Jane Goodall: A Lasting Legacy (Full Episode)

Hello, Daddy Gang. Welcome back to. another episode of Call Her Daddy. This. week's guest is Jane Goodall. I am. freaking out. Okay, I am so excited for. you to watch this episode. Jane has. dedicated her life to science and has. made groundbreaking discoveries. She is. truly a trailblazer and has paved the. way forward for generations of women. Before we get into this interview, I did. want to take a moment to acknowledge. that I think that this episode might be.

a little different than what you're used. to on Call Her Daddy every week. I know. a lot of you come here to get to know. some of the biggest celebrities on a. more intimate level and it obviously. doesn't hurt when they spill some tea, but sometimes I think it's good to. switch it up and step away from the. conversations that we're having on. social media constantly. 24/7. And so I wanted to sit down with. someone who has spent their life truly. connected to the real world. And that is.

why this conversation with Jane is. genuinely so special. Dr. Jane Goodall. is 91 years old, the oldest guest that. we've had on Call Her Daddy. And the. wisdom that she carries is unlike. anything that I've ever experienced. Sitting across from her, I felt it. Her. presence, her perspective, it was so. grounding in a way that I didn't realize. I even needed. And I want you to feel. that, too, today.

So, I suggest watching this episode. alone. Whether you are on a walk, you're. at the gym, you're laying in bed, you're. at your home, you're at work, whatever. it be, I just ask that you give yourself. the space to really absorb what she is. saying because I promise it's worth it. So, let's get into it. What is up, daddy gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call.

Her Daddy. Dr. Jane Goodall, welcome to Call Her. Daddy. Hi. Hello. How are you doing? Well, you know, this is I'm in the. middle of a American spring tour and. it's pretty exhausting to be honest. Yesterday was super exhausting. Can you. tell me a little bit about what you're. doing? Well, what I'm doing is trying to. help people understand that we're going. through very dark times and if we don't.

get together and start doing what each. of us can to make the world a better. place, you know, the future's very. uncertain. That's why I'm really excited. that you're here today because I you. walk into a room and I can just feel. your wisdom and the things that you have. learned throughout your life. It's like. an honor to even just get to sit down. with you for an hour. Um, I love how. you're like working so hard and it's. Isn't it your birthday tomorrow? It is.

my birthday tomorrow. It's just it's. another way of you know what what do I. have to do? What's the hardest thing I. have to do is raise money for all the. different projects, you know, and people. think, "Oh, Jane must be wealthy. She. gives these lectures. She gets lots of. money." Yes, but the money goes to our. projects. Do you ever take time for. yourself? Like, are you going to. celebrate on your 91st birthday? What. are we doing tomorrow, Jane? People like. to celebrate my birthday the whole year. So, I get all these birthdays and all.

these birthday cakes. I didn't bring you. a cake today because I knew you always. get cakes from people. So, I brought you. whiskey instead. Oh, that's super. You. do you like whiskey, right? Yes. Well, you know, my mother uh she she died when. she was. 98 and she was sharp to the end, although she had Parkinson's, but she. couldn't she just didn't drink water. She said it didn't agree with her. I. don't like much water either. She.

couldn't drink wine, so her tipple was. whiskey. So, we we made a thing that. 7:00 wherever I was, I would raise a. toast to her. That is so sweet. And I. love that your mom was like, "Water. doesn't agree with me. I'm more of a. whiskey gal. What is your favorite kind. of whiskey?" Oh, I not the very. expensive malty ones. I hope you didn't. get a very expensive I got you one. that's like It's my favorite whiskey.

recently. It's this Japanese whiskey. Oh, that's very good. You'll be taking. it home today. Um, what did you do for. your 90th birthday? That's a big one. That again was celebrated the whole. year. The only thing I really really. liked was uh when I was greeted on the. beach by 90 dogs. 90 dogs. 90 dogs. See, that's why I brought Henry today. I. have not I said to you, I said I have.

not brought Henry in a while cuz you. want to be respectful. You don't know. when people are dog people are not. And. when I knew that you're a dog person, immediately selfishly I'm like, Henry. needs to meet the great Jane. Like I was. like, you have to meet him and he needs. to meet you. 90 dogs. Who facilitated. that? 90 dogs and it was in Carmel. Carmel on the sea. It was a off leash. part of the beach and everybody brought. their dogs and so I was throwing sticks. in the sea and and then it began to rain.

and then it stopped raining and it was. just amazing. It was wonderful. I like. believe maybe that's like a part of what. heaven feels like is just like you open. your eyes and there's just dogs. everywhere happy running free and we've. got a great photo of all the owners with. their dogs and me sitting in front with. the sea behind us. It's a great photo. I. love it. You mentioned you travel. 300 days a year for work. I Jane I get.

exhausted from a week of travel. Like. what is your secret? How do you do it? Well, I do it because I have to you know. I it it pro probably sounds strange to. you but I now by now being you know 90 I. feel that I was put on this planet with. a mission and right now as I said we're. going through dark times and the big. problem is people are losing hope. Many. people come up to me and say, "Well, I.

look around all that's going wrong in. the world and I I just feel helpless and. you know, so I say, well, you can't. solve the problems of the world, but. what about where you live, your. community? Is there something there? You. feel you might like you don't like. litter on the on the on the pavement or. you don't like uh they're planning to. dig up a little forest to put yet. another super mall. go and do something. about it. But you saying that you feel.

like you've been put on this earth with. this mission, like does it ever. feel like too much of a burden to carry. on your own? And how as much as you put. into it if you're not getting out of it? Like do you ever become exhausted? Well, the thing is, you know, this mission. keeps me going cuz there's so much to. do. Yeah. And if we lose hope, we're. doomed. Because if you lose hope, you. become apathetic and do nothing. But I'm. not alone. You know, the Jane Goodall.

Institute is now in 25 countries, different chapters. And in addition, there's our program for young people, roots and chuds, which is humanitarian. and environmental, and that's in 75. countries. Wow. How incredible. that you have left such a legacy that. whether you were doing it or not doing. it, it will now live on forever. hopefully. You said you said you have.

left. I'm not dead yet. No, I'm saying. if you left and stopped, Jane, I mean if. you left and you decided like it's time. to retire, like I want to just go and. relax on a beach somewhere. Like if you. decided to not do it, like that is I. feel like the test of a real legacy is. knowing that it is going to just keep. living on cuz you've like touched so. many people. No, not yet. I mean, I. can't retire as long as as long as I. can, you know, and if I become. physically disabled, if my brain works,

I want to do more writing cuz I love. writing. Your little friend sitting next. to you, what is his name again? Mr. H. Mr. age. Okay, I need this story because. I wanted to ask you, obviously, you've. had such an incredible career, but for. some of my younger audience who maybe. are becoming fans of you today or are. fans of you, can you talk about like how. you got into what you do and what you. love and also how does Mr. H play into. your story? Okay. Well, let me let me.

deal with Mr. H first. Okay, let's get I. can put him away. Mr. age was given to. me 34 years ago by a man who thought he. was giving me a stuffed chimpanzeee. His. name is Gary Horn. He was blinded in the. US Marines when he was 21. Anyway, he. thought he was giving me a stuffed chimp. and I made him hold the tail. I said, "Gary, chimps don't have tails." He. said, "Never mind. Take him with you and. you know my spirits with you." So he's.

been with me to 64 countries and he's. extremely famous and if you touch him I. say if you stroke him the inspiration. rubs off. So you asked how I got into. it. Well I was born loving animals and. the most important thing in my young. childhood is my mother because she. supported me. So when I was uh one and a. half years old, I don't remember this, but she told me, she came into my room.

and found I'd taken a whole handful of. wriggly earthworms to bed. And instead. of getting angry like most mothers, cuz. you know, she just said, she told me. later, "Jane, you were looking so. intently. I think maybe you were. wondering how they walk without legs.". So we took them back into the earth. Anyway, the point of that is that was. the making of a little scientist. Asking. questions, not getting the answer,

deciding to find out for yourself, making a mistake, not giving up, and. learning patience. And a different. mother might have crushed that early. curiosity and I might not be talking to. you now. I feel like there's so many. people that could be listening that envy. that, right? Because so much of when. you're young, you're able to flourish. based off of the environment that you. grow up in. And there's a lot of kids.

that dream of things. And maybe it's. cute when they're young, but as they. start to get old, then the adults are. like, "But that's not realistic. You. can't make a career out of that." Right. That's exactly right. When you told. people that your dream in life was to go. to Africa and to research, what was. their reaction? Call Her Daddy is. brought to you by. T-Mobile. When it's time for a big juicy. gossip session with one of my friends, I.

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the VIP treatment at. tmobile.com/benefits. When you told. people that your dream in life was to go. to Africa and to research, what was. their reaction? Well, you have have to. remember to start with I grew up in the. war started when I was five and you know. we didn't have much money. Uh my father. went off to join the army and we went to. live with my grandmother was house of.

women and me and my sister my mother and. her two sisters and my my grandmother. and because there was no television back. then hadn't been invented which young. you probably find it hard to imagine. don't you? I find it hard, but I feel. like I talked so much to my grandmother. about her life because I'm just. naturally want to know about people's. life experiences. So, if anything, I. think there's a part now where we envy.

that. And I know that probably sounds. weird where like I envy the older. generations having a much more like. simplistic lifestyle because I do think. it's kind of like corroding our brains. in a capacity. No doubt. Yeah. But. anyway, you know, so I learned from. being outside with nature, watching the. squirrels and the birds garden in. England and from books. I love books. And do you know Dr. Dittle? Yes, of. course. Well, I found the book of Dr.

Dittle when I was eight. Came from the. library. And then I used to save up just. a few pennies of pocket money. My sister. bought sweets with them. I saved them. And I found a little secondhand bookshop. and on I was 10 years old and I found. this tiny cheap edition of Tarzan of the. Apes. Well, you know, no no TV Tarzan, no film, just the book. So I fell in. love with this glorious Lord of the.

Jungle. And what did Tarzan do? He. married the wrong Jane. So So anyway, I knew there wasn't a. Taran. That's when my dream began. I. will grow up, go to Africa, live with. wild animals and write books. No thought. of being a scientist. No thought of, you. know, and everybody said, "That's. ridiculous. I mean, you don't have. money. Africa's far away and you're just. a girl." Not my mom. She said, "If you.

really want to do something like this, you're going to have to work really. hard. Take advantage of every. opportunity. And if you don't give up, hopefully you find a way." And that's. the message I take around the world, particularly in disadvantaged. communities. And I wish mom was alive. and maybe she's listening. Uh the number. of people who said, "Jane, I want to. thank you. You've taught me because you. did it. I can do it, too." I'm curious.

if you saw because it's incredible the. way you're speaking about your mom and. how impactful she was in giving you this. confidence to go forward with your. dream. Did you see your. mom living her life the way that. she encouraged you to do it? Cuz I feel. like sometimes with generations it's. like they didn't get to do certain. things. So then they're like with their. kids they're like go and do it and do it. all I wish I could have. Like was your. mom someone that got to live out her. dreams? Well, unfortunately, you know,

she had two sisters and a brother. Um, she was the third. So, the brother went. on to be a a surgeon, a brilliant. surgeon. And, uh, her older sister was. the first person to be qualified, the. first first girl to be qualified as a. um, physiootherapist. And mom was also going. to college to do music. But the war came. and her father died. And sorry, not the.

war, it was her father dying. And then. there was no money left. So she couldn't. go to college. So she became a. secretary. So she had a good life, but. not the life that she probably would. have dreamed of. So I was lucky. I for. my dream came true. Yeah. And I'm sure. there was something I mean I'm not a. mother but from what I can understand. and talking to so many women who have. children like there is something.

innately in you that you want your child. to have a better life than you have even. more experiences and more opportunities. and it's just I think it's beautiful to. hear the way that you speak about your. mother and how much she was willing to. sacrifice in her life to make sure that. you got what you needed. Parents parents. need to be supportive you know. Okay, so. you're a little boy of three. I'm going. to be an engine driver. Oh, don't be. silly. You're not going. But why not. say, "Wow, you'll be a fabulous engine.

driver. The best engine driver." Cuz you. know they won't be an engine. driver, but make them feel good. But I. bet that's what your mom and her brain. were like, "Oh, there's no way Jane's. actually going to go to Africa. There's. no way she's" and then you did it all. How often do you think in your career. were. you prejudged for being a woman and the. way that you looked and then slowly you. were able to garner the respect because. of the work you were putting in? Well, I.

think I was kind of lucky because it. wasn't a maledominated field because. there weren't nobody really was going. out at that time. Now, of course, everybody is studying animal. Back then, there were two primate studies and a. giraffe study. Most studies were in. captivity and so everybody, you know, it. was it wasn't like it is today. Yeah. And I was really lucky. I had the whole.

feel. I mean, nobody had studied chimps. in the wild. But studying chimps in the. wild, like I need. to understand from your perspective, you. weren't going into a lab. You're going. into the wilderness. You're going to be. surrounded by animals. At the time, you. had no formal training. Like, were you scared at all or did you. have any hesitations? No, I wasn't.

scared. It was my dream, remember? And. um there were there were two problems. First money always money because I mean. as you say I wasn't trained hadn't been. to college but finally got money for 6. months from an American. philanthropist. And second the it was. Tangana back then Tanzania today and the. British authorities said we won't take. responsibility. This is a stupid idea. Young girl going in the forest. In the.

end they said, "Oh, all right, but she. can't come alone." That was when my. amazing mother volunteered to come. And. that's incredible. So, so and we, you. know, our our expedition was a. shoestring. We had one old secondhand. tent between us. We had to take a cook. and we had scant supplies, but I was, you know, up in the hills every day. you.

were 26 years old. Like that is. so incredible to know that you basically. took a pretty untraditional trajectory. with your life and you took a risk and. you went for something that you know you. were passionate about. Could you give. any of my. listeners about we have a lot of young. women listening who maybe they're. thinking right now of like should I take. a risk whether it's with their career or. their life trajectory what it whatever. it be like do you have any advice in.

taking risks as a young adult? Well, I can only think of the advice my. mother gave me. You know, if you want to. do something, work hard and take. advantage of opportunity. The key thing. is you've got to know you really want to. do it. So today, you know, people take. gap years and that's really good because. you can find out is this really what I. want to spend my life doing. And also I. meet young people and they they're.

perhaps in their second year at at. university and they say, well, you know, I actually made a mistake, but I can't. change now. Well, that's the biggest. mistake because if this is going to be. the rest of your life, change now while. you can into a different um you know, different career path. It's such a great. lesson because I feel I feel like. there's two types of people growing up. Either there's the person similar to.

yourself where you have this unwavering. undying love for something that you just. know innately in your soul like I have. been called to do this I want to do this. and then there are people who are a. little lost or confused and that is also. a very normal path and they have to find. what they love and they have to find. what they're passionate about and I. think a lot of times people in that. category find themselves just trying to. do things that other people are doing. around them because, oh well, my.

friend's doing this, maybe I will do it. And it's hard to just originally find. what makes you happy. So, I love that. advice of like if you genuinely to your. core know that this isn't what you want, well, first you need to just try it to. know you don't want it and to go for it. first and then if you hate it. Yep. And. you know, there's another thing that. some women really want to be. homemakers. And yet the it's it's. getting so that they're. despised. You want to stay at home and.

you want to cook and you want to look. after your children instead of being out. there having a career and, you know, standing up shoulderto-shoulder with. your male counterparts. Well, that's. wrong, too. Because if if if that makes. you really happy then but your your. children will be happy your husband if. you have one or your boyfriend or. whoever probably will be happy and. happiness is so important.

was the king of Bhutan who made this. happiness index and it's fascinating to. see you know that getting more and more. money and more and more fame and more. and more you know doesn't necessarily. make people happy. I think that's a very. important topic that you just brought up. that I think would be very helpful for. people listening also about feeling like. you know being a stay-at-home mom in a. beautiful way. I think there's a lot of. women who are now trailblazing in.

specific industries. And that's. obviously such an incredible. accomplishment that women are even. allowed to sit next to men in rooms now. But I also think that there is no doubt. that being a mother is a full-time job. And to not acknowledge the women who are. fulfilled by that is also putting women. down in a different capacity. It is in a. different way. Yeah. And you know if we. go back to the child, if the most.

important thing for the child is to be. supported by two, three, four people who. are consistently there, it doesn't have. to be the biological mother. So I met. the chief of a Latin American uh. indigenous tribe and he said to me, he. said, "Jane, we see our tribe as like an. eagle. One wing is male, the other wing. is female. And only when they're equal.

will the tribe fly high. Jane, I just want to pause. I'm like, I. wish everyone could hear that. That's. incredible. And yet so many people don't. believe that. No, they don't. And you. know thing is there are female. characteristics and male characteristic. We all have both. But basically, we need. both. We need the the sort of more dominating. male characteristics to stand up to.

things in life that might knock us down. But we need the more nurturing. um role of the woman. We need both. We. do. And I feel like especially in the. like social and political climate right. now, the brute is is being rewarded and. people think that being tough and. masculine and aggressive is the way to. always go. And we always see the.

pendulum swing. Like once we've had. enough of that, then we will go back to. the nurturing. And if we were able to. establish a more like coexisting life, then both things could be present at the. same time. But I feel like we're going. so far to one side that then we almost. feel like we have to overcorrect and go. to the other. And it's exhausting. But. you know, it's so sad. I've lived long. enough to see this pendulum swing moving. towards, oh, we need more males. We need.

in this society we need have, you know, a masculine society to deal with what. we're going through. That's not right. It's not. And I can't imagine. the feeling it evokes in you to have. watched women start. to garner more rights only for it to. almost be taken away to the point that. we're losing more than previous. generations before us. Something I was. thinking about with your career also is,

you know, you talked about how there was. no one really. It wasn't even a. male-dominated field. It wasn't a field. And so you were venturing into this. unknown territories. Yes. Which is. exciting and exhilarating. But I'm. curious about the aspect of isolation. like in. any form and time during your career. where you're experiencing being alone in. these pretty intense moments like did.

you feel lonely or were you just alone? No, I've never felt lonely and some of. the happiest days of my life I I did. eventually get a degree in Cambridge. Um. and then I went back to GMI, you know, the chimp study, and I could spend hours. and hours alone in the rainforest, learning, yes, more about the. chimpanzees, but also about this complex. ecosystem where every plant and animal.

has a role to play and they're all. interdependent. And what I discovered was that if you're. out in a beautiful place with someone, someone you love or you know your family. or something, then it's human beings in. a beautiful environment. But when I was. alone, there was I wasn't. It was just I. was part of that world, not separated.

from it by being a human in that world. It's hard to explain and it didn't. happen that often, but when it did, it. was it was a very basically spiritual. experience. Understandably, I'll never probably. understand like the level that you're. describing of being immersed in that. world and being alone. But I think we. can all relate on some level of if you. do go watch a sunset by yourself and. you're sitting in a canyon or your.

backyard and you're alone. And when you. do things solo, there is like a deeper. connection that you have. If you take a. walk on the beach and there's no one. there, if you're in water and you're. alone, like there is being alone is has. so much power because you're really. forced to also like connect with all of. your senses. But it's so rare, I. believe, that the recent generations are. doing that because they've always got. the phone and they have Oh, yes. Yes. Oh, yes. That thing, Jane. That thing.

Could you give any advice on how can. young adults get more comfortable with. being alone? I mean, are you alone if. you're always on Facebook or Instagram. or video games? Are you really alone? No. Not really. No. Because I think. something that I envy honestly and I'm. sure there are going to be people. listening to this that it's almost like. it can make people emotional is like the.

way that you talk about this like. genuine happiness and this connectivity. you felt in your life to being at a. place in time where you were so immersed. in a world and completely disconnected. from humanity and all those things that. really bring just more crap to our lives. and moments. Yes, it's beautiful to. connect with humans, but we rarely are. alone. I feel like there's a lot of. young kids that feel like they're alone.

and they're laying in their bed, but. then they're scrolling and they're. watching other people. And so, they're. just. observing what other human beings are. doing and what other pe people are. feeling and talking about. And you're. just not actually having to self-reflect. in any capacity. you're actually just. like consuming an exorbitant amount of. content that is then like shaping the. next hour of your life and then you're. standing up and you feel depressed and. you're curious as to why you don't feel. fulfilled and it's like because you just. watched everyone else living and you.

just sat and consumed it for hours. Now. go live your life. And I think that's. what's. so incredible about your story and your. journey is how much you went and have. lived and experienced and you love life. Can you share with me the moment that. you obviously had this incredibly huge. breakthrough discovery when you observed. a. chimpanzee using tools in the wild? What.

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does that moment mean to you still to. this day? Well, it was, you know, for. the first four of my six months money, the chimps ran away. I mean, they just. vanished into the forest and I just had. to learn from a distance with. binoculars. And then one chimpanzeee. began to lose his fear. And let me get a. bit closer. And he had beautiful white. hair on his chin. I called him David. Greybeard. And on this day, uh, I was.

walking through the forest and I saw him. sitting on a termite mound. So he was. pulling out this with termites hanging. on and eating them. And sometimes he was. picking leafy twigs. Then he had to. strip the leaves to make a tool. And the. reason this was so exciting is that at. that time it was thought by western. science that only humans used and made. tools. We were defined as man, of.

course, man, the tool maker. And so when. I wrote to my mentor Louisis Leaky, he. was just so. excited. And so as we're defined as man. the tool maker, he said we must redefine. tool, redefine man or accept chimpanzees. as humans. And that was when the. National Geographic stepped in and said, "Well, Jane's money runs out, we'll. continue to support her." And so then I. could relax and really I got to know.

those chimpanzees almost like members of. my family. You have had so many moments in your. career where you've had to walk into. rooms and explain something that maybe. people had never heard before where. you're like, "No, trust me. I saw it. This is what happened." And I think a. lot of that takes, yes, having the truth. on your side, but confidence to be able. to walk into a room and do that. Like do. you have advice for women listening of.

how they can advocate for themselves in. an intimidating work situation? Well, I've been intimidated. Don't. worry. The first time I had to give a. lecture, I thought I would die. And for. the first, I don't know, it seemed. forever, I couldn't even breathe. But. nobody noticed. And so basically because. I was so terrified of speaking in.

public, I practiced and I made a vow. I. will never read a speech and I won't say. almond. And if you listen, you find I. very mean the odd um but basically I. don't. And so my advice to people is, you know, be sure of what you're going. to say. And if necessary practice like. before every lecture even if I've given. the same. one the previous week I always write.

down the point. So it's my mind is. totally focused and always remember. you've given this speech before but now. you're talking to people who haven't. heard it. So you've got to put the same. enthusiasm. Like I think there's a lot. of people that are crippled with that. anxiety of like I can't I can't I can't. like where do you internally go when you. need to push through in moments? Well, I. don't really know that first time I did. it because I had to do it. Geographic.

It was for the National Geographic. It. was to 5,000 people in the. constitution. Yes. Wow. And uh if if I didn't, you know, the geographic were paying for my field. research. I had some students by then. and I had to do it. So you do what you. have to do, right? So I knew I had to do. it. I practiced. I and and I just felt I.

can't let I can't let Leaky down. I. can't let the geographic. down. So you just grit your teeth. I. It's a bit like going to the dentist. You don't really look forward to it, but. you have to do it. You say to yourself, you know, I'll I'll be really brave and. it will be over. That's so real, though. Cuz then once. it's over, you're like, "Oh, that wasn't. as bad as I thought it was going to be.". Well, I found I could do it. You see, can we talk about the National. Geographic? You were on the cover and.

the first cover you had, there was this. intense focus first. Well, was obviously. supposed to be about the work and your. research, but there was an intense focus. around you and how you looked and your. body. What types of comments were people. making about you? Well, some of the. jealous male scientists will say, well, you know, she's just got this notoriety. and she's getting money from Geographic.

and they want her on the cover and they. wouldn't put her on the cover if she. didn't have nice legs. So if somebody. said that today, they'd be sued, right? Back then, all I wanted was to get back. to the chimps. So if my legs were. getting me the money, thank you legs. And if you look at those covers, they. were jolly nice. legs. Oh my gosh, it's so typical. though, right? Like try to discredit a.

woman because, well, she got there. because of what she was wearing and her. looks and blah blah blah blah. like it's. it's actually like the most obvious, weakest response to something. Um, how. do you. think women can flip the script and use. the way that people sexualize us and. objectify us to our advantage? Well, I. don't know. I did it by accepting that. that in a way they were right. So, thank.

you. Thank you for giving me this. advantage. that's good to give me the. money. But, you know, I Okay, I know. that for me it was a long time ago. It. was a different era. It wouldn't. wouldn't work. today. So, all I can think of is I don't. know. I mean, you'd be better to give. advice. What advice would you give? I. mean, it's hard because I think there's. a line of like how far you lean. into how much people sexualize us as.

women. And I think. that there's going to innately be. moments where you someone says something. inappropriate to you at work or a man is. trying to discredit you because your. work can't be that good. It's cuz you're. hot and because people are giving you. the position because of the way you. look. I think a lot of it in what we're. talking about and it's kind of the theme. of this episode actually just comes back. to like how are you internally good with. yourself and do you know your worth? Do.

you know your value? And are you capable. of standing in a room and as. uncomfortable as comments can be, you. leave and you don't feel like those. knocked you down. If anything, you're. able to take it, recognize the game that. they're playing, but keep it moving. because you're confident in what you. bring to the table. And yeah, you may. also be very attractive, and that's. okay. That's that's another gift. There. we go, James.

You know, I've always got on super well. with men. And um nowadays, they say uh. we're doing a photo and they say, "Can I. can I touch you?" And I'm thinking, yeah, I say hug me if you like. Like, give me a hug. Yeah. Mind you, women want to hug me, too. That's fine. Anybody can hug me. I need hugs. Okay, I'll give you a hug after this. Okay. Can we talk a little bit about. relationships? You ended up marrying a.

photographer from National Geographic. Can you tell me the story of how you two. met? Well, after after I was finding out. exciting things about the chimps and. they were getting habituated to humans, uh, the geographic obviously, you know, that's they live on it. They wanted to. make a film and they wanted good. photographs. So, they sent Hugo Vanlick. and I really didn't want him to come. I. hadn't met him because I I just wanted.

to be there with the chimps, you know. I. didn't want anybody and I was afraid. they'd be scared of him and you know all. my hard work would be undone but as it. was he came he loved animals he'd always. wanted to be out there with them his. root was photography. and we got on fine and and he you know. it was thanks to his photos and film.

that everything I was saying about the. chimps was corroborated. And so he really really helped to to. share the knowledge that chimpanzees. really are like us. They really do have. gestures and postures the same as ours. that mean the same thing. I know that. you kind of have. said previously that you and your. husband at the time drifted apart. because your careers were moving in. different directions. And I'm curious.

like how did you navigate cuz it's a. very relatable topic like navigating. deciding between work and relationships. like how did you do that? Well it ended. gradually and it ended because uh the. geographic stopped paying Hugo to come. to GMI. um he had to go on with his career and. he got some money to do films on the. Serengeti and I couldn't leave Gombi. I.

had to stay. I mean I was totally you. know I couldn't leave Gmbi and so it. slowly drifted. apart and it was sad and I think we did. the right thing but we kind of had to do. it. You know, I I definitely wish we. could have carried on with that marriage. because it was a good one. Call Her. Daddy is brought to you by Tinder. Have. you ever seen someone on Tinder that. really stands out to you? Like, "Oh my.

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favorite part of aging and getting older. as a woman? I don't think there's a. favorite part of aging, quite honestly. But uh I suppose okay if you look at it. philosophically the longer you live the. more you learn and I don't like a day. that I don't learn something even a. little thing. Mhm. And the other thing. is, you know, when you get older, you. you learn, well, I do. You learn more. about what's going on in the rest of the.

world and how to interact with people. and. basically be nice if you didn't get old. It would be nice, Jane. Um, we talked a. little bit about earlier in the episode. when we were talking just about how you. really talk so much about hope and how. important it is to have hope and I think. a lot of my listeners feel anxious and. lost right now because of what is. happening in the world like do you have.

any message Yeah. of how to stay. hopeful? Yes, I do. That's my job now. Okay. Tell us. That's my actual job. Okay. So uh you know I have my reasons. for hope. Number one I mentioned it's. the young people. So this roots and. chutes program began in. 1991 with 12 high school students in. Tanzania. It's now got members from. kindergarten very strong in university.

everything in between. More and more. young adults are forming groups. We even. get groups in old people's homes. So. it's broadened out and it's different. from other programs because because of. learning everything's interrelated. Every group chooses well that the little. ones can't choose but you know once you. get to middle school they choose a. project to help people a project help. animals a project help the environment. and they share this with each other. And.

once they roll up their sleeves, they. work very hard because they chose the. project and they're making a difference. They, you know, they're planting trees. They're picking up trash. They're. raising money to help refugees. They're. volunteering in in soup kitchens or. animal shelters. And the main message of roots and truth. which is for.

everybody. Every day you live you make. an impact on the planet and you have to. choose what sort of impact you make. So. all around the world now in 75 countries. young people are changing the world and. once they know the problems and that's. important but then you empower them to. take action in ways that they choose. they just they're just I mean I go. around visiting them and they're so full. of enthusiasm and you know so yes we've.

got to create a world where their hope. is viable. Next reason for hope is this. extraordinary intellect that we have. And note I don't call it intelligence. because if we were intelligent we would. not be destroying our home, our only. home. And sadly we haven't always used. our intellect wisely. We've forgotten. the indigenous wisdom of saying how does. this decision affect generations in the.

future? where how does it affect me now, my family now, my next political. campaign, the next shareholder meeting. We've gone into a. materialistic, very often greedy society. and we need to change. But this. intellect is beginning to tell us what. we need to do, how to do it, creating, you know, like alternative energy, for. example. I am. so honored that I got to sit down with.

you today. You and the way that you look at life is. so inspiring. And I think I will admit. like I'm a businesswoman running around. all day and I have meetings and I'm. trying to do all these things and it is. very humbling honestly to sit with. someone like you who has such the. right understanding of what we should be. prioritizing in life. And of course.

everyone has different priorities of. what will make them happy. But we have. gotten so materialistic and we have. gotten selfish and we have lost our way. and understandably it's difficult. because if you're a young woman sitting. at home watching this right now like do. you have that it doesn't feel like. there's much you can do and I think. today it's such a perfect example of. like but you can get involved and you. can do something because something that. stuck with me is like these are people. who are so happy and why are they happy?

Because they're doing something good and. they're giving back. We all know how it. feels on the most vain level to like. give a gift to someone. It's always. better to give than receive because. you're like, "Oh my gosh, I feel that. feeling can ignite something in future. generations of coming together and. making a difference because it is going. to impact my children and then the next. generation of children and so forth. So, thank you so much for taking your time. today. I know you were very busy and I'm. just honored that I got to sit down with. you, Jane. Thank you so much. I've had a.

great time talking to you and meeting. Henry. Let's make Henry come and say. goodbye. Where is he? Henry. Henry, come. Henry. Henry. There he is. Yes. Come and say goodbye. Say hi to Henry. Come and say. goodbye. It's been so nice sharing this. time with you. Oh, good. boy. Good boy. Byebye. Henry. You like. Dane? Yes. Good boy. H. We did it.