Kesha: Serve C*nt & Prevail

Kesha. We all grow up thinking fame and fortune. will solve all of our problems. Turns. out that is just not true. Guess what. time it is. >> Wake up [music] in the morning. >> Wake up in the morning. >> in the morning. >> Wake up in the morning. >> Set a record for female artist. >> Timber may be topping the Billboard. charts for yet another week. >> Are you feeling this? I don't want this. dream to end. And the battle between Kesha and her. producer Dr. Luke is heating up. >> her music releases, her publishing, and.

her public image. >> Judge ruled Kesha has to stick with this. contract. >> Despite her claims she was sexually. assaulted. >> [screaming]. >> Who I was. is. dead. Kesha's back in the spotlight and. her career is life-changing. >> Musically, she's at the top of her game. >> YOU DON'T OWN. ME. What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy.

Kesha, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank. you. I'm so excited. I am so excited. You are Grammy-nominated musician. You. have put out truly some of the most. popular songs of all time, and you have. been in the public eye for almost two. decades. You have had some incredibly. high highs, some really low lows, and I. feel like through it all, you have just. been and be continued to become such an. inspiration for women everywhere, and. I'm a fan. So, like Thank you.

>> to be with you today, [laughter]. seriously. >> Really happy to be here, too. Is this. true? I heard you're doing samurai. training. >> Oh, yeah. I just um did a samurai. training, yes. How does one get into. samurai training? Well, well, that is a long story. But, let's just say there's a place. called Samurai Island, and you can go. and like really learn the wisdom of the. samurai. Okay. this gentleman is. 64th generation samurai.

And a huge thing I got out of taking the. samurai class. was you're not supposed to think with. your head. You're not even supposed to. think with your heart. You're actually. supposed to think literally and listen. to your body and your gut. The samurai training comes. as one of the many things I do for. healing. And like my healing journey has. been. mythological, but it's also been so fun. Like it led me to samurai training. That.

makes so much sense cuz I was like. samurai training. Like how did we get. there? But it's actually crazy to even. hear you explain that because I feel. like as women. we can be so disconnected from our body. understandably. So to have you doing. something that is forcing you to be like. in your body, leading with your body. And what's like the end goal of the. samurai training? Well, my end goal is I. actually ended up making out with the. samurai's assistant. But that wasn't meant to be my end goal.

>> [gasps]. >> You're like I want to kill all my. enemies with my samurai sword. You're. like, oh, just get a good makeout. [laughter]. No, I was just The goal in all of it I. think is to. live a joyful life in my body, in my. power, presently, with gratitude and. authenticity. That's the goal of everything I do these. days. As you should. Before the samurai. training, yes, before being a musician, you were focused on school and you.

planned to study religion at Barnard, which is like a top-tier school in the. United States. What do you think you. would be doing right now had you kept. going with that direction? >> Well, it's so interesting because I. actually have been considering going. back to divinity school. You're so [ __ ] interesting. I'm like. but [laughter]. But I have been like flirting with the. idea of going to divinity school. because I'm so fascinated with like the.

structures of humanity and what makes. people do the things that they do and. what do people believe in and like how. to live a beautiful life in in the. light. Like I'm so fascinated with that. I used to have my mom drive me from. church to church and she's like, "Whose. child are you?" Cuz. >> [laughter]. >> and I I just wanted to find like. community. You know, I'm I love. community. I love creating community. I think community is really important. >> Of course. Do you have any like. daily rituals or practices that you.

engage in every day? >> Yes, I do. I wake up and the first thing I do is. listen to a gratitude meditation by Dr. Joe Dispenza. Highly recommend. Then I go outside and I try to be naked. in the sun for 20 minutes. Do you have a. private backyard or what's happening? I. don't know. Do you want to know why? You're like, "Wherever [laughter] I can. get the sun.". Well, that actually like being. comfortable in my nudity is kind of an.

act of resistance too cuz after being a. pop star from 2009 to. current present day, like. I have like almost just started waging a. war against my own body due to things I. read about myself and I just. internalized this like all these. external voices. So, to then be in my. body. enough to just be like. [ __ ] it. I'm going to be naked in my. backyard and I'm going to call my tour. the tits out tour. Like that is also an.

act of resistance. Like I don't hate my. body anymore. I actually love my body and I went to. Italy and I like ate a lot of pasta and. I love it. Like it's so [ __ ] to just. like be. in your body and love it. And it's so hard. It's so hard and the. world does not want you to do that. Isn't it so [ __ ] up though that I feel. like sometimes it takes us. having such horrible [ __ ] happen to you. as a woman where you're pushed to the. point of seeing that you can't win no.

matter what. You have been literally. dragged through the mud in every. direction and then you're like. at some point I think I got to just. decide like I'm not going to have it but. like it's so horrible that we it takes. us to the end of the earth essentially. to be like now I can stand outside in. the sun and [ __ ] naked and be like. Hallelujah. I [ __ ] love my life and. like I don't care if somebody can see. me. Who gives a [ __ ] Who gives a [ __ ]. That's something I wish somebody told. me. Nobody. cares. Nobody cares. Like they might care for.

like a headline but like nobody actually. cares. We all think everyone is so. consumed with what we're doing. They're. not. They don't care. They don't care. I. mean I have been through so many things. and I like was walking around like oh my. god everyone. knows that you can probably Google a. picture of my butt hole. Probably. Like. so many of the things in my life are on. the internet that should not be on the. internet. Don't know how it got there. Don't like that it's there but you could. probably do it. So I'm walking around.

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[gasps]. >> Well, I met I've like met some of the. people that may be my birth father. Okay. But she really wanted a Pisces. So, here I am, triple Pisces. And. um so, I have met some of the people. that might be my birth father, and she. was like, "Who do you look more like?". And I was like, "Mom, no. Stop. Stop it." But so, yeah, that's. how. And can you explain your mother. wanting a Pisces? What are some.

characteristics? Well, the Pisces. supposedly, it's like the last in the. cycle of the astrological signs. So, I'm. like, we're the last I've been told I'm. in my last lifetime multiple times. We're very emotional. We're very in. touch with like. all things spiritual. We're like one. foot. in the ether vibes. So, you believe in. past lives? >> Oh, yeah. I have a song called Past. Lives. >> What do you think you were doing back.

then? I think I was burned at the stake. I definitely was a man, and. I like have This is like a delusion. that's helped me in a lot of ways, but I. like to think that I am the. reincarnation of Athena. So, As you should. You know what? Whatever works. You're like, you also. can just decide what your past lives. were. >> [laughter]. >> Whatever you think is like the cuntiest. thing, go for it. That is who you. [ __ ] were in your past life, [ __ ].

Okay, so you weren't necessarily raised. by any male figures in your life. What. did your mom. teach you by being kind of this like. single mother role about independence? I. mean, it taught me so much. I'm so. grateful I saw a woman that just did it. all. Like she wrote iconic songs. She. wrote songs for Dolly Parton and Johnny. Cash and like. she's so cool and she. raised three kids all on her own. And.

she also was like really instrumental in. like the positive the the power of. looking at your life positively and. deciding who you want to be and what. you're going to do. She really always. was like. don't say like, oh maybe I'll be a pop. star. She said like, I'm going to be a. pop star. Like this it's like a little. delusional but it also worked. To really believe in yourself.

>> Was she at all hesitant about you. getting into this crazy industry? Um. I think she she always warned me that it. was hard. >> Yeah. But I like literally was yodeling by the. age of three in the backyard. Like she'd. be like, you're so loud. Go yodel in the backyard. And so I'd be. like wandering around the backyard. yodeling. She's like, what is she going to do? Like I knew what I was supposed to do. I. came out of the womb yodeling. Like.

that's. Do you still yodel? I mean. like in Tik Tok the oh oh oh oh oh. is like my weird spooky monster mash. voice version. of a. yodel? Kind of. So So you brought it into your adult. life and [laughter] into your music just. like in a little bit of a different way. than when you were three. Listen, I. don't know. Whatever that is, I did. that. We're not mad about it.

>> [laughter]. >> Um okay, you blew up when you released. the song Tik Tok back in 2009. I need. you to know. I don't know what it was. It was some. type of thing that you could submit a. music video to and then you could try to. win. I made one. Are we going to watch. it? No, no, no. [laughter] I'm like roll. the clip, but I made my dad take my best. friend Kristen and I to New York City. and we made a full Tik Tok music video. I actually think it was kind of good. Spoiler. >> we have to see it. I didn't win. I'm.

I'll pull it up for you after. I yeah, I'm going to send it to you cuz it's. it's not embarrassing cuz I know the. type of person you are. You'd be like. like me and yes, like get it [ __ ]. Brace face, love it. But I was a huge. like I was in it. Like I was there. I. was loving it and I just remember that. era so clearly. So I want to go through. a couple walk down memory lanes with. you. There's some pictures next to your. chair. Reach down and pull them up. Okay, I want you to just. tell me what you feel by looking at. these pictures and what do you remember?

I'm like so happy. about it. I'm really happy about this. I. like. Yes. You know what? [ __ ] yeah. Like I was having fun and I like did not. give one single [ __ ] what anybody. thought. That was Jingle Ball 2009. I also think your makeup and just the. hair and everything the outfits were so. iconic. How did you come up with the.

glitter and the mascara? Oh my gosh. Okay, to be honest with you, I grew up. like seeing my mom be this single parent. and loving. like punk music and rock and roll like. Bowie and Iggy Pop and the Stones and. Alice Cooper. Um so this is like inspired by Alice. Cooper and Bowie. And I just always remember thinking like.

if a boy can do it, why can't I do it? And. Um one of the first albums I listened to. a lot was Licensed to Ill, Beastie Boys. Those produced by Rick Rubin, who I. later got to work with. And like I just. remember really being attracted to. people that were like. okay being like a silly [ __ ] crazy. goose. And I was like I want to be a. silly crazy goose. I don't want to be. like Like I'd go to school and everyone.

like straighten their hair and be like. I don't want to I want to do it purple. And like. I don't know if that maybe. psychologically is because there was. like no man in the house, but like I was. just I wanted to like. be a silly [ __ ] crazy goose. >> thing. Did you keep any of that style still? Like is anything in your closet that. resembles that era? >> I mean there's like I walked in here. with heels and I was like nah. Throw on my [ __ ] Converse. I'm done. with this [ __ ] Okay, next one.

Oh my god. That was my first Grammys. And Justin Bieber. That was like the the. we came out basically in the same. 12-month cycle. And I yeah, I remember like we would. always be at the same Jingle Balls. I. was in. like a radio show in Europe somewhere. And we would always see each other and. he was just like. the heartthrob of all heartthrobs.

>> Yeah. And but I did remember being like so. insecure walking. in this dress and heels. I felt like I. looked like like a baby giraffe that was. just born. Like not in a cute way. No. >> Like in a way where I was going to. topple over on the Grammy stage. >> You look amazing. Thank you. I actually do look amazing. I. just remember being so terrified that. like a lot of when you're like launched. into pop stardom.

It's like so fun, but at least for me it. was terrifying. I don't know if other. Yeah. girls have this experience. >> What were you scared about? I was just like. it was just so intense. >> Mhm. Like it was so intense. I came from like. very very humble beginnings and I was. very young in life and then Nashville. and then like launched into this and. it was just like it was intense. It was. like it goes. you're being seen in such an intense way.

that it's. it it's just kind of intense. >> Yeah, it's like going from that to then. 2010 you're standing you're presenting. an award at the Grammys. >> with the biggest star. >> world. >> And you're like, "Hello." And I'm. walking in heels, which spoiler alert, I. don't [ __ ] with heels, okay? I do it if. I'm on a red carpet so my leg looks nice. from the side. That's the only time I do. it. I'm usually barefoot and naked,

okay? And so then you have to like walk. out on stage in these giant heels. And. those stages are hard to walk on. >> And everyone's like, "We're going to. give your shoes a seven out of 10." I'm. like, "Why? And I can't walk." And like, "It's just stressful." Oh my god. No, you and baby Beebs there it's really. cute. Okay, next. I'm so proud of him by. the way. I saw his I wasn't at. Coachella, but I'm so proud of. what he just did. >> Me too. I just have to say that. >> It was incredible. >> Yeah, I haven't seen him in forever, but. like very proud. Incredible. >> Amazing work. Amazing. Um.

fun. Fun. Highly recommend. This is the show that I just put on last. year. It was my first tour as a free. woman. It's the biggest tour I've ever done, period. And I'm independent, period. Congratulations. >> Thank you. And it was like that felt so. [ __ ] good. Not that you're like even turning around. to be like looking at your past being.

like [ __ ] you all, look what I'm able to. do, but there must have been some. feeling of just like. oh my god, I'm so happy that I've proven. to myself and to the world like I'm. still here, I still [ __ ] got it. Well, it was like after almost 10 years. in a litigation, um. and you just it's, you know, I was like maybe. maybe that's that's what it was. Maybe.

like this part of my life, like that was. awesome and like but maybe that's part. of the past and like I'm so grateful if. I got to live that. Like who gets to say that? And then to. go on this tour, it's going to make me. emotional for real. No, we stopped. Absolutely not. >> You're good. Our makeup. No. It's okay, you can cry, but like the. makeup, you know? Um to be able to like go on stage and.

see like. tens of thousands of people that quite. frankly like. have seen some major ups and major. downs, I still want to show up. and you know, just as like a person to. like feel still. worthy and. lovable. and. um. it like really. did something. for me this tour. I feel like I probably.

got way more emotionally out of this. tour than anybody else, like. I can walk through the world I walk. through the world in a different way. because of all the people that showed up. for me. Um. and I hope that I also like was in. service of them. That was my intention, but I think accidentally everybody that. showed up for this short did like this. incredible act of healing for me. Well, even and I know. we don't need to get into the details.

today, but like even when you say like 9. years Yeah. 9 years of your life almost. a decade of your life you were locked. into a legal battle where you were. fighting for the right for your voice. Yeah. And then to get out of that and to. look out into a crowd and see people. there who are just waiting to see you. again. Like how do you feel when you look back. at that time of your life to then know. the tour eventually came and you did get. free? Well, it was so. interesting I mean.

just to give a little bit of context. I. signed the record deal I was in when I. was 18 years old. I got found when I was. 17 and I signed the record deal at 18. years old. And this record deal signed away the. rights to my voice and likeness in. perpetuity in the universe. Okay. So. things happened. Um. it didn't feel appropriate for me to.

remain. in. the situation I was in. So I did spend 9 years in litigation. fighting for the rights to myself back. And. >> [sighs and gasps]. >> it's just like spiritually and. conceptually such a weird it's like such. a weird concept that somebody else can. own a something that's coming from. inside of my body. Like that's so weird.

and it just never. I never like could understand. it really like spiritually speaking. And. and then to really be fighting for the. rights to. to my own voice and my own. face. and my own. my me to myself. Like what are we. talking about? And for it to go on and on and on and it. was like 9 years is a long time. And.

there was a lot of support. Yeah. And I'm like that support carried me. through like one tweet could carry me. through for months. Like one stranger. in on Twitter that I should not be on. Twitter, but I was and I saw them and. like that would carry me for a really. long time. Like little things would take. me through because. 9 years is a long time. Like. it's a long time. It's a it's a fourth. of my life. It's actually more than a.

fourth of my life. How did you keep. yourself going through that time? Cuz I. also I'm thinking about it like. [clears throat] anyone listening to this. it's even when you put it that way, you're right. It's like it's from in. it's you. So like I'm sure there were so. many moments where you had to think like. what if this is so unjust and like what. if I didn't win? Like what if I Does. that mean I lose myself? Like how did. you like grapple with those emotions as. a human? It was. honestly, it was very.

hard. Like I'm not going to. sugarcoat it. Like I kind of. I feel like I had to just hide because. it was so hard. And I feel like I'm so. synonymous with joy. And I love that. I love bringing people joy. >> [sighs and gasps]. >> But like when I could not show up as. that. for others cuz like I you can only give. away what you have for yourself and I. would try. Like in this litigation, I.

would go out on tour and I would sing. the hit songs and I. I tried, but it was really difficult. It's a really. It was just a really difficult, complicated, really confusing for me. even. Like the emotions were so complicated. >> What do you think your dominant emotion. was at that time? Um. I was so lonely and I was I was so. lonely and how anxious I was and how.

much. fear I had because. we're told to speak up and stand up for. ourselves and say something, you know, and I had and I felt like. why am I I'm getting like punished? Like. my medical records are on the internet. My therapy notes are on the internet. Every text message I've ever sent is on. the internet. Every email I've ever sent. is on the internet. Um.

you know, I went to treatment for an. eating disorder. Those notes that I went. in to try to help save my own life, like. those are on the internet. And I did that because I have nothing to. hide. And. and I now can sit here and talk to you. and realize that that. that's actually. very freeing in a way. So I'm like. It kind of feels like sitting naked in. my backyard, you know, where you're just. like.

it's. it's freedom now, but at the time it was. really like. it felt really just so. bad. >> Hell. >> It's it felt like [ __ ] hell. I also. think this is so relatable for women and. something you just said is like you're. at a place in your life where you are. radiating joy and you're choosing to. live in joy, but the way that women can. be painted as so angry when we try to.

stand up for ourselves. I've written. down a quote you said, "I grew up. thinking women can be all of the things, but the one thing I really cannot be is. an angry woman." Like. what did you think would happen if you. allowed yourself publicly to show your. anger towards this unfair situation? There was like a period right before I. got treatment for my eating disorder. Where Timber was the number one song in. the world. And I was in my bedazzled.

bodysuits, with my dancers, and my wig. And. like. behind the scenes I was not having fun. I was starving myself. And. I like had this moment where I looked in. the mirror. And I told you I grew up on. like punk music. Like Iggy Pop. I have. an Iggy Pop tattoo. Like. And I like looked in the mirror and I'm. like. what have we done? What are we doing? What What are we.

doing? And I canceled the rest of this tour, and I started a band called Yeast. Infection, and I only played dive bars. Kesha, I love you. >> [laughter]. >> I'm pretty sure everyone was like and. she's lost her goddamn mind. And I'm. sitting there thinking like Papa Iggy. Pop would be so proud of me. I'm burning. it down. [ __ ] the man. I just.

you know? And then shortly thereafter, like I got help and treatment and trying. to sort through the emotions and. like to be honest with you, like anger. is so interesting as a woman, isn't it? Like nobody wants to see that. Cuz we're. hysterical and we're crazy and it's like. ugly and. I kind of like I'm down to challenge. that. because I actually think it keeps us.

from being. our most boundaried. and most powerful selves to keep us from. anger because I can only speak for. myself but my anger indicates and I feel. it somatically in my body. I get anger and it means I need to make. a boundary and someone is crossing a. boundary. Every woman's like. You just described that better than I. could have myself. Why are we not allowed to express that.

that dominant emotion right there that. clearly there's something underneath. that you're so right where we're we're. saying. we're screaming for help. Yes. We're. like cuz I'm pretty sure anger is not a. dominant emotion. It is a reaction to. one of the emotions. We're hurt. We're. in pain. We're sad. We're whatever it is. that someone usually made us feel and so. I'm [ __ ] pissed off. >> Yeah. And people are like no no no no. no. It's just anger is just the top. layer. >> ugly. And no one wants to ask what. happened. >> No one. >> No one wants to say, "Well, wait. What. happened? Why are you so angry?" They're.

like, "Girl, that is a bad look on you.". And it's like. Do you want to ask why I'm pissed the. [ __ ] off? Never. Just be quiet. Sit. down. Shut the [ __ ] up. >> Well, I think that like I'm. down. Well, so if I'm going to back it. up, this is like why I love songwriting. is because that is a safe place. to go absolutely buck wild. Like cuz I. always think like where is a safe place. to be really [ __ ] angry? >> Mhm.

Let me tell you where. When you're. screaming a song into a microphone and. all your friends are like, "Oh my god, girl, it sounds great." And they're like. cheering for you. "Oh my god, this is. why I write music." Right. Right. It's a little less like. intense when it's music cuz you're like, "Oh, this is a bop, girl." You're like, "Little did you know, I'm actually. [ __ ] serious when I'm dead. screaming.". >> But like that's the power of music. Girl. Okay, next. Next next one cuz maybe I. don't know what the [ __ ] this relates. to, but.

>> No. >> [laughter]. >> And this is where we're at. And here we are. Um cult leader 101. You. posted this back in January. Wait, Kesha, what's happening. >> here? Well, okay. Let's. What is happening? >> [laughter]. >> So, I'm a Pisces and like statistically. Pisces are great cult leaders. Okay. And. [clears throat]. we were going to Brazil. I haven't been. to Brazil in forever and I was thinking. about how culture, the word culture,

it's like. cult-ure. And then I was with my dancers and they. were like, "You're kind of our cult. leader." And I'm like, "Well, what? Like. what's the cult?" And I. My goal is to kind of create like queer. church. When I was designing my show, I. wanted it to feel like. a pop. church for all people, but specifically. having had gone to church after church. after church in my life, wanting to go.

to divinity school. and being like part of the queer. community and caring very deeply about. the queer community, I wanted. like one of my main goals, the last act. of my show. on this tour. is called queer church because. throughout my whole career, um I would. not. I wouldn't be [ __ ] if it weren't for the. queer community. And. as like a pop star, like.

I owe everything to the queer community. and I want to always make a safe space. for all people. What do you think is the biggest. misconception about you? Oh, [ __ ]. Oh, [ __ ]. >> I don't even like truly, it depends on. what article you read, what era. Mhm. Like. I don't even know. Like that's the. craziest part about having everything in. your life on the internet. Like truly. It almost like depends on who you ask.

>> It depends on. I have no idea. I literally don't know. And part of me is like, do I care? Cuz I'm so [ __ ] solid. >> [laughter]. >> It's so good. I don't give a. No, it's so good. I like spent so much. time girl. After this litigation, I was like. not I was truly so full of fear. Like it. was in my bone marrow.

And I spent so much time and energy. focusing on trying to regulate myself. and regulate my nervous system and heal. And like I am so [ __ ] good with. myself now and that is like a miracle. So, I don't know. I don't know. People. might think oh, I don't even know. You. like and I don't care. I don't I mean. like I'm kind of curious but then it's. kind of like going on Twitter. Like do I. want to know? You like [laughter] what. what yeah yeah yeah like what what are.

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miracle. Do you know. should I say this? I probably should. I don't care. I'm free. Um, I now. mostly celebrate. You know. Except for. when you're in Italy. >> [laughter]. >> Like. I now What did you just say about Italy? I'm. I'm celibate [clears throat]. except for. when I'm in Italy. Okay. Oh, I like. that. It's like by country. Listen,

whatever. Anyways. >> [laughter]. >> You like the Italians. What did I say? Okay. But so now I actually like. masturbate to. uh gratitude meditation. >> You're You're lying to me right now. >> I certainly am not. Kesha? >> [laughter]. [gasps]. >> They're like, "Breathe in. and be grateful.". It's. Don't knock it till you try it.

>> Honestly. >> [laughter]. >> Everyone. Let me just say it, those downloads on. the gratitude ones are going to go way. up. Remember when I said I started every. day with a gratitude meditation? Right. It's been amazing. Literally, when I got. my freedom, I was like, I think. you know, I'm pissed about a lot of. stuff, but one of the things is that. like pleasure. I keep coming back to. pleasure. Like, it is okay as a woman to. feel pleasure in this world.

When things when you go through things, pleasure is not like the number one. neural pathway that your brain always. goes to when you have survived things. >> Yeah. And I had to reprogram that, and I do it. every [ __ ] day, and I'm not even. embarrassed about it. You shouldn't be. You absolutely shouldn't be, and I think. especially as women I relate to like, I. think when we are stressed or we're. going through something traumatic, the. actual last thing that we can think. about is sex and pleasure because our.

bodies are so. frozen. We can't We literally can't feel. our bodies. Like, to lose that part of. yourself and to shut down and then to be. able to now be like, I connect this [ __ ]. with gratitude, [ __ ]. >> Yes. Totally. Wow. >> is why I am celibate is because. I'm calling in a [ __ ] king. Like, it's time for my king. You're. manifesting. My [ __ ] is manifesting with gratitude. that my king is coming, okay?

Because you have to your body has to. align with your reality before it shows. up in your life. >> So like, are there kings in Italy? Like, what's going on over there? Some [ __ ]. kings in Italy. >> [laughter]. >> It's really that different? Kind of love it. Um I I you also kind of. mentioned like. going through this experience of. not feeling right in your body, you. know, being on the world stage, having.

people comment. There's the exploitation. to the nth degree of people feeling like. they are entitled to a woman's body is. so disturbing. And I also think the. impossible standards that we're held to, right? Like be hot, but don't be [ __ ]. Like, you know, be hot, but don't be. fake. Like there's so much that we have. to be like, where's the middle line? Like how have you managed to get kind of. rid of those expectations. cuz like you are so confident now and we. need your wisdom of like how have you. just learned to just be comfortable with.

who you are? Huh. I mean, it's been like. such a journey, right? Um. from the beginning of my career and I, you know, we've talked about this a bit. and it's been very public. Like. people have commented on my body. I. internalize those comments. I make that. the word of God. I try to adjust my body. to somebody else's. like what they want me to be. Um.

I went through a horrible filler phase. God, that sucked. But because I was. like, oh, that's what I should do. And. then I'm like. I actually don't like the way that. looks, but like it's just like this. constant dance with society. on what it does mean to be a woman and. what is acceptable. and like also we're not supposed to age. Like trust me, I don't want to.

But like. I don't know what else to do. Like I So. I just have. I try to have like. cuz my body image can get very. perfectionism-y. That's like what came up when I was, you. know, in. the eating disorder, which has been a. while ago now, so I like. it's interesting to talk about it. because I just really wanted to be. loved.

And um in my healing process since I got. my freedom, I realized like. wanting to be famous. and wanting to be loved, all of that. actually had to come from myself and it. couldn't be. fake self-love. It could not be. performative words from a stage. I had. to sit with myself. and really. like.

treat myself with kindness and grace and. gratitude. And I sat with my leg, I tore. my ACL on stage and I [ __ ] finished. that show and I played another one. Like. I'm so grateful. But I remember Kesha, wasn't it that after you did that. though, the headlines were you were. drunk on stage? Like things like that. make your blood boil because. I don't drink before I go on stage. Girl, I barely drink. Like that's the. one LOL that's probably a huge. misconception. But like I don't want to have to defend.

myself. >> Right. Talk to me a little bit about. that persona that you. built cuz I know everyone builds a form. when you have to have this like public. image, right? I feel like there was this. very like wild child party girl that you. were bringing forth to the world and. people loved it, but like how. intentional was that? I think that that is absolutely a part. of where I was at, you know, I was in my. early 20s and. I think.

people love a headline, we love the. drama, the salacious, we love it. So. it was a version of. a thing I did sometimes just like. everybody at that age and it was fun and. it's funny to talk about. It's also. probably more interesting to write a. song about. a night. a wild night than like. uh. getting a car wash. Like I don't know. Now I'm going to challenge myself. >> Yeah. Go write it. Go write it after.

this. Let's see. >> at the time. it was also. I write many many many songs for a. record. Like I'm talking like a hundred. plus. So. um. let's just say. I wanted to showcase other sides of my. personality with single choices but like. the party thing was working. Right.

>> it became almost like a caricature of. itself which is not to say it was never. like disingenuous. I was having a great. time and having fun and romping around. the world. >> [sighs]. >> But I think the balance of that is um. also who I am which didn't maybe get as. much of a spotlight at the time because. one thing was really working. And how. much do you think that that public. persona influenced. the way people treated you? Well.

I think that there has been a level of. can write off. a talent. because there's auto-tune or it's a. silly song or. it's a pop song or like there's so many. ways to. try to discount kind of like. what I've done but. the cool thing is is that. I'm always like all right.

y'all go write one. Go ahead. Write one. See how easy it is. Like part of I actually truly think. this. We're talking about this earlier. But joy is such an active resistance. A. lot of times in my career, my joy has. been written off. as. something that is not maybe that. impressive because it's kind of silly. It's kind of [ __ ] goofy. It's kind of. just crazy.

But I think to vibrate in the frequency. of like. silly goose [ __ ]. is. actually magical. It is cuz you don't give a [ __ ] And. that though can piss people off. Totally. Babe, but I could have gone to. Barnard, okay? I'm I'm really [ __ ]. smart. And I also can be really fun and. silly. And both things can exist. But. you then refuse you're taking away my. intellect because I'm having fun and I. have an image and I'm leaning in and I'm.

doing all these fun things because. that's what everyone wants. We have to. be able to put them in a box because we. need to be able to fit them into a. structure where we can make sense of it. And guess what, [ __ ] No. How about no? [clears throat] That's. just not how life works with humans. >> I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to. I'm just not going to. Like and trust. me, they're mad at me. Livid. >> They're mad. But I'm not. You're happy. Like no, I'm like a killing it. I just.

sold out MSG. I'm chilling. So like they. tried so hard to make me so sad. No. Can we also talk about this joy cuz. you're right, we were talking about for. the interview and the way. you talk about it. it's so refreshing cuz like I just don't. feel like. as women and especially like if you're. trying to forge a path for yourself and. be successful.

when you're smiling and you're enjoying. your success, no one wants to see that. >> No. >> And it's like really. disorienting to people and I just like. don't know why. I'm like. >> either. I think that. What do I think? I don't know. I think. that when you are. I think we're all mirrors for each. other. >> Mhm. And to some. you could be a massive inspiration.

>> Mhm. And to some you can be a reflection of. what they are not achieving in their. life. Um. I know. I mean, I just know that I feel like I. have been projected upon a lot and kind. of going back to the body stuff, it's. like I tried to shapeshift to make. everybody happy and then at some point. when you do that for literally almost 20. years, you start to be like, I'm going.

to Italy. I'm eating the pasta. >> [gasps]. >> See you guys later. Eat [ __ ] and die, you know? Eat [ __ ] and die. >> [laughter]. >> Everyone. eat [ __ ] and die. >> Well, it's just like What a what? I. can't. Can we talk about these kings in. Italy? Yeah, let's talk about your. dating life. >> Oh god. >> Okay, lol, let's go. Okay, so you're. celebate except for when you're in. Italy. >> Well, I mean, like Mostly. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Unless there's like [laughter] Celibate. was like the goal.

>> Yeah. Progress, not perfection. Got it. >> Are you. single? Um yes. Okay. Very single. >> Okay. Um I'm going to kind of Well, first of all, you have a song called Red. Flag. >> Yeah. >> Where you just like straight up admit to. loving a red flag in a partner. >> is why I've been mostly celibate and I'm. going to remain very single on purpose. because we have worked on this trait of. mine. What were some toxic traits we're.

not into anymore? But maybe in the past we were a little. like, huh. Do I think are hot? >> Yeah. Just like. truly the funnier the story. the hotter. Like. Oh god. Oh god. >> [laughter]. >> I like just I have just dated people I. have no business dating. Just no I can't even call There's like. some stories I really want to tell but I. don't want to call anybody out but like. >> Okay.

one eye. which I think is hot. >> Yeah. He was cool but like the line got drawn. cuz he just. smelled kind of like a Subway sandwich. that had been sitting in the back of. your car for a couple of days and like. honestly you better work but it was just. not a match. It was like a vibe. He's I'm actually secretly a hippy. But like.

there's a line Yeah. for me, you know? Um. Oh god. Okay, wait. Then I'm going to. give you some dating disasters. You tell. me if any of this relates to you. >> Okay, go ahead. Give me the story. What. is the pettiest reason you've ever. gotten dumped? >> [gasps]. >> I've only gotten dumped actually one. time and it's because the guy was dating. I kind of like thought he was probably a. [ __ ] Mhm. And I was like I'm just. going to like test this theory and so I.

went to the eras like after the tour. there was a little party and I was just. like I'm going to pop in, take my. girlfriend, I'm not going to take the. boyfriend, just see how this goes. We. were together for a year and a half. That dude came over the next day, dropped the keys off. and that was that. I was like have you no shame? Like can. you wait like 11 days or something? >> Him being like so angry with you. You're. like tantrum.

I mean over if you're going to do it. over anybody Taylor Swift. >> Honestly fair fair honestly fair fair. fair fair [laughter] honestly I would. have a [ __ ] yeah yeah yeah yeah fair. fair fair But get it together. Okay, what's the time you completely misread. the vibes and you're like. wait no that's this is not how I felt. Oh with a guy? >> Yeah. Misread the vibes. Well, let's just say. most. okay, let's just say.

I had these two athletes. two of them at the same time and they. were like let's hang out and I was like. I can't because I realized I forget. there's a word for this but if I don't. like someone's brain I can't deal with. their. penis penis That's it. I would say. biosexual but I just like I really like. I was excited cuz I got my orgasm back. you know and I was like I want to like.

I'm going to like kind of have a hoe. phase like what's that like? And I can't. No no no. So that's yeah. The athletes. It sounds like a good idea and then you. get there and you're like. hmm [clears throat]. But it was it was like a really cute. flirtation but I just like I misread my. own vibe in thinking that I could have a. hoe phase. I think I like just want a. king. I just want like one I just want to.

masturbate and meditate. Just masturbate. and meditate. >> [laughter]. >> Dude, >> [gasps]. >> okay what is the time you found out you. were potentially the other woman? Oh. Oh. Well, okay. I met this guy. and I was really into his brain. And then we had a little kiki, had a. little make out. So cute. Love. But then. I found out he was polyamorous. Okay.

So it's not really the other woman, but. it's like an open situation. And so. anytime. I'm met with like. I felt very judgmental, you know? I was. like, "Oh, I'm judging. the situation. I'm judging my. part of being in the situation." And. then I had a conversation and like it's. a full-blown life choice. They've been. doing it for a very long time. His partner has a full-blown other.

partner. And so. I was like, "I'm going to give this a. try for a moment." And it turns out it. just like was not for me. You just want. a king to yourself. I think the most. like. uh devotion. Oh my god. Do you know that someone. like. built a pyramid for somebody, didn't. they? I think so. Okay, [laughter] so. >> to go with it. We're going to [ __ ] go with it. >> Fact check. Fact check. Um [clears throat] Who would build.

someone a pyramid? Yeah, in your mind. that's what you want. But like What. would you want someone to build you? Like I want a [ __ ] I want a. [ __ ] cathedral full of cats. and Starburst. I don't know. I just like. want and like a river running through. it. Ooh, and like a weeping willow. next to the dolphins, obviously. Obviously. That's what every woman. wants. You're like, "Clip this. Send.

this. Send this to him in Italy. Get. started.". >> with a manicurist inside of my pyramid. I love. >> Where are the men like this now? >> [laughter]. >> So a pyramid. I I like this. I like this. for you. >> you want built? You know, I've never thought about it, but I don't think anything I could say. would top what you just said. So, I'll. take what she's having. Honestly. >> I'll take the cats and the starburst and. the weeping willow. Um what is the worst. meet the parents interaction you've ever.

had? Oh, wow. I had one in Indiana. I'm not going to. say his name. >> Okay. He knows who he is. He took me to. Indiana and I had only gone on like two. dates and it just ended up being like. I love Indiana, but like this particular. meeting the parents after just a couple. dates was like. wildly awkward and then everyone thinks. because I'm coming home then we're. getting married. And you had two dates. Yeah, but that was my bad. See crazy,

horny. I get horny for crazy. Like if. someone's like, I know let's do this. like. really, it's a bad idea and I'm like. that sounds funny. I do it for fun I do. it for like the book. Wait, let's go to. Indiana and meet your parents. And I'm. like, oh my god. I'm this [ __ ]. This is the beginning of the most epic. love story ever told and then it's going. to end with him building me a pyramid. And it never. >> In Indiana. >> [ __ ] does. That's just why I'm mostly. celibate.

Okay, yeah, no. I think definitely don't. go meet the parents after two dates, right? >> my bad. It was a good story. Um what is the biggest lie you ever. caught someone in? Mm, okay. Okay. There. there was a guy I did for like a long. time. >> Okay. And I don't know. If you ask my. dancers, he may not have a home. Was he living with you? I don't want to answer that question.

>> [laughter]. >> You're like, Alex, shut up. That's not. It's none of your business. That's not. okay? He [laughter] may or may not have. been living with me and we never went to. his place but he always has an excuse to. why we never. >> busy. I was designing my tour and then I was. like. literally hand designing everything and. it was like I'll go see your place when. I have time and then one thing led to. another and then the You never saw the. place. Cuz I don't know if it exists.

>> [clears throat]. >> I don't know. >> [laughter]. [gasps]. >> You know. Yeah. Yep. No, I know. The red flag. thing. It's okay. >> This is why I am. You're so self-aware right now. You're. like, I know. Like at least you. recognize it, you know? Like you'll. always be on guard now. If they never. are like by the third time like want to. come to mine? It has to be that. I have. to like.

>> [laughter]. >> I need I'm just going to. What do we do? Literally. As women like what do we do? You just. try to You prevail, okay? >> Like I think you just like serve [ __ ]. and prevail and like. just close the [ __ ] up and call in. kings. That's what I'm trying That's. like my. >> We're working on it. But sometimes they. don't have homes. And then you should like definitely not. let them move in with you unless you do. a background check first. Yeah, the.

background checks Kesha. I know. Let's get I know. What is the. most rogue first date you've ever been. on? Mhm. >> [laughter]. >> Your face. Mhm. Well, for my birthday someone sent me a. yacht. Not like as a present, but like for me. and. um. like my whole crew, but they weren't. even there. >> Oh. So, it was kind of a first date and. it was my favorite one.

>> [laughter]. >> Cuz he. there. >> [gasps]. >> You're like, send me [ __ ] and don't come. around. You're like, that's actually the. kind of relationship I want. Give me all. the good things, but I don't want to. ever see. >> [laughter]. >> you. Okay? Don't annoy me. You're so. [ __ ] annoying. But send me up, babe. And build the. pyramid. And I'll be in the pyramid alone. >> [laughter]. >> Um okay, what is the weirdest place. you've ever hooked up with someone? Hm. Weirdest.

Let me just take a little walk down. memory lane for a minute. Weirdest place I've ever hooked up with. somebody. Like. I don't know. It's like planes, trains, and automobiles vibes. Like on a bus, in. a bus bathroom, in a bunk on a bus. You're on tour. >> like I'm I'm always on tour, which is. like kind of the thing. So like. at a seedy bathroom at the restaurant.

Love that. I love like nature sex. >> Oh. Ugh. It's the best. Um in like the woods? >> Yeah. Okay. It's the best. >> Really? With like the sticks? Oh, and. the leaves, honey. And the bark, sweetie. >> Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> And the worms. >> whatever, baby. And the mud, honey. You're like, what.

just went in my vagina? Oh, that wasn't. a stick. >> [laughter]. >> No, I'm like, okay, actually, maybe my. favorite sex has been like body paint. Like paint in the woods, Ooh. >> in the grass, but there's paint and. there's a canvas and there's sexiness. happening. I can picture it. I like it. for you. Thank you. >> Um are you the type of person that stays. friends with their ex? I do. Hm. If. like. if you're like a real [ __ ] I'm going to. write a song about you and like it is.

what it is. If you're not If it's just. like not a match, >> Mhm. totally. Yep. I like To me. kind of realized now that I'm like free. and I'm independent and I'm sovereign. and it's this whole energy of like. if you don't like [ __ ] with me, then. love that. But just it's like the guys. that like have. like were using me to get in the. paparazzi pictures or lied to me about. having a home. Like that is like deal. breaker. It's a deal breaker. We got to.

cut it off. >> standards. Um have you ever been cheated. on? I think they know that I'm. a little. crazy. >> [laughter]. >> You feel like they ended it before cuz. they knew. They knew you don't They you don't want. to do that. Like I collect human teeth. Let's talk about that. What's going. [laughter] on? Well, so I've been collecting them for a. while now. Okay. >> And I make art out of them. I have my. cats had to get their little teeth taken. out because they were I don't know, they're little kitty wisdom teeth. I. collect those two. I'm like the tooth.

fairy. And didn't fans like used to send. you their teeth? >> Yeah. No, they still do. And did you ask. for that? >> Yes. What How did How did that come? >> I tweeted it. You said what? Can you send me your teeth? Just like send me your teeth. Good. morning. Hit me up. Love you. And what did you want to do with the. teeth? >> Well, so I make art. I make jewelry. I've made a crown, like a headdress. I. made a belt. >> Wait, the thing you're carrying isn't a.

tooth, right? >> that's my placenta. Wait. What? Where's that? Where did it go? Uh. oh, I lost my placenta on your couch. Oh my god, where is your placenta? You. were holding it? Maybe it went down into. the crevices. We'll get it after. What's. in here somewhere. >> your placenta earlier? Yeah, I brought. it in. So, your placenta supposedly. gives you second sight. >> Mhm. Helps open your third eye. >> Mhm. According to my mother. So, she.

stuck it in the oven, she put it in a. box, and she found it when I was like 21. years old in the basement. >> Wait. She had to like fight for my. placenta. My mom, they tried to take her. my placenta away from her at the. hospital, and she like [ __ ] threw a. conniption fit. And she fought for it. >> She fought for that. So, now I carry it. around. She put it in the oven, just. wrapped it up in a box, stuck it in the. basement, we found it, throw it in the. blender, pop it in a necklace,

work. >> [laughter]. >> Art. Found it. >> Oh, give us a little Show it to the. camera. Okay. That's your placenta, and that's it's in. there? Uh-huh. And do you travel with. that everywhere? Yeah. What does it. bring you? >> Um. I just feel like it's like. I love a good ritual, right? Like I'm a. cult leader. We all saw in the photo. And I just like I love a ritual that. reminds me.

of this like esoteric. world I prefer to live in. Like down. here on Earth, boring. But like. when I go up into like with my spirit. guides and. the whole realm of angels, like that's. where I prefer to be. It's kind of fun. It's like the teeth, it just reminds me. when I have like a little piece of the. people I love. What are you going to. throw Where do they put teeth anyways? What do you throw them? In the toilet?

Yeah, where do you Like when you take. your kids' teeth, tooth fairy's out. there, where do you put them? >> them to Kesha. >> You send them to me, cuz like where else. are you going to put them? In the trash? >> Have you ever gotten anyone that you're. like, "Ooh, I got to throw this one out. It's a little jagged." Oh, I've gotten. crazy ones, and I live for it. I'm. currently trying to like design a coffee. table. In the center, I want to just be. a a bowl of all the teeth. So, for real, if people want to send it to me, this is. actually like art I make out of it.

I live for it. >> You're literally the tooth fairy. >> I know. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by. Depop. I feel like we all have that one. chair in our bedroom that becomes the. I'll deal with it later pile. Well, for. me, >> [laughter and clears throat]. >> that pile has slowly taken over my. entire chair and the whole floor and the. whole room, okay? And there are pieces. in there that I have been meaning to. sell since my 2020 tie-dye sweats era. Yes, I know. Let's not talk about, you. know, also the barrel jeans phase. Guys,

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beautiful person, but. quite frankly, I just didn't see us. growing. together. And I think. to be honest with you, there have been. many people that I've dated that have. felt one way or another about what I do. for a living. And. it's like my fans are the love of my. life. Like they really are. Like. like it's my longest relationship I've. ever had.

And. and we've grown up together. And they've. shown up for me. They stood outside the. [ __ ] courthouse. Like. like. my fans and my music, it's like it's my. life's work. And and I've had. not him so much, but like a little bit. and other relationships that almost like. will neg. because. maybe they.

are I don't know what they feel about. it, but they feel a type of way about. what I do. And I just realized. especially in my freedom and independent. era and like sovereignty that like I. only want a partner again going back to. like really wanting like a partnership. with a can visionary our life together. And I want them to be like, "Baby, be. [ __ ] bigger. Be even more. I want you to eat your healthy omega-3. fatty acids to feed your [ __ ]. gorgeous brain.".

Like that's the partner I want. Like. take your magnesium, you sexy [ __ ]. He just wants you to keep [ __ ]. climbing and taking over instead of. being like a little weiner in the corner. being like you're outshining me or. you're getting too big and you're like. It's so you just can't have someone. holding you back. But I think a lot of. women feel like maybe I am too much. And. I also think what's so admirable about. that decision regardless of the person. I think a lot of people can relate like. when you get engaged I think there's.

such a It's such a feels like it's such. first a beautiful time in your life and. There are a lot of people who recognize. like. Oh my god almost making it more. finalized made me realize maybe this. isn't what I want and there's so much. fear I think of ending it whether like. you already posted on Instagram that. you're engaged so like this is going to. be so embarrassing if we call it off or. people publicly know about it or the. families or whatever like how did you. deal with the. emotional weight of knowing you wanted.

to end something but also knowing. optically like there's so much also that. comes with that type of fallout. I think. that. like since we're. I'll speak for myself. Since I was a. little girl. >> Yeah. I have seen many movies, read many. books, read many stories about how. one of my life's greatest missions is to. find. my soulmate, my missing piece, the.

person that will complete me and really. like give my whole life meaning. And. I realized you know going from being not. free and not sovereign to sovereign and. free. that. I would really like to challenge that. and. and feel whole and complete. on my own. Um. and ending the something with someone is. always difficult especially if you love.

them especially if you've integrated. your life with their family. But, I think kind of going back to the. samurai piece, like your gut is going to. tell you if you are with the right. partner, and my gut. became unavoidable. And I And I had to weigh the option of. honoring myself. or doing something that is It's horrible. to break up with someone you love. It's.

so difficult, and I have so much love. for him and his family. They're. beautiful beautiful people. It just. I just didn't feel like we were growing. in the. in the same direction, and like. I'm wildly ambitious. Um. and he was more comfortable. He was more satisfied, which I'm not. saying that one is better than the. other. I actually sometimes wish I could. just be more satisfied and chill. It. just didn't match. >> It just didn't wasn't a match like. at the end and it was really difficult,

but we're still friends and I have so. much love for him. He's a really good. person. I love that and I think also. just women listening, that's such a good. testament too to like when you deny what. you're feeling in your gut, it's never. going to go away. You can put band-aids. on it. You can ignore it, but like. you're only just prolonging the pain. more and more. And so although sometimes. making a really really hard decision in. that moment can feel like excruciating. and uncomfortable, you're then already in the process of. moving forward with what you know in. your gut you're supposed to do. And the.

more that you avoid it, you're just. going to continue to live a life where. like you're not being authentic and. honest yourself, and that will eat you. alive inside. And it's kind of not fair. to the partner that you're with. They. deserve to be with someone also that is. wholeheartedly in it with them. And so. sometimes it really is the selfless. thing to do as much as it feels selfish. [clears throat] in the moment. >> What's interesting this idea of selfish. versus selfless. >> Mhm. And I think self-care really does.

include honoring yourself and your. highest good because we each have that. over ourselves. So, to try to people. please to remain in relationship with. someone, it is actually quite unfair to both of. you, and you have one life. Like, you. were born into this life with your one. life. And I hope that everyone out there. finds exactly what they want in this. life. Like, you deserve that. And.

and if you go down a road, like, you can. begin again every [ __ ] second of. every day. It is never too late. Like, I am 39. years old, and I just went on the. biggest tour of my life almost 20 years. after my biggest song came out. >> [sighs and gasps]. >> Like, and to get there, my [ __ ] god, was. that a road? It was a difficult road, but I had to honor my truth. I had to.

honor myself. I had to. go through what I went through to get. there. I had to break up with someone I. love. I still love and I'm so grateful. for. I had to have all my [ __ ]. medical records on the internet. I had. to have. the ugly filler phase. Like, I had to. have all these things that were so. intolerably painful at the time, and I. can sit here and talk to you and be so. grateful I went through them because I.

feel so free. And I just I want that for like. everyone. >> Everyone. I want everyone to really feel. in their authenticity and like connected. to their highest version of themselves. I'm so happy for you. Like, everything. you've went through, it that's why I. think so many people love you. Not that. you should have had to go it, but like. you sitting here, I mean. you've new music out, your new single. Origami. Like I want to talk about it. cuz it's like what was the inspiration. behind this song?

>> Yeah. I've a new song coming out called. Origami and it is. I am having a fun time immortalizing. this. reclaiming of my sexuality. Um the past like year and a half, 2. years. I'm reclaiming myself and part of. that is my sexuality and this is a song. that's about, you know, bend me, twist. me. how you want me, baby make me origami.

>> [laughter]. >> In Italy. You know. Just in Italy. Just in Italy. [laughter]. Is there an album that would be. [clears throat] coming with this as. well? >> to figure it out cuz my god, there are a. lot of songs. You said you always do like a hundred. Lots of songs are happening at all. times. >> You're writing. I'm writing all the. time. I mean, my god. So like TBD exactly what form it's going. to be in, but there is a new song that's.

like so [ __ ] and it's really fun and. it's just like celebrating being. in your body and quite frankly like. having so much fun again. in my body at 39 years old. Having gone. through hell and back and I'm having the. best time and I feel like I got to sing. songs about it. Absolutely. You are. going on the Freedom Tour this summer. >> Yes. What can fans expect from that?

Well, so. I kind of was I had all this. my story, my trauma was like trapped in. my body and. I. did a psychedelic assisted therapy. that was really helpful for me and my. anxiety. And I kind of was like, "How can I tell. the story? How can I ever get this all. out of my body?". And my body was like,

"Bitch, you have you have you're playing. the forum. What are you talking about?". It's like, "No, but I can't say it's the. whole parts of the story. Like, I can't. talk about it." And my leg was like, "Put it in the show." So, I tell. basically my life story through my. life's work. And that's why it's the Freedom Tour. Wow. Cuz I go through like. I go through the story in the only way. that I can, through my life's work. And. the goal is.

to create love for myself, love with my. community, and to really walk through this world. um. in like freedom and sovereignty. So beautiful. >> Yeah. And And it's like gay church. Let's go. Let's go. Um it was the first. time I've ever headlined MSG. Congratulations. What did that feel. like? >> Well, first of all, it was sold out. >> Girl. I can't. >> you feel just like chilling in your. dressing room before, hearing everyone.

screaming? >> sends me this massive bouquet of these. beautiful pink roses. Before I go out on stage. >> I have chills all over my body talking. about it. Oh. I know. And my whole family is. there. And it is sold out. Oh my god. >> And I just can't tell you like. feeling cuz. Cassie was in the room when I recorded. the song Tik Tok. Yeah. Oh, so she's been there since day.

one. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Oh, wow. And then everything you guys. have both individually been through. with horrific, unimaginable situations, to then now be on the other side of it. and both be able to be together. I don't. want to speak for you, but like I'm. seeing you like smile and nod and all. that. It's like, "Whoa.". How emotional was that? Oh, like. So, and like she just had a baby.

And. she seems to be doing so well. And I'm. so happy for her. It like feels so good to witness that. And I'm sure she feels the same about. you. I know it was it was just like such a. moment. And it was like one of the most. special nights of my life cuz there's. this like hard curfew at MSG. And if you. go over 1 minute, it's like a very bad. It's you're in big, big trouble. And the. crowd literally. started cheering and like didn't stop.

for I think it was like 10 or 11 minutes. to the point where everyone's freaking. out in my in-ears being like, >> [gasps]. >> "You have to start the next song. You're. going to get. getting tackled off the stage. You're. fired from New York City forever." And I. just was like, "No. This is like I have waited. for this kind of I felt. I was like, "I'm not stopping them. There's no [ __ ] way I sat alone in my.

house. and like truly questioned the point of. living any longer for almost a decade. and I'm going to stop them cheering.". Charge it to the card, baby. >> [laughter]. >> It's worth it. Oh, I can't even imagine. Did you feel in your body in that. moment? I literally. felt like my heart People like say heart.

chakra, whatever it was, I felt my. literal heart. It felt like someone was. tearing the fascial tissue apart and I. literally felt my heart open in a way. that. I don't think I've ever. felt anything like in my entire life and. it was so this is what I was saying to. you earlier like the fans I hope had an. amazing time this summer but I don't. think they're ever going to really be. able to understand what that did for me. Like that night alone. was.

was like a turning point in my life is. one of the greatest nights of my entire. life. I can't even. imagine what's so beautiful about. the industry cuz I know there's so many. much pain obviously that it's brought. you but for you to be able to do the. thing that you love so much and that. you're so passionate about you're so. talented Thank you. and do it and get so. much fulfillment and. healing out of it but then also to. simultaneously be giving such.

happiness also to your fans like you're. being able to do both at the same time. like what a beautiful gift that you're. giving everyone and yourself included. cuz you should put yourself first right. now at this time in your life but the. fact that putting yourself first means. you want to get on that stage and that's. your healing process like I can only. imagine what your fans feel in the crowd. like they must feel that from you. Well. I mean God they were there at the. beginning and we were having fun and. then a. bunch of [ __ ] happened and it was like.

was sad and hard and like now I'm like. now let's celebrate. like. that we also have each other in this. life it might be an unusual form of. community but like that's my community. I've been doing this for a long time. And half of the time again unfortunately. you shouldn't have to go through it but. when you go through harder [ __ ] it. brings you even closer to the people. that you love because you can be like it. even it's it's that much sweeter that we.

get to stand here and say I'm free and. we get to enjoy it that much more. because we felt it almost be taken away. >> Yeah, and. >> Wow. And I do think that's like the art. of writing a book. Okay. >> [clears throat]. >> It's called The Alchemy of Pop. It's going to be ready for a while. Okay. Well, we'll be we'll be waiting. But like [laughter]. it's going to be great, but it's going. to take me a while. >> Yeah. But it's all about alchemizing. your experiences in this life. Anything. that happens to you, like I have found that I can take it and.

I try to alchemize it into something. that can help someone else somehow. And. like to your point, like that's what. I've tried to do with my experiences in. life. I try to put them into a song. It. helps me and then I really hope it helps. other people. >> [sighs]. >> Last two questions. I feel like I could. talk to you for 9 hours. Um. how would you describe this current era. of your life that you are now in and. continuing to like enter into? I think.

I'm just so. for the first time in a long time, I feel so safe. in my body and in the world. And I know that's maybe a crazy thing to. say because the world is crazy. Um. but it's the first time. that I've ever felt this. And so I would. like to. create safe places for people,

whatever that means. Um. so I'm just really open to the universe. I would love the universe to show me. like. what is the best way to do. to to do that for other people. Yeah. Because it was like. yeah, to to feel safe. is everything. And I would love to. to help other people feel safe. So, I'm.

like open to what that means. >> But, that's the I'm in a place where I. feel very grateful to be alive and to. have lived through what I lived through. and to feel safe. And now I would like. to help. pay that forward. Wow. Yeah. For fans who have been with you since. day one, >> Mhm. what message would you want to. leave them with today? Mhm. I literally.

truly though, you're actually the love of my life. Like, I think about all these silly. goose men come and go. My animals, like. I'm so grateful and I'm sorry your. mother has. had lots of phases. >> [laughter]. >> You're like, "Girl, >> for loving me through all of them. >> [laughter and gasps]. >> And I just I'm so I'm so lucky.

I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful. And. I'm just like very I'm just so [ __ ]. grateful. And I want to um. just continue to create safe spaces for. you to come and be like authentically as. [ __ ] weird as you want to be. So, hopefully I'll see you on summer tour. and like be weird. Be so weird. >> [gasps]. >> I feel like I can speak for. everyone when we say like we love you so. much and we are so happy that you're at.

a place where you do feel safe in your. life because you deserve it more than. anything. And I am so happy for you and. your career, all that you've. accomplished. We could have sat here for. hours and talked about every single song. you've ever released, every single tour. you've been on, every single thing. you've accomplished. Like, there's too. much. And it's so crazy like it's still. going and it's still coming. And I'm. just so happy for you. You're such a. beautiful, interesting, intelligent. person and I'm so happy I got to sit.

down with you. Like I never know what to. expect. Like this is why I love my job. I get to sit down and I think I know. from researching, but you're even more. incredible than I could have ever. imagined. So and thank you for your time. cuz I know you haven't done a long-form. interview in a really long time. >> Yeah. Um I don't think I've done it. since I got out of litigation. So thank. you for making me feel safe. It was my. absolute absolute honor. Thank you. >> Well, creating a safe space. allows us to be silly geese. And that is. the goal, honey.

Kesha, thank you for coming to Call Her. Daddy. Thanks for having me. >> [music].