Hunter Schafer: Polyamory, Cheating & Fame (Full Episode)

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. Hunter Schafer, welcome to Call Her. Daddy. Thank you so much. Um. I I'm so happy you're here. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. Like. I just told you Not the Not the vape. coming out. vape coming out as you're like, "Thank. you so much.". is how comfortable I'm feeling right. now. So, but this means the world to me. I just have to start off and say because.

me my sister, who's you have graciously. let in this room, Love. put me on your podcast during the. pandemic and we were gagging and um I'm. just I'm so excited to be here today. you. Okay, little do you know I really. love you because I have to tell you a. story. Okay. So, I think it was a year. ago We were this close to each other and. you had no idea probably. We were in. Milan and I was sitting with. Were you at the Prada show? Yes. I do remember seeing you there. Okay. this is. Were you there? Okay. Okay, Hunter's sister's in the.

room and she's saying she saw me freak. out. Okay, this is why life is so. [ __ ] stupid because I was standing. with my videographer and I was like, "Oh. my god, it's Hunter." And he was like, "Go say hi to her." And I was like, "No. No, like that's weird. That's weird." He. was like, "No, go say hi." I'm like, "No, no, no, like I believe one day we. are going to meet in a non-like weird or. like moment where I'm like fan-girling.". That's totally how I feel about people. to like that I gag over. It's like if I. know that we are going to cuz you have. that feeling about people sometime where. you like, "I know I'm going to kick it. with this person." I'm like, "I don't.

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is like very much like the drag version. of who I am and it's like an image that. I put together to like give to the world. and and like that is not how I dress and. act in real life. And so, but like this. I feel like your podcast is very about. like. cozy. What's you we like get realness and this. is my that I I picked it up off the. floor and put a little stupid outfit. together and that's what it that's what. this is. It's really cute and I'm happy that. you're comfortable and that is the key.

here like coziness. Yes. And RuPaul also, [ __ ] okay, can I just say that interview like. face cracked me. Like that interview. impacted me so much and also I lived for. her outfit, for her give with the with. the oh my god. It was so incredible because I remember. like you're kind of talking like similar. with like Ru like presents a specific. way and has these like [ __ ] outfits that. you're like. This is what I'm talking about. Yes. And I remember when Ru showed up, I was. like, "Oh my gosh." And I remember the. rep was like, "No, Ru really wanted to.

show up today just as like Ru." And this. is what like Ru would be wearing like. around Ru's house. And I was like, "Okay." And so I love that you came just. like cozy today. Thank you. Um you just bought a new house like this. year? I heard you did, too. Okay. is it going? Girl. Oh my god. Girl. Okay, so I wait I've been looking. for a house for a few years. Now to be. to be 100% honest, I have. like I didn't grow up with it's very. it's a very surreal thing to be like.

making. significantly more money than like. anywhere where I came from like my. parent any with anything that I grew up. with. Yep. Um you know, we're just pretty regular. middle class. And now I'm like I have a. I have a lot of [ __ ] dough. And I. have no idea how to how to use it. And. so I and it scares me. And and so like. at some point I had to be like, "Okay, I. need to do something with my money." And. and so um.

yeah, I've I've been looking for a. house. I finally found this beautiful. house. And yeah, I've I moved in. when September of last year. Um and I've. started on the whole like now I'm going. to hire people to make I tried doing the. whole I'm going to buy furniture by. myself. I have no idea what the [ __ ] I'm. doing. [ __ ] hard. Are you doing that? Oh my god, I literally left it to my. husband cuz like. Your husband is You let your husband do. it? No, no. I know this sounds insane,

Hunter, but like Matt has incredible. taste. He has like perfect taste. And. I'm like now I just let him do his thing. because I'm going to be honest, I. decorated my first New York City. apartment where I first lived alone for. the first time ever. And I was like, "Watch me, [ __ ] Like this is going to. be so gorgeous." I got the couch, and. the couch sat there for so long, and I'm. like, how do you make a space look good? And I see Pinterest, and I see like even. Urban Outfitters, like the It looks so. cute, and then I buy it, and it looks. like [ __ ] [ __ ] So, then I hired. someone, and now I hired my husband to.

do it. So. Good for you. If you want, he'll come. over to help. I wish I wish I had a husband that had. amazing taste. That is not my [ __ ] case, diva. I I. like Yeah, so I I had I went through the. exact same spot of like, okay, wait, I. like you know, I look at couches, and. then I'm like, wait, but but like And. this is so I I hate It's so like. first world. Okay, go off. Uh, you know, like I look at this. amazing couch, but then like if I spend. a bunch of money on this couch, and then.

I the but then the carpet changes. everything. huh? Girl, I'm I'm like I I tried. I really. tried, and then I was like, no. So, I am. I hired um. A designer? I Yeah, so so have you seen Troye. Sivan's um AD video? Insane. So, I hit Troye up, and and he. was very gracious in connecting me to. those people. So, they're doing it for. me. Um, and I'm we're just getting started.

Everything in my house right now is. completely covered in sawdust cuz the. roof just got done, and it all came. through the ceiling. It's insane. So, you know. Okay, well, it doesn't matter because. you're leaving. No, can we talk about this? So, this is. all going to happen while I'm away. Okay. Yeah. Okay, so talk to me. You walk in here, and you're like, [ __ ] you caught me at. a great time. And I'm like, wait, why? Hunter, why? You're Tell me. Okay, what is happening? Okay, so so yes, you have caught me.

uh for this interview at very it it I've. had a [ __ ] Wait, my sister knows. this. I've had a [ __ ] crazy week. Um, so I um I got this it wasn't necessarily. an offer but but you know, people the. cat casting people for this TV show came. to me like you know, a little over a. month ago and asked if I was interested. and I initially. um and this is something we'll get into.

too is is I don't think you know, I feel. like I did TV and that was such a great. intro to acting but I'd since moving. into films I realized I love the film. format so much more because it's so it. just TV is so it's a beast. It's a beast. and so I I was really like under the. impression with myself that I was not. going to do TV again after Euphoria is. over. But um and and so I initially I I. said, "No, I don't think I can I mean.

this sounds really cool but I I just. don't think I can do it again." And then. um. and then. uh you know, and then so they went off. and they went and they tried you know, they tried casting people and then they. came back. over a little over a week ago and we're. like, "Hey, we just want to gauge your. interest again cuz we really think you. are could be really right for this." And. so I was like, "Okay, I need a meeting. with y'all to like show me really what. you're trying to accomplish." It was an.

amazing meeting and I was like, "Fuck, I. feel like the universe is like. handing me this thing right now. It's. not what I thought I was going to get. but I feel like I have to do this and um. uh can I say what it is? It's Blade Runner 2049. So so there's. you know, the initial Blade Runner from. the 80s and there's 2049 from 2019 and. so this is the continuation. 2049 in TV show format. It's very cool. Congratulations. That's like insane.

Thank you. And when you have meetings like that, when you say like it goes well, like. what do you look for to make you feel. comfortable. Well, yeah. So, like I the acting thing. this all like I was I was not looking to. be an actor. It's not what I thought I. was going to do with my life. It I still question whether it is I've. just So, this week has been this whole. process of being like. [ __ ] I have I'm being handed these. incredible opportunities on a silver. [ __ ] platter.

Right. And while it might not be why I thought. I was put on this earth to do. like this is this is what I'm being. [ __ ] called to do right now. Right. And and so, that's been like a big. processing moment and um and I think. it's really allowing me to like head. into this project and just like fully. like like just dive in headfirst and. like give myself to it, you know. Okay. I have so many questions of just. like how we got here and how you are. doing. So, you grew up in North. Carolina.

Mhm. And obviously that's so [ __ ]. different than LA. What is your hometown like? Can you. describe it? Yeah. So, well, so it's it's Alyssa is. laughing. Why is she laughing? What's so. funny? Yeah, well, you know, I so I've I I. really I'm going to be honest. I I. [ __ ] hated North Carolina. Um and uh. growing up there um being queer being. queer in the South Anybody who's queer. in the South knows it's not [ __ ]. easy. It's really culturally it's um in.

a completely different place than like. the bubbles in the cities that we live. in. Um and I always knew that I didn't. belong there and that I belonged in. these spaces where I can like be myself. and like not feel like a there's a. target on my [ __ ] back all the time. I really hated it. And like I I'm not. going to lie, like growing growing up. there like like [ __ ] me up. I have now. come to love it. because I can return there in all my bad. bitchery and like know that I'm fierce. and I don't feel like a [ __ ] nuisance.

for existing in North Carolina now. So I. I love it now, but um growing up there. it was it was tough. I did not like it. Yeah. What were you like as a kid? Like in. this environment, describe yourself. One of my like I guess afflictions with. life is I have never been able to really. help but be who I am. And And um you. know, so even before I transitioned and. I transitioned um in my first couple. years of high school, um befo- but.

before I transitioned, you know, I'm. just like Can I say. bad words? I mean. Hunter. Like yes. Yeah, please say that. Like so I'm just like this little. [ __ ] Like I and you know, I'm like a. an extremely high femme boy in this, you. know, space of like, you know, boys are. like very one way, especially in the. South. Like it's just culturally what it. is. Um and but it I mean it's one of I'm. so thankful that I have not really been.

given a choice to be anyone. but who I am. So I always stuck out like. a sore thumb. Um but I was I loved like. I have extremely artistic, um. pretty happy. I've always had like a. like a pretty easy access to like joy, um I think. Um. so like despite my circumstances, yeah, you know, I I I look back on my. childhood and despite being in a certain. amount of pain just for being who I am, I was a pretty happy kid, you know?

That's amazing. Yeah. Like if you're in. the South, you're right. As like growing. up, if you are queer in the South, like. still to this day it's crazy to say like. kids are having a hard time. Even in. [ __ ] California they have a hard. time, which is even [ __ ] crazy to. say. So when you're growing up in that. environment, I know you have three. siblings and you're the oldest. Being. the oldest, it was it hard to like open. up to your siblings or were they like. there for you? Like what was that. dynamic? I would say the siblings had. was on the easier end because I think.

they. I mean. like me and me and Hannah like we. because we're so close in age so we were. in the same schools and. and because nobody really understood. like what I was doing I think you know. we had our trials and tribulations as. siblings and we but we we've talked you. know we've moved far far beyond that now. and you know my siblings are some of the. closest people in my life now. Um but.

but at the time yeah I think it was it. was a little tough for everybody cuz no. one and not even me understood what like. I was going through and why I. stuck out like a sore thumb and you know. whatever. But as happy as you were that like makes. me sad for any kid that's like going. through something that's like. indescribable in your mind at that. point. Did you have a hard time in. school? Like what was your middle school. like? Middle school was probably the hardest. actually. You know young teenage boys are. are pretty gnarly especially when. they're confronted with like.

a like a kid who they just don't know. what to do with like with they they. don't they have no grasp of like. queerness whatever that is so it's like. it's like oh like look at this like look. at this gay kid like. they just don't know what to do with it. and so they'll be mean you know. And. and you know so that was like that was. always tough just dealing with. boys who don't get it. But I found my. cute little nerdy friend group and you.

know and that was like my first. experience of like okay if I find my. circle. I can be myself and I'll be okay. So so. that was that was cool but middle school. is also when I realized I was gay or. like at that time I thought I was a gay. boy so came out. Who did you come out to first? Um my friends. My friends. So, like and. that's the thing of like, okay, I have. this this network of support where even. if. I my parents and don't accept Okay,

these people will will get me. So, they. were the first people I told and then I. would, you know, tell my parents, tell. my family, whatever. Your parents, so your dad was a pastor. growing up? My parents are still. pastors. Yeah, so my dad is a pastor and. my mom is, you know, she's ordained to. be a pastor. She works in the children. ministry ministry in the church. Okay, talk to me about that because just. like thinking of like what you were. going through as a young kid, being in. the South and having your dad. And I grew up in the church.

How did that work out? It's it's like another layer to it all. of of And and thankfully, you know, I. didn't grow up in cath- Catholicism or. anything and I hear about, you know, people in my community who grew up in. that and it's like, oh, Hell. girl, I'm so [ __ ] lucky that I got to. grow up in a normal, even though my. parents are pastors and I'm very. involved in the church and it in like a. on the chiller side of Christianity, Presbyterian church. Oh my god, Catholicism is like. in. sane. Like you're going to burn alive. You're.

like, I am? So, there was never like this, oh, you're going to hell, but then I would. see things about just Christianity in. general where there are churches that. like believe you're going to hell. And and so there was that was this whole. complex that I had to get through to. Um, and then but thankfully when I came. out is gay to my parents, you know, I. think they I mean, I think anybody could. have [ __ ] told you by looking at me. that I was was gay um at the time. Um.

uh so that was easier. Then the trans. thing came on later on. That that was a. bit harder, but. Did you feel like not even just you as. an individual, like did you and your. siblings feel like you guys had this. like expectation around you? Like I'm. thinking like. TV shows and I'm like the pastor. Like. I'm thinking like 7th Heaven back in the. day. Like I don't know. Like did you. guys feel like you had to like live up. to this. like like reputation almost? it was there. Um and this is something.

that I definitely dealt with later on. too in life of like of like you know cuz. there's this whole like pastor's. daughter like trope, you know? And it. gets kind of tough because obviously. like what I do now is very like I mean. my first job when I had to tell my. parents that I was doing a TV show. and in the first episode I'm having. anal sex with a.

45-year-old and cutting myself in the. arm at like all this stuff. And then but. my first thought is like, "Okay, they. have to tell their congregation that. their kids are going to be on TV." And. then their congregation who are just. you know, little old nice white. Christian people from the south are. going to watch this TV show and see me. getting butt [ __ ] And. and it's like it's like, "Oh my god.". I'm like I So like. I thought To a degree I still do like.

feel bad because that's something that. they still have to deal with. You know, my movie coming out next next in in a. couple weeks, Kind of Kindness, which. I'm so excited about. My one scene in. it, I got my titties out, girl. Like. it's it's like, you know, and and I have. no personal problems with it, but it is. something where I'm like some people. just don't aren't going to get it. And. you know, that's a whole other thing. How did your parents react when you told. them like And also like how do you sit. your parents down for that? Like Is it. after the dinner table? Is it a phone.

call? Is it a FaceTime? Is it a letter? So I didn't tell them that I was in the. process in the audition process because. I really wasn't sure that I was going to. do it. Cuz once again, I didn't think. acting was my calling or anything. It's. not my plan It wasn't my plan. Um so I. didn't tell them until I had actually. gotten the job. Okay. Um which kind of left them in a. situation because it doesn't really give. them room to like give their opinions or. whatever. Um but I think they were just. like worried because.

that you know, they don't come from this. world. And sometimes I get really. jealous of like my peers in this um. in you know, this industry that do have. like family in it because. Yeah. I mean, there's pros and cons, but and. and for some for a lot of reasons I'm. really happy that my family is in this. completely separate world. But but like. the guidance part, I think that's what. they were worried about is I think they. you know, even though they didn't know a. lot about it, I think they know the. nature of this industry can be very.

intense and they just didn't want me to. get like [ __ ] up by it, you know? That's a good point and it also sucks. Like you're It's so crazy to think that. like your first [ __ ] acting job was. you from Warrior. Yeah. That is so baller, but it's also like I. get what you were saying. If you If your. family doesn't come from the industry at. all, there's also this like natural. judgment of like are you about to [ __ ]. your life up? Like. Oh my god, are you making the biggest. like decision that is going to like ruin. your whole life? Exactly. Where like other people that maybe like. are you more used to it? It's like this. is how it goes. Like get the role.

had to tell them I had to be like like. they It is I think I used the word. risqué. And I don't think. Hunter. Just like a little risqué. and. Cut to. Cut to them at the premiere like. I don't think my mom could even watch. it. Like it's you know, it's insane. It's insane. Um. You're like, "Oh my god." It's almost. like when you watch a movie with your. parents that has a sex scene when you're. younger and you're like. Um and you're pretending you're like. going to get your ice cream at the time. cuz it's so awkward. Meanwhile, you're like, "So that's me.".

Yeah. And I can't run away from this. Oh my. god, God bless you, honestly. Like that. is strength within. It's Like. It's from nuts. I'm curious though when you were talking. about kind of closing out that like. chapter of middle school, obviously. everyone needs a [ __ ] outlet of like. I am dealing with all this [ __ ] Like I. remember reading like you said you. journaled. I don't know if it was in. middle school, but like what did you do. to like feel less alone with all these. thoughts? Well, yeah, I think and it's part of.

it's just part of my nature too and I. think part of like the pressure cooker. that I sort of placed myself in growing. up in a place where I was so unhappy. with my surroundings is I I really like. devoted my my free time and like my life. to like like my art and and at the time. it was visual arts where I put all my. creative energy, but I knew that that. that is like my gift is like I'm an. artist and and it's still key to this.

day. Like I know that that's what I was. put on this earth to do was to like make. stuff. But um. but uh. and you know, at the time it was visual. arts and so I did everything that I. could to just kind of like like. like put all my energy into that and you. know, it ended up being like my first. job like in high school. My first job. was um contributing to you know, making. little watercolor comics for an online. magazine and stuff, you know. And so. that was like this is what's going to. get me out of here and get me to where I.

want to be in life, you know. Yeah. It's so even hearing you say that, it's so. hard in general being a child, but like. at that point it just sucks because like. there are so many kids that get to live. their life and be like not having to. escape and get to like go to the [ __ ]. playground and like frolic around you. being like I was trying to like use this. as an escape so I didn't have to like. deal with like what the [ __ ] was going. on in reality. Yeah. Then you get to high school. Did you. ever like talk to anyone that you felt.

like actually understood you? Well, so I mean this is the thing is. like when the trans thing started coming. up and that that kind of started coming. up with the onset of puberty, um which I. was experiencing. severe like levels of anxiety that no. like you know, middle schooler high. schooler should be going through at that. time. Um for especially around something. that's you know, quote-unquote. inevitable. Um and and I realized that.

this like wasn't normal. Um and then I. turned to the internet cuz I didn't even. know what being trans was. I had no idea. that you could there were trans people. in the world. Um. and and that's the kind of isolating. piece of like growing up in the south. nobody talks about it. There's there's. no people in my line of sight um that. like are this. Um. And and then so like I, you know, went. to the internet. I looked on YouTube and. found out like, "Oh [ __ ] you.

You can. This it isn't my destiny it doesn't have. to be my destiny to. become a [ __ ] man and grow a beard. you know, and all that stuff. And then. but then it's the whole thing of like, "Okay, now that I know that this is my. tea, I have to get everybody else on. board cuz I'm still a [ __ ] kid, you. know?" Um so that and that was harder. because. I didn't know what it was. My parents. didn't know what it was. Right. Um and and that was that was a bit. harder as far as like, you know, there. were moments of like when I first came.

out where like I told them like, "I'm a. girl." and they were like, "No, you're not." like like, you know, and but it's not it's not because. I think they've always known like deep. down but like they didn't there's. there's when when you don't know like. what it is like there's no way to like. like real. I don't know contextualize that. Right. It's like the concept like when. you say that like to actualize it like. people have a hard time especially. because like you're saying like no one.

around you guys like you could relate. to. So you're coming to your parents. with this information and like obviously. some parents are [ __ ] awful when it. comes to this. But it sounds like your. parents. And they came along. Right. They were. just like I don't understand what you. mean. Yeah. And I think they started realizing. cuz this when I with the onset of. puberty and everything is is where my. first I've dealt with mental health, you. know, for a while now and but that's. when it first started showing up is in. depression and anxiety and my grades.

started [ __ ] up and I became, you. know, kind of I was becoming a shell of. a person and I think they could see that. and then they were like. [ __ ] Okay, this is this is like we got. to figure this out, you know. Right. And that's what's like so. heartbreaking for houses that like don't. accept their child cuz it's like. What like let them be who they need to. be because you're right. Like you're. becoming a shell of a person because. you're not like who you authentically. know you need to be inside and.

everything is telling you one thing and. then everyone's like no, no, no, don't. do that. Well, I think it's out of love. Like I I. think it's like, you know, and I think. it's like my parents first reaction were. was was like that because like they love. me. They want me to be okay and I'm I'm. pitching them this insane idea that I. want to I want to chop my dick off and. become a woman. Like, you know, like. like you know, and that's a very crude. way of putting it but like just sort of. like get my point across like like and. and I think no one wants anybody.

that they love to like endure a harder. life than they have to but sometimes. that's that's the [ __ ] tea. What I. I love about you and like even sitting. here your energy is just like so. incredible and I think back to like. younger you obviously like going through. it but like what kind of like. traits, I don't know if that's the right. word, but like traits do you think like. you gained through like having to really. like endure a lot of like turning inward.

within yourself and like betting on. yourself and relying on yourself? Yeah, being trans has been one of the. great challenges of my life and it sucks. that I had to deal with it so so young. and that I live in a world that, you. know, is constantly fighting me on that. Um, and it and it absolutely [ __ ] me. up and I'm still dealing with the. ramifications of that today. Um, but at. the same time I would not have it any. other way because it has taught me and.

it's why I'm so thankful for it. It has. taught me that. like the power of intuition and kind of. like the proof that I have like a soul. and, you know, and like um, and that. there and that like all the answers are. inside of me, you know, and at least for. my truth and my life and and whatever. and and like that is like priceless and. and it's something that I use as, you.

know, a grounding force in everything. that I do in my life now, you know, so. yeah, it's I'm so thankful for it, you. know. No, first of all, like thank you for. sharing all that cuz I I know it's. personal and I really appreciate you. opening up because like when you're. saying the intuition thing within. yourself, it almost like made me cry cuz. I'm like, that is so [ __ ] real. Yeah. and so many people watching this are. probably going to like click with that. to share this stuff. It's incredible and like just sharing. your experience, like that is like so.

powerful to be like, lean the [ __ ] into. what you feel, stop listening to what. everyone else is saying. I know it's so. [ __ ] hard, but when you can start to. channel that, like we all know what's. best for ourselves. Exactly. Even. and you can even like you it's so weird. like your layers of like consciousness. and everything cuz you can totally on. surface level be telling yourself. something is right for you when in. reality deep down and you and you know. it's there but you won't look at it like. you're only looking at this thing that. you're telling yourself but deep down.

you know. You you always know. know. You know. You can try to avoid it sometimes and. you're like that's literally not. happening. you literally put yourself in your own. psychosis of like of like believing in. this reality that is not actually your. real. It's so crazy. I also appreciate like as we're kind of. just going through your life. I wonder and you could you don't need to. answer but like is it annoying sometimes. because like a part of a big part of. your life is like this this moment that. you realize like oh like I don't know if.

I'm like happy with the way that I was. like born and I want to be this way and. like I'm so happy with myself now but. like is it annoying when you're in. interviews that like like I. I've talked about this before and. want to be like I didn't want to ask you. about it that's why I was like oh we got. to high school in your life. Like what. happened in high school? Like I would. ask anyone on the show and I hope you. know like you can talk about it as much. or not as much as you want but like are. you like can we move on? Like I'm this. like. So I thought about this today because I. just recently had an interview come out.

where. I [ __ ]. This was the longest interview I've ever. done. It was two like four-hour sessions. and so I really just was I was hyped up. on caffeine. I was yapping. I was. talking about whatever I wanted to and I. did I I gabbed about how [ __ ]. frustrating it is. um to constant because like in. interviews for like. press things when I'm promoting a movie.

or something it's often times the first. thing an interviewer will will. ask about because it's what makes me. unique and they know that it'll get. clicks you know. But what's frustrating. to me about that is I'm here to promote. my work in a movie that has. nothing to do with that, and you are. just fishing for things that will get. you clicks. And that's what's so. frustrating to me about that. This. today, when what I love about this. podcast is like is that you like we're.

talking about real [ __ ] and life and. whatever, and I can't really talk about. my life in full honesty without talking. about it. And it is something I do. believe cuz I didn't really fame is. something that I'm like I've I don't. like I didn't really. I knew. what I want to do like with my life. often involves fame to some degree. It's. not something that I. thoroughly enjoy, but I do feel like I. have been put in this position.

in order to. help progress like the movement. But do you ever feel exhausted from. that? Like it's not your [ __ ] job to. educate people? All the time. All the time. And and. that's the thing I don't like talking. about like just like educating people on. like the fact like [ __ ] Google is like. like literally That's how I learned. about it, so you can you can certainly. do it, too. Um but as far as like my. experience and also helping other young. trans people who might watch this or.

watch some of my other work, which. sometimes I do incorporate my transness. into my work, you know, That's who I'm. doing it for, you know, too. Yeah, I feel like there's a difference. between like genuinely and authentically. just like speaking about your experience. and people are like, "Oh, like I like. what she said there." versus being like. "So, Hunter, in high school" and you're. like, "Jesus [ __ ] Christ.". I'm promoting a The Hunger Games. Why. are you asking me about what it was like. being a [ __ ] growing up in the church?

Like what the [ __ ] are we talking about? No, I I respect that, and I just wanted. to hear from you because I'm like, I'm. bet it's [ __ ] annoying. Speaking of. high school, did you like dabble with. drugs and alcohol at all? Were you like. pretty clean like. So, and that's something that I think. the the church thing that I'm pretty. thankful for is is I did. you know, I I would smoke weed with my. friends. And I and now I've learned to. I've come to learn I [ __ ] hate weed.

is not for me. I cannot smoke it and I. had this really horrible experience with. it like when I was like 18 or 19 or. something where I like I smoked and I. literally thought I was in hell and then. I've never done it again. So, I'm like. really off of it. Uh that's the only. thing that I kind of dabbled with and. then like, you know, drinking here and. there but never really getting into it. That's been more of like a early 20s. thing, you know. You need to be like in your room. like by yourself or that could be scary.

or with one friend that you trust and. like ease in. Yes, cuz that's my thing with weed is is. like cuz some people can just smoke and. just like kiki and [ __ ] that is not how. it like when I have smoked weed in the. past, I become nonverbal, I'm on the. floor and like a creature like that's. that's just when I have smoked, that's. what that's my tea, that's what I get. terrifying. And and you can't do that around. especially people you don't know, then.

you like psych yourself out and. Like Hunter, you're like. Yeah, I'm just. Like. no. And also they're like it's weed, like. it's not that deep and you're like it is. that deep. It is that deep. I think weed is one of. the most psychedelic drugs. on on the [ __ ] planet. I mean, that's. a stretch but like it's it's it's I. think it is very psychedelic. Um okay, let's talk about Euphoria. Call. Her Daddy is brought to you by eBay. This is what you do when you have high. standards and fancy all the fancy things. like a Dior saddle bag or that diamond.

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let's talk about Euphoria. Okay. I think. I read somewhere but like I don't know. if you've ever actually like told the. whole story like on a show where I can. hear you. Tell me the story of how you. got the role and like how it all came to. be. Um I I was taking gap year, okay? Um and. modeling in New York at the time. I got. scouted over Instagram, blah blah blah, I go to model, I'm like, I want to make. some money. That's not what happened, by. the way. But uh I left modeling in debt. Um but uh You can dream. That's another That's another story. Anyways, I'm doing like my model gig, um.

and you know, right as I'm getting ready. to like like go to college, um cuz that. was my plan. I was going to save up. money, whatever, go to college. Um that. then this casting call comes about, um. and I see it floating around on. Instagram, and then my agency tells me. that they have asked me to come in. And. so this happened with There were a. handful of trans girls working There's a. lot more now. There's like a handful of. trans girls working in modeling at the. time. We had all gotten asked to come in.

for this for this um audition. And I was. really like, I don't know, cuz it's like. trans and like and it's, you know, not. written by a trans person. I'm like, I. don't know. And then uh but I I go in. cuz they really want me to and cuz I'm. like, okay, let me let's just like see. what this is about. Um. and I went in uh. and by the way, I've no acting. experience. I've no idea what I'm doing. Um so I get in and the the great thing.

is that they essentially just wanted me. to play myself. Um so I got to basically. just like be myself with lines. And I. think that whatever with that was it. worked for them, you know, so I keep. getting callbacks, callbacks, callbacks. Um eventually they fly me out to LA for. like a final audition um in front of all. these HBO execs in this crazy room. And. then I find out later that afternoon. that um I got the role. And you know, and I was still teetering on like do I. this is was not my plan. And this.

changes everything. And I have to be completely honest then. I saw. the the paycheck the the the in per. episode and I was like this is more. money than I've ever seen in my whole. entire life. I I don't think I can say. no to this. Um. um And and frankly at that point I had. also read more of the episodes. I really. liked the show, you know. So it's it's.

like it's a combination of those things. Um and um and I really liked the uh. showrunner Sam. Uh we had had really. good meetings and I was like, "Okay, I. feel like and it's the same thing that. keeps happening where I'm being handed. this thing. I think I have to take it. Um and so I did.". It's so crazy that like you had no. interest in fame. And obviously like I'm. assuming like once you took the show, you guys didn't know it was going to be. like what it was going to be. So.

Well, I think we all knew it was. something special when we were making. it. Um we all like we loved the first. season was so magical. Like we we all. loved it so much. Um and we still I mean. we still like we look back on it as as. like wow like like we all got to grow up. inside of this thing together. It's. really special. Um. Um but yeah, I didn't we didn't know. that it was going to become what it did. Yeah. Can you like. take me to that moment where you're like.

realizing like the show's out, fame is. happening, everyone knows your name, like. Yeah, it's one of the most surreal. things I've ever been through because. it's um because. you're still the same person. So, I'm. still the same person, but then the. entire world's relationship to you. changes like that. Um, and it was I'm. not going to lie, it was really it it. threw me for a [ __ ] loop. And thank.

God we all the cast and I came up in. this together and we were able to like. like lean on each other in this just. like really surreal experience. Um, uh. because I don't know how I could have. [ __ ] handled it if if um. if I didn't have them. And you know, Like particularly Z, um who's one of my. best friends in the world to this day is. an um. And and she, you know, thankfully she. had had some experience with fame. already and um and we were really close.

by the time we really like kind of, you. know, fell in love with each other as. friends in the first season and she was. able to help me through all of that too. But it was very surreal. And I wouldn't. say I had no interest in fame because I. knew fame could. get me. the things that I wanted to do in life. and I knew that could be a tool, but. it's not like I had any person and I. still don't really have any personal. like. I don't personally gain anything from. it. If anything it's just like made.

existing in public a little harder as a. socially anxious person. But like um. but it's a it's an amazing tool to like. get what I want and to make what I want. happen, you know? No, it's so interesting you say that. because I. people always say like, "Oh, people. think they want fame and money but if. you just hand them money then they. actually don't even need the fame. That. that part. Right like [ __ ] if if I could walk away. from all of this with the money and and.

not have Oh. Right. Life would be Right. And some people like it like I get that. but like. Yeah some people do and some people are. meant for it. Some people were like like. you this is what you were supposed to do. diva. Do you have a moment where you were like. found yourself like very overwhelmed by. it all and you like were shutting down? Um so I I remember some of the first. moments of getting recognized in public. happening. Um like I think me and Barbie. were at a cafe and you know the first.

like four episodes or something were out. and it hadn't really started. Um. but then um. but we're just at a cafe minding our own. business and and then we have people. start coming up to us and it's the first. time this has ever happened to me and I. and. it's just really surreal. And then I. think the moment that I really realized. things were changing was I was in New. York doing press and it's one of those. interviews I forget what it's called but. it's like it's like kind of public.

because they do the interview in this. like corner glass. Oh like the Today show vibe where it's. like. show. But like people can see you. People can see you from the inside. And. and you know so I walk in to do this. interview and everything's kind of. normal and then by the time I come out. from doing the interview a crowd and. paparazzi have amassed and then. we get followed around. and my my mom is there with me too and. we get followed around by these.

paparazzi for the rest of the day and. just coming from what I come like and. it was I like I couldn't [ __ ] process. it and it was it's it's scary cuz like. getting followed and having people. scream at you and stuff, it's it it puts. you in like like a fighter flight like. it's like like cuz you know you you can. understand on a surface level what's. happening, but your body doesn't know. that. And you feel like you're in a cage cuz. you're like, "Well, I can't open my car. door.".

Exactly. And so you're just kind of like, "I'm. sad.". Yeah. Is your mom like, "What the fuck?". I think I mean my mom was great cuz I. think she knew that I was really. overwhelmed, so she was just there for. me. But I think we both at the end of. that day had were were just like, "What the fuck?" Like. Yeah. And and then, you know, it's kind. of never been the same since. Well, and I appreciate you sharing like. you're like, "I'm a socially anxious. person." So like naturally this isn't. something that I'm like, "Uh let's go.". Like how do you in moments where your.

life is feeling too Hollywood? Like how. do you come back to being like Hunter. yourself, not like Hunter Schafer like. Prada, Vogue, all the things. Yeah. And it's taken a while, but I've. I've created this dichotomy between the. Hunter Schafer that I give to the world. and then like. Hunti, who that's what my friends call. me and everything. Like like those are. two different people. And so. like she the famous Hunter is kind of. like my drag and having those be.

separate is so. important for my [ __ ] sanity. Yeah. Um and it's also I have. um it's one of my greatest gifts in this. life is I have wonderful, wonderful. friends and family. Um and and they're. people a lot of them have been around. before I got famous and so they know me. and and, you know, don't really can't. really project my drag onto me. Like. they know me for me. Um and uh um and so having them there is.

just like a priceless. Yeah. That's amazing that you've like been. able to figure that out pretty quickly. cuz that takes some people like a really. long time. was not quick. Right. Okay, well, even though like you don't. think it's quick, some people literally. get to the point where like at the end. of their career they're like, "I should. have like disconnected more." And I do. think thank god you have your friends. and family that are like, "You're Hunty, [ __ ] You don't forget it, okay? We're. going to treat you like you're just. Hunty and you're not Hunter Schafer and. we're not going to treat you different. because. Exactly.

that causes people to become monsters. that they're like, "Do this for me and. do this for me." And then you're not. even a real human, you're a robot. No, you're like yeah, it's it's it's. psycho and it's sad to watch cuz it you, you know, we we do watch it happen to. people sometimes, yeah. Obviously, I have to ask, is season 3. happening? Like, what are we doing? Girl, um you know, obviously, I. like the reality is I have no idea. [ __ ] idea what's going on. Um and you. can ask literally all of the cast. Um. and it's um.

you know, it's I mean. here's the reality is that a lot has. happened. Um but at least for me and. knowing where the rest of the cast is at. and everything. to I mean, a lot has happened. We have. had um. and it's hard to talk about, but um you. know, we've had deaths. Girl, going to get emotional talking. Um. and um.

it's um I think everyone feels a certain. um. sense of. Oh, girl, sorry. Oh, it's okay. Um anticipation um. for like if we are supposed to do this. season 3, if like. um obviously, I'm still. coming to. qualms with what's happened um. and losing people that we uh.

really loved and were a part of this. family and everything, you know? Um. and uh and I think season if we do go. back it's um. uh it's that's going to be tough. I mean and I think there's a world in. which we can channel that into making it. a beautiful season 3 if it is supposed. to happen. But I think you know, that. [ __ ]. really threw everyone for a loop. So and. on an emotional level and then there's.

you know, all these you know, industry. whatever political. things that are that go into whether or. not this is happening, but that's. emotionally I think where a big part of. what's. happening too, you know. Uh um. I'm so [ __ ] sorry and like. it it. clearly like you were obviously so. close. When you even talk about the. cast, I'm just so sorry because like. when you talk about like this rise, like. this is this became like your family.

Yeah. Like these are people that you were. like, "Fuck, I don't know how to handle. this. None of us know how to handle. this. Let's all lean on each other." So. like I can't imagine and I'm so sorry. and like. Thank you. there is no right or wrong whether you. guys come back or don't. Like it's been. one of the most incredible rides and you. guys have done such an incredible job. and like thank you for giving your life. to something that has like really. brought so many people like. entertainment and happiness and like. there's a lot of themes that I think. people have like loved that are very. progressive and have just like helped a. lot of people. So whether.

it comes back or not thank you. We love you all. Thank you. support you. Thank you and thank you for being being. real with me. Let me give my emotional. teasing whatever cuz it's still I'm. still. Of course. it, girl. It's it's crazy. Grief is a [ __ ] and it's not. linear and some days you'll see a. picture and it will remind you or like a. thing in the street and you're like it. It'll hit me on the [ __ ] toilet. I. don't know where. It's just like you. know, it's it's it's crazy. know. Call Her Daddy brought to you by the. original Peacock film Bridget Jones: Mad.

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You Rather. Would you rather wear. Euphoria-style makeup every day for the. rest of your life or never wear makeup. again? Never wear makeup again. Easy. No No. shade to Euphoria makeup. I just am a. no-makeup girl. Love it. You're gorgeous. Um okay, would. you rather send a nude to the wrong. person or accidentally send a sext to. your mother? That's insane, Alex Cooper. That's such.

a [ __ ] crazy question. Um. I would Well, it depends on who's. getting the nude um because like my. friends and I, like we we get you know, they see me naked. It's it's no big. deal. But what if I [ __ ] send it to. my mom? Then that's might just be as bad. as the sext. Um. You know what? I think you know, my mom. has seen me get butt [ __ ] on. television. I think she can handle.

an accidental sex and we can recover. from that. I love that. That just says so much. about you. What would you do? Honestly, I guess you I was going to say the nude, but again it depends who it's to because. if like I'm looking at you I'm like like. if like accidentally send it to an ex. I'm like. Yeah. But right, that's. you know, yeah. bad. But if it's to like a co-worker or. like a producer and executive no, ma'am. Absolutely not. I think my mom depending. on the level of the sex. Like if it's.

like a choke on your [ __ ] situation, um. I'm like mom. I just sent you a crazy question. I wrote it. I'm like what is wrong with. me? for both of us that we never have to. deal with that. Me, too. Me, too. Um what is your. opinion on sexting? Um it's. Like I've tried. I've had I've had cute. moments with it. Never It's never ideal, I would say, you know. exac- It's for me personally. I don't I.

personally I hate texting in general. Um. I If you If we need to If we're going to. talk, FaceTime me. You know, I'm a. FaceTime girl. Uh so the texting. Have you ever reused a nude? Absolutely. The best. Absolutely. Perfect use of your time. You're like. "Ooh, let me go into the storage closet. Let me pick out which one I'm loving. today.". library, you pick it out. Yeah, get that. [ __ ] out there. Okay, here we go. Yeah. Drunkenly hook up with a friend who you. know has feelings for you and you don't.

have feelings back. or you have to get back with your most. recent ex for a month. Um so okay, actually, you know what? No. Like I So. I My friendships um especially a lot of. my I I I come from a lot of lesbians in. my circle. Um, and I don't know how many. lesbians you've talked to, but most of. everybody has already had sex with each.

other and probably will again. And that. is very much the case for me and my like. like lesbian friends friend group. Um, so that would probably be no problem if. that happened again. you ever hooked up with a friend and. regretted it? Mhm. Mhm. I don't know. I don't really. regret. too much. Um, no, I mean there's I've. definitely like drunkenly done things.

where I'm like, "Ooh, girl, like that. like like. that didn't need to happen." But it's. not no no shade no no nothing, you know. Yeah. What is going on in your dating life? Are we single? Right now? Are we dating? No, we are I am single as [ __ ]. Okay. Um, Are you loving it? I am loving it. So, yeah, so I mean, you. know, like I think it is perfect for. what I where I'm at in life right now,

um, cuz especially given this past weeks. stuff where I am about to undertake this. enormous project and the last time I did. it, you know, I was in my first. relationship when I first started. Euphoria and um, I didn't know going. into it how much of me it takes and I. really live in that world when I'm doing. it. And and you know, like that. relationship didn't end up working out. because I just had no capacity to like.

do a relationship. So, I think it is so. perfect that I am single as a Pringle. right now, um, cuz I get to just dive in. head first into this. Um, but. um. but um, yeah, my last relationship was. like. how long it's where we've we hit the. year mark a little bit ago um, since we. broke up. So, yeah. Do you prefer someone in the industry or. not in the industry? Um, it's not really a I mean.

this is it's still tough and I still. like don't totally. know, but you know, cuz I've done both. um, and uh, it they both are really nice. for their own reasons because obviously. and I have this with my friendships, too, where like I my job and my life. that I live requires me to be on standby. all the time. I found out that I'm. spending the rest of the year in Europe. like not even a week ago. And and and and you know, it's like it's.

hard to maintain. relationships. relationships and so the people that. have stuck around in my life know that I. operate on this level where like you. know. and and it's all like my best. friendships are like this where like we. can go a month or however long. and not talk and then when I when I come. back or when they come back, we can pick. right back up where we left off. That's. how I operate in my relationships. I. like it's just how it is right now. Um. and uh, and so.

yeah, like with the relationships, too, it's it's like it's it's nice. dating other people in the industry cuz. they also work like that. Right. So, they get it. Like they're. like they're not going to be annoyed. that you're like leaving for a certain. amount of time. Where someone. Well, I have friendships end because. they're just like, "Girl, like. you like what's going Where are you?". Yeah. I'm like, "I have work.". Yes. Yeah. Okay, what is the best first date. you've ever been on? Best first date I've ever been on. I.

So, the date like dates is like. not real I'm just now getting into like. the era of my life where like I'm an. adult and I feel like more like. the the idea of someone asking me on a. date or me asking someone on a date like. a first date where you go to dinner and. you like get to know each other. Like I. haven't done a whole lot of like a lot. of like my previous stuff is like we. start out as friends or random hookup. blah blah blah blah blah. Um and then it.

turns into whatever it is. Um but I. would like I would like the dating. thing. It sounds fun. Did you go on first date with your. husband? It was like the best first date I ever. had. Which is annoying cuz I hate that. Like I feel like some dates could be. great first dates and then they like. turn out to be [ __ ] [ __ ] It turns. out that he wasn't a dick and he. actually was a lovely guy and I ended up. marrying him. Um but I've had good first. dates but I've had awful first dates.

before. I also think like it is more. normal sometimes to just like go from. friends and then all of a sudden you're. just like hanging out at your house, your apartment and like that's fine too. Have you ever had it where like after a. first hookup you're like oh my [ __ ]. god the chemistry was so insane. Like I. must see this person again. So you've. had that before. Absolutely. Yeah. And that's that's. tends to be when those like what will. turn into a relationship. Yeah. Okay, who is currently your celebrity. crush? Oh god. Oh god. Um let's see. Who is.

Not offensive to say? That you want to. run into next week? Oh no. Um let's see. I don't think I don't know. I can't like. Actor? I'm I'm trying to think. Musician? No. Well, I have a type. And musicians I. I love a musician. I've dated a couple. now. Um. I think I've seen that. I think I've.

seen that. a few now. Um I a musician. One with like long hair, one with like. short hair. You know, it's like the little sucker in. me that's just like oh my god, you are. so charismatic and you will. play the guitar, whatever, and I'm like. goo goo ga ga. It's. Has anyone ever written you a song? Yeah. Hunter. Yeah, oh, and and trust me, they know. what they're doing, too. They know what. they're doing with that. And and but it.

it works, Diva. Oh my god. Like on the guitar, just like sitting on. the bed? You know, yeah, or or like, you know, send it to you and you know, like, you. know, yeah, it's it it works. I have fear for anyone who who has this. happened to them cuz you're you're done. you're gone you're. You're done. If you meet another. musician, do you think you're going to. like, I have to break the curse and the. pattern, or you going to go back? Are. you talking to any musicians right now?

Like, if you find a musician that you. like again, Yeah. are you going to just go right back in? Girl, I mean, no, so like the thing. that's tough with musicians, or at least. in in like my line or like with. successful musicians who are like doing. tours and stuff is is is like it's I. mean, and it's I guess it's the same. thing with actors where they have to go. off for however many months and tour and. and then I'm working for how it's like. it's very hard. So, I don't know if that. is like in my path again cuz I've done.

it and I've tried it and really tried to. make it work and it's just very hard and. I don't have at least at this point in. my life I don't have the capacity to. like. Okay. figure out how that works. Maybe. someday, though. We'll see. Do you like how I like let you off the. hook? I'm like, okay, you don't have to. answer. I'm like, I really wanted to give an. answer, but it's like. You'll tell me after. Do you fall in. love easily? So, I I like falling in love is like so. like. it's so I'm still like figuring out like.

what it. means because I've been in love with. people who are like. still some of my best friends to this. day and um and like we were definitely. like in love at that point but. it's changed in its nature and I still. love the [ __ ] out of this person but. it's not like. that infatuation thing. So, I feel I. it's There's a part of me that's like, "Is being in love like just a deep. infatuation and then like that sort of.

subsides and then it just becomes like. you just love the person?". I don't know. It's sort of funny. But, I. also I know what being in love it's like. a whole body like You know, right? Like. But, I think that makes sense. I think. you're like at that point in your life. where you're like experiencing these. relationships. through it enough now. Yes. But, like you may find someone at. some point that you're like "Oh.". Yeah. Wait, that is different than. infatuation.

Right. Right. That's when you'll know is when you're. like, "Oh, wait." Cuz love for me when I. was younger like it really I went. through a point where it was just. infatuation. Then I was like, "Is this. love or is this infatuation?" And then I. think when I met Matt, I was like, "Oh, this is like. different.". Yeah. With my past relationships I've. been like. it we were in love in love. Like, I know. what that is. Yeah. Yeah. It's confusing. You know. what I'm saying? it feels different with every partner. also. And I also don't believe in like one. true love necessarily. I completely agree. Um how do you handle.

when people like public opinion on your. like romantic relationships? That is something. that I have learned. Um so, my last relationship was my first. public relationship. Um. I don't know if I'll ever do it again. At some point when you're doing it it. gets. just too hard to. Yeah. to like I mean you can try to hide. but like whatever. But I'm also I've. I've also come to this point just with.

fame in general where like people are. going to say what they're going to say. and I really don't give a [ __ ] Um. cuz like you know I get called a man. hundreds of times on the internet every. single day. It's like it's like I'm I'm. so used to like the just [ __ ] idiots. just like saying. Shut up. [ __ ] all the time. So like it's you. know on one hand it's like. I don't care and then on another hand. it's like. if you don't like obviously.

a relationship is is like personal and. private and and like you should not be. you need to eliminate as many factors. that are going to make it. Facts. more complicated than it needs to be if. you can. So I don't know. I'm it's. something when I start dating again or. something I'll I'll. Well I think it's interesting too like. you said like this was your first like. public relationship and I think there's. pros and cons where you're like finally. we can just like be and like we can go. into an event together like as we would. want to naturally do but then you're.

like people are taking pictures and then. people are staring and then when you. break up someone like me is asking you. about it and then you're like Alex don't. ask. Well no I'm excited to be talking about. love and everything like it's not like. it's not like things that I don't want. to talk about necessarily like I've I've. learned a lot and something that I. really love about all my relationships. is I like you know even if like. bad [ __ ] has happened in them or. whatever or they have like [ __ ] me up. to some degree or something that they. have all I all I feel like all of my. relationships I've come out knowing that.

it taught me something about myself and. about people and that's like I feel. really thankful for that you know. Absolutely. I feel like that's like the. best takeaway from any relationship. anything in life even if it's not. romantic. It's a friendship it's a work. relationship. I was when I was. researching you. Um I was reading. something where like your former. co-heart co-star / relationship. Yeah. He kind of like talked about like his. need for like to get out of like his. codependent tendencies. Yes. I'm sure you read this.

Yeah. Were you on the same page? Like is a. breakup like where you're like. blindsided or like were you okay? Like. Yeah. So so like he he said that um and. but that that breakup um was uh it was. like a mutually like it was a mutually. agreed upon and it was it's one of the. cleaner breakups breakups I've had of. like. we both recognize that this is not. working and we can't do this. We got to. go our own separate ways and uh it was.

so so hard cuz we really we really loved. each other. You know, and he's he's a. really special person and I love his. soul and everything and. by no means was that really that was a. it was messy, you know, Yeah. but uh. it was a clean it was a clean. parting and um and he has a lot to work. on and I also have a lot to work on like. and and like and so I think that's also.

why I'm in this like era of like I'm. going to I got to figure my [ __ ] out. because that was we had a really good. thing and but there there were things in. our own. selves that had nothing to do with each. other that kept coming up in the way of. the relationship, you know, so. 100%. What are you like in a. relationship? Um I think it's different for every one. Like it's really different with every. kind of person too cuz I've been I used. to.

exclusively date not men. Um. and uh and this is this last. relationship was my first. relationship with a man, a cis man, you. you. Um and uh. um, and so in and it's it's different. It's very different than the like, uh, dating I've dated trans women, I've. dated uh, trans men, I've dated cis. women, and and all of it, you know, I've. kind of been around the block and it. changes it like it the transness is.

really. interesting cuz everyone interacts with. it differently. Everyone has their own. like, you know, like like way of approaching. it and I have my own way of approaching. that relationship with that kind of. person. It's it's it's it's interesting. It's a sort of like code-switching. Yeah, no, I'm I'm excited to like talk. about it. is interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm so thankful for my first. relationship. Um, uh, and I've talked. about this before too. Um, it was with a. trans woman. Um, and, uh, and it was my,

um, entrance into, um, sex, romance, all. of that stuff. Uh, all all of those were. first in that relationship and it was. with another trans woman. Thank god. Thank god. Um, and I'm so thank And. we're still friends to this day too. Um, uh, that, uh, you know, she kind of like showed me the. ropes because, um, you know, dating as a. trans person is. it's com- it's complicated, let me tell. you. It's it's it's not easy. Um, and to.

know in my first relationship and in my. first like really being in this mutual. love thing, um, you know, first time. having sex that I got to do it with. somebody who completely understands my. gender. It's incredible. and sexual uh, I'm so thankful for it. Um, and and that's and so I'm really. thankful that I started out with other. trans people because. there's there's sort of being trans or. having trans people in your life,

there's a lens that you sort of. acquire and and it's something that like. ignorant people who have no idea how to. how to. like engage with trans people or think. about trans people, they don't have the. lens that allows them to see whatever. person as the. gender that they are presenting as or. whatever. And this is a lens that you. acquire as you like, you know, spend. more time with trans people and. everything. And so like knowing that. that lens is there with whoever I was.

with, Amazing. Amazing. And then it's interesting. branching out from there into like cis. people, um cis women or cis men, where. I'm not sure that they have the lens, even with hookups or whatever. And this. is an a constant anxiety I've had with. hooking up with like cis women or. something is that. I'm worried, especially also cuz I'm. pre-op, that. maybe are they seeing something in me. that I. that is not part of what I give or.

something and they might want. And I've. had hookups before with like cis women. where. they've wanted me to like [ __ ] them or. something like a like a guy. And it's. because I have a dick. And like that's. like. and then like that coming up in a hookup. and being like, "Oh god, like. it's tough." But then you will find cis. people who do know and and just get it. And that's what was so amazing about my. ex-boyfriend was from the get-go.

Never never a [ __ ] He saw me exactly. for. who I was, which is amazing. It's amazing too. I appreciate you. describing this too because like. It's kind of hard to. like I'm I'm keeping up with you because. what I First of all, I'm so happy for. you and I know everyone doesn't have. that experience is like the fact that. you were with someone you felt so safe. with and you were like, "Oh, you get me. because we're similar.". So it's it's a privilege to come across. people in romance and sex and dating.

where where that lens is there. If someone understandably is like, "I. don't know like what you want." And they. come to you like vulnerable of like, "I. really like you." Like, are you open to. like. That's such a turn on. Oh my god. Like tell me what you want. They are coming cuz they you know, it. put it puts their intention on the table. of, "Oh, I like you. I do want to do. this with you. I'm just. I'm just a little inexperienced here.". Love that. Love that. Amazing. It's It's.

when they don't and they don't know what. they want or they want something that. I'm not capable of giving, then it's. like sticky and gross. So, your first relationship with a guy. like just like a guy that was. first monogamous relationship. Everything else had been polyamorous cuz. that's what I came up in. That's how I. learned relationships. And I kind of. touched on it before, I've I had like I. had built up a complex against men. Understandable. like because most if not all of my. deeply painful experiences I've had in.

life have been with men. And so I really. like. came into this complex of I never want. Yeah. to let a man that close to me in my. life. I don't see a world in which it's. possible. Really, I was kind of. um like it it was you know, my ba- I put. up walls and and kind of been had been. denying denying the fact that I am. attracted to men and I do want to date. and whatever.

Yeah. men and that that's okay and I need to. let my walls out. And so that's what was. so amazing about my last relationship. too is also and that's kind of what was. cool about the public aspect is this is. a straight guy who is in the music scene. too and and and um and we are in a. public relationship. He's dating a trans woman and he's he's. completely straight. He's only dated. this women before. And he's toting me. around, happy to be my boyfriend in in.

front of the world. And people are. saying horrible, nasty [ __ ] because. because it's like, oh, you know, oh, you're so he's gay. He didn't He didn't care at all. And. that was something that really showed. me, too, where I'm like, okay, you. really. Yeah. You see me for, you know, and you love. me for that. Did you guys have conversations before. going out in public together? Like, were. you anxious at all? I was anxious, but I was also just head.

over heels in love and happy to be doing. it. And, you know, it Conversations. absolutely should have been happening, but also I was like 22, 23. I didn't. care, you know, I was just like, oh, I'm. in love. I love this person. This is. so much fun. You know, whatever. Um, so. it should have been a thing, but it. wasn't. But I think also just to. And listen, like, I like I've said all. these amazing things that have. He's not perfect. And and it's no. secret. It's out there in the world. Um,

you know, and it's part of why the. relationship ended is is I um I got. cheated on for the first time. And he. and he said he's talked about this, too, like in his song, you you know, he. writes about it. So, it's it's it's fine. to be talking about it today and it's. like part of my truth, but that like. fundamentally changed me as a person. And it was this whole process of like. realizing that cheating has nothing to. do with you. At all. Oh my god. and it has everything to do with that.

person and whatever kind of pain they're. in or whatever they're dealing with. It's it's all that, but it's so hard. say cuz in the moment it feels like it's. all about you. You're like, what did I. do wrong? Yes. And then eventually I love that. you're obviously like a year out. You're. clearly at that place where you're like, I can You know that and you're saying it. with confidence. But in in moment you're. literally like, oh, yeah. And and then. as a trans woman also with a man who has. never dated that before then it's your. my my mind you know and I knew it wasn't.

the truth and and we both know that I I. have no doubt that it is. help it your brain goes there. because of the way I've been socialized. as a trans woman. like and and it's been this like crux in. my life of like why I life has been so. hard sometimes I'm like oh my god like. is this it like am I just am I just not. like. like you know but so it's cuckoo. bananas. How did you find out? Um so I I kind of knew you know you. always you always kind of knew Yeah the.

gut um um and because I kind of knew I. went into the phone you know. Hunter welcome to the show. Which I'm not I'm not proud of. I'm not proud of either I've done it. before but the amount of people that. have sat here and been like it's it's. [ __ ] normal because when your. intuition is like hitting you in the. face you're like okay fine I'll look and. the reason you're looking is because you. [ __ ] kind of know something. Yeah yeah and this stuff it makes me so. nervous to talk about this stuff because. I really I've no interest in letting the.

public into what happened and everything. I absolutely I want to make this very. clear I have absolutely no [ __ ]. desire to like like because what. happened with that was between me and. him and and I want to keep it and I want. to protect that but but at the same time. I'm also like I'm here to I'm here to. talk about my truth and whatever you. know. And he wrote a song and like yes and I. agree with you I also think like. I wish people knew sometimes like.

you some things like are super deep in. the moment and then when you're having a. conversation like there's no ill will. you've literally said like you were in. love with this person and it was it. ended amicably like it's okay. And he's and he's the same way about it. cuz he's he's the the kind of way like. where I don't think he has any interest. in letting the public in either but but. we both are yappers at the end of the. day and we're going to talk about like. it's hard doing like the [ __ ] like. I'm putting on a face here like yeah you. know. Um getting over a breakup like not even.

specifically talking about him anymore. but like for you. and what you were kind of saying which I. think is like a lot for your confidence. of like as a trans woman you're like. [ __ ] like am I not and you almost like. stopped your sentence like am I not like. what came up for you when that happened. like am I not? Um it um. yeah I mean it. like really like I mean like I said it. like it like fundamentally changed me. and it's still something that I am.

working through but I think. changed you what do you mean? Uh just in that I don't think I. understood um. cuz I had never been in a monogamous. relationship before so I really my. understanding of relationships and love. and everything really was rooted in like. polyamory and queerness and sort of the. way that that world works which is very. open and I don't I think I honestly I. kind of looked at people in monogamy and.

be like oh like you're you're cheating. on yourself blah blah blah blah blah. which is which is also what RuPaul said. in that interview and you were like no. I was like Ru I just got married and I. was like I am off. I know. and she was like sorry [ __ ]. It was like what do you mean and I was. like sorry. I was like oh my god. Oh my god and you know what I so I don't. know where I totally land on it now I. cuz I've done both and and you know and. I think there's validity in both and. it's really a choice and it comes down.

to each individual thing but coming from. that as my background and the way I. learned love I really looked at monogamy. as like a like you're shorting yourself. and whatever and then I got into a. monogamous relationship. Oh, [ __ ] I I get it. I get it. Um. uh like. Yes, I know No, oh I loved it. Oh my. gosh. But then it opens up the door for. that kind of. betrayal, which is.

a different world of pain. Were you open to the concept of. monogamy? Like did he initiate it or did. you initiate it or you both did? I I was open to cuz it you know, I'm com. That's what I'm coming from. So, I you. know, I even like at the beginning, you. know, I like we had talked about it. But. you know, that's not you that's not what. we either of us I don't think really. wanted with with that. And. and. yeah, and um. you know, I think uh. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Are you open to monogamy ever again?

Yeah. Absolutely. I really feel like, you. know, I've done I've done both now and. and like I I know I can. be in either of those positions. But I. really liked monogamy. powerful. really cool in its own way. I feel like, [ __ ] I hate this [ __ ]. Back to poly. No, but like now I see the fault in poly. because poly is so much work. It's so. much work. It's so it monogamy is so. easy cuz it's just like it's very.

simple. It's just like I mean, you have. to communicate a lot in either way. But. with polyamory. you bring other people into that and. other people's relationships and. whatever and it's fine, but then you. have to communicate not only about your. own relationship, but about if if that's. in the contract for y'all about the. other relationships that are happening. and how that weighs and how to balance. that with the person's your primary. partner's feelings. All that it's like. so much work.

Yeah. It's so much work and like you're. [ __ ] busy. I'm I'm too busy right now, which is. what you know, what I said. Not monogamy. or polyamory. I'm too busy right now. Okay, let's talk about the new movie. that's coming out by the time this. episode comes out, Cuckoo. Um. Yeah, right. That's what I'm That's what. I'm here. That's why I'm here to promote my. [ __ ] movie. oh my god, okay, like you know what I. mean? Like what. This is called Daddy. The reason I love. having these conversations though is. like I get it. We can do like a press. junket of like no one no one wants to. know more than anything about you. And.

then we want to go see the movie because. of you. And we. And. why I wanted to do this podcast cuz I. [ __ ] I [ __ ] with this. So. I I I'm so happy you're here. A horror. movie. Yes. Your first lead role? is my first This is the first movie I. ever got. It's not the first movie that. has come out, but it's the first movie I. ever filmed and it's my first lead role. Um and. so excited? I'm so excited. I love this movie and I. it really feels like a baby like like it. was my first you know, I have to say it.

Okay, um horror. I'm such a little. [ __ ] [ __ ] when it comes to horror. I'm literally like that's what's. happening. That's what's happening. Like. how did you decide on this genre? Like. did you. Yeah. Well, I love horror. Okay. I grew up loving horror. Right. Um and I also think it's it's so fun. stylistically particularly with this. director too. It was less about the. genre and even the script and the start. I I just I watched this director's um. who's Tilman Singer. uh his first film and it's his only.

other. piece of work I think that's like out in. the world that you can like go buy on. Amazon and watch. Um but it's called. Loose and I saw Loose and I was like, oh. my god, I have to work with this person. on whatever capacity and and in that. audition process I I like I fought for. that role um and I got it and. That's amazing. Yeah, and um I love I love this movie. Um I know this is probably like a dumb. question to ask, but like the process of. filming like a horror film like. me. Do you really like scared?

Like I'm like I'm literally terrified. Like do you ever It's not like that. though. I'm assuming. Yeah, no. Like like. well, no because there were some scary. parts because we were filming in the. [ __ ] in an abandoned. Yeah, here we go. An abandoned. like 20 acre. post World War II military. village. like.

module that had been abandoned for 50. years. We're shooting at night in these. abandoned buildings that have just been. sitting there for years. That was scary. But thankfully at the casting crew and. every Oh, such a big family. I loved. making this movie with them. Um and so you know, we were it was so. familial. You know, it was only like. when you're like Oh, you have to go walk. to your trailer alone and you're like in. the woods in the middle of Germany and. it's like [ __ ] what? The [ __ ] it's kind. of scary. Um. but Um otherwise, no. I mean I'm you.

know, like in the scenes where I'm scared, you. know, I have to be scared obviously, but. I'm just coming from the perspective. where like I'm trying to think of like a. movie that you'd like why were you. scared about that? Like honestly some. scenes in like Vampire Diaries scared. me. You know what I mean? I still haven't seen Vampire Diaries. No, it was great. But like okay, let me. um like Halloweentown did you ever watch. the movie? No. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was scared. The yeah, the Disney movie. That was. That was scary. I remember that. Yeah. Yeah, I remember.

I'm literally so afraid of like or like. on Disney shows if it was like the like. Halloween episode. I'd be like. Oh, yeah. No, those were scary. Twitches, did you ever. Twitches. Twitches and the dark cloud that. Oh my god, that [ __ ] is so scary. You. remember that? Yeah, girl. Yeah. So good. Honestly, like a little. pathetic, but I'm so excited for you. because obviously you being like having. this lead role like it's crazy to This. is why I love talking to you because you. started this interview being like, I. didn't even know if I wanted to be a.

[ __ ] actress. Yeah, like get this. call and I'm like, making no money from. modeling and I get that call and I'm. like, I guess I'll do it. Now your life. has changed. How has your approach since. now you're like getting on a plane. tomorrow, right? To go to Europe. Like, how has your approach changed though to. like being an actress? So, I you know, cuz I was I I was like, you know, I was really under the belief. for like a few years into it that like, okay, I'm just doing this for right now. and it's helping. Yeah. my career, whatever. I'm making money,

this is great, but I don't know if I. like if this is what I'm supposed to do. And then now I'm in this place where. I've I've because I've been doing it and. I get it now. Because also, you have to. you have to know like I'm learning how. to act on the spot with the first two. seasons of Euphoria and everything. You're so [ __ ] good. Thank you. even know. Thank you, but like I'm I'm learning I. like I didn't understand the craft. I. had no idea what I was doing. And I. finally in that process and in this. process of like just like like letting.

this career happen to me, I have fallen. in love with the craft. And now I'm at. this place where I'm like, okay, maybe. this isn't what I thought that I was put. on this earth to do, Yeah. but this is just another form I get to. put all my creative energy that I used. to put into my journals and in my art. and everything into this. And I. understand how that works now and I've. fallen in love with it. So, now it's at. this great. point where I'm like, okay, this this is. this is one of my superpowers. This is. what I can do and um and I love it.

Hunter, I'm going to be honest, it this. was like one of my favorite interviews. No, seriously, like sitting across from. you, I'm like inspired and also like, this is why I love what I do, because. I've watched you, I see your social. media, but like sitting with you for an. hour and whatever, like, you're [ __ ]. awesome. Thank you. You. it's just so cool because I actresses we. don't get to see and even musicians like. we don't get to see as much obviously of. your personality when you're like.

playing these characters. Exactly. But today you coming here like. stripped down like being yourself and. like opening up and like thank you so. much. Thank you for giving me that it's it's. I'm I'm nervous about like you know. showing the world like you know my real. tea you know I'm that it scares me but. but to do it with you thank you for. making the space and everything and and. like just being here with and kicking. with me. That's what this felt like I. really. could keep going but like I know we have. to stop but I love you. Thank you for.

coming today. This was great.