Jessi Draper: Blackmail, Orgies & Escorts

Hey guys, I just wanted to give some. context before you watch the interview. of when this episode was recorded. It is. currently Friday, March 20th in the. early afternoon and so much is happening. with Secret Lives. So if any news breaks. over the weekend, we are not avoiding. the topic. It's just we already recorded. the episode and we weren't privy to that. information. So enjoy the episode. What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call.

Her Daddy. Jessie Draper, welcome to Call Her. Daddy. Thank you. It has been such a. crazy time for The Secret Lives of. Mormon Wives right now. Obviously, there. have been some. really traumatic headlines. And to be. clear, you were booked to come on Call. Her Daddy before any of the Taylor. Frankie Paul news broke. Originally, the. plan was to talk about your own journey. and we were going to do that today. But.

we do need to acknowledge what's going. on right now with your costars, Taylor. and Dakota. So last week, a recent domestic violence. report from February came to light. And. as that news was breaking, then. a disturbing video from a 2023. altercation between Taylor and Dakota. was released. Yeah. And then 2 hours later, Taylor's season. of The Bachelor.

was canceled. The footage is. really hard to watch, especially because. there is a child involved. I imagine. this was really upsetting for all of the. cast. Prior to the release, did you know. this video existed? I did. Um obviously, back in 2023, we knew what had happened. and we knew there was a video, but like. we never saw it. It was like the police. had had it and they talked about it and. we all just were like, "Okay." I don't.

like to judge someone in their darkest. moment, you know? Like, I don't want to. judge the person, I'll judge the. mistake. And Taylor really has made a. lot of changes and that's what's so hard. for me is like, this is my real friend. and she does have a really good heart. and I love her so much. Um. seeing that video is like so hard. because it's just there's so much pain. underneath the surface for Taylor and I. tell her this all the time that um. it's not who Taylor is. She got caught. in a really bad cycle and um. just seeing that video and yes, the. child being involved is awful and.

everyone involved like it's really hard. Um but Taylor's such a good person and. she's made some mistakes and so is. Dakota and I'm not saying any of it's. right, but I know Taylor as a person and. it's so easy to speculate about these. people on a reality show. I think when. you watch it like we're characters, we're not real people, but this is our. real lives and I've seen Taylor in her. darkest moments, holding her, crying. Like, I've I've been there for her, so I. know what goes on behind the scenes and. I just I want this to be maybe a wake-up. call for them and let's get them help.

healthy and happy and move forward and I. believe people can come back from things. like this and I just want the kids to be. safe and happy and healthy. That's all I. really want for them right now. I'm. curious because like. now seeing the footage, like you said, like you knew there was something and. and people had read the reports and. obviously they came back from it, but. seeing it, has it made you re-evaluate. the manner in which this relationship. and everything has been handled to date. with the two of them?

>> Yeah, I mean, we all knew it was a toxic. cycle. Don't get me wrong. Like, you saw. her in season 4 and how she was dealing. with that and us kind of being like, "Taylor, what are you doing?" But no, no. one knew the extent. And Taylor herself. has has said to us like, "I didn't want. to tell anyone the extent." And I think. anyone in that situation knows that like. it's so easy just to be like, "Everything's fine." Like, I've been. there, too. So, yeah, none of us really. knew the extent and now finding out all. these details, um it's been hard for sure. How is this. impacting the group as a whole right. now? So, me and the girls, um we did.

decide to stop filming when we found. this out because we were starting to. hear things a little bit before it. leaked and we just didn't want to be. filming and say the wrong thing on. camera not knowing the full story yet. And we didn't want to like have to. process all this information for the. first time and then also be speaking. about it, you know? So, we just thought. like for everyone's mental health, let's. take a beat and let's not film right. now. And that's probably the best thing. for everyone in this situation. Yeah, can you also clarify like I I know that. we read that a decision at first was.

made by executives to pause filming the. upcoming season of Secret Lives that. you're in the middle of filming. And then yes, the cast did. So, like. what led to the first pausing? So, we. had a first pause that was from. production. And I think I have to say. like everyone before I went on reality. TV was like be careful producers are. slimy. That may be the case for some. people. I genuinely love my production. like they're family. Love them. So, production network they have been. incredible to us and they did they. paused things for a minute cuz I think. they were like woah like we care about.

you guys as people. Then we picked back. up and then. >> clarify like was that when the initial. recent um domestic violence. >> No, this was when we found out he filed. a police report. So, this was before it. broke though. So, they were like, you. know, for everyone's mental health like. let's take a beat. And then when news. broke or actually like a little bit. before news broke but we knew it. probably was going to, us girls decided. So, we went to production and the. network and they were all so supportive. and they were like we totally get it you. guys come first. They handled it so. well. And because of that I feel like we.

all felt comfortable being like, you. know what, this is our real lives and if. we want this show to continue to be. successful we have to handle this the. right way. Were you. shocked at all when you heard he did. file another domestic violence? Yes, because I'm sure there are situations in. the past where he could have and didn't. and same with her. So, because of that I. was like, why now, you know, but I don't. know the reason behind it. Everyone's. kind of speculating on that, but I think. maybe he had hit a limit, maybe I don't. know. I genuinely have no idea. When the.

cast then did make the decision, obviously once you guys heard the video. was going to come out, >> Yeah. who like brought the girls. together? Like who was the person to. raise this to you guys? Like what was. what were those conversations like? Honestly, it was us as a whole. We were. we're on a group message. So, we were. just like, "Hey, let's jump on a Zoom. call." And we all got on a Zoom call and. even Whitney was on it even though she's. not like in our lives every single day. anymore. And we all just kind of talked. about it as a whole and we're like, "Hey, how's everyone feeling? Pulse. check. How do you want to handle this?". And we all were unanimously on the same.

page. That's great that there were no. disagreements. >> No. There's a screenshot going around social. media where Taylor called Dakota many. times in one night and in the middle of. that Jordan called and spoke to Dakota. What do you know about that. conversation? I have to say that like in my marriage. it felt like Dakota was the other woman. Like Dakota and Jordan are so in love. So, that he was on the phone with Dakota. all the time. So, he was with him when. he filed the police report. He went over. to his house and he was with him the. whole time and he I think has been in.

cahoots with Dakota throughout this. whole thing. In those heightened moments, how would. you handle because at the time this was. your husband like. >> Yeah. him being loyal to Dakota and you. being loyal to Taylor? That has been the. struggle of my life the last 2 years. He's best friends with Dakota and best. friends with Taylor. So, it's really. really hard. Something ironic, me and. Taylor our birthdays are a day apart. Dakota's and Jordan's are a day apart. So, like same signs and I'm a lot like. Taylor, he's a lot like Dakota. It's so. weird. So, this dynamic has been tricky.

I would hear things from Jordan and. Dakota and I would just kind of like. take it with a grain of salt and then I. would hear things from Taylor. At the. end of the day my loyalty is with Taylor. cuz she's my friend, but it was hard cuz. my husband was in the middle of a lot of. it. And when you say the past 2 years, like what what was that shift? What. changed in the past 2 years? >> Um just because we got really close with. them 2 years ago when they were still. together. And so we were like kind of. couple friends. We're filming this show. together and then all of a sudden they. break up and then me and Jordan go. through our thing last year and that.

like bonded Dakota and Jordan even more. and then me and Taylor even more. Do you have any idea what all of this. means for the next season of Secret. Lives of Mormon Wives? I don't know. because right now we're on a film pause. I I I feel like all of us right now are. just trying to like be like, "Okay, we're human beings first and let's. figure that out and then we'll get back. to filming the show.". Um. clearly there's no shortage of drama in. our lives. So if we get another season, uh it's going to be good. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]. What do you think obviously because of.

all of this coming out like if you did. resume filming, yeah, you're going to. have to talk about all of this. Like. what do you think it would take for you. to feel comfortable to start filming. again? I think now we're at a point. where we're like, "Okay, the world knows. and like the info's out there." And so. you know, now we're good and we can. speak on the things we know and we can. talk about it in a real way rather than. before we were like, "We don't even know. if this is going to get out." So we. didn't know if we could even talk about. it when we were filming. Now we can. This is the first time in the history of.

the Bachelorette that the show was. pulled right before the premiere. >> Yeah. What was your reaction when you. found out? I wasn't super surprised. because I felt like there was a lot of. discourse online that they probably. needed to, but I have to say I saw. Taylor during that journey and she was a. different person. I genuinely feel like. she needed to get away from Dakota. She. stepped into like a really confident. amazing era. I saw her twice and I was. like, "Your aura's different. Your. energy's different." And it was like the. old Taylor again. So I like I'm so sad. because I really wanted people to see.

that side of Taylor and maybe one day. they will, who knows, but I just felt. like it was such a good experience for. and I'm really sad because it was very. wholesome and. dramatic, but amazing. So. Did you have. a heads-up, or did you find out when the. news broke? >> found out when the news broke. Yeah. I. was literally I was dancing with Sasha. from Dancing with the Stars. We were. doing a little dance lesson, and my. friend was with us, and she goes, "Pause, freaking news." And I was like, "What?" So, yeah. And when that happens, you just immediately go to the group. chat? Like, what were all the other.

women saying? >> was calling me. So, I had two miss calls. from her, and I was like, "Oh, shit.". So, I like answered, and she was just. like, "How are you?". The thing about Taylor is she's always. checked Like, she's She has her own. going on, so sometimes she's like not. very present, but she does care about. her friends. So, she was like, "How are. you doing? I just heard." And I was. like, "How are you doing?" So, how is. she doing? I actually talked to her. right before I came in here, and she. seemed pretty positive today. And I. think she knows that this is going to be. a long and scary journey, and the thing. about Taylor she always tells the truth. You know, she's known for that, and I. think she's going to handle this.

in the best way possible, and I think. she's taking a beat to figure that out. Um, she's not just running to TMZ and. leaking stories. So, I think that's the. right way to go about it. >> Yeah, let's talk about that. TMZ is. having like the best week ever. >> Literally a renaissance. Like, TMZ's. like, "We are so back." I'm so true. Obviously, there's a lot of speculation. online that people close to Taylor have. been leaking things to the press, or. people close to Dakota, or Dakota. himself. Like, have you heard anything. about and do you know of anyone leaking. anything? Um, I don't know who it is,

but if I had to guess, it's Dakota, for. sure. >> Do you think Dakota sold the video to. TMZ? Yeah. When you think about him selling that to. TMZ, why do you think he did it now? Because he's been holding on to that for. 3 years. It's. Everyone's speculating about the timing. Could be it. I definitely think that has. something to do with it. I don't know if he was like holding it. over her head for that long. Maybe they. were doing that to each other. I have no. clue like the ins and outs, but I just. think the timing is a little crazy. So. When is the last time you spoke to.

Dakota? Uh, probably 2 weeks ago. He was at my. house a lot cuz of him and him and. Jordan's dynamic. So, through all of. this, he's actually been at my house. quite often. Just like I I was never. like engaging, but he was like around. Jordan. So, yeah, probably 2 weeks ago. And how were those conversations? I. didn't hear a lot of them. I tried to. stay out of it cuz I'm like, "I'm. Taylor's friend, you know?" But, um, Jordan and him love to gossip. I will. say that. Yeah. With everything that's come out in the. past few days, do you think Mom Talk. will survive [laughter] this?

That is the only time that this phrase. applies. And I actually don't know. >> [laughter]. >> We're falling apart over here. >> [gasps]. >> I know. I think it's like there's the. Taylor and Dakota thing, which. has been really hard cuz I think you're. right. It's like we're seeing people. online being like, "This feels so beyond reality TV." Like. this is stuff that like we shouldn't be. able to see this. Like this is not. something that we should be able to. consume just so casually on the. internet, pick up these videos. Then on top of that, like you just said,

>> Taylor's asking you on the phone, "Girl, how are you doing?" Because. there's something serious going on in. your life, also. Um, the news just broke that Jordan filed. for divorce. >> Yeah. Can you set the record straight? Who ended things in the relationship? Um, so I actually found out that he. filed through TMZ. They texted me, and I. was here in LA, and I get a text, "Hey, we just saw Jordan filed for divorce. How are you doing?" And I'm like They're. like, "It's TMZ." And I was like, I did end it with him. So, I knew it was. coming, but we had made an agreement to.

do it together, and he blindsided me and. filed because he wanted the headline. first. Okay. Hold on. >> [laughter]. >> Finding out about your divorce on TMZ, in that moment when you got that text, how did you feel? >> My heart sunk because A, we agreed to. tell our children together before. filing, and we haven't done that. It has including his daughter, who's. like 13 years old. Um, so he found out. through TMZ? I don't know if he told her. before, but we had made the agreement to. like tell our kids together, and we.

didn't. And luckily they're young, but. just kind of like a betrayal, you know? And I had this huge packet of paperwork. to fill out on like how to divide assets. and furniture and cars and houses, and. we had to fill it out to file. So, he. went ahead and just did all of that. without me. So, I have no idea what he. put in there. He also did try, I found. out from my lawyer this morning, he. tried to put a clause in the divorce. that I couldn't go on any podcast to. talk about him. So, sorry. Here we. [laughter] are. But, I didn't sign. anything. That would all have to be. negotiated, and it was just what he. wanted, but it's not going to happen.

>> What do you think he didn't want you to. be able to speak about? >> There's a lot. Yeah. >> We're going to get into it. >> Yes, we will. Um it is also reported. that Jordan allegedly filed quickly on. Thursday because he did find out that. you were coming on Call Her Daddy. What. are your thoughts on that? I I don't. know for sure if he knew, but I think he. either I had told the cast, so the girls. knew, and I'm like, did someone tell. their husband, you know? Got back to. Jordan, but maybe he also just knew I. was in LA and speculated, you know? But, he was definitely trying to get ahead of. something, which is ironic cuz I'm the.

one who ended it. I told him on Friday. the 13th, so not that long ago. And I. just said I want a divorce. He. definitely didn't want it, and now he's. the one rushing to do it, which is a. little strange. We're going to get into. all of that of how you obviously told. him. First, I need to acknowledge. because literally right before we just. sat down, more news broke. It was. reported that allegedly Jordan's been. involved in some pretty shady behavior. for years, including allegedly spending. money on escorts with your money. What is your response to that? So, it's.

funny because when he filed the divorce, I ended it, and it's, you know, irreconcilable differences is what we're. saying, but he put in the papers that we. ended it because I had an affair. And. he's talking about Marciano, the person. I kissed a year and a half ago. That's. what he put as the reason, and I was. like, what? We've worked through that. It's already been proven on TV that I. didn't sleep with him, so crazy. But the. ironic thing about that is I do have. proof and screenshots that when season 1. dropped, I had an escort service reach. out to me and they sent me screenshots.

of his phone number and messages and he. was trying to meet up with them. He got. a hotel room and I have all of that. And. so he's, you know, I I protected him. through all the Marciano stuff and he. denied it to me when I brought it to him. and he said, "We're in Hollywood now. People are going to try to do this to. tear us apart. It's probably AI." But it. wasn't. It was real. How did you find. out it was real? >> Someone messaged me and she works for. the escort service and she called me and. was like, "I work for this. You can like. look into it." She sent me so much. proof. So. So you can confirm by.

speaking to this woman that he was. involved with escorts. >> Yeah. And she sent the screenshots and. his It's his phone number. She wouldn't. have known his phone number. Like I I. literally have it. And what kind of. proof was she showing you? Uh just the. messages he had sent and his phone. number being attached. Also, she said. this happened while he was in Texas and. he was in Texas doing summer sales at. the time and this was before we filmed. the show, so no one would have known. that. So. Do [clears throat] you know after. that moment if he continued with other. escorts? I don't know, but I do know. that literally like a month ago my.

sister was out to dinner with her. husband and a friend of his came up to. them and he's like, "Hey man, like how. are you doing?" And then he's like, "By. the way, are Jesse and Jordan still. married?" And they were like, "Yeah, why?" And he goes, "I go to these. parties and he's always there. And. especially when they had their daughter, he was there a lot. That was like the. time he was, you know, being seen. So. I don't I don't have proof of those, but. that's what I've heard. When you hear. that, like where does your head go? You. know what's so messed up is my sister. told me this like a few weeks ago and.

she was like, "I'm so sorry." Like. expecting me to cry and I was like, "You. know what? This was like my final straw. Like I needed to hear this to like be. okay with like moving on." Now looking. back, I'm like, you didn't inform protect him because. you went through this whole scandal of. kissing Marciano twice. Which by the. way, I kissed Marciano like 2 weeks. after I found out about the escort. stuff. And so I do think that influenced. my decision, not that it was okay, but I. protected Jordan when that all came out. Okay, wait, hold on. So, you find out.

before season 1 about. the escorts. >> Yeah. You start filming season 1. >> No, we had filmed season 1. When it. dropped, we were in New York. And we I. found out when it was like live, season. 1 just came out, we're in New York doing. press, and that's when I found out. >> And he completely denies the whole. thing. >> Yeah. Then you get proof and he. continues to deny it. >> showed him the proof, and he was like, "No, like they're going to they're going. to try to do this to us.". >> Then the Marciano thing happens and you. >> 2 weeks later. Why did you protect him? Because he denied it, and at the time I. did believe him. Where I was like, you.

know, like I just I think I was just. putting my head in the sand, and I was. like, "I don't want to know anything. Like, it's fine. Like, I just really. just tried to believe him." And then I. did actually kiss someone, so then I. felt so guilty. And when this came out, like, I just was like, "I have to own it. cuz I did something wrong. I don't want. anyone to think I'm trying to like. deflect." So, when do you think you. stopped believing him? I think I always did believe it deep. down, but then after he The way he. reacted during the Marciano stuff made. me question it, because you know how. they say if someone else is hiding.

something, they're going to accuse you. of more. So, I think that that's what. made me realize is I'm like, "Are you. hiding something so you're like putting. it all on me?" Okay, we're going to get. to the Marciano thing cuz I want to go. through all of that, but when it is. alleged that he was using your money. >> Yeah. to pay for. parties and for escorts, >> Yeah. can you confirm that? I mean, it's hard. to say at the at the time of the. escorts, he he did work. So, it could. have been his, but when you're married, everything's both of yours. As of the. last 3 years, everything has been my.

money. Like, he does not work. I provide. everything. Um. and so if anything's happened within the. last 3 years, it had been my money, for. sure. And when. this. site was saying that he was paying for. parties. What kind of parties do you. think he was paying for? I have to. believe they're orgies, like sex. parties. I don't know what other kind of. parties you would pay for. Like you just. go to a party, you know? So, that's what. I have to believe. Um I've actually. never asked him about this. I've just. heard about it. But the funny thing is I.

heard through my sister, who heard from. someone who was there, and now it's also. being reported. So, I'm like, clearly. there's some truth to it. >> Do you think any other people in Dad. Talk were participating in these orgies? I have no idea. That's actually I. actually haven't even thought about that. possibility till now. I have no clue. >> back to season one of swinging, but. worse. >> [laughter]. >> We're like, wait, wait. >> taking it up a notch, you know? Have you. talked to any of the women about this? >> I have only told Macy and Michaela. What. is their response? >> They were like, he's disgusting. To be. fair, everyone in my life, friends,

family, employees, everyone hates him. Like no one When I got divorced, everyone I've told so far has been like, "Congratulations." Not one person has. been like, "I'm so sorry." I was going. to say the entire internet is like, "Thank god she's so free.". >> How has that felt seeing the public's. response be so not only just positive to. your divorce, but like grateful that. you're removing yourself from this? >> It was validating in a way cuz I'm like, "Okay, I made the right decision, you. know?" Like if everyone feels this way, there's got to be a reason. Cuz I was a. little bit in denial for a while.

Um I will say like there is a part of me. like he's getting ripped up her online. right now, and I do feel bad. Like. people are like talking about his looks, his personality, he'll never date anyone. again. And so, like there is a part of. me that like I'm like, "Oh, I just like. I I It's not that I chose to break up. with him during that because of it, but. the it just lined up that way. So, I do. feel guilty, but. >> But do you think he actually won't date. anyone ever again? Has he been seeing. anyone since you guys have been. separated in the past few Well, it's. funny cuz when I left him, he was like.

trying to be like, "You're probably. cheating on me again, you know?" Cuz. that's his only thing he, you know, blames me about. But I was like, "No, this is cuz I'm not in love with you. This isn't about anyone else. I want to. be alone. But, I do think he's been. talking to people. I I've heard that. through the grapevine, so." But, now you. can even see from your energy, you're. like, "I don't give a fuck." Like, literally, get away from me. >> Yeah. Have you been in touch with Jordan since. he filed? Um so, he texted me, I think, cuz he knew the news was going to be. coming out after I got the TMZ text, and. he was like, "By the way, I filed, but I. didn't know it was going to be public.". And I was like, "That's funny, cuz you.

gave them a statement. Like, you. literally emailed TMZ what to say.". So, he was like, "Well, you know, I I. was advised that it was what was best. for me." And I was just like, "Do not. talk to me anymore. We will handle the. kids through a third party." He has a. history of being emotionally abusive. And so, I was like, "I'm not going to. get into this. So, we're we're done. here, and we're we're going to handle. the kids through someone else." Is it. true I heard you changed your phone. number? Yeah. He has no clue what it is. now. I have my old phone to communicate. with him about the kids, but he doesn't.

know my new phone number. It's going to. be very separate now. How did you decide. that was the right decision for you? Because he's spied on me in the past. Do. you want to hear a funny story? >> Please. You know Harry Jowsey? Yes. So, we have the same birthday. So, last May, this is when me and Jordan are. separated, um I responded to Harry's. story, and I was like, "Oh my gosh, birthday twins." He like voice memos me, and you know how he talks? He's like, "You naughty kitten." Whatever. He's. like. >> "You naughty little possum.". >> That's what it was. He was like, "How's. your birthday going, naughty possum?". And I was like, "Good. How's yours?". He's like, "Great. I'm going on a hike.". That's it, okay? This is an Instagram. I'm in Europe. I.

get a call at 4:00 a.m. from Jordan. He's like, "Do you have to tell me. something?" And I was like, "What do you. mean?" He went to the lengths, he hacked. my Instagram while we're separated, created a fake phone number to then send. himself the audios, and then have the. phone number say, "Dude, I think you. should know about this. Your wife's. cheating on you." So, he accused me of. cheating on him with Harry Jowsey, said. it was someone else, and then I found. out it was him. And that's all it was. The audios are so. innocent. Like, it was just like, "Hey, how are you?". Jessie, that's insane. >> So, that's why I got a new phone number, cuz he has done stuff like that. He's.

tracked me. He's like listened in on my. cameras in my house. Um so he's done stuff like that. So I. was like I have to like do things where. he can't like look through my stuff cuz. I know How did you find out he was. tracking you? Um well, he like has my. location, but he like is very weird if I. ever turned it off. He's like, "Why did. you turn off your location?" Like he's. very strange about it. >> And with the cameras and all that like. that is like a full safety issue. >> Oh yeah, like there were times I was on. the phone during our separation that he. would like repeat conversations back to. me and he's like, "I listened in on the. camera." And I'm like, "Oh." And now.

that he's at home, he's unplugged all. the cameras. So I can't like do. anything, you know? Like I wouldn't try. to anyway, but he's he's calculated. Like wait, you're like, "You're the one. paying for escorts. You're the one going. to orgy parties." And then his paranoia. is completely being projected onto you. >> to be the victim, you know? >> And you're like, "Wait, what How do you. even think of this shit?" It's like cuz. he's doing it himself. >> Yes. Yep. Are you still living together in that. house? >> No, so I left. When I left, I said, you. know,

"We need to figure out what to do with. the house." And he was like, "Well, you. can stay in the spare bedroom.". Of the house I paid for. And I was like, you know, I think I'm. going to leave because he does have a. history of being emotionally abusive and. we've had really bad fights where I've. also been really angry, you know, don't. get me wrong. And I was like I don't. think it's good for us to live together. right now. So I'm at a hotel again and. that's where I've been for the last week. and a half. >> But Jessie, why are you always the. person that has to leave the house when. you are the sole provider? You paid for. that house. Like that's your house. He I. mean I have a text where he's like, "You.

wanted this so you can leave." Like he's. he's making me, but also he's like, "Well, you can stay in the spare bedroom. if you want." But I don't feel right. about living there with him. Also, he. could spy on me if I'm in the house. He. he could have cameras that I don't know. about. So I'm kind of like I need to. have that space and distance. But I'm. going to sell the house and we're going. to each get our own place. How are the. kids doing? They don't know yet. So. that's the sad part about him leaking. this before I did is. I have no idea what they're thinking if. I don't know if he told them while I'm. out of town without telling me.

They're young, they're 6 and 3, so. they'll be okay. My 6-year-old. >> able to like FaceTime? >> Yeah, I FaceTimed them this morning and. it was funny cuz I was talking to. Jagger, my son, and Jordan was like kind. of like snapping at him and I was like, "Jordan, don't do that." And he goes, "Don't talk to me." And I was like, "Okay, so that's how this is going to. be." So, it's kind of hostile between me. and Jordan at the moment, but the kids. are going to be fine. And so, are the. kids staying in the house with Jordan. while you're in the hotel? >> Yeah, um I've tried I've seen them a. little bit where I'm like, "Hey, I'm. going to take them." And he's like, "Well, you can't take them overnight in.

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him that you said you wanted a divorce, what his reaction was. We're going to. get into all that, but first let's just. unpack like when you look back at the. early days with Jordan, what was your. relationship like in the very beginning. days? It was good. We met very quickly. Um I blame our dynamic on that, honestly, because I had been married. before, so this is my second divorce. Um and I separated, so to put it into. context, I separated from my first. husband in September and I got married. in March. So, it was really quick. Like. I I think I leaned on him for emotional.

support. He was going through a breakup, so was I and we just kind of connected. and clicked. And I think that I had been. treated really badly in my first. marriage as well, which now looking back. I'm like this is a pattern. Like I get. into these situations cuz I'm. self-conscious and I have issues. But um. he was there for me. So, I think I just. dove right in. The first year was fine. though. So, would you say that first. year you weren't arguing that much? >> No, yeah, it was pretty good. Um but I. actually think that looking back like. he's always been pretty controlling and. I think at the time I was just like.

happy to be out of my last marriage. We. had just had our son. Like I was just. kind of in a bubble and then I started. to notice patterns. What would typically. set off an argument between the two of. you? His control. I felt controlled in. every aspect of my life and he used to. try to say, "Oh, I can't control you. You're not able to be controlled. I try. and I can't cuz I'm independent." In. those early days, what do you look back. and be like, "Oh, that was fully control. and maybe I didn't see it at the time"? Oh my god. I mean, it's just he tries to. control every aspect of my life. My. business, how I should run my business.

He would mom-shame me and teach like. tell me how to parent, but then not do. it himself. Like if I left the fridge. door open, you know, like that beep that. happens, he would I'd get yelled at. So, to this day when I hear like a beep of. the fridge, I'm like like my body goes. into fight or flight. Like it's just. little things like that that add up, but. also like I like if I wanted to go to. dinner with friends, like it was like, "Well, what are you going to be home? What are you doing? Where are you?" Like. just constant. And was there any. patterns when the arguments would start? Like what do you look back on? >> I think that's why our relationship got. to a pretty bad place is because I'm.

pretty like vocal and independent. So. for the first year or two, I was just. like, "Okay." And I think Jordan wants. someone submissive. So I was kind of. like that in the beginning. And then it. started to get to this place where I'm. like, "No." And I would fight back. And. so then it was just like really bad. because I'm fighting back and that makes. it worse for him. And so we're just like. going at it. >> Are there any things that he would like. verbally criticize you for? Everything. Everything. I remember being in therapy. before we were like in the public eye. and being like, "I need you to criticize. me less." It's like 90% criticism and.

10% compliments. Anything I did, like. how I run my business, how I parented, um my time management, how I cleaned the. house, like every little thing. Even. like how I would like dress and like, you know, things like that. >> Like what would he say about how you. dressed? >> that skirt's a little short. Are you. going to wear that? Like, you know, like. just stuff like that. Um so it just felt. like I was constantly being dumped on. I. will say there was um right before we. separated last year before like after. the Marciano stuff, he had told me he. wanted me to start doing Pilates every.

single day. Like he told me that and. then he said, "I think I believe in. traditional gender roles and I want to. be more in my masculine and I want you. to be more in your feminine." And I was. like, So like just control in areas like that. as well. And I was like, "Do you know. who you're married to?". That is like so backwards and. also like. I'm also just like how how. crazy for him to also like physically. expect you to Yeah. do Pilates every. single day, be the breadwinner, take. care of the children, take care of him.

Like there's such an unrealistic. expectation when he's not even raising. himself to any capacity of that. standard. >> And to be fair also, he doesn't work and. we had a full-time nanny. So like he. wasn't even helping with the kids until. night time. Was there anything that he expected to. get approval over in your relationship. from you? Oh, yeah, I feel like everything. Like it. felt like I couldn't make a move without. talking to Jordan about it. You know, like I had to get his advice, his.

opinion. Like. but the thing is I never wanted to. confide in him either because he's. he's not someone that is like, "Yes, like let me help you feel better and. like give you advice in a logical way.". It's always like putting me down while. he's giving me advice and like playing. devil's advocate but telling me what I. did wrong. >> And how would he justify that to you or. try to justify it? >> He's like, "I just know things. Like I'm. really like I I I'm smart in these. areas. Like you should listen to me. Like look at all the mistakes you've. made. Look at all the friends you've. lost. You need to listen to me.". So yeah. And now that I'm saying these. out loud, I'm like, "This is weird.".

>> no, it's not. It's First of all, do not. feel weird or shame or embarrassed. Like. I think so many women relate to this. It's more I'm cringing at him because of. like the self-righteousness that these. men have over women when again it's like. you're home, you're the breadwinner, you're the one that's working, you're. the one that was on mom talk. We we'll. get to dad talk, don't worry. >> Yeah. Um can you explain though like. what did it conflict like actually look. like between the two of you? You're in. the house, you're going through this.

dynamic. Like what was that like? The. last five years, we have not We fought. every single day. Every single day. Like. imagine being in that with your partner. who you're supposed to like trust the. most. Um I would say the worst it got. and actually why I separated from him. last year is because this was the. Pilates um conversation. Uh he it got to. a point where he was blackmailing me. with the Marciano texts and he had them. on a draft on his phone on TikTok and. anytime he was mad at me, he's like, "I'm going to post them. I'm going to. ruin your life." So we were fighting. over this Pilates stuff and he was like,

"I'm going to I'm going to post the. TikToks." And so I went to go grab his. phone. I was like, "Jordan, no. Like, at. the point at this point no one knew. about what I had done." And I was like, "You're going to ruin my life." And blah. blah blah. And my business, too. Like, I. employ 50 people. Like, this could ruin. everything. Um and he goes, so that he's like, "Okay." And I'm freaking out. So I'm. like trying to get his phone. I'm like. kind of chasing him trying to get it. He. pulls out his phone, starts recording. me. And he's like, "What are you going. to do? What are you going to do? Are you. going to be like Taylor? Should I call. the cops?" And I was like, "Whoa." Cuz. he's friends with Dakota. So he's like. hearing things like that, obviously. And.

so he's baiting me and he's trying to be. like, "Oh, oh, what are you doing?" And. that was the moment where for me I was. like, "What am I doing? I am chasing. around my husband trying to get his. phone so he doesn't blackmail me. This is not healthy." And I literally. left him the next day. I was like, "This. can't happen anymore.". >> you're like a complete prisoner in your. own home where you're like, from what I. understand, he decided to stay with you. after that information. >> Yes. There was not even a second where. he like didn't. So yeah. And then he. continues to use this information as. blackmail to further control you in the.

relationship. >> Yes. Knowing that this cycle is going to. continue because you're going to feel. like because you do feel guilty. about what you did. >> Yeah. Also now having the information. that you did know about the escorts that. he completely gaslit you into believing. didn't exist when now we know that. actually was the case. And he was the. first person to step outside of the. marriage. And then you I'm not saying. what you did was okay, but you kissed. this man twice. You do not sleep with. him. And this man is then blackmailing. you into just fearing for your career.

and your reputation. That's horrible. It is. And like. Um I shouldn't have done what I did. I. regret it so much. I just want to make. that so clear. Like, for my kids to like. have to hear about that one day. I want. to take full responsibility. Like But I. will say that like having your partner. blackmail you in that way, it was. something I can I could never get over. Even after we got back together and went. through therapy, like. the person that you love the most and. should about you the most, even though. you hurt them, should never put you in a.

situation where you feel like inside you. never like you're walking on eggshells. and you never know if your life's about. to be ruined and they have that power. over you. So, that was honestly like. something that really, really ruined us. and yeah, it was it was traumatizing. It's traumatizing and it's really sick. because it's like he's getting off on. enjoying watching you have to be. beholden to him. >> the control. Completely. When you look. back at from beginning days to then. obviously now you can see like the clear. delineation between like whether it was. like oh, this is not the best.

relationship to like this is emotional. abuse. >> Yeah. Did it feel in the beginning when those. really big fights started like okay, maybe this is just like normal. relationship struggles or from the. beginning did you start to immediately. be like this is unhealthy, how do I get. out? So, my first marriage was pretty. emotionally abusive, like worse than. this one and I again got married so. quickly that I didn't have time to heal. from that. So, I think I attracted the. same type of person without like. realizing and I think in my head I was.

justifying it cuz I'm like no, Jordan. saved me from my other marriage. Like. he's my savior. Like that's how I saw. him. Like he saved me from this dynamic. So, there's no way he's doing this to me. and then over time like same patterns of. what I saw before in my past. relationship like arose and I was like. oh. Um but I had never said out loud to. anyone. My friends and family's my. friends and family were aware. They knew. that he didn't treat me well. No one. liked him. They would bring it up to me. but I would just kind of be like that's. Jordan. Um but then in season 4 you see. my energy healer. Um she actually I was.

doing a session with her and this was. the same night of that Pilates fight. actually and she I sat down and she. goes, are you safe? And I was like, what. do you mean? And she goes, I just have a. feeling I need to ask you. And um I just. I told her everything and it was the. first time I said it out loud and that. was like the moment also that I was like. I have to leave him and that's why we. separated last year cuz I'm like I as. I'm saying out loud she goes, Jessie, this is emotional abuse." And I never. like it didn't click to me until in that. moment. How did it change for you after you said. it out loud? Um it was like a weight had.

fallen off where I was like and it was. almost like something clicked and I was. like seeing it clearly for the first. time and I was like, "Oh." Like I just. kind of like was like that's Jordan's. personality. Like this is marriage is. hard, you know, like which it is, but. that's how I justified it, but when she. literally I had someone saying this is. emotional abuse and then I started. opening up to my friends and family and. they were like, "Jessie, this isn't. normal." It it felt like the glass had. shattered. Well, and just to also. validate any woman who is going through. this, it's like.

so many people can be like, "Oh my god, is there a pattern?" Like you went. through this in your first marriage and. this second. It's like of course there's. a pattern because it's so hard to break. out of it's familiar. It's something. that you get used to. It's like you've. been beaten down and your your sitting. there and your self-worth is depleted. and you're not feeling good about. yourself. So then you find someone like. a Jordan who like. emotional abuse does not just start day. one. >> No. It's like it is this very very um. crazy like confusing masked thing that.

you can't there it's not tangible. You. can't see it and and so it's. psychological and when it's so embedded. psychologically, there is also something. within you that is willing to be like, "But maybe I am not worthy and this is. maybe what I am going through." And so. like maybe I deserve this or maybe this. is normal because if you've only lived. seeing that and like I don't know much. about your upbringing, but like did you. have like a good representation of.

you know, love in your life. >> Yeah, I have the best family. So that's. what's crazy is like my parents, my. sisters, like best family in the world. which by the way my sisters love you and. like they're so excited I'm here. Um but no, I have the best family. I. think it was like childhood wounds of. like not feeling good enough with other. friends and you know, things like that. And then I got into things where I. didn't feel good enough already, and. then I got into that, and it was like 10. times worse. And you're right, it's. familiar. So, I looked for the same. person subconsciously because it's what. I was used to. And that quote is so like.

old, but it's so true of like you um. accept the love you think you deserve, and that's what happened to me. I think. it was season 3. I remember just feeling. so. bad for you and your family when your. sisters were sitting on the ground. Your. mom was there, and you were like, "I. could tell my mom wasn't even shocked.". And she like was like hoping we would. really just end it. It was when you guys. were about to go into the 90-day break. And your sister was like, "You haven't. been Jesse for so long." And it was like. this. outcry to you, but also you could tell.

she was so aware like she couldn't get. to you, but she wanted you to know that. like she still remembered who you were. without this abuse. And like she knew. you were going to come back to yourself. one day. Yeah. And it takes you being it. it like it no one can get you out of it. by yourself, right? >> Yeah, I'm so glad you brought that up. because I do feel like I've been a shell. of myself in this relationship, and I. used to tell that to Jordan. He's like, "Like that's not true. Like you have. every right to make your own life." And. I'm like, "Your partner affects you so. much." Like they can influence every.

single thing about your life, your. happiness, and I did lose myself. And. the people closest to me saw that. >> Yeah. Can you um talk a little bit about what. kind of romantic connection that you and. Jordan were able to maintain with each. other while. having this emotionally abusive. relationship? So, our sex life was like pretty good. for a while because again, I hadn't. really realized what was going on. I was. just kind of hiding it, but I will say. since the separation and getting back. together, my body. has told me. I want women in this.

situation to know that like your body. will tell you. Um. I like anytime you tried to have sex. with me, I would clam up. I would have. panic attacks after. I would cry after. I didn't want him to touch me. Like even. if he was just like passing me like in. the house and like grabbed my arm or. whatever. I was like, "Don't touch me.". And I would say that to him and he's. like, "What's wrong with you?" But your. body knows. So, I just want like anyone. in the situation, men or women. Like, the everyone goes through it at some. point. Not everyone, but people have. gone through it. Listen, your body knows. Like, that book. Your Body Keeps the Score. My body was.

trying to tell me for like a whole year. and I just didn't ask him. >> safe. Of course, you can't relax and. enjoy yourself in an intimate setting. with someone that you don't feel safe. with. >> Yeah. I also think there was such a. highlight when we would watch the. seasons on the success of your business. and Mom Talk. Jordan did end up quitting. his job so that he could help with the. kids and that so he could film more. Initially, were you guys aligned on that. decision for him to quit his job? >> Yes, because at the time he quit, we had. just had our daughter. So, she was a.

newborn. We had our toddler as well and. he was traveling for work. So, he was in. Texas, California, like all over the. place. And I was like, "I can't run a. business, start to film this show, and. raise two kids." So, I did initiate. that. I was like, "I need you to like. But, I did say I need you to find. something here." I thought he was still. going to work. He just took that as I'm. going to quit. And we were I was making. good money. So, like he didn't need to. work. But, looking back, I'm like, "I. should have like had him help out with. the kids more though." Like, there was. He got to golf all day, you know? How do. you think.

becoming the sole provider. of the family impacted your relationship. long-term? I think that for me, in the. future, like I am totally fine being. that person. I'll probably always make. the most money. But, I do want a guy. that has like passions and like. something of his own. It doesn't matter. how much money he makes. But, I will say. with Jordan, since he believes in like. the traditional gender roles, I think he. really loved the lifestyle I provided, but he had a really hard time being. like, "I'm not the man. I'm not the. provider." Which is such a Mormon like. toxic way of thinking. All the men like.

look at the men in our group. Like, a. lot of them had those issues. So, I. think he was very like um intimidated by. it. But, he also liked having the money. So it was Right, it's like his ego once. the door opened and it was public. couldn't take it, but behind the scenes. he's like, I love this. I'm golfing. every day. >> Exactly. He has it so easy. >> checks in, he's like embarrassed and. can't take it. >> Yes. Did he ever start to make any. comments to you negatively about how. being a stay-at-home dad made him feel? Oh, he just told me from the beginning. He said, I believe in gender roles and.

not from the beginning, but like when he. quit his job, sorry. He goes, I'm just you know, I'm not. meant to be that role. And he would mom. shame me a lot. Like the kids need their. mom, you're gone a lot. And so I can't. fill that role. Like I'm the dad. And. I'm not meant to be a stay-at-home dad. I don't want to do that. So it was hard. for me cuz I'm like, I want a partner. that if I do have to work and travel for. that job, I can trust that like the dad. wants to be with the kids. Like this is. a partnership. You're not a babysitter. You chose to have these children. Right, it's not Well, it's also just so unfair. It's like he's getting to enjoy all the. spoils of your hard work, but then he's.

also like, and you have to do all the. stuff that I'm also not really doing. that I should be doing cuz I got to go. golf. I got a tee time at 8:00 a.m., babe. And. you're like Do you know how many times. I've heard that sentence? >> [laughter]. >> And you're like, there's no way. There's no way. >> It's so bad. Eventually Jordan did. I don't even want to say return to work, kind of, through Dad Talk. >> Yes. >> [gasps]. >> What was your initial reaction to that? So at first the dads got together to. like make funny videos to make fun of.

us. So we were like, this is hilarious. I don't think we ever thought it was. going to turn into what they tried to. make it. Um as time went on, I was like, okay, this is like cringey. Like I don't. like this. And it became a thing with me. and Jordan where it was like. competitive. Like we were competing. Like you got this opportunity. You got. this many followers. You got this many. views. Look what I got. Like he he. became very competitive with it. And I. was like, this is gross. Like men should. not be acting this way in a relationship. where it's like you're threatened by. like my success that pays our bills. So. it turned into a really hostile thing.

for us. Did you talk about this with the other. women? Like did they feel this also? Like I'm cringing from Dad Talk. >> of us. Yes. Like we all made fun of it. We're like, "What is happening?" And. it's hard cuz everyone the audience is. always like, "Less Dad Talk." And we're. like, "We agree." But also they're in. our lives and this is about our lives, so it's really hard to like not have. them around. But now for me it'll be. easier. No, that's a good point. I I. remember he said, "Dad Talk doesn't need. to be in Mom Talk's shadows." But first. of all, there wouldn't be a Dad Talk if. there wasn't Mom Talk and everything. that you guys have built. Did you feel.

like he was riding on your coattails? >> 1,000%. I mean, any brand deal that he. got was because of me. We had to do them. together. He may maybe has gotten one or. two on his own, but like we did one with. Cafe Rio. We had to do it together, you. know? So everything was tied to me. And. so and even like he's on Cameo and he'll. try to be like, "Come say hi in this. Cameo, you know?" So Right, it's like. you're getting used and you're like, "If. it really is your own thing, then do it. as your own thing. Don't have to involve. me because then it should just be it's. then it's getting my money.". >> Yeah, exactly. Call Her Daddy is brought. to you by SoFi, the all-in-one finance.

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how he was so upset with you and the. betrayal, which was so fair, but now I'm. like oh my god, he was such a liar. Like, he was the he would. What? Like, um. >> when you look back, you said that that. moment was essentially a cry for help. When you stepped outside of the. marriage, what did you mean by that? So, I felt so trapped in that marriage, you. know? Like, I couldn't do anything. right. I was so beaten down emotionally.

and I was just so unhappy, deeply. unhappy in what I was in, but I felt. trapped like not only with like my money. and my business, like you saw in season. 4, but also just he made me feel like I. couldn't leave. And so, and for my kids, too. So, I was just really, really. upset. And I met Marciano and it was the. first person who was like nice to me and. told me I was cool and pretty and fun. and like that I was worth something. And. I just remember being like, oh, like. this is how a man should talk to you. And not that it's okay what I did by any. means, but I do feel like I was like I'm.

going to I I remember thinking like, if. I do this tonight just kissing him, by. the way, it will give me a reason to be. done. Like, it'll give Jordan a reason. to leave me. Like, I can be free. And. >> So, in a way, it was like you were. looking for an out. You were almost like. kind of trying to self-sabotage. >> Yes, even if it was me that like did the. bad thing, I was like maybe this could. end it. And when then you guys went on. that 90-day break and you did decide to. stay together, what was fueling you to.

not just walk away? I was so scared. And that's how I felt. the last year to be honest, but I was. scared of being alone, I was scared of. hurting him, I was scared of the. unknown, and the kids. Like I've been. divorced before and it sucked and this. time I have kids, so I'm like I don't. want to go through that and put my. family through it with the business and. the pre-nup and all that. There was just. so much weighing on me with that. Um so. I was just scared. I was really really. scared. In that time, obviously we saw. some stuff on camera, but like what. conversations. with this affair coming to light did it.

force you to have with Jordan? Like was. there anything you were able to admit. about the relationship that you had been. previously too scared to say? Um he had. been well aware of how I felt about like. the emotional abuse and all that, but he. never acknowledged it until the affair. came out and it was public and we. started going to therapy during our. separation. And in therapy, he finally. admitted like um I do know I got you to. this place. I am the instigator in this. I started this cycle and it was. emotional abuse. He has said all of. those words to me. He may deny it now, but he has said all of that, but he had.

never said that before. Okay, so that gives a little bit of. clarity of why you would be like, okay, maybe there is some path to moving. forward. Like someone saying like, I see. that this was emotional abuse. I see I. got you here. Like I'm willing to. change. >> Yeah. Why not give it a shot? Right. Having. kids with someone and you're like, whoa. Cuz most people you would expect them to. never admit that and of course it wasn't. on camera, but like. >> Yeah. And I will say the last year. Jordan has made some changes. Like he's. really tried in a lot of areas, but I.

think for me it was like you're trying. and you are making changes, but it's I'm. still not in love with you. And at the. end of the day like you do deserve to be. loved the way that works for you and. same with me. And if you're going to. make these changes, great for yourself, but it doesn't work for me. But I gave. it my all and I had that year to really. try and I don't regret it now because I. I did everything I could. >> genuinely say and look at your kids and. be like, I tried. >> Yes. Something that is a. by-product of being in a toxic situation. or an abusive situation is.

the way that it impacts your self-image. and your self-worth. >> Yeah. You posted a really vulnerable. TikTok where you opened it up about. regretting some of the cosmetic. procedures that you've done recently. Why was that something you decided to. share? Because I do get a lot of hate for what. I get done and I didn't want everyone. watching thinking that I just like. wanted to look this way or I wanted. this. Like it didn't go the way I. planned and so I wanted to talk about. it, but it also has made me realize. Like I got my surgeries after season 4.

and I looked back and I was like, I. looked so good in season 4. What was I. thinking? And I never would have been. able to say that before. But it gave me. like clearer perspective of like I don't. need to get all this work done, but I. think I was in two marriages where like. I had two husbands who treated me so. badly that I was like um. that was the only thing I could control. And that may sound weird, but it was. like I can't do anything else right. So. like I can control my appearance. And I. think it became a coping mechanism for. me. To have the ability to control. something in your life when everything. else is chaos is a way that we in our.

heads cope and survive, but I think. obviously sometimes then it can be at. the detriment of ourselves. We just. don't see it in the moment. What do you. think is your biggest regret when it. came to those procedures? Um so I got. one surgery um like 3 months ago and. that was I just shouldn't have done any. of it. I got an upper and lower bleph. and then some fat grafting in the face, but I didn't want the fat grafting. I. just kind of said like I just wanted the. eyes and he was like, well you need this. to balance it out and I was like, okay. Like I just kind of listened to what I.

was told and. looking back I'm like, I didn't need. that or want that. So I just wish that I. would have not done any of it cuz I. didn't need it, you know? >> No, and I can imagine like even you. saying like now you're getting to this. place where you're watching season 4 and. you're like, "What the Like I. looked great.". >> Yeah. Um you look great now. Like don't. be that hard on yourself, but I get it. It's more of like an internal thing of. like watching yourself drive yourself to. a point where you're thinking. something's going to solve something. And really that's not the solve. You. could continue to get work done. That's.

not really the issue. >> Yeah. Throughout season 4, all of the. women were. so vocal about how much they disliked. Jordan. Like it was. every scene it felt like, right? >> What do you think overall was their. biggest issue with him? Um the way he. treated me, for sure. They saw things, they heard things. Um and then just the. way he's kind of demeaning to women, and. he would talk badly about my friends, which is so weird to be like, "My. husband's talking on my best. friend. Like what do I do?" Like that It.

was such a hard position to be in. And. he's a big mouth, and he would tell. people things, and kind of exaggerate. things. You kind of see that play out, but I think those issues were what. everyone struggled with. Well, yeah. I. almost think there's like a thing with. men where you're like, "Okay, women, we. can like gossip like No, it's not for. boys. Like [laughter] literally this is. a woman's game. Like stop gossiping and. stirring. Like you need to get out. there. Like this is a woman's field, okay? Yes. >> influencing is also our area. So. >> Thank you. That is how I feel. I'm like. it's icky. Like stop. Um no, that makes. sense, because I think And also seeing.

their distaste for him, I felt. Yeah, it just felt really palpable where. it couldn't be escaped. I also thought. that what was really hard I remember it. was episode 1 where you walk in and you. have this overnight bag. >> Yeah. >> And what was so sad, Jessie, was like. the fact that your friends like know the. exact bag that you usually carry if you. spent the night at the hotel and you. didn't sleep at your home. Like it was. that.

obvious to them, because it clearly was. that. clearly like occurring quite often. I. just like I guess when you would show up. to those events and he would be there. and you would have your bag. Like and. you would have to put on a brave face. When you look back, like is there. anything you wish you could have done. differently in those moments for. yourself? Oh my gosh, I'm so glad you. asked this because something I've. realized throughout all this is I have. gotten very good at stuffing my emotions. down and like I'm here because you know, now the show I have so many things I.

have to do. I have to be on camera, but. before that I was teaching hair classes. and I was running a business. So I'd get. in huge fights with Jordan and then I'd. have to turn it on and go teach hundreds. of people and be there for my employees. and I literally had to learn that as a. coping mechanism to the point where it's. really hard for me to cry now and it's. really hard for me to face my emotions. and be vulnerable. The show has helped. me. I watched season 4 and I was like, oh I cried more than I thought. Okay, that's good. It's progress, but yeah, I'm very good at just being like I'm. totally fine and I wish that I would. have just taken more time to like look.

internally and be like, you're not okay. and it's okay to not be okay and you. don't have to put on a brave face and. I'm working on that in therapy now, but. that for sure. >> No, it's it's a great point. It's like. we watched it in that that scene, but. then you're right, you did cry this. season. We watched you cry at your. anniversary dinner because you were. concerned about the future of your. relationship and meanwhile Jordan. suggested renewing your vows. How were. you both on such different pages in that. moment? >> I mean Jordan wanted this, you know, he. wanted to stay. He wanted to make this. work. So I think he was just grasping at.

straws trying to be like, what can I do? And maybe he thought it was like. romantic, but I was I literally I think. you could see it in my body language. I'm like, this is this isn't the time. Like. >> Right. >> No, you can't even like like it made me. feel like he wasn't even listening to. me. >> You recently changed your last name. Yeah. For business purposes is how it was. presented and Jordan did not take it. well and he called you extremely. selfish. Now that you are getting. divorced, which we're about to get to. Um, was it really for business purposes.

or was that you. consciously or subconsciously kind of. taking that first step of Yeah. Yeah, it was an easy first step almost. Um, I definitely did it for business. reasons because like my name's hard to. say, Naughty Kar is so hard to. pronounce. So it made sense. I also have. a family business, we're all drapers, so. made sense, but I do think deep down I. was like, if this ever happens, it'll be. easier because everyone will know me as. Jessie Draper already. Do you think he. kind of knew what was happening and. that's why he was freaking out so much? >> Oh, yeah, like completely. And he also.

like he he likes to justify it this way, but he was like, so when I met Marciano. in the villa, we had all had a. conversation at the villa about our. names and how to spell them and they. were trying to figure out how to spell. my last name everyone as a group and I. was like, well, my last my other last. name's Draper, like you can call me that. instead. And so Marciano would call me. that. So he was like, you're doing this. cuz you want Marciano again. And he like. completely flipped it into something. like that. And I think that's why he. like called me selfish 20 times and. stuff like that. >> What is the status of your relationship. with Marciano? >> Oh, I have not talked to him in almost a.

year. Yeah, that's that's done and over. Don't worry. Um, okay, let's go to the divorce. >> Yeah. What was the actual moment you knew you. needed, okay, it's going to happen, I need this. divorce. So in the last year, I've told. him actually a few different times I. want to get divorced, but he always like. calms me down, give me a few days, let's. try to work on it. He's better for a few. days and then it goes back. Um, but what. happened was I have been in limbo for a. while and anyone that's lived in limbo. knows it's excruciating where I'm like,

I don't know if this is right or not. I. literally woke up one day and I was. like, it's such a simple thought, but I. was like, I can change this. I can. change my life. I can be happy. It's. going to be hard, but I can do this and. my life doesn't have to be this way. And. it was like something flipped and I was. like, I'm done. And I could not go back. after that. It was the weirdest thing. Okay, so can you walk me through moment. by moment of that day? Like. >> How did you tell him? How did Where were. you? Okay, so this happened that feeling.

came to me on a Thursday and I told him. on Friday, the next day. I wasn't going. to tell him till the weekend cuz I was. like, "Let's you know, I'll get the kids. out of the house and whatever." But on. Friday, he came up to my room. I was. getting ready in my closet and he was. like, "I just talked to the kids. therapist." cuz we have them in therapy. and he she thinks we need to start going. together every week with them and can. you make that happen?" And I was like, "Oh, I'm leaving you this weekend.". Like, but I couldn't say that. So I was like, "I just don't know if our if our. schedules are going to work. Like it may. work if you take them and I take them.". And he was like, "Why? The kids are the. most important thing. Like why?" And I. was like, I I want to get divorced. I.

just said it and he was like, "Okay.". And his emotions were like calm, then. mad and then he kind of gaslit me and. was like, "You're not healed enough. That's why. Like you can't love yourself. yet. So you need to figure that out. first and then you'll realize this isn't. what you want." And then he was like, um. you know, "You're you're cheating on me. again." And I'm like like it was all. over the place. And I just had to be. like, "Jordan, like I need you to know. I've thought about this every single day. for the last 4 years and this is I'm. choosing myself." And you know, we. fought a little bit but it he finally. understood and yeah. So then he finally.

understands, does he leave the room and. like do you just go about your day? >> No, he's like still talking to me and it. kind of got to a point where he was like. gaslighting me and stuff. So I finally. was like, this is how most of our fights. are. I'm like, "I'm leaving. I need you. to stop." And he literally like followed. me downstairs and I had to like get in. my car and drive off. And then did you. sleep in the house that night? >> No, I have not been back since. I've. been back to see the kids. Um. I did sleep there one night actually but. other than that I've been at a hotel. How was sleeping there that one night? Um so okay, this is where actually I. think a lot of women will relate. So I.

was in a hotel and I had a girls night. with my friends. This was maybe 2 days. after I left and we were drinking wine. and just talking about it. I was like so. sad and I could not sleep that night and. at 4:00 a.m. I was like, "I'm ubering. home. I want to be with my kids. I want. to be in my house.". I just felt so like I didn't have a. home. I was like so misplaced. And um I. went home and I just I went into the bed. and he was there and I ended up having. sex with him because he was like just. one more time, one more time and I I. told him no probably 20 times. And he I.

was like, "Okay, but if I do this. doesn't change anything." And he was. like, "It won't, it won't." And I did, but literally I'm so glad I did because. after that moment I was like, uh nope, never again. Never again. This was my. answer. >> [laughter]. >> You're like, I'm so repulsed by so many. things happening right now. >> Yeah. To get out of this house. >> and sad and I just was like I miss my. family and. but yeah, it was a good closing of the. chapter. Damn. >> Yeah. And so the next morning you wake. up. >> Yeah. and do you just get more clothes. and go back to the hotel? >> And I never have been back since to.

sleep there. How are you managing that with your. kids? Um so I will go over so they go to. school in the morning and so he'll take. them to school and then I'll pick them. up and then be with them in the evening, put them to bed and then he'll come back. and we just switch off. So I'm going to get a place soon where. we can do 50 50, but I just don't want. to take them to a hotel. Like it'll be. hard. And. this house obviously like do you do you. think he's ready to get rid of this. house? >> Absolutely not, no. But you're getting rid of it. >> I I think it's the best thing to do. Can. we talk about this prenup? >> Yeah. Because obviously season 4 we.

watch you. and every woman is like. >> [gasps]. >> Yeah. No. Like you make the money, how did this. happen? Like can you [clears throat]. explain where are you at with the. prenup? Are you okay? Are you going to. have to give him 50% of everything you. own? Where are we? So I went to lawyers. who are amazing and they were like, "Okay, it's actually valid. You don't. need a witness signature as long as both. of you have signed it, which we have.". So thank God. Um.

I don't have to give him anything for my. businesses, but I will have to pay. alimony and child support most likely. And then I might have to do some sort of. payout. We haven't gotten there yet cuz. he filed yesterday. Um so I actually. don't know the details of that yet, but. I do know like he can't take my business. or, you know, anything like that. So, I'm happy about that. >> he does he's not entitled to anything. with your business. That's a complete. separate entity. It existed before you. met him. It will continue to exist. >> never did anything to contribute to it. So. >> Right. Oh right, that's probably a. clause. Like, how much did he.

contribute? You know? >> working there, maybe, you know, but no. And when it comes to this, do you feel. like. at all resentful if there's going to. have to be a payout? A little bit. Um, Kelsea Ballerini has a breakup album. that I have been like so resonating. with. And I think there was like a like. I get had to give him half. There was. like a lyric in there. And I resonate. with that so much cuz I'm like it sucks. that like yes, I made mistakes in this. relationship too. And he does deserve. something, but all the hard work that. I've done, I've built my business up.

from the ground, me and my family. And. you just get to like get a chunk of that. like if I do have to do that. So, because we have kids, I'm okay with it. cuz I want them to have a dad who has. some some stability. Yeah, some stuff. But yeah, just it sucks. Um, how do you. feel though because you referenced at. the beginning of this episode you said. that he put in be it was because of the. cheating. It wasn't um, irreconcilable. differences, right? >> Do you think that's going to be. changed? Do you think you are I mean,

you could technically say he also. cheated. >> That's kind of why I'm willing to talk. about it now. I mean, it did get leaked, but um, because I was like, well, are you trying to get more money out of. me and that's the reason you did that? Well, I'm going to tell them what you. did then. There should be no secrets if. you're going to out me like that. So. >> How do you think he's going to react. when he hears you talking about this? >> going to hate this. And he's going to. mom shame me and say I'm a bad mom for. doing this. Which by the way, I'm not. like excited to go like expose this. Like, it does suck for our children. But. I think as a mom, what I've had to come.

to. um, terms with is that I will tell my. children about my mistakes, my affair, my plastic surgeries gone wrong, this. dynamic. I don't want my daughter to. ever be treated the way I've been. treated. And. um I just I'm going to be honest with. them and I think that it's okay to talk. about this cuz A, we're on reality TV, we can't really hide from it. We can't. have secrets when you're public. But B, like I'm going to. teach this to my children and tell them. what to avoid and what to change, you. know, in their lives if this ever. happens to them. >> And I think that's the right way to. approach it, right? Like that's all you.

can do is be honest. Is he still denying the escorts? I have. no idea. I haven't talked to him about. it in a while. Now that it's leaking, I. may hear from him about it, but I've. just I haven't brought it up with him. since. >> to be really interesting to see with the. alleged orgies and the escorts, like are. there other people in Dad Talk or that. world that were also partaking? Like. there's so much emphasis on you and and. especially just the women being these. people and and we're so focused on their.

wrongdoing. And it's like, well, what. have the men been up to? >> No, literally. I do think the rest of. the men are angels. Like Jace, Jacob, Connor, like the sweetest men. I do not. I No, absolutely not. Um I think that. Jordan it sounded like he was partaking. in some of this when I was having Jovi. is what it sounds like. And um that was. before he had met any of those guys. I. mean, you never know, but like I really. think it was like how he's been for a. while. Okay, how do you think your divorce will. impact Mom Talk and just the future.

filming in general? That's a good. question. Right now I think we're all. trying to survive. So we're like, let's. not worry about cameras, let's just get. through this storm. But I think we are. all excited to pick back up and just. like continue to tell these stories. I. mean, the fact that this is all. happening while we're down, like my. divorce, I didn't plan that. Um but I. think it also shows that I made it for. the made this decision for the right. reasons. Cuz Jordan would always tell me. like you do things for the show. Like. you're just separating from me for the. show. But I'm like, no, I did this with. cameras down. So that shows you I'm. serious. >> that conversation was filmed.

>> Nothing, no. And then he goes to TMZ. >> Mhm. And now you're here in long form getting. to tell your truth. >> Yeah. Wow, so now you when cameras pick back. up, you're going to essentially have to. you know, fill in the gaps. >> Yeah, fill in the gaps of everything. that. >> And I'm sure if we pick back up soon, too, like more is going to happen. It. This isn't over. How does it feel to sit. here and tell your story? It feels. surreal. You know what's so crazy is I I. I in season 4 I was like, I really want.

to go on Color Daddy. And I was like, maybe I'll get two for season 3 cuz I. just love you. But the timing wasn't right. It It. wasn't right and now it is and. >> Well, girl, yeah. >> [laughter]. >> We were like, but now I'm getting. divorced, so I guess this works out. >> come on 6 months ago and tried to. protect him and been like, we're working. through it. It wouldn't have been. genuine. And now I get to be free and. like tell my story, so it feels really. good. It is so. sad and also, like you said, healing of. like, yes, there's been so much damage. done from the relationship. Yes, the. fact that you are now able to look back.

and be like, that was an emotionally. abusive relationship. I don't want my. children to ever go through something. like that. I don't want to continue to. go through something like that. I need. to leave. I do think it's also a. testament to people watching of like, how hard it is to leave something. >> gosh. >> that is abusive. You just said, I've. been thinking about this, Jordan, for. four years. And when someone. sits there and is like, but why didn't. you leave? Like, go back to what we've. talked about, the manipulation, the. weight, the control, all the things. The. fact that you just A A normal situation. would be, I want a divorce and they'd. say, oh my god. Well, okay, I get It's.

like, no, you're not healed. You're not. in your right mind. It's constantly. >> have those thoughts now. I'm still like, even doing this, I'm like, he's going to. be so mad. Do I need to protect him? Like, that's my inner voice right now. How are you pushing through that and not. self-sabotaging and going back to him? Um well, he pissed me off yesterday by. filing. So, I'm like, I'm going to burn. it down. Shouldn't have done that. You're like, you know what? This is your. doing. So, is. I. >> Oh, bit like, did try to tell me cuz I. was like, I'm I'm done talking to you. We have to work through a third party.

for the kids now. He goes, "Well, you. did this. Just remember that. You wanted. this." And I'm like, I didn't go to TMZ. You did this. You started this war. Right. I wasn't going to make it messy. But now if you're going to go to TMZ, Yep. He started the online stuff. Yep. Okay. Dating. Oh. Like, what are you feeling? Are you going to. take some time before you jump back in? Is there anyone that you'd be interested. in that you have your eye on? Like, what. are we feeling? >> gosh. I I Alex, I haven't dated since I. was 20. Like, I got married at 21,

married Jordan right after. Like, I'm so. nervous. Like, I'm like a giddy. 15-year-old. Like, I'm like, how do I. date? Like, I have no clue. Okay, you. can't rush into anything. >> No, that's my mistake from last I know. I'm so impulsive. You know me already. I'm like. >> No, I'm like, from the for your first. husband to then Jordan, you were like. and it's like, I get it. It's easier to. not be alone at first cuz you're like, it's the comfort and right now you're. like, I don't want to sleep in a hotel. room like alone. No, I know. Trust me, I know. No jumping. into something too quick. >> me, I won't. I I No, I I want to date. I.

want to like not be tied down. I have my. freedom back. So, I don't want to like. jump into anything. Like, I I'm sure. I'll have guys I talk to and stuff and. like, that's where I need to like be. careful because I could like. jump into something without realizing. it, you know? But um no, I want to like. go date and have fun and like meet new. people. I don't even know what my type. is anymore. Like, who should I date? I. don't know. I know and I think there's. something really exciting about I think. the world will be really interested to. see you single. >> Yeah. Not just because it's going to be. fun for content of dating. More so it's.

like, what is Jesse like alone and in. her power and in her. mind of just like being confident and. getting back to that place that like, we. probably haven't been able to fully see. on TV. Oh my gosh. Um Chase from the. show, I was talking to him cuz he's been. divorced and he's been helping me. through this. And he said to me the. other day, he was like, "This is what. you've accomplished being held back. Like, this is going to be scary. to see what you can do. And I was like, you're right. Like. I could do anything. >> Such a good point. >> Yes, I was like I'm going to run for. president. Like he held me down. No,

literally. >> Yes, and but I've accomplished so much. doing that. So I'm like excited to. spread my wings and just be like, no I. can I can do whatever I want. No, I'm. really excited for you and I think that. even again to see the internet's. reaction being like, thank god. Like get out of here. Like get rid of. him. Let's go. Like the whole season. felt like we were just like, so you're. getting a divorce or not? Yeah, everyone's like leave that man. The. minute the show came out I woke up to. hundreds of comments of like leave him, leave him. And I just like didn't tell. Jordan. I'm sure he saw it. But I'm sure. he saw it. Yeah, but no the fact that.

this is being celebrated. Miranda said. that in the season. She's like the fact. that Oh, also Miranda like shout out. Like my friends, all of them. Like. Michaela, Macy, Miranda, Layla, Taylor, like they have been there for me so. much. I just want to give them a shout. out. But Miranda told me like this is. going to be celebrated and it has and. it's like been the craziest feeling. Even when he's trying to play dirty. Yep. Um okay. Before we go, we have to do a little. rapid fire. >> All right. >> From this season. >> Okay. Call Her Daddy is brought to you. by Tinder. Ladies, we all have the group.

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Um maybe. Do people want it? I guess. sound off. Yes. Who in Mom Tok are you. closest with right now? Macy and. Makayla. They're my best friends. I love. them. >> When was the last time you talked to. Demi? I haven't talked to Demi since the. season three reunion. You guys saw it. How do you feel about. your relationship? So, me and Demi, it's been interesting. I. wish her the best. I had a lot of issues. with her and I don't think it was a. friendship that was meant to last, but I. do wish her happiness and if I have to. see her again, I can be cordial, but.

it's just not meant to be. Yeah, that. makes sense. Um has anyone heard from. Ben since last season? Yeah, stay tuned. Yeah. Okay. Um who is currently in the group chat? Has anyone left? Oh gosh, no. So we. Okay, sorry Taylor, but we do have a. group chat with Taylor and then we have. one without her because of all this, but. not talking badly, but how we were. coordinating how to handle the film. pause. Of course. Um but no, everyone's. in it. Um what was your opinion on Harry Jowsey. coming to meet up with Mom Tok while.

everyone was in LA? Okay, well, first of. all, me and Jordan were leaving as he. came in. So I was like and Jordan hates. Harry Jowsey cuz of me cheating. So I. was like, Jordan, don't say anything. So. I was like kind of nervous, but so glad. we were leaving. Harry doesn't know this. by the way, and we talk a lot. So, I'm. sorry, Harry. >> Hey, Harry. Um but, no, I watched that. scene back and I was like, "This is the. best TV I've ever seen." The fact that. he's like, "I'm going to cry right now.". And he's so overwhelmed. It was iconic. I loved it. >> Amazing. How do you feel about how the. Unwell event and Macy's book event drama. played out?

>> I felt so bad cuz I was so excited to do. Unwell, and we ended up plot twist doing. it. So, it worked out for the best. And. Macy McHale came, too. So, it was great. Uh but, no, I had no idea because we had. talked about me hosting her book event, and then Unwell came up, and she had. text me being like, "Hey, I just need to. know which one you're doing, no big. deal." So, I didn't think it mattered. But, then when I heard how sad she was, I was like, "Macy McHale has been there. for me through so much." I think you see. me say that, and I was like, "Macy, I. would never want you to think anything. was more important than you." And it was. an immediate, like, "I'll do this." What.

terms are Jen and Whitney currently on? Um I don't think they're talking at the. moment, but I do think that when a. season comes out, you all self-reflect a. little bit. And I think that's. happening, and I think they'll probably. be able to get back to a good place. What was your reaction when Jen sent her. husband in place to speak to Whitney? It's just never a good move for the man. to be the one to like yell at another. woman. Like, even if Whitney was in the. wrong, which I don't necessarily think. she was, like, him going at her just uh. Yeah. Okay, what do you think is the. future of Dad Talk? I think it'll be.

done. I don't think it can continue. I. think the world has spoken, and they're. done. Okay, last question. >> Okay. Is there anything else that you. want to set the record straight on, clear the air on, whether it's with. Jordan, whether it's with other people. from the cast, rumors, whatever it be? I. mean, not specifically anything other. than just like remember that we are real. people with real lives, and you see this. much of our life. It's cut down, it's. edited. We film a scene for 4 hours, and. you see 4 minutes, you know? So, just.

remembering that there's always more to. the story, and give people grace because. we're all going through it right now. And just any woman that's been in a. situation like mine, like you're you're. worthy and you're enough and you can do. it. Okay, I need you to know go find out. about the orgies. >> I know literally. I'm going to hear. about it once this drops, so. >> to call you after. >> Yes. I'll I'll tell And you need to like. plug us back in and be like, "So, what's. the update on the orgy?" Do I need to. hire like a PI? Like. >> Yeah, I'll hire for you. I'll let you. know. I need. >> He's going to deny it. I already know. that.

But if it's orgies, there's many people. there and orgy parties? >> Yeah, sounds like it. I'll get your new number. We'll figure. it out. >> Yeah, we'll figure it out. Jessie, thank. you so much for coming on Call Her. Daddy. I think like hearing your story. again, I think like your story was such. a testament to yes, there is not we. can't see everything on reality TV. There's so many different story lines. It can't all fit into certain episodes. and so also there's things that aren't. given information, right? We didn't have. the information about Jordan. We didn't. know about these escorts. We didn't know.

about the parties. To get that. information now, I think gives so much. more clarity even not saying that what. you did was correct with your affair, but it gives such more backstory to what. was going on in your home that none of. us were privy to. So, I really wish you. the best. I wish the whole cast the. best. Again, I said this at the. beginning, but like this is heavy. and and some heavier than others and. traumatizing, but I think. I've met you. I've met Taylor. Like I've. met Whitney. I've met Connor. Like these.

are you know, I I've had such great. interactions with you guys and I really. hope that everyone can figure this out. because I know people love the show, but. also like the show doesn't matter if. everyone's mental health isn't okay and. safety. So, I think we're all just like. hoping for the best for all of you and. thank you so much for your time and. thinking of your kids and you during. this time. >> Thank you. Thank you for having me and. letting me finally be free and speak my. truth. >> Girl, we did it. We did it.

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