've just asked you to do a very. simple thing for me. And like it would. make And like because you already broke. my trust with the Australia thing, if we. could build this back, you could build it back by letting me. know. But because you Like and I feel. like with therapy how I've grown in that. way, obviously I gave him a million. chances. But once it was over, I was. like, okay, you don't care about me or. my feelings. And like if I'm going to. date someone right now, you got to be. spectacular cuz I'm so busy and this. just isn't working. So honestly ended. amicably.

Yeah. I don't know why he deleted his. Instagram. That's what I was going to say. I love how you keep flip-flopping. You're like, "No, we're friends. We're. friends." You're like, "None of my exes. are our friends." You're like, "I think. I pretend that we're friends, but why. did I block him?" He deleted his. Instagram. like yeah. There was a fire over on that. side of the country, but it's. Valentine's Day. I guess. No, it's totally fine. You know what? I. think it's like you acknowledging all of. this. It's like you're recognizing. patterns and you're seeing it. Half the. people that come in here, sometimes I'm. like, "Wait, you realize that you're. like completely aware of what you're.

doing?" And I think it's awesome that. you're now like, "And I have a standard. now because I'm working my ass off.". Your new album, I just have to say like. it's so incredible to see you put. something out that is like. so personal and also I feel like. everyone, like I said, everyone can. relate. I'm listening to these things. like, "Yes. Oh my god, this has happened. to me before. I appreciate it." What is. the inspiration? Like when you sat down. to even start conceptualizing this. album, what was the inspiration? Literally my personal life. Like every.

single one of these songs is inspired by. my real life. So it was like. I write songs when I feel like I need to. like when I feel like it's literally. therapy for me. I don't know like music. writing songs has saved my life over and. over. Like I cuz I don't know what I. would do with like those emotions. It's. like once I can write it down then it's. just a song. It's like it's almost like. it didn't even happen to me. You know. what I mean? And I don't know. if that's even a healthy way to look at. it. I think it is. It's like you pour it all. out and then you're like and then.

It's like okay, well it can be done and. now that can be used to like heal people. and. that is what it's my story but now it. can also be other people's story and I. think but yeah for this album it's. literally about my life same as all of. my songs. I literally shout out to. everyone who inspired the album. I love. you so so much. We also love you so so much because it's. [ __ ] fire. Okay, the daddy gang is. insane and I feel like a lot of times. I'll ask people like either what is your.

favorite song or what is for you the. most meaningful song and I know that's. hard but then they're going to go stream. it. So what is the most in your opinion. like meaningful song to you on this. album? Meaningful, I would say Heaven by. Noon. Yeah. Can you like. tell us a little bit about that writing. process? Yeah, so Heaven by Noon is a. song about loss and grief and it's like. the feeling of. you're happy that they're not in pain. anymore but you're you selfishly wish.

that they were still with us and um that. song was inspired by my uncle who got. killed on 9/11. He worked at the World. Trade Center and. he worked on the 101st floor and um. that. that song was kind of written with my. aunt in mind. and. I just can't imagine. you know. having that happen to you and it. happened to a family member and I know.

that music is very healing, so I'm happy. that I wrote that song and I'm happy. that it's out in the world and I know I. was only 4 years old when that happened, but the way it's affected my family like. forever and will always affect my. family. Um, I just had never written a song about. loss and I think that it was important. to write and. um, yeah, we all miss my Uncle Dennis, so. I mean, that's so beautiful. I just got. chills cuz I'm thinking about like. everyone has that thing in their life.

and that person that they've lost and I. feel like to have a song that you can. turn on when you're like missing that. person or you're like sometimes like you. want a good cry. You know what I mean? And to be able to turn this on and be. like thinking of that person and it's. and I think that's what's so beautiful. about songwriting and like what you're. doing is like everyone's going to find. their own angle in, but everyone's going. to find an angle in because like that is. a. that is life. That is loss is life. what. I mean? It's like everyone goes through.

it and everyone has their own experience. with it, but like that is so powerful. that you're someone that's now putting. out a piece of work that like people in. a beautiful way are going to cry to and. slowly heal from. I think that's like. incredible. It's amazing. It's literally. amazing. I think like we wrote it in a. very general way. Like obviously you. would never know that that's what the. song is about, but that's why I wanted I. just feel like in all aspects of my life. I turn to music and that's not something. I'd written about yet, so we decided to. for this album. I feel like you just did.

such an incredible job and I feel like. I'm happy I got to meet you because. obviously seeing you online and your. songs it like I it we see so much of. you, but this I [ __ ] love you. I love. you. I'm like I'm like. would have a stroke. Dude, literally. like I but that's so cool to like know. that in college you were like living a. normal life and your whole life changed. and now we're sitting here. Like I feel. like people at home, this is like the. story people [ __ ] love. It's like.

literally anyone watching this right. now, your life could change overnight. And I think that's why like going after. what you love and doing what you love, like don't let anyone [ __ ] make you. feel small, especially little [ __ ]. dick that's like, I don't care about. your [ __ ] awards. Like, well, you. should. And if you don't, bye, [ __ ]. Exactly. Little dick energy. And I know I said this earlier, but like. to even in college, I know like Call Her. Daddy was uh. I was walking around campus being like, "Yeah, block him." Wearing my Unwell hat. and just listening to like bizarre. stories, but to see like the brand that.

you've built, it was like so inspiring. And um yeah, you're incredible. Thank. you so much. No, thank you. I I want last question to. ask. That is actually weird though to. think like we were kind of at that same. point when you're we're all like saying. block him and now growing together. Like. hearing you're in therapy being like, "Okay, I need to change things up." Like. that's what has also been so fun is like. Yeah. growing with the audience and. being like, "For sure, we can be toxic. as [ __ ] and there is no one better at. literally anything.". think you have to be toxic in order to.

heal. Because if you're just healed, like what the [ __ ] What the [ __ ]. Right, like what the. There's a time and place to be healed. And trust me, the toxic will always like. lately be there, but it's not toxic, it's more just like a little bit of the. crazy. are being toxic, you're aware. Sometimes. Sometimes Matt literally looks at me and. he's like, "Alex, you're being like, old, do you. stop it?" I'm like, "Oh, sorry, I just. wanted to feel something for a minute.". Like sometimes the crazy comes out, but. it's controlled crazy. Agreed.

Because of therapy. Okay, last question. For anyone who is getting to know you. today and is becoming a bigger fan, what. do you hope they take away from this. interview and learn about you? I mean, I hope it draws them to my. music. Um. I think that on my album, it feels just. like living I say it's like living as a. 20-something year old, but it's also I. feel like anyone could find something. that they want or like and it's just. about life. And so. I feel like if you're a fan of mine,

hopefully you get to know me better. I. feel like it's hard I try to. let people get to know me, you know, on. the internet and at my shows, but I feel. like this is the first time I've like. sat down after everything is happened. So I feel like this is Yeah, I hope. everyone feels like they know me better. and maybe they find a song they like. like I know you better. I love you even. more and your personality is [ __ ]. amazing. And you said before we started. like talking, you're like, I don't know. if I like my voice. You have a [ __ ]. amazing voice. Shut up. annoying. I I'm not going to even be.

able to listen to this back. It's like. nails on a chalkboard. Trust me, you crushed it. Thank you so. much for coming on. This was like an. honor. I'm so happy we got to meet and. hang out. I love you. I love you. I do.