John Mayer (Full Episode)

What is up, Daddy gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. >> John Mayer, welcome to Caller Daddy. >> Thank you, Alex. >> I am so happy you're here, John. I think. we need to tell the Daddy Gang, who are. my listeners, how did we get here? because we went to a little dinner the. other night and I want to kind of go. through what happened at that dinner. because people are probably like, "H, how did you get John Mayer to come on.

your show?". >> There's only one way, which is to find. me personally, have dinner with me, be. cool, and you're actually an incredible. pitchwoman for coming on the show. And I. I didn't really have an intention of. coming on. We had a great dinner, Cassie, David, you and me. And I think. there's something to do with December. where you've all year been yourself, followed your rules, done what you. normally do, don't do what you don't. normally do. And I think somewhere in. the last couple weeks of each year, I go.

like, I want to do something out of. character. >> I'm so happy this is what you're calling. out of character and you get to sit down. with me because I Yeah, I pitched you. like why you should come on the show and. you and I kind of like battled for a. minute. Meanwhile, Kazzy sitting there. like eating her chips, like loving every. second of it, just being so happy that. she was facilitated. It was a debate and. you decided to come on. What I liked. about that meeting at um dinner was that. you are very sure of yourself.

Have you always been that confident? Like what were you like in high school? >> Oh, that's I've had a some degree of. confidence. Mh. Uh, it took that to get. out of my town, to get into the world, to push against the forces of people who. were saying not just not encouraging me, but actively discouraging me from doing. what I ultimately have done. And so, the. quality of that confidence has changed. from like a beat down every door,

push yourself on people as much as you. can all the time to something um, way. more relaxed. So, everyone when they. first start out is way more confident. than they than they need to be because. they don't know how confident they need. to be, right? >> Oh, interesting. >> And so, it was kind of obnoxious when I. was younger. I mean, if you're spending. your whole youth pushing against these. forces of you can't do it, you're crazy, you're going to end up on the street, this is a terrible idea.

That's going to have a hangover effect. on you for a long time where you're. going to still keep pushing. That's. really interesting because I can imagine. like I was why I'm asking about high. school is because I feel like we can. agree that there's such formative years. where peer approval socially is so. important towards the way that you view. yourself. >> How did you get along with people and. how did people treat you? >> I didn't and they didn't. I. >> didn't have a presence. I went to school. to get it over with. And my life began.

at three o'clock in the afternoon when I. came home and played guitar. So, I. didn't dislike anybody and I almost. didn't even need that particular level. of approval. I was kind of invisible. and I just went to go. I didn't really. pay attention in class. It's It's really. hard to explain. And there are people. out there who I think would understand. When you're 13 years old, you got five. years before you can even do anything on. your own. And those are that was the. hardest part of my entire life was from. 13 to getting out of high school because.

you already know what you know and you. have to go through the rest of this kind. of wrote plan that's been set for. everyone. And I remember sitting in. class going like I'm not supposed to be. here, >> right? Like you you're so you're saying. you knew what you wanted to do. You knew. you were going to be a musician. You're. like why am I in social studies? Like. what the [ __ ] am I doing here? Did. people bully you? Like were you the like. dorky musician or No, >> I was bullied a little bit, but I was. always kind of big. I was tall.

>> Okay. >> I remember getting um punched in the arm. for flinching. I don't know if you've if. that's still a thing. This is the most. butch your show has ever been. I'm. talking to talking to you about. >> Christmas special. Were okay. Did you. date in high school? >> I had one girlfriend in high school, but. I didn't really date. I had one. girlfriend in high school. >> What were you like in like a What was. John like in high school dating? probably the best version I ever was of. myself. I would like to think that was. the best version and the next time is.

the best version. I only had one. girlfriend before. everything changed in my life to me. Like. the truest, most innocent, realest, like. sweetest. It was high school. >> Did you ever through your fame wonder if. you should reach back out? I did re I. did reach back out a few times. >> cuz you were looking for what? >> Maybe to bring that part of my life into. the new part of my life.

>> But by that point, she was married and. had kids and I thought that's a separate. chapter or or or that thing in my life. was a separate chapter. I don't have to. talk to people to know that I'm I'm. okay, that we're okay. >> Yeah. >> I think that's telepathic. >> I liked you said that at dinner. Um, just something about like there's. certain people in your life that you. don't need to be in their life anymore. But it's really cool when you have a. mutual understanding, whether it's an. ex, whether it's someone that was your. friend at some point to just be like,

"We don't need to talk to know like. we're good. We don't talk anymore for. whatever reason, but like. >> mutual.". >> Yeah. I mean, there a couple little. outstanding still vibrating things. >> I would love to get to 100% closure. I. don't think that's realistic in anyone's. life. Do you have someone in your life. that it's always going to be incomplete? Yeah, >> I think everyone has a couple of those, but but for the most part, it's been. important for me. >> to move on into my adult years in my. life with the piece of like we're cool.

We don't have to talk. >> Um, okay. So, we're we're about to leave. high school because I'm just kind of. going through the journey of you. Yes. >> You performed at your high school. graduation. >> Yes, I did. >> Were people nice to you then or no? Yeah, that was right around the time. where I started to reveal myself as a. guitar player and I had put I was in a. band and we had written a couple songs. We had written a song for graduation. I. didn't actually graduate at that. ceremony. So, I didn't get enough. credits to graduate. I had to go to. summer school. And so, it was a very.

deep moment to play that song and walk. off the field while the rest of my. friends graduated. And I walked home. >> Okay. But just so everyone knows, >> how bluesy is that? >> 6 years later, you're a Grammy winning artist. >> This part freaks me out. Chronologically. speaking, this part is maybe one of the. only aspects of my life that truly blows. my mind. >> Why? >> Because it's such a short period of time. that felt longer to me.

I was I graduated in 1995. and six years later. >> I had I was playing arenas, >> you know, at that point I was playing. clubs, but I had an album out and that. would end up winning Grammys and that. was six that was six years. >> So, it didn't really [ __ ] matter that. you had to go to summer school. You're. like, I I didn't even need to graduate. And and you know what I always think now. is like there are people who get branded. misfit loser, you know, um um you know,

in some way sort of developmentally. disabled. No, they're not. They they're. on some other track that they have no. school for. You know, >> I love that you're saying that, too, because it goes back to what you said of. like, I was sitting in that class and I. knew I wasn't supposed to be there, but. I had to be there. It's interesting to. hear you say like it's so crazy to me. that six years after I graduate college. I'm winning a Grammy for Your Body is a. Wonderland. >> You were dating someone at the time that. you're writing this iconic song which. >> No, I wasn't. >> You weren't? >> No, that was about my first girlfriend.

>> Wait, >> that was about the feeling which I think. was already sort of nostalgic. I was 21. when I wrote that song and I was. nostalgic for being 16. I thought it was. about a different. >> No, that's that's one of those things. where people just sort of form that. idea. It gets reinforced over the years. No, no, no. I had never met a celebrity. when I wrote that song.

>> And did your high school girlfriend know. you wrote that about her? >> That's a good question. Maybe maybe she. didn't. Maybe she didn't. >> to this day. >> To this day, maybe she didn't. Yeah. So, if you were my high my one and only high. school girlfriend, that was actually. about you. And this happens a lot with. songs, right? So, I've made a rule. I. guess I always had a rule that I would. never tell anyone. what's I don't I don't write songs about. people. I don't write them for people or.

about people. I might use a relationship. that inspires me to write something. So. yeah, even if I was writing a song. because of someone, it's like that goes. away and I'm left with the song. So I'm. not I don't like telling anyone that a. song is about somebody because most of. the time it's not. And it takes people. away from themselves because they're. just visualizing who I'm writing about.

But the songs come out, they mean things. to people. Sometimes people think it's. about one person, other sometimes it. hurts the song. >> Yeah. Sometimes the song doesn't do as. well because people go, "Well, he's just. petty." And I go, "It's got nothing to. do with that." But I'd much rather keep. the sanctity of these songs intact and. have a couple of them kind of burn a. couple of them because people think it's. about one person and it's not because. it's really important. The most. important thing in my life now is are my. songs. >> Yep. And so when I go play songs now,

I'm playing songs that I see people in. the crowd are reliving their life. It. ain't about anyone but the people I'm. singing to. It's now about their college. years. It's about their sick family. member who died. It's about their fight. with cancer and how they beat it. It's. these songs now for people are these way. points in their lives. It's not about. any one person. You know, the first. three three records of my life was just. like proving proving and you should and. then you start hearing people tell you.

uh thank you and your music got me. through a dark time. That's so much. deeper. I mean I definitely think. everyone should have those prove it ears. and enjoy them. >> Yeah. >> Because I definitely did like now do you. see? Now do you see? And I had a lot of. that. >> I had a lot that I had to get out. >> Yeah. when I first started and it was. obnoxious and to them and I get it. >> and I think it explains a lot of younger. people who have just hit the scene who. you're like this person ising obnoxious.

I have a lot of grace for it because I. you never know how hard someone had to. punch to get out of their town or their. family or a rel, you know, and and you. just I think that's where people were. like I got the douchebag title a lot and. I was trying incredibly hard, but I had. been trying incredibly hard since I. first played the guitar to get where I. needed to get. I couldn't get the. message like, "John, they like you just. fine. >> You can calm down.

>> They like you just fine." Yeah, >> you know, >> I really appreciate you explaining it. that way because I I now too have a. different opinion, especially maybe in. the music industry or, you know, actors. and actresses like the way that maybe. people are being perceived online and. the way they're acting probably is. really not who they are. It's they're. trying to elevate to get the attention, to get the approval. And eventually, as. you see people in their careers, and. this is you don't even have to be famous. to have this. You can be doing it at.

your job. You can be doing it socially. You're trying to make a name for. yourself. You're trying to have a. presence. And it probably feels. inauthentic, but you want to be seen. You want to be heard. You want to feel. accepted. And that can lead to you. feeling like, "What? Am I even being. myself right now?" So, I respect that. >> That's Thank you. I mean, that's what. everyone goes through. >> Everyone by the time they grow up have. grace for other people on the way up as. they fight through those things. The. people who are the most vicious are the. people who have yet to ask for grace.

because they don't need it yet. >> Because they still have this view of the. world like they're in total control and. they're going to make all the right. decisions for the rest of their lives. until they don't. >> And and and I feel like that's just. something everyone passes through. >> What do you cherish the most about the. rise of your career? >> Oh, that's a great question. the rise or where I am now? >> I'll tell you, I'll answer both. Okay. The rise is that it was during a really.

cool time. >> Um, I don't think I would have had the. same success I have now if I had begun. three years ago. I think I'd be. trying and trying and trying uh on. social media and trying to get things. out there. I mean, there was just so. fewer people doing things that you. automatically had more people paying. attention. So, I'm really lucky that I. came up when there were just fewer cars. on the road in terms of, you know,

making songs and having people pay. attention to you and being seen. And now. where I am now, >> the greatest thing is that any idea that. I have, I can do. any idea that I have. I feel like if there was a song idea. that I had for any musician in the. world, I'd have a pretty good chance of. them at least listening to it. And. that's really interesting to me. That. that to me is the greatest thing is like.

the songs I already have that I'll take. for the rest of my life, but also any. idea that I have I think there any. musician in the world would want to go. like I want to hear what may has for me. So, I feel like that's the idea that I. could bring anything to life that came. to mind. That's the ultimate for me. >> I'm interested. So, as your rise to. fame, how did your interactions with. women change? >> Oh, that's a that's a good question. And.

I think I saw. the approval of women. as being something that was like each. time somebody. liked what I did, I felt like because of. the way that I was brought up that that. was the only time that was going to. happen. And so. I feel like I was made to believe. growing up that if somebody liked me.

that was pretty much an accident and. that should be capitalized on. And so. I felt very deeply when somebody liked. me very deeply. I think uh look you know the elephant in. the room is that I'm on a show that. caters to women. And I have a couple of. uh name plates on me like Lethario and. Womanizer and stuff and and I think look.

that is what that is. That's the role I. play on the big TV show that I didn't. write. That's fine. Maybe I had a hand. in it or something. But um I think. people would be surprised to know that. it was less me going like you know the. meme of the guy behind the tree. It was. less this and more like this. me. yet. Yeah. You know, because it was it. was always set forth to me that like. >> um that shouldn't happen,

>> right? Like without dissecting into your. childhood, the a woman's approval and attention to. you. Clearly, there was an insecurity. within you that you perk up and would. fight till the end to make sure that. you're getting to. experience that as long as they're. willing to give it to you. And you're. like waiting for someone to give you the. approval and that like breathe breathe. life into you essentially. and you loved. a woman giving you attention or.

validation. >> Uh, most of that is true and it's so. true. It's like I can't even I won't. even flat spin about that after this is. over. I won't even That's some things. are too true for me to get upset about. That's remarkably true what you just. said except it w it was a little less. overt in terms of me being like, "Yeah, keep going. Keep going." Right. it. because I did invest myself I I did. invest myself in relationships.

>> Well, and I think we can also agree and. we talked about this a little bit at. dinner like. >> there's you have perspective now, right? Like we can wrap things into a bow now. It's like oh I see what I was doing in. high school. Why I was so insecure and. then I was looking for the guy's. validation and then like I can now see. what I was doing in the moment. You have. the feelings but you can't put it all. into a box. You now can be like. >> I get it now. I get what I was doing. I. see the interactions I had and now I see. this theme and now I'm able in later in.

my life to be like, whoa, that's why I. did what I did. >> Also known as growing up. >> What a [ __ ] contest. >> Also known as growing up. And like like. I said, like the people who are going to. understand this interview the most are. the people who have had that. >> Either been on the receiving end or the. giving end of that. You know, >> it's the people who haven't had that yet. who will probably have the loudest. reactions because they don't understand. it yet. And we all meet up. >> at the end of this.

>> at the end of these crazy 20s and 30s. We all meet up. And I meet people I. can't remember if they were mad at me or. if I was mad at them because we all meet. up after this craziness and we all go. through our own stuff, you know? We all. meet up at the end and I and we go, "Hey, how you doing?". >> This is a I'm sure a hard question to. answer. What is it like? Try your best. >> Yeah. >> For. almost everyone in the world to know who.

you are. >> Um because I don't really live. exposed to all of it. it. I don't quite feel it and I'm okay. with it because it's linked to something. that I have to do anyway. >> I get to do this thing. If if I'm having. a day where I don't like any of this. stuff, I can pick up a guitar and listen. to myself play and go, "That's why you. do it." So the fact that this is all.

linked. to something that I do objectively well. that I can listen to and I can write a. song, I can play a song, I can play the. guitar. That's what anchors me to all this. stuff. All of this is happening because. I play the guitar, write music, and sing. in a way that people want to pay. attention to. I can't imagine what this. would be like if I didn't have that. grounding element. And as I get older, I. have so much empathy for people who are.

really well known but don't quite have. something to hold on to like a buoy. >> You know, my life gives me this buoy. which is I can write a song, I can play. guitar. It's tough even that way. But. it's not like I'm famous from a thing. that happened to me or a thing I was a. part of that I was no longer a part of. because the person who hired me for the. thing didn't want me anymore. Yeah. >> So, it's very stable. >> I've come to terms with the fact it's.

never going to be another way. >> And most of it now because I don't. really interface with people for. anything other than music. For the most. part, it's like I have manufactured. irrelevance in the parts of my career. that I want to be irrelevant. That is. really scary to do. It's really scary to. come off of that loop when you're in a. news cycle, new cycle, new cycle. to. really go, I wanna I want to shut down. this part, that part, that part, and. that part and feel like you're dying.

inside because those parts are going. away. Now, all I have left is like. people who want to talk to me want to. talk to me about music I make. People. aren't I'm not trending on Twitter just. because I got on a flight. And it was. tough. It was tough to be like, "Yeah, you're gonna play music. you're gonna. play music and you're gonna put it all. into that and not. day trading how people feel about you. >> So, you're saying that you didn't. essentially play the role of the guy in.

Hollywood, the singer, everything didn't. work well that people started like you. said like people started writing. headlines about. >> I didn't deserve the role. >> Why do you think that? >> Cuz it wasn't made for me. I'm the. musician guy who writes songs that are. like kind of hits. And I thought that I. was just through my own manipulation of. the thing was an A-lister. And I was. going to I'm an a I'm an A-list. celebrity. Like, no, you're not. But I. had this moment in my 20s where I. thought, well, this is where I belong. This is where I should be. And. obviously, it wasn't because I didn't.

really handle it very well, you know? I. was like, didn't handle it very well. And so then that all kind of shut down. and I got a chance to start it up again. and I haven't ever been happier in my. life. I'm known for what I do. >> You're kind of essentially alluding to. like you [ __ ] up in your 20s or that's. >> Yeah. late 20s, early 30s. >> Okay. And that kind of set you on a. different course of. >> Yeah. >> I've got to Okay. >> But a more natural course. I'm only.

doing what I should be doing. And and I. think there's a lot of people who are. stuck in that loop of like not being. where they want to be, but not wanting. to be forgotten. >> And it's scary the idea that if you. pulled away, you'd be forgotten. That if. you if you got off Twitter, you'd be. forgotten. That if you didn't throw. yourself into the mix every day, you'd. be forgotten. It's beautiful to be. forgotten in the ways you ultimately. don't want to be known. You know. >> what is an experience that shaped who.

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easier now when you can read other. people's experiences and go, "Oh, okay. go. I mean, having anxiety in mid '9s, late 90s, it's like you think you're. going crazy, you know? And so that to me. gave me so much more depth. >> So much more depth. Those feelings, those those feelings of panic, those. feelings of the walls are closing in. Um, they come with questions. They come. with every question on why why can't I. sleep? What's going on in the universe?

What's going on in my body? turns into. hypochondria. How many is my heart. beating faster? Is my is my throat. closing? Why do I feel my pulse in my. ear? And you're on WebMD looking up. everything. And whatever that is also. makes you super keyed in to yourself in. a way that for me I wrote a lot of a lot. of my music came from wanting answers. after feeling really really lost because. I lost my weight just in my head. Like.

there it got to the point where when I. would have an anxious moment, I'd be. like, "Well, here comes a song." Do you. ever get that? >> Totally. And but I think there's points. where I was worried that. good content sometimes comes at your. lowest. And. it's really hard to describe unless. you're a a creator where you're. wondering if you're self-destructing to. like you're going to write a great sad.

song if you go through a great breakup. I'm going to have an incredible episode. if I break up with my partner for I but. at what cost for you as an individual. outside of your craft and your job is. that extremely detrimental to just your. life? I never, and I can say this with. great confidence, I never tried to. induce an experience just to write a. song ever in my life. Ever. I've never. thought if I do this, I'll get material.

I promise you, I would have absolutely. in those moments as a 20, 21, 22, 23. year old guy traded every song I was. going to write to not have that feeling. No doubt about it. No doubt about I. would have said, "Take all the songs. I'll ever write. Stop this feeling from. happening right now." And for whatever. that feeling was, it just focused. my eyes on the important things. What's.

going on in life? What is That's where. these lyrics come from, you know? That's. where my first. >> three records are from. They're about. managing anxiety. Why Georgia? Why am I [ __ ] here? Am I. living it right? Like why am I here? You. know, there's a song not myself on the. first record. Would you want me? That's. all about having a panic attack in front. of somebody. Suppose I said I, you know,

and you know, would you love me? I don't. remember the lyrics, but like would you. want me when I'm not myself? Like you. ever have a panic attack on a date? >> No. >> Oh man, that's that's how you bond with. someone right there. [laughter]. John, that's how you. >> How do you opt to have a pants go on a. date? >> Well, I mean, they make things you could. take now for that, but. >> I Yeah, I. >> No, >> I want Okay, so I went on a date. I was. I was going on a date in on my my senior. year in high school with like one of the.

prettiest girls. Couldn't believe that. I'd gotten to the point where like this. girl wanted to go to the movies with me. I didn't drive until I was out of high. school, so I was riding shotgun. So, right there, I'm being driven by the. girl I'm going on the date with. >> By the time we got to the movie theater, >> and I was eating like Tums because I had. such bad nervous stomach, this is before. like you figured out benzoazipines. And I was eating Tom's stomach ache. And. before we even got out of the car, I was. like, I have a stomach ache. Can you.

drive me home? And she drove me all the. way home. And I got home. And as soon as. I got home, I was like, "Ah, I'm deeply. uncomfortable in in in a lot of. situations." And so for a really long. time, I would resist. going out with anybody because it would. make me so nervous that my stomach I. would just be it would be terrible. >> This is why I love sitting down with. people because when you think John. Mayor, you can get any woman you want,

right? in in media land. >> You could get any man you wanted. >> Thanks, John. >> I was saying being a famous guy is like. being a hot girl. >> Oh, that's so interesting. >> Being a famous guy is like being a hot. girl. >> Okay. Well, let me bring up my next. question. Okay. >> People have been obsessed with who. you've dated in your career. And if. you're going through like the tabloids. and everything, you it's like John Mayer. is the it guy, right? And recently you. joked that you're America's exboyfriend.

Mhm. >> Why did America break up with you? >> That's That's my way of taking some of. what I think is the air out of a of a. You know, that's like elephant hunting. in the room. You. >> I like I like the statement. >> Yeah. I mean, that's how they see it. Bottom line, I'm one guy living one. life. I don't need 300 million people in. my life to agree that I'm an okay. person. Most people until the dawn of.

the internet needed about eight. I've. got multiples of eight, which makes me a. very happy and lucky human being. >> I only need to meet one more person that. I want to spend the rest of my life. with. So, I do not need to have this. worldwide consensus that I'm an okay. guy. >> What is your type, right? Hot, successful, makes more money than you. >> That's really funny. Well, I mean, every relationship I've ever been in was.

devoted to the idea that this could go. the distance. My entire life, today. included, if you told me that I could. have a great two months with someone, but it would end on the first day of the. third month, I would not be interested. I have always sought potential for. long-term relationship. I know what my mistakes were looking. back. Not worth talking about. We all As. long as you do the accounting, as long. as you do your homework as a human being.

as you stand in the shower and you waste. a little water and you go, "Yeah, I. really meant well, but I did do that.". Or, "Yeah, they meant well, but they did. do that.". >> And you go, wouldn't do that again. I. would approach that a different way. Maybe even from the beginning. Maybe. even from day one, seeing them across. the room. Who knows? As long as you're. aware of what those things are and how. you can apply that to the next. relationship, I I don't see a problem. with any past relationships ending.

badly. >> I agree. >> I just don't I mine are different. because they are well known. >> and I have not had a relationship in a. lot of years. And it's funny how I think. I started to notice like people would. look at pictures of hot dudes on the. internet and be like, "I love this guy.". I'd be like, "That picture is from. 2002.". You know what I mean? And it and it. helps me understand that we tend to hold.

on to the part of someone's history that. we that sort of revealed itself the most. or was the brightest, the most easy to. visualize. And so I still look I'm still. in a lot of people's minds in a good way. doing something I'm not doing anymore. Yeah. >> Whether they're attached to a record or. a tour I was on. They're still want to. share YouTube videos of a tour I did in. 2014 or whatever. And there are still. people. >> who go, "Oh yeah, he's the he's he's the. man [ __ ] or whatever." You know, but.

it's not on each and every person to. update their knowledge of me every year. You know what I But it's like you. haven't updated your Facebook status, so. everyone's looking at your 2009. >> That's actually a brilliant observation. It's like the world creates my Facebook. status. >> But but so here's here's why that's. okay. >> Mhm. >> If somebody gets you a little bit wrong. >> If you said something and someone. recounts it and they get one word wrong. and it makes something sweet sound not. sweet, you're going to jump out and go,

"That is not what I said. Here's how I. said it." You're going to fine-tune that. thing that you're being misunderstood. for. There comes a point where if you're. so misunderstood, it's almost like. they're thinking about a different. person. So the me that most people who. don't know me are thinking about is so. far away from me that I don't actually. feel. I don't actually. feel like disrupted in any way by it. They're talking about a character or a.

thing that's been like an artifact, right? this one little glitch that sort of grew. and became this other thing. I don't. feel the need. And I hope you don't. think this is like me going like, "Let. me set the record straight.". >> No, no, no. I'm I meant, you know, you're just taking us through your. psyche. I. >> being being. misunderstood at this age is nowhere. near as painful as it was being. misunderstood in my 20s. And a lot of. the [ __ ] that I did in my 20s was an. attempt to reset the misunderstanding.

And I made it worse. Someone said to me. years ago, "You're trying to eat the. monster that's trying to eat you.". I've never heard a more true thing said. to me. And I look at other people right. now and I go, Elon Musk, you're trying. to eat the monster that's trying to eat. you. I see it and I have grace for other. people trying to do it. We haven't. learned that retreat is an option. Retreat is an option. I don't know where. this idea of stubborn fight to the death.

stuff came from. you lose everything. >> It's really interesting to hear you talk. about it because what I think we can. also get to and it you don't have to be. famous to have this being misunderstood. There is something inside of all of us. at one point when you start to feel that. it's a really exhausting scary feeling. and you really want to fight to correct. everything. If you if there's a rumor. about you in high school, if you if. something happens at your job and people. see you the certain way, you start to. spiral and then there's that moment.

where all of a sudden after so much. fighting, so much clawing, so much. trying to eat them, right? >> Y. >> you're like at peace with like I don't. give a [ __ ] cuz you're good with. yourself. >> Your reality is stronger than their. ability to distort it. And at first when it's not, it's one of. the most sickening, frightening, painful. things to have your reality distorted. And if you're smart, theoretically, you.

start coming up with a plan to engineer. how to undistort the reality that's been. distorted. And that's the beginning of. the failure because your behavior stops. being natural and starts being what I. did. If you're gonna distort me, I'm. gonna distort me. I lost myself in that. The idea of I'm. going to be more like you think I am as. a way to somehow.

phase cancel what it is. As as if. playing into it would make everyone in. the world who shares my exact thinking. go, "Oh, he can't be that.". >> Right? >> Because he's acting like that. He's in. on it. So that didn't work and that. didn't work and that and it was like I. look back sometimes I go like you could. have retreated and nobody knows how to. retreat because the stakes are so high. >> The stakes are so high. You've got half. of the world going you love it when you. do that and the other half of the world.

going you're losing your mind and you go. well I know one thing can't give up now. and it's like. >> but you could and six months from now. you would be so happy that you did. I. feel especially with social media, you're trying so hard to prove yourself. on this platform that's fake to begin. with and I really feel like it's helpful. to talk through like there is an option. to retreat and you don't have to post. that photo to prove you were at that. place. You don't have to post this photo. and edit it so you look a certain way. even though you don't look like that way.

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>> Yes. >> You're currently single? >> Currently single. >> Looking back at past relationship is. relationships. Is there anything that. you have looked for of something of like. a theme of what you want to work on. within yourself moving forward? >> That's a hot question. I don't know yet. because I haven't gotten I never really. got to the part. of relationship that was the smooth.

sailing part. I have a feeling when I do, I'm going to. have a lot to work on, but I'll be excited to work on it. because it won't be that incredibly. fundamental stuff of like how do we how. do we stay together? You know, like I'm. always. supremely impressed by couples that I. know who are having a hard time but. haven't even considered breaking up. That's hot. Like that to me is the.

hottest. Someone complains about their. girlfriend or their wife and you're and. you're like. you start to allude to them wanting to. go somewhere else and like what are you. talking about? No, I'm not going. anywhere else. We're just having a hard. time. Um. >> I want that. >> And I I have a feeling that um I'm going. to be ready to cop to a little bit of. intellectual. control issues on only on an. intellectual side. Like I can be. I can be I'm trying to be a little more.

heart overhead, >> but I can be a little heady. And I think it's cool to say to someone, this is my thing. This is what I'm going. to work on. And I love the idea of. sharing that with someone and them. saying, "You're doing it again." And you. go, "I'm doing it again. Sorry.". >> What is your dating style like and how. has it evolved? Like what are you like? >> I I don't know. I don't date that that. much. I look at it like this. Dating is. no longer a codified activity for me. It. doesn't exist in any kind of.

it it's it's not patterned anymore. >> I quit drinking like six years ago, so I. don't drink anymore. I don't have the. liquid courage. >> How do you feel about that? How has that. changed your dating life? >> You have to be honest. You have to. express yourself. You have to be really. glaringly honest. Here's who I am. Here's what I like. Here's what makes me. nervous. Here's what I reject as an idea. in relationship. I don't know about,

you know, you have to express your. anxieties. You can't you can't just walk. over them by drinking. You have to be. like, here's what I'm anxious about. And. when someone in life. accommodates your anxiety, that's. bonding, >> right? kind of cutting past the the. surface level [ __ ] and being like, can we connect on a way that feels cozy. and like we know each other past just. like, >> hey, so like. >> that's right. >> Where did you grow up for?

>> Yeah. Where you you're done with giving. the um the free trial. >> Yes. >> There comes a moment where your free. trial runs out. >> How quickly will someone know that. you're into them? >> It takes me a while. It takes me a. while. Uh, I think the way to my heart. now as I get older is I don't know that. I have like five hour dates in me. I. don't have these deep excursions at a. table that go into like this sort of job.

interview vibe. I would rather have. someone I'll be honest with you. I've. thought about this before. I would love. someone to say, "Hey, I'm coming over. your house for an hour and a half. I'm. bringing my laptop. Just need the Wi-Fi. code. I'll be on the couch. I'm not. trying to take up all your space. I have. a really good feeling about you. I don't. want to do the thing where I start to. make you feel claustrophobic because I. really have a good feeling about you. Give me the Wi-Fi code. I'll eat one of.

your yogurts. Talk to me when you want. to talk to me. I'd be like, I wanted to. do that. >> Do you know how many people are going to. DM you and be like, John, can I have the. Wi-Fi code? I'm going to just come over. Maybe I said that just for I mean, but. but I actually think more people would. find love sooner if it was. less intense exposure for shorter. periods of time, but more frequently. >> Does settling down freak you out? >> Nope. >> This is the part that always shocks.

people. They go, "You don't want to get. married?" Of course I want to get. married. I'm just you're not going to. see me go on a. battery of dates with different people. I am a pocket listing. I'm not really on. what is it, the MLS. All the heavy. lifting is done in my learning what I. need to learn. And just in terms of. entering in a relationship, I can't wait. for someone to be mad at me because I. said that I would take the dry cleaning. in and they were going to until I said I.

would, but then I didn't. And if you're. going to tell me that you're going to. take the dry cleaning, you have to do. that because and I would love that. I. would love that because that would. suggest that we're into something deep, meaningful, and secure. >> It goes back to what you said, your. friends. You're like, "Oh, okay. So, you're going to leave." And they're. like, "Fuck no." Like, we're in this. >> Nothing's hotter to me than conflict. resolution.

>> Conflict resolution. I am horny for. conflict resolution. In the middle of an. argument, we're having an argument and I go, "Wait, I do do that. I did do that. I'm sorry. You're right. I didn't Nope. You're. right. I didn't get it. I do do that. I'm sorry. >> What's something that is currently. keeping you up at night? >> What's something that is currently. keeping me up at night?

metaphorically keeping me up at night. >> Yeah. >> Whether I should put out a whole record. as my next release or song at a time, can't tell. Put a record out, you get a. week, comes and goes. Put a song at a. time out and you get repeated. shots, repeated looks at the ball.

Um, >> so why would. >> But I sleep pretty What's that? >> So why wouldn't you do that? Do. something. >> I think I'd probably put a song at a. timeout. I think. >> I feel like that feels. >> I think I think song at a time is right. for this next record. >> Like I would love a record personally so. I can just binge it like a little. Netflix moment. But I get what you're. saying is like you get to kind of. >> Yeah. I'm not on a label anymore and so. that kind of keeps me up at night that. the next thing I do would seem to be. would seem to be I hope it was small. enough that a camera couldn't catch it.

>> You literally go I'm not with a label. anymore. >> Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That was badly. [laughter] timed. That was badly timed. >> I'm not with the label anymore. [laughter]. Can I also get a nail file so I can Can. I get a nail file? Say I'm not with the. label anymore. F. No, sorry. I'm deeply. concerned about um anything being on. this dark sweater. >> Oh, looking good. >> Thank you. Um being not being on a label. feels a little bit like the next thing I. do I have to prove myself.

>> Can you explain what are how is your um. writing going? Like you write. everything. >> I write everything. I mean, that part's. really fun looking back on it to have. 100% ownership of the songs I've. written, but it's I mean, it's hugely. time consuming. Yeah, >> hugely timeconuming. And as you get. older, time gets more valuable, which. makes. >> this, you know, this deep diving that I do. feel a little harder because. >> no matter how old you get, this stuff.

still takes a year to write. >> Yeah. You know, when you're one guy and. you want to sound like you're five guys, you've got to be. yourself five different ways. And you. can't do that all in one day. So, the. way you make music that sounds. >> really complex is to hit it repeatedly. on different days with different. mindsets, >> which takes a very long time. Very long. time. You write a whole song and you'll. go, "Oh, I only needed that one verse,

which is actually the chorus to this. thing." and that dies and then this. moves over to here. And I would never do. it any other way. I'd rather not put a. record out than fall off in that way. >> And when you're saying this, like are do. you go to a recording studio? >> I go to a recording studio every day, 9. to5. I have a job. Without it, I would. fall apart. >> How many people are in that studio with. you? >> One or two. >> Wow. >> It's just me and an engineer and an. assistant. Sometimes guitar tech comes. in and out. [sighs].

And I go home, I think about what I did. that day, how I can make it better. I'm. always writing. I bring a new thing in. Is this a thing? No. Is this a thing? Yes. Actually, no. Is this a thing? Yes. Actually, hell yes. They're all. different. >> experiences. And when you win, you go. home feeling like a god. Mhm. >> Did anyone see what I just brought to. life today? I cannot believe I still.

have it. I still have it. This is. incredible. This is incredible. And then. you have to go write another one. You go. write another one and you're stuck in. the same slog that every other song was. And you go, I'm garbage. I don't have it. anymore. I'm out. I'm done. And you'll. find another one. I'm on top of the. world. Sometimes I'll write a song and. it'll be really good and I'll go, just. don't write another one for two or three. days. just relax because you're going to. only be as happy as the last thing that. frustrated you, >> right? >> You know, >> what is it like? What does it feel like. to be on stage performing in front of.

thousands and thousands of people? >> It's its own dimension. >> It's its own dimension. I will go on. record as saying. I'm really different than most musicians. in that I don't. And I'm going to have. to finish this thought because it's. going to sound a little scary if I if I. don't. I don't feed off the energy of. the crowd. I It is not a drug to me. You. hear people say when the lights go down, you hear that noise. It's like comes in.

me like a drug. And I know that's how. most people feel. That's not how I feel. Every night before I go on stage, I go, "Okay, all right. Here we go." Because. I'm a little nervous to do that. Not. that I don't think I'm going to be any. good at it, but just the act of it is. foreign. And then I'll get on stage. Okay. All right. And then somewhere in. the middle of the first song, I'm gone. I'm gone. Having the time of my life. The one thing people don't understand. about that job,

>> the entire time I'm up there, I am. worried. that they're not having as good a time. as I could give them. >> Not worried to the point where it's. unpleasant, but it is a constant. consideration. Do they want this song? Or do they want a different song? Are. they waiting for this song to be over or. do they want the next am I playing like. if if I had to make a set list right. now, I'd hate it because I have so much. music from so many different areas of. music that I don't know what anybody's.

exactly wants. So I have to start. writing a set list that would disappoint. people equally and satisfy them equally. And so I only want people to go that was. great. I only want them to be happy. So, I spend a lot of time while I'm playing. going like, "Uh, they want this one.". And the answer is always, "Yeah, man. They want those songs." But while I'm. playing, it's a very strange mix of like. hyper confidence and like the person I. really am, which is like, I hope you. like,

>> as I'm like ascending through through. through the cosmos playing guitar, I'm. like, I don't know if you like this one. or not, but I hope you do. >> It is the holidays. This is a holiday. special. I've never done this before. Are you a New Year's resolution kind of. guy? >> Vaguely. I don't um I also think like. I've done well enough in my life that I. don't have to like overhaul everything. as I as I go through. [laughter] Yeah. [clears throat] I' I'm a New Year's. resolution guy. Um are you asking me.

what that might be? >> Mhm. >> Do you have one? >> No, not yet. I'm going to come up with. that on vacation. This is part maybe of. the New Year's resolution, which is to. just. do things that are a little. uncharacteristic, what you find. uncharacteristic every once in a while. And so this is really me going like, okay, this is out of character, and. that's okay. I know it's out of. character. It's going to be okay. If I. say a thing that the news cycle picks up.

and gives me a headache for two or three. days, I know I'm going to be okay. So. there might actually be something that. exists that I didn't see coming that's. really nice for people to go, "Oh, I. never really heard him talk in long. form, you know." So. >> we're kicking off your New Year's. resolution with you coming on Caller. Daddy. Yeah. >> Okay. You're going to kill me. >> Okay. >> I begged you. to [laughter].

>> This is what Okay. >> I begged John. >> Yeah. I there I know there's a guitar. here on the. >> to bring his guitar. >> Yes. >> More because you know I love the Daddy. Gang. Everyone listening, watching, I. love you. Selfishly, I need you to play. just a couple things. >> I get it. You want to watch You want to. watch me do the thing I just talked. about for an hour. >> Yes. Okay. >> Get the guitar. Let's go. Here we go. >> Call Her Daddy is brought to you by. [music] T-Mobile. Okay. Tell me why the.

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It's not the storm before the call. This is the deep and dying breath of. this love that we've been working on and. on. Can't seem to hold you like a water. [music]. So I can hold you [singing] in my arms. Nobody's going to come to save us. We. pull too many false alarms. We're going down. and you can see it too. [music].

We're going down. and you know [singing] that we're. doomed, my dear. We slow dancing in. [music and singing] a burning moon. Yeah. [music]. I was the one you always dreamed of. You. were the one I tried to draw.

How dare you say it's nothing to me. Baby, you're the only light I ever saw. I make the most of all the sadness. You. [music] know you be a [ __ ] because you. can. You try to [music and singing] hit me. just to hurt me so you leave me feeling. dirty cuz you can't understand. We're going down. and you can see it soon. We're going.

down. [singing]. and you know that we're doomed. My dear, we're slow dancing in a burning. room. Oh, [singing and music] go cry.

Why don't you. [music]. go cry [singing] about it? Why don't you. Yeah. Yeah. [music]. Oh, go cry about it. Go cry about it. Go. cry about it now. Oh, my [music and singing] dear. We. We're slow dancing in a burning room. [music] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. Not in.

Don't [music] you think we [singing]. ought to know by now? Don't you think we. should have learned somehow? Don't you think we ought to know by now? By now. Don't you think we should learn. somehow? I don't want to [singing] burn. I don't. want to burn. [music]. down. My dear, we were slow dancing in a. burning room.

>> Thank you very much. >> Wow. I I have no words. >> Thank you. It's not like there's like. this guitar solo stuff that I do in the. song, but on an acoustic I just have to. be like, >> "No, [music] it's fine.". >> Wait, can you sing that line in Georgia?

I am driving up 85 in the kind of. morning [singing] that lasts all. afternoon. I'm just stuck inside the gloomy. >> Give me another. Do you know who says? >> I think I've heard it. >> It goes. Who says I can't [music] get. stone? Turn off the lights and the. telephone. in my house alone. Who says I can't get.

stone? Well, who says I can't [music] take time. and meet all the girls in the county. line? Wait on fate to send a Oh, I did. it wrong. >> It's okay. >> Don't you see the cheat of of having. >> a guitar? Yeah. >> You know, >> do you do this before you have sex with. someone? No, I I do it after sometimes. No, you should never play guitar to have. sex with someone, but a little naked. guitar playing after is very memorable. with a little gut hanging over,

>> sitting on the end of the bed, little. gut hanging over, you know. It's nice. It's nice. >> I don't think anyone is staring at your. gut, John. >> I like the way people look when they. fold all up all weird when they when. they sit up. No matter who you are, you. look weird when you sit up. And it's. cute. You know what I mean? >> You look great right now. >> You sit, you know, I have my shirt on, but people, everyone, no matter who you. are, you sit up. You're like, >> "Of course, >> that's great. >> We're humans. We have skin.". >> Yeah. And after you're all done, everyone just looks sort of like dopey. in a cool way. >> Okay.

>> So, yeah. This is actually when I came. up with um I came up with Who Says I. Can't Kiss Stone. I think I was in bed a. little stoned on a bed and it was after. having some some fun. And that's when an. acoustic guitar's great. It's so lame to. do it before. >> So, you're telling me that a special. someone got to watch you create a line? >> I think so. >> In pro. Damn. Can you sing daughters? >> Yes, I can sing daughters. Uh, and.

daughters, I think. >> it might have been on this guitar. I. wrote that in 2003. I was in New Zealand. or Australia and I was in the shower. when I came up with it and got out of. the shower naked and skipped the next. thing I had to do which was a radio. interview. I was like I can't do the. radio interview. I have to write this. song because it it was the cyclical as. soon as I broke because you know it's. like fathers be good to your daughters.

will love like you do you know that was. interest and then when I came up with. the circle of girls become lovers who. turn into mothers and then I came up. with so mothers be good to your. daughters too that whole swirl. I was. like, that's something like the the. geometry of that. >> It seems like a lot of your songwriting. is happening when you're naked. >> because a lot of things Yes. Yes. In the. shower a lot. I want to put a microphone.

in the shower, but what I like about. daughters is that for all the tracks. people use for songs and I love songs. with a lot of tracks, but this is one of. those songs where the whole song is on. the guitar. This is this is the whole. song of Daughter. [music]. That's the song. It's like pressing play on except for. the shaker. I [music and singing]. know a girl.

She puts the color inside of my world. [music]. But she's. just like a maze. where all of the walls are continually. change. And I've done all I can to stand on the. [singing] steps with my heart in my. hands.

Now I'm starting to see that maybe it's. got nothing to do with me. [singing]. Fathers, be good to your daughters. Daughters will love like you [music] do. Girls become [singing] lovers who turn.

into mothers. So, mothers be good to your daughter, [singing]. [music] too. Oh, yeah. Now, the thing that people got wrong. about that song was that I'm not really. talking too far. I'm not a 24 year old. guy going like, "Hey, older men." It was. um it's about the frustration of wanting. to have a relationship with someone who. can't because of upbringing. >> So, if you've ever met someone, you're. like, "Oh, I can't I can't fix this.

particular. >> part of your operating system." And then. you're so desperate because you wish you. could have that person that it really is. a leap of logic to say you're so upset. that you're going like stop. You know. what I'm saying? Like I wanted this girl. so badly to be to be able to receive my. love. Whose ass do I have to kick? >> And I think it got read. >> That's what happens when you work. metaphorically is people misunderstand. it a lot. And so I think people thought. that I was just like, well, I'm 24. Let.

me tell dads how to raise their. daughters. But it's like a big like. first dance wedding song. And I think it. works both ways. And as I get older, it. works a little easier as both ways. I. just didn't think a 20. It didn't make. sense to some people at a 24. >> Wait, now I I didn't get that obviously. And now I completely get it where it's. like, oh, you're kind of being like, hey, I love this girl so much, but she's. a little [ __ ] up because her dad did. or the mom. >> Yeah. It's it's this idea that it's a. little selfish, you know? >> Yeah. like, hey, I kind of I kind of.

wanted to love this person, [ __ ]. >> right? >> You know, it it doesn't make it it's. emotional. It's like it sounds logical, but it's mostly emotional. >> What is the one? Okay, I'm going to. forget the name because it's not. >> No, give me key words. It's fine. >> Um um not broken heart, but it's like. not dancing with a broken heart. >> Dreaming with a broken heart. >> Dreaming with a broken heart. >> Such a good one. >> It's on the piano, but. It's weird to do on the guitar. >> Sounds exactly the same.

>> It's up there, but it's like. >> when you're dreaming, >> it's like I have to really sing it. Waking up is the hardest part. >> I figured out how to sing it. Now. >> you roll [singing] out of bed and down. on your knees. And for a moment you can hardly breathe,

wondering [singing] was [music] she. really here? Is she standing. in my room? No, she's not [singing] here. cuz she's [music] gone. Gone. Gone. [singing] Gone. Gone. [music].

When you're dreaming with a broken. heart, [singing]. the giving up is the hardest part. Isn't. that what [music] it is? >> I think so. >> She takes you in with a crying eyes. Is. it given? I don't remember. something. [music]. >> And all at once you start to uh that is. that the same lyrics as the.

>> I don't know. >> Yeah, that's right. All at once you. start to say goodbye, >> wondering would you say my love? [music]. >> And will you wake up by my side? >> No, she won't cuz she's [music] gone. [singing] Gone. gone, gone. And it's. like, [whistles]. how about being old enough now that I. can't remember some of those songs?

>> Me picturing myself driving home from a. break. I'm like, I'm like, John, >> right? Do I [music and singing] have to. fall asleep with roses in my hand? That's right. Do I have to fall asleep with roses in. my hand? >> [music]. >> Yeah. Then it's a way up. Do I have to. fall asleep with roses in my roses. [singing]. in my hand? And would you get them if I.

did? No, you won't. Because you're gone. Gone. Gone. Gone. Gone. Right. And then it goes the verse one. more time.

When you're dreaming with a broken. heart, the waking up is the hardest part. I haven't heard that song in a while. That song got me through. >> so much heartbreak. >> Yeah, I I did. I I woke up one day. I. was making Continuum. I woke up and I. had had a dream about someone. and I had a crush on them the whole rest.

of the day because I had had a dream. about them. Do you still have dreams. where you wake up and you loved someone. and now you have a crush and you're all. emotional? >> Oh, yeah. You're thinking about them. >> It's the best feeling in the world as. you get older. But I went to the studio. and they were working on something else. and I went and sat in this big reverb. chamber and closed the door and I was. like, I've got to work on this song. And. that's all about. the pain of having a dream about someone. that you don't know but have a crush on. or that you know and have a crush on. For me, I didn't really know this person. but just had a crush on them. I'll never. say who. Uh because it's random. It's.

very random. It's not [gasps]. >> Yeah. Waking up is the hardest part. Wow. >> Yeah. cuz you're like, "Oh, >> John, I want to I'm going to speak for. the masses that you just made a lot of. people's holidays.". >> Oh, cool. >> It's truly like it's so [ __ ] cool to. see. Uhhuh. Oh, I mean, >> keep talking. >> I Yeah, this is a good way to end the.

show. I'm really happy that you came on. the show. We got deep. We had fun. We're friends. now, which is fun. I have a new friend. Thank you for sharing your location with. me. Kazzy was like, he does that. Yeah, I'm excited. Um, no, you brought out a. side of yourself that I really. appreciate you sharing because it is. very cool to see someone that is so huge. in their own right, but to get to sit. with you and hear just a little bit of.

the personal side of you makes this even. cooler. Thank you. Thank you for um. being kind to me, good to me, and making. me feel comfortable. I'm now a fan of. the show. >> Um I if you if I don't know if there's. an initiation into the Daddy Gang, but I. will do whatever it takes. >> I think you have to look into the camera. and just say, "Hi, Daddy Gang.". >> Hi, DADDY GANG. >> WOO! JOHN MAYER, thank you so much for. coming on Caller Daddy. >> Thank you for having me. That was a. pleasure. So much fun. Have yourself.

a merry little Christmas. Let your heart be light. From now on, our troubles [singing] will be out of. sight. and have yourself. a merry. little Christmas now.

>> John [ __ ] mayor. >> Thank you very much. You might have to. edit that one out. I didn't nail that. bridge. >> [music].