Emma Chamberlain - Part 2 (Full Episode)

What is up, Daddy gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. Is there anything that made you almost. quit? I will say. there has been a lot of times. where I've almost quit. And how do you. not? Like, what are the what brings you. back to not quitting? Well, I'm in an.

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creating content every single week. for 4 years. And. the thing that kept me coming back was. the fact that. that's. the dis- it's like literally like a. disease. Like, when you start doing. YouTube or you start a podcast or. whatever you do, which I. you know, I've been doing both now for. like 2 years or so. Like. you're like, if I miss a week, I'm done. People are going to [ __ ] forget. People won't care. And you.

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business today. I'm burnt out. So, I'm going to take a. [ __ ] break. When we talk about going through. this hamster wheel process, it's so hard. to. explain like a tangible feeling that it. is and like I talk about it in therapy. all the time. Like, I started this. podcast kind of like when you started. YouTube, and you didn't have anything in. mind of like a start or end date. It was. like, "I'm just going to start this.". And then all of a sudden you wake up and.

you're like, "I've been doing this for. years." Yeah. And like. "Who am I without my podcast? Who are. you without YouTube? Who is Emma. Chamberlain?" And it's like it There's. no light at the end of the tunnel. It's. also not like the type of thing that you. can ever stop thinking about. I've been. thinking about YouTube for 4 years. straight. There's not been a day or an. hour that has gone by where something. about it has not come into my head. And. whether it's like, "How do I want to. evolve my my videos?" You know, "What am I going to film next? Like, what are people going to think of that.

video? Was that video shit?" Like, same. thing with my podcast. "Was this episode. Did I rant too much? Did this episode. like Was this episode [ __ ] annoying? Like, was I repeating myself too much?". You know, it's like. there's no end date. There's no room for. a real break. There is, but you don't want to let. yourself believe that, right? And. There's no room for mistakes. There's no room for mistakes. There's no. room It It just feels like,

you know, your boss is. humanity in a way. Like, your boss is. literally just like public opinion, it. feels like. And that's [ __ ] weird, and it's so out of your control because. the court of public opinion evolves. It. ebbs, it flows. It's not like you're reporting to one. person and like being like, "Here's my. work for the week." You just have to be. constantly trying to guess what the. people want. And.

when you're living by that, it's like, "What formula are you to. follow?" There's no formula to follow. It's like uncharted territory, and. sometimes the people don't even know. what they want. So, if they give you an. idea, that might not actually work. Sometimes you have to predict what. people want, and it's just this whole. mindfuck. And listen, I'm not complaining about it because in. every job and every, you know, profession in life, like there are. elements of it that are just a. nightmare. And I think just with this,

it's like. everything could just go away so. quickly. And I think the way that I. found peace in it is I'm like, "Okay, if. it does, then it does, and I'll just get. pregnant and have a baby.". This is Emma's pregnancy announcement, right? Guys, I'm pregnant. No. It's like, "No." No. Okay, it's like, "Goodbye." No, it is. Publicist said, "No." I have never heard. someone explain it like that where your. boss is the public. Every single creator. said does exactly what you just said.

You quickly say like, "And I'm not. ungrateful, and I'm not saying I'm not. like so happy with what I have.". Yeah. That's not it, but in everyone's. life, you have your struggles and you. have your adversity that comes. Totally. And when you have millions of people. every single day. having not only an opinion on you, but. sort of a hold over whether you have a. career or not, right? It is a lot to. [ __ ] handle as a young adult. Well,

the thing is, too, about it is that. as humans, you know, we're not supposed. to. I mean, this is just an issue with. social media in general, but you're just. not supposed to be exposed to that many. opinions, that many people's successes, that many people's vacations, that many. people's uh hot takes, you know, and. like when they're, you know, you you're. just like not supposed to experience. that many people's. lives, right? Yeah. You're, you know, we're programmed.

biologically to only have to compare. ourselves and and listen to like a. handful of people, right? I watched a. video about this. Like, I'm not a. [ __ ] scientist. But like I did watch. a video about this. Um. I'm citing my sources. Long story short, like you're just not supposed to hear. from that many people. It's not. like something that we're evolved to be. able to comprehend. So, it makes sense. that, you know, for us, for example, like reading comments all the time from.

hundreds of different people, sometimes. thousands, sometimes millions, that's. just not a normal experience. And so, when our brains react. in weird ways, it's like what else did. we expect? This is a weird situation and. is not natural. Yeah. And I hate when. people say like, "Then just don't do. it." Yeah. I I understand what you're. saying, but I. I do love it. I'm It's my passion. Mhm.

So, then you have to basically, I think. what we're both saying is like it is. there is no book that gives you here's a. guideline. Right. This is There is no. one that can tell you like this is. exactly how you act the minute you get. this many followers, then this is going. to happen. And then you talk to this. therapist cuz they'll know how to like. it there's just no formula. And so, it's. weird. You eventually moved to LA. Yes. How did. the change of scenery affect your videos. and your life?

Should I go pee before I do this one? Okay, wait, let me pee. There go in the. um Sorry if Sorry, Daddy Gang. I'm. pissing now. No, I'm kidding. You don't. want us to listen to you pee. Um. go down the. all the way down the hall. Anyways, Emma's back. How was your pee. break? Hello. Hello. Check, check. Um Pee break was popping. It was popping. Um I hope there was. toilet paper in there. I don't like. here. for 6 hours. Oh, wait, is this just like.

the podcast house? the dad pad. No way. Yeah. It's kind of. nice to like not be in your own house. It I used to do it from my bed all the. time cuz where do you podcast? From my. bed. Yeah. And like there's pros to that, but. I started to feel like I could never. turn it off. So, I just. Yes, I've been having that struggle. recently. Cuz that microphone is sitting on your. bed or near it, you just keep being. like, should I start should I start. should I start podcasting? I could record right now. And it will be like almost midnight and. I'm like, oh, I have a thought and I'm. like, no, I need to like set boundaries. Yes. Absolutely. Okay. Okay.

So, I asked you how did the change of. scenery to LA affect your video and your. life? Well, I think a lot of people who were. following me at the time when they found. out I was moving to LA were like, there she goes. You know what I mean? Like there goes the girl that we fell in. love with. She's about to die. You know. what I mean? Like she's not going to be. here anymore. And I think to a certain. extent that was a valid concern and I. think. Well, okay, here was the thing. It. it was such a huge.

life shift in my foundation, in my. reality changed so much that my sense of. identity kind of went out the window and. I was having to like rebuild. my new I mean, and this happens. regardless of. if you're moving to LA and doing YouTube. or if you're just literally a teenager. You know, like there was a lot of. shifting that was going on. It was like.

I was making new friends. I was starting. to try to date guys. Like I was. like living on my own and. like trying to figure out what that. entailed and like there was so many life. changes all at once that like a whole. new group of people, a whole new. scenery. It was just like whatever. My. sense of identity was [ __ ] And so, when it came to like making videos, the. shift from moving from home to moving to. LA took such a psychological toll on me.

that I don't think I was willing to. admit to myself at the time, but. it was so exhausting to, you know, find your footing in a new. place, especially LA, that like I was. very drained just from life itself. And. so, when it came time to like make. YouTube videos, I was like, "I am so. [ __ ] tired just from like existing. here right now, that I think my content. at certain times throughout the first. year and a half, 2 years of being in LA, like my content had moments of suffering.

because. there were just moments when I was. my life itself was. a mess. And not even a mess in a bad. way, just simply a mess, where I didn't. feel. like I had a foundation. Can you explain, in your opinion, like. the good and the bad evil parts of LA. when you're talking about your. experience? I think the good. is that there are so many people here.

that are in a similar industry. to me and to you. It's so being here is. nice because. there's a lot of people around that can. relate, because it's a very unique. situation. And it's comfortable to be. around people that are in the same. industry as you. But, But. But, well, also, another good thing. about LA is that. you know, there's a lot more.

opportunities here, and it's a lot. easier. Like, if you have to do a shoot. for something, or if you have to do an. interview for something, you know, everybody's in the same area. So, it's just a lot more convenient to get a. lot more done, because everything's. here. It's either here or New York, and. usually it's here, actually. A lot of. people from New York fly here to do. stuff. And so, living here is very easy. uh to get the most done. And I can't. take that away from LA. Also, LA, you. know, it's like the weather's nice and. like. you know, you're close to the beach.

Like there's great things about LA, but. I will say that. there is a lot of toxic stuff about it. Number one being that you can't walk. anywhere. That makes me really upset. Number two, that's like the stupidest. thing to complain about, but it sucks. Yeah. Um number two, being around people that are in the same. industry as you is also not always the. best thing because there's a lot of. competitiveness, there's a lot of trying. to. you know, use you to get farther and. that's something I didn't anticipate. You know, it's great when you can find.

someone here who is in the same space as. you. um. that like. just wants companionship, but that's. actually more rare than you think. Yeah. So, there's a lot of. room to get [ __ ] over when you're. being friends with people in your. industry. and that's something that I really. struggled with and experienced. When you. say that, can you elaborate a little bit. on like when was a and you know,

obviously you're not naming names, but. when when was a moment that you realized. like. I think I'm getting used right now. Oh. my god. It's like been so many times. I mean. like. I. And and sometimes using is not always a. bad thing. Like sometimes you can even. find yourself being like, well, yeah, they're maybe using me, but. I guess I'm kind of using them too, you. know? Like in certain types of. collaborations, things like that, but I. think that's kind of different because.

usually when it comes to like a. collaboration of some sort. Uh. it's a mutual benefit. Sometimes it's. not though. And in those moments you're. like, okay, I'm not benefiting from this. at all. This person's like profiting off. of. me in some way and it I don't feel. number one, like it's having a positive impact on me. and number two, like I don't think that. they actually care about me. And so, that's when it gets a little messy is. when. it's not a mutual thing.

and you can tell that. they actually don't even care about you. at all. And you know, it's a part of it. Again, like, it's a. part of it and so, I, in retrospect now that I'm far away. from. all people or all things that could ever. put me in a spot where I would be used. or would feel taken advantage of in some. way, like, now that I'm far away from. those things and I can look back at that. those moments when I did feel that way. and I was wrapped up in those things, I forgive because I understand that.

you know, it's like. we're all just trying to prove that we. deserve. to have dropped out of college or to. have dropped out of high school or to. have moved to LA. Like, we're all just. trying to make it happen. And so, if. somebody thought that they could benefit. from me in some way, yeah, that's not. nice of them, but also I understand. where their head was at and I'm able to. forgive now. When you say you're able to. forgive, so you've been burned by people.

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There was like a few instances where, you know, people would want me to appear. in their videos, for example, and you. know, I would be like, "I can't today.". Because like I need to be working and I. need to like I have to be do and they'd. be like, and you know, maybe because. they were more successful than me in. some ways or whatever, when they would. be like, "You have to.". I would be like, "Okay." You know, and. so I was young and very yes man when I.

first moved to LA. So, if somebody and. these like YouTubers who were maybe more. established, they I think that they knew that they. could kind of Push you around? push me around a little bit, not only on. camera but off as well, just by. you know, like they just knew that I was. really. also still kind of a fan of everyone. I. think they could sense that as well. So, a lot of people I think. knew that they could take advantage of. me and that it would be fine. And. listen, again,

it's fine. Like I get it, but I'm also. like, but it still sucked and it it made. me a lot less productive and it made me. depressed because I felt like just an. object in some ways, which again, I. don't think that was their intent, but I. felt like I was just like a [ __ ]. drone a corporate drone, you know what I. mean? Like a YouTube corporate drone. Right. Um. and I honestly would say that the ways. that I was burned the most though were. like more personal ways, like the ways. that.

just like. people who were like kind of bullies to. me like behind the scenes. Like you. would never like not necessarily a. on camera, but like most of the [ __ ]. that was like. bad was like behind the scenes. Where. it's just like. shitty friends. Yeah. you know what I mean? And and I feel like when you're also. saying that would it also but it would. always somehow tie back to content. Well, I mean I think that our friendship. was based in content, you know, a lot of. the times it was like what was our. friendship without content?

Yeah. Um like if we. weren't friend like if we weren't making. content together, would we be friends? It's hard to say. Yeah. That's why I think a lot of people um. aren't able to obviously aren't privy to. that information on the internet. You. see these people they're hanging out. like I got their new friends. Most. of the relationships that I have seen in. LA are transactional. A thousand. percent. I don't know a lot of people that like. genuinely when we're all home like for. like holidays, like those people are not.

conversing. Yeah. being like, "Hey girl, like how. are you doing?" Like it's not like that. It's all based on we're back in LA, you. want to shoot a Tik Tok like. Yes. and it's and and you're promoting I. remember doing it in the beginning of my. show when I was co-host. It was like we. were promoting being like best friends. We had met like three months before. Of course. And it was like but it you sell this. like fun. lifestyle and it doesn't look great. I. guess people think that if you're sit. standing with someone that doesn't have.

followers that's actually your friend. from your hometown. No one's interested. in that. But if you're standing next to. if I'm standing next to Tana Mongeau, that is logistically going to get more. downloads and views than if my friend. Jackie from home is going to be next to. me. Like, who the [ __ ] is that [ __ ]. So, there is like an incentive to create. these dynamics. But, it's really dark. Well, it's. interesting cuz actually some of the. friendships were. like quite close friendships. where we were talking a lot. Some of. them not. But, like some of them.

genuinely were close like that. But, the question still remains, would we be. friends if we weren't making content. together. when we were together? Right. And it's like that's kind of where it. gets foggy, right? Cuz it's like we were. really close, but. if we weren't making content together, like would we be hanging out? Would we. even care to check in on one another? You know what I mean? Where was the. intent? When did.

those type of dynamics, when did you. wake up and they stop? It happened like one by one, I would. say. Like, I would have kind of realization about. just and it wasn't like anything. Some of them there was like moments. where it was like a blow-up where it was. just like, [ __ ] you, you know? Like, this is just like not like you are using. me. I can tell. [ __ ] you. But, then other moments it was like. it was more just like a drift away where. I was like, you know what? How was our.

friendship off camera? And if the. friendship was like not good, then I was. like, you know what? I'm just going to. back away. And I've always been somebody. where. I don't feel much sadness if a. friendship's not like. positive, I'm I will be the first one to. [ __ ] cut it off. And just because. what's the point, you know? Even if. we're. profiting off of our friendship, even if. we're not, even if it's a private. friendship. Both. I will like. walk away with no. remorse if I feel like it's right. And.

so, I that I kept that principle for all. friendships, you know, throughout my teen years. Have. you ever stayed in a friendship longer. for fear. of the public perception and the. fallout? Yes. Like, I've definitely like I've. definitely struggled. to cut off public friendships a lot. more. Public friendships have always. been harder to kind of back away from, even if it was like what needed to. happen for all parties, you know? Like,

it's definitely harder because you're. like, "God, like. you know, even if this ended civilly, or. even if it [ __ ] didn't.". Yeah. We. you know, I don't want someone else, the other party, to get. in trouble by the court of public. opinion for our friendship ending, because even let's say they did the. worst [ __ ]. Let's say they were such an [ __ ] to. me. They're going to pay enough with their. own conscience. Yeah. You know, I don't think it's.

necessary to have the world knowing. about that, too. What do you get anxiety. about. in general? Like, what are the main. things that give you anxiety? I would. say the main thing that gives me anxiety. is. the pub- is. something happening. where my character. is. portrayed incorrectly, and it being. believed, right? And me not feeling like.

I'm able to say, "This is not me.". Because I know, like, I don't care what. anybody says, I'm not a [ __ ] bad. person. So, and I know that. And I know. that because. I have too much of a conscience. Like, I. I the guilt I feel about. everything. I I can't do bad [ __ ] Like, I because I. just my guilt and conscience is so. strong. that like I almost wish I had less of.

that because I actually feel guilty. about things that I don't need to feel. guilty about and it sucks, you know, like but I know that I'm not a bad. person. But I do. sometimes fear that. something will get in the somebody will. even spread a rumor about me that's not. real and that will become known as fact. and I know how. things work on the internet where it's. like. people aren't digging into every single. story that they see. So if like a bad. story that comes out about me comes out,

people see it, they're just going to. take it as fact and let's say a week. later it's proven, oh that's not true. like Emma Emma didn't hit an old person. in the street. Um. like. people are still going to remember the. article that they saw where they said. where they said that I did and. that's what freaks me out is that, you. know, I don't always feel like I'm able to. defend myself and I also don't always. want to. Yeah. And I also can't go and and. diffuse every rumor about myself. I.

would be [ __ ] that's all I would ever. do. You know what I mean? If I went and. addressed every [ __ ] rumor or every. fake blah blah blah blah blah about me, you know, I wouldn't that would be. actually my full-time job. So like I. can't do it. And so it's just like this. process of trying to figure out like. you know, like I just feel so out of control of. the public perception of me because. somebody could go and lie about me.

tomorrow. And you know what the other. thing is? I don't like let's say I did do. something [ __ ] up. Let's say I did. push an old lady in the street. Let's. say I was having a really bad day. Who. knows? There's not a lot of room for. having a bad day. There's not a lot of. room for making a one-off mistake. And even if that's not something that. reflects my character, how am I. I can. apologize and say this is not me all I. want, but everybody does that. And.

how do people even know that I'm being. honest? You know, so it's like. it kind of feels like a witch hunt in a. way, and I think that in some areas like. yeah, criticism is necessary. Absolutely, but I think that sometimes. like people love it. And so. they want to feed the drama, and I don't. want to be the butt of that. And listen, it's happened. You survive, but it just [ __ ] sucks. And it sucks even more when it's not.

true, or it's not a representation of. you as a person. And people make blanket. statements like, "Oh, we we heard Emma. did this one time. Emma is now evil all. around." You know, there was like a. rumor that I was a bully in high school, and I remember. I was like, "Okay." And I saw like a girl from my. high school made a Tik Tok that was. fully not true. It was fully not true. about like me saying some mean [ __ ]. during class. Like made up this whole. like fake story. I'm like, "Girl, I.

we went to all girls school. We were. like nerdy. Like nobody was bullying. each other in high school.". Is there a chance that I excluded. somebody in high school? Is there a. chance that I maybe made a snarky remark. to someone in high school? [ __ ] yes, there is. There's a great chance that I. probably did that sometimes. I woke up. too early. I was in a bad [ __ ] mood. Sure. But. I never did anything evil. I know that. for a fact. And you know what? If I did, I'm sorry. I I don't know. I don't. remember. Do you [ __ ] remember what. you did in high school? No. Nobody.

[ __ ] remembers. And we're also kids. It's like kids playing in a [ __ ]. knife drawer. We're all learning how to. be good people, and you're going to [ __ ]. up in that process. But it's the fact. that, you know, my identity is in the. hands of like everyone who's ever met. me, and everybody who's ever seen me do. anything and I don't have control over. that and the psychological damage is. quite it is crazy but also. I signed up for it. So here we are, you know what I mean?

Most people listening to this podcast. right now are the ones that you're. referring to as your boss, my boss. They're listening to this and they're. going to make a decision. Yeah. Do we. like Emma Chamberlain? Right. Does the Daddy Gang like Emma. Chamberlain? And and It's okay if you. guys don't. No and and I'm sure vice. versa there's going to be people that. are like why there's people that don't. like me and they'll be like why did Emma. go on Alex's show? And it's like people. are unforgiving and ruthless on the. internet and not only that they are.

excited when there's drama. Like there. are there have been episodes where. people are like I'm going to cancel you. for having that person on your show but. does it say more about me for having. them on? Why are those episodes the most. downloaded though? Of course. So that's. actually you guys are listening. You are. the ones ingesting it. You're clicking. on it. I don't know. I it's a it's a. scary industry a little bit to be in. right now. I agree and I think the other. thing is is that there's a difference. between, you know, somebody. doing something.

genuinely bad, right? And something. genuinely bad and having an intent. that's like I actually. like want to hurt people, you know, cuz. that that happens on the internet. You. know, you see people [ __ ] up and do. things that genuinely directly harm and. they actually had the intent of harming. people, right? I never. on my whole time on the internet have. ever posted something with the with a. negative intent, right? Now listen, if I. do something that is perceived in a way.

where it's like Emma, that's not right. and here's why, that's fine. I'm willing. to like learn. I'm always open-minded, you know, and I think critic-. constructive criticism. There's nothing wrong with it. Yeah. This could have been perceived in. a way that was offensive and hurtful. I. totally get that. Then it's like, "Okay, we'll we'll go from there and thank you. for letting me know. Let's move on.". Like I I didn't have that intent, but I. totally understand where you're coming. from. I'm so glad that, you know, you let me. know. I'm so happy to do better next.

time and to be more aware of how this. could be perceived wrong. But it's when. people are like, "Oh, no. You're done. You're done." Because even though you. had no idea what you were doing and even. though it was a complete complete 200%. accident, you're still done because you. made a mistake. That is such [ __ ]. uncharted territory. How are you. supposed to predict? It's like I could. [ __ ] like put on deodorant in a video. and I feel like at this point somebody's. going to be like, "You're offending people that don't want.

to wear deodorant.". No, literally. what I mean? It's like. I understand that like. you have to if somebody does something. wrong, holding them accountable is fair. and in some actually places very good. I've learned so much from being on the. internet and from people being like, "Hey, when you talk about this like. this, that's not cool." And I've been. like, "Damn, I would have never known. that otherwise. Thank you.". Like truly, like I'm grateful for that. But it's when it's like people twisting.

[ __ ] just for funsies. Yeah. giving me room to be like, it just discourages me and it just makes. me Yeah, it makes me want to disappear, you know? How has your brand evolved? When I first started uh on the internet. in general, I was just kind of copying. what uh the girlies were doing, you. know? I was like, "Okay, I'll talk about. makeup and clothes and things like. that." And then that wasn't really. lighting my soul on fire. So then I was. like, "I'm going to start vlogging." And. I just started vlogging and then I.

vlogged for years. I mean, I was like, you know, just like filming random [ __ ]. Like whatever I thought was like funny. or interesting or random at the time, I. was just filming it. And so, um. in some like more concept-based videos, too. Like, stuff where I was like. going to Children's Place and trying to. pick out a cute outfit. You know, like. [ __ ] like that. Um and just like having. fun with whatever. I kind of had no I. was just like my baseline theme on my. channel is me. So, like whatever. happens,

I'm just like the main theme of it. Which, I mean, what kind of like self-centered idiot. 16-year-old do you have to be to think. that's okay? know, right? I'm like, damn. me? I'm like, it's about me. Okay, that's it. My What's your channel about, babe? It's about me. Me. Tune in, [ __ ]. Tune in. I promise you'll love it. No. Um but really, that was it. And then, I. think within the past like year or so, I've been trying to kind of. make my content a little bit more. mature because I'm more mature, you. know? So, like on my podcast, I've been.

talking about more serious topics. And. on my YouTube, you know, the last few videos I made were very. like. more just like chill and toned down and. just relaxed and like not super based on. like a. gimmicky kind of concept. Like, just. kind of just me existing and doing. whatever and like editing the videos. myself in a way that I felt was like. calming and more mature to watch, I. would say. Cuz I just don't think that. like I want to be making, you know, I.

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evolving into adulthood? This is something I've been thinking. about a lot because. I think that the last. 4 years or whatever of me being on the. internet, you know, I. when it came to. my career, I was just in autopilot. I. was just like pumping [ __ ] out and it. was coming from my heart still, but it. was like. I was just kind of like on go go go go. go mode. So,

I wasn't thinking about anything too. deeply and I also wasn't thinking about. I definitely wasn't thinking about my. own personal identity when no one's. around and I'm by myself and I look in. the mirror, who is that? I was so focused on. working 24/7. for the past 4 years that I was. teetering between. having no thoughts and being burnt out. and just feeling like I was like dying. cuz I just could not look at.

Final Cut Pro one more [ __ ] time, right? Um. but then also moments of just like. absolutely just busting [ __ ] out. And. like it was just like back and forth. teetering. That left no time for me to. ever have a free moment. to be like, "Okay, wait, who am I. outside of all this?" So, for the past. for the past 4 years, you know, I've. just been. on the in this hamster wheel of working. and working and working and working and. working and you know, kind of exploiting. myself at times.

to just. do as much as I possibly could. Especially because I started to get so. many opportunities that I was excited. about. I was like, "Well, I don't want. to say no." You know what I mean? Like I. like I want to do everything, but you. can't do that. But I didn't know that at. the time. So I was spreading myself so. thin and giving myself no time to. sit back and be like, "Okay, wait. Who. the [ __ ] are you? Who the [ __ ] are you?". And within the past I would say. honestly, especially. two or three months.

I've been having a lot of like. psychological struggles because I'm. like, "I'm now having to figure out. like. refine my identity after like shoving it. away for the past four years. ignoring it and just putting that on the. back burner. It's like now I'm left. being like, "I don't even know what. fulfills me, what excites me, what you. know, makes me feel like I have purpose. outside of my work." I don't know what. it is cuz I've not let myself go there. I didn't have the time to go there. And.

so that's kind of what I'm figuring out. now and you know. I've gotten to a place where it got so. dark for me, you know, even recently. that I was like, "Well, I don't [ __ ]. care. if everything goes away." I'm like, "I. don't care because I'm so. I I'm so disconnected. from. myself that like I need to refine that. And if when I'm ready to come back to. the internet fully and if when I'm ready. to like, you know, get back into the. swing of things. like.

I if if people don't want to watch. anymore, if people don't care anymore. I need to do what I have got to do. It's. impossible. to develop your identity. and be online at the same time. Because. developing your identity means. silence. You need silence. You need. alone time. You need to be. intimate with people. You know, you need. all of these types of things that do not.

align with being a [ __ ] YouTuber or. even being a podcaster at times. You. know, I think podcast is like when it. comes to personal identity, it's easier. especially too cuz like they can't. always see you. There's something nice. about I don't know. But with YouTube. specifically, it's like trying to. develop your personality and. simultaneously continue to be consistent. on the internet. It's like you cannot do. both because you have to have. a fully formed something to show. Did. you ever watch Harry Potter? You know I. did. Okay. Did you watch the reunion? No. Emma, you.

need to watch it. I don't know if anyone. listening is a Harry Potter fan, but. some people may consider me like. Slytherin. I'm more of like a Gryffindor. Hufflepuff. You're giving me Gryffindor through and. through and I like and I don't say that. about many people. Slytherin and I'm like no, I'm. Hufflepuff. Like no, I'm not Gryffindor. You're Gryffindor. Anyways, it is. fascinating because Emma Watson, Daniel Radcliffe, and. I think it was Ron who was like I love. how I'm calling the See, I'm even. calling them by the those names, the. characters.

course. said, they were like, "When we stopped. the movies, I genuinely felt uncomfortable when. people called me my real name. I didn't. feel like I could even identify with. that name.". Totally. Child stars or child performers or now. internet kids that come up on the. internet, they are losing some of their identity. in the characters that they're. portraying. How did the growth of Emma. Chamberlain. Mhm. stop.

when Emma Chamberlain the internet. character. was born? You know, I I wouldn't say that like my growth. completely stopped because I you know, it's like I was still growing. I. for the last 4 years made my entire. purpose in life. to like at a certain point I was like, my entire purpose is to now succeed at. this and take it as far as I can.

And enjoy it while I'm doing it, right? And so. I put away and threw away all other. purposes that I had even brewing in me. I was like, I don't give a [ __ ] about. anything else. I'm throwing all of my. eggs in this in this basket, you know. what I mean? I want to make. This is my only purpose. And then. now I'm at a place where I've arrived at. what I wanted to happen. And now I'm left with this feeling where. I'm like, this is [ __ ] amazing.

And I'm so happy that I'm here. But I don't have any more. goals in this area, right? I don't have. any more thing I don't want to get more. followers. I don't want to get more. views. I don't care about that [ __ ]. anymore, you know, like I don't certain. point I was like, I would love to grow. this as big as I can, like whatever. Now I'm like, I don't really think it. needs to go any bigger. Like I'm good, you know what I mean? I'm fine with it. how it is now. Um.

So I'm having to like figure out now. what things will give me purpose outside. of. this. And it's a [ __ ] hard pill to. swallow. I didn't I you know, I'm like. I'm 20 and I'm like. a where I have to Now I have to find a. whole new purpose, but. also everybody is looking at me and is. like. look at that like, you know. but you but you have this to look at.

And I'm like, I need something bigger. and deeper for myself that might not. have anything to do with the internet, you know what I mean? I just don't know what that is yet. And. so that's been something that I've been. struggling with is like, you know, I. haven't had time to like, you know, do. hobbies or whatever. But the other thing. is is that. I'm now in a routine where like I don't. really have a lot of inspiration to do. things that don't involve my work, which. is a weird thing that like because my. work and my hobbies became one, right? Right.

So like I don't have like the desire to. do other little hobbies that like my. brain convinces me are pointless to do. You know what I'm saying? Well, like also your. job Yeah. has flowed in not only to like. your purpose and your hobby, but it's. also flowed into like your actual. lifestyle and living. Every part of my life. go. you're not even 21, but if once you're. 21, you can't go to a bar and not get. recognized. And what you do in that bar.

is a direct reflection on your job, which is your purpose. And so every. single aspect of your life is wrapped up. basically in your job. Yeah. Which. for some people is very normal and for. some people it's like, oh, I work a 9-5. and when [ __ ] Friday hits, I am a. different beast on the weekend. You. don't have a weekend. Yeah, it's it's. honestly like everything in my life is. melted into one where it's like. my job, my social life, or lack thereof.

most of the time because I'm too. anxious. But like, you know, every element of my. life is all connected. You know, I don't. have a separation of things. And because. of that, it all feels like everything. could fall apart if I just pushed the. wrong domino and it could just all. [ __ ] fall down. Like, you know, it's it's everything feels very fragile, which is why I'm now like, okay, I can't. have all my eggs in this basket. I want. to continue doing this. This is.

you know, my passion and something that. I I enjoy doing this stuff, right? But I have to find it a life outside of. it and. solidify that life and like make that. life something where I'm not so worried. about what people think of me on the. internet. I'm not so worried about, you. know, if this all went away tomorrow. because I do have this life outside of. it that's so rich that it doesn't. matter. Walk me through. social anxiety now with this platform.

It is. I mean, of course, like I do love. meeting people. I mean, I really do and. I'm I am generally a social person, I. would say. Like I'm I don't really get. social anxiety about. talking to people. Like if somebody. comes up, I mean, there's been moments. when it's been like kind of overwhelming. or something just cuz it was like. you know, I was late to something or. blah blah blah, but I always, you know, the actual interaction itself is always. pleasant, you know? The only thing that. I'm paranoid about is people who don't.

maybe like me and see me in public and. they are like want to film me or are. like watching me and like making fun of. me behind my back. Like it's the fact. that I could be anywhere and somebody. might recognize me and I might not. actually know that they know me. If. somebody comes up to me and like says, "Oh my god, like. what's up?" You know, like that's sweet. I don't actually mind that. It's It's. the fact that I don't know. when I'm when I'm just another human. being drifting through the street or. when. somebody is.

watching me because they've seen me. before. That is what makes me anxious. and that's what makes it hard, you know, cuz I'm I'm constantly feeling like I'm. being surveilled whether I know it or. not. What are you doing though like tangibles. in order to try to find and redefine and. that identity that you're looking for? Um I think a big step in it was. deciding like that I'm going to. probably step back from YouTube. Okay.

You know, just because. I will say that and I mean, I don't. know. I'm not making anything definite, right? I'm just like, this is just where. I'm at now. I take it day by day. That's. what I have to do or else. I lose my mind. But um. I I do like for me, doing a weekly. podcast is something that I can do cuz I. mean, it's very much. me sitting in bed. and like just talking. Um but I also think that by stepping. back from YouTube, I have a lot more.

free time. so that I can figure out, okay, maybe I. want to like. you know, who knows what I want to do. But like, I might. want to do something else that's. creative that I can create for, you. know, the world to hopefully enjoy if. they decide to enjoy it like. it gives me room to explore number one, like what I could do next in my career, but also it gives me more time to like. develop friendships properly cuz I also. you know, don't like to have people in.

my videos or in my on my podcast or. anything cuz I just. gives me too much anxiety and I like it. just to be me. And so. you know, it caused me to push a lot of. people away cuz I couldn't combine work. and play, you know, I had to keep those. very separate. And so because of that, it was like. I didn't hang out with people very. often. So I'm taking this time to just like. have as much free time as possible and. just. let myself get really bored and like see. what I.

do to entertain myself. I also hear when. you're saying you're going to give. yourself that freedom to find things you. like, but then don't grab the camera and. film it for content. Like, no, it's. yours. Let it be yours. Let a hobby be. yours and don't be like, oh, this would. make a good vlog. Yes. Like you you there's got to be a line. for yourself of like, no, cuz then. you're working. Mhm. Like do it for. yourself. I can already feel like the. tension. You're like, [ __ ] I know. And. I've I've done it too where I'm like, oh, that was such a fun moment." And. then I have to exploit it on my podcast.

and I'm like. it's hard. I and I think I have to be. strict with myself and be like, "Am I. like. you know, you can do your podcast, but. you can't be posting videos. and be trying to figure out who you are. and what you enjoy to do when the. camera's off if the camera's still. [ __ ] on every week. You just can't. figure it out. So, you know, I don't know like what's like I'm. constantly like changing my like I'm. like, "Oh, now I'm doing this. Oh, wait,

now I'm doing this." Like I'm all over. the place, right? Dude, you're 20 as you should be. Right. So, it's like I but I just don't. think I also don't know if. I feel like that there might be. something else out there that might. excite me career-wise and might light me. light my soul on fire, you know, like. there's something out there that I might. be missing. And so, I want to have a a. little bit of time to explore that. and see like what I want to do next. that's going to be exciting to me.

Um. I think that's amazing. So, yeah. In terms of growing up basically on the. internet, you have. presented a very like PC brand and no. sex, no. like we don't even know like has Emma. Chamberlain ever had sex? Has she ever. kissed a boy? Has she ever get like we. don't know. Like. Right. How has. people's fascination with your sexuality.

affected. your sexuality? Yeah. It's really interesting because I always. I I struggled with my sexual identity. growing up as well because. as I mentioned earlier, like I was just. a late bloomer and I just also wasn't. like an ultra-feminine girl and I've. never been like a super stereotypically. feminine woman, but yet like I I.

am a straight woman. Like that's what I. am. But like no one ever like I've. always gotten like [ __ ] for that, you. know, and people have. growing up, too, you know, like people. being like. that's not true. And I'm like, you guys. like. what And and I mean, listen, like I. don't ever want to complain like. sexuality is such a. tough and like intimate and. emotion-filled subject that like I don't. want to complain about people like,

you know, questioning my sexuality because I know. it can be so much worse and so much more. complex. Um. so I don't want to sound like I'm. complaining, but at the time I was like, you know, people. like I remember my ex-boyfriend uh was. like, we were dating and like one of his. friends like was like, dude, like she. doesn't actually like you. Like she I. don't think she actually likes you. Like. she's I think she likes girls. Like I.

don't think she likes you. And then he. came to me and told me that and I was. like, why the [ __ ] would you say that? Like just why the [ __ ] would you say. that? Like why are you assuming that. Like cuz that's not true. And if it was. true, so [ __ ] be it. But like why is. this like Why are people speculating? Like I'm Like I'm dating it. Like. Why do you think he thought that? So he actually told my ex-boyfriend why. he thought this. And it was because I. didn't wear makeup and I did and I wore. sweatpants a lot. So all of a sudden now I'm like not. allowed to like boys.

I was like, shut the Like Right. Holy [ __ ] I mean, seriously like just. stupid. And I mean, I've always thought. like. I mean, I get it. We're humans. Like. we're curious about other humans. And so. I don't think it's like I don't think. there's anything wrong with within the. privacy of your own mind to look at. somebody else and be like, "Hmm, I. wonder this, this, or that about their. sexuality." If you do that within the. safety of your own mind, totally fine. sure. But, don't go to my boyfriend and be. like, "Dude, like I think you're barking up the wrong.

tree here." Like, that's so [ __ ]. rude. Did that affect your relationship then. with your boyfriend in terms of. psychologically for you, was it always I. was like, "Well, all of a sudden now I feel like I need. to start being like not myself." Like, this is me. Right. This is just who I am. Like trying to. prove now you're straight. Like, no, I I. I do like guys. I do like you. and I'm like, "Why the [ __ ] should I. have to prove that anyway?" Nobody. should ever have to prove [ __ ] about it. Never. It's like it's so incredibly. nobody's business,

which is I think. why like I've always kind of. been afraid of. getting into it is just because I'm. like, "Sexuality is also something that has. ebbs and flows, too." Like, some moments. you're like, "Oh my god, I'm on it.". Like, I roll, I'm just like hooking up. with everybody, and like I just. whatever. And sometimes you're like, "I. literally can't remember the last time I. felt like any kind of excitement about. anything sexually." Like, there's so. many moments. things are constantly evolving there.

But, um. I also think that I'm just not somebody. where. Actually, let me rephrase. Because I was. a very late developer as a young person, and because I didn't get any attention. from guys really for my. appearance, um I definitely like. became used to. getting attention from. what I. was talking about and like what I was.

and how I was behaving. And like that. was. what I started to lean into more because. I was like, "Well, people don't I don't. have boobies. So, like nobody's looking. at me for my boobies. So, you know, I. have to figure out some other way to get. attention." And so that kind of became. muscle memory where I was like, well, now I just. feel like nobody's ever looking at me. and is like. looking at me in a sexual way. So in. order to like get attention, I just have to like. utilize my personality and then hope.

that like through that. somebody will be able to. be attracted to me in a more sexual way. Like. if they maybe like like me. personality-wise. So that's kind of what. I became used to, but it always made me. feel. shitty because I was like. I just don't think guys are looking at. me and are like looking at me in a. sexual way ever. And that [ __ ] with me because I was. like. but. but why? Like, you know what I mean? I.

was like, this sucks. And even now that. I'm older and like I like my boob is. grown like maybe like this much, like. like a tiny little little tiny bit. But. now that I'm older, you know, it's like. even though like that's not really as. much of an issue anymore, it's still. there's a little trauma there, you know, where in the back of my head I'm like, number one, I remember people always not. believing that I was like that I was. somebody who. preferred dating men.

Uh. which like [ __ ] with me, but then also. like. I. uh like have memories of like just guys. not being attracted to me physically. And then on top of that. like. I'm also just not a super outwardly. sexual person. Like I never present. myself in a very outwardly sexual way. I'm just not comfortable doing that, and. I don't have There's nothing wrong with. doing that. I just it's never felt right.

to me. Um and I've always felt like, well, because I'm not an outwardly sexual. person, um like does that make me. less attractive too in some ways? You. know what I mean? So, but like that's just it's so interesting. though because the perception of me is. is so interesting for me to like watch. Like people are like I've seen comments. that are just like there's just no way. like Emma's ever had sex. And I get it. But I get it. But then that [ __ ] with. me cuz I'm like I get why they think.

that. So, it like creeps me out. You know what I mean? I will admit I'm a. tomboy and I have been my whole life. And so my brand is weird cuz I was so. over sexualizing myself that I felt. imposter syndrome sometimes where I'm. like. that's not actually the full truth. Like. I don't I'm not incredible in bed every. night. That's the truth. Some days I'm. really tired. And like And so for me it. was like weird to acknowledge that. But. for you, do you ever find yourself.

like. pushing yourself to. try to be more feminine so that you feel. something like. Does that make sense? A thousand percent. I. I mean my like. experiences in throughout my life. actually, I haven't had like. a lot of one-off experiences. Like I've. mainly just been in relationships. which I think.

was good and bad, you know what I mean? Well, I think Okay. I would say when it came to like any. experience I've ever had in my life. where it's been like a sort of one-time. thing. Mhm. Which hasn't actually happened a lot, but every time that it has, I feel like. I've been able to kind of play a game. where maybe I'm being a little bit more. feminine. because. it's like I it's just fun. Like it's. just fun. It's like I can just like be. whatever the [ __ ] I want right now.

And it's like a fake confidence you give. yourself by. Acting it out, you're like, I can be. this way. I am. You can't do that in a relationship. Because the [ __ ]. the colors come out far too quick. So. like I've never really been able to like. play that game in a relationship. I. definitely have done that in the few. times that. I've like again, like so it's happened. but never in relationships. But I found. that in past relationships, I didn't. feel as respected by guys that I've. dated in the past just because I feel. like they kind of.

Well, especially like one relationship. in particular, but it was just like I. just felt like. you know, he was very critical of the fact that I. like maybe wasn't a super feminine girl. And like sometimes he was like, oh it's. actually super cool and chill. And then. sometimes he was like. he was like. like if I had like put on jeans and come. over, he would be like. Oh my god, like you finally like put. effort in. Like that's crazy. Like it. was like And you're like And I'm like, dude, shut the [ __ ] up. Like I'm like or.

you know, if I would be wearing makeup. or whatever, it would be like a big deal. and like it would be like, oh my god, you're wearing makeup. Like whoa, you. know what I mean? Or like or like you. should wear heels tonight. And I'm like, what the [ __ ] are you talking about? Like I'm like, no, like I felt like I. wasn't enough. Yeah. And in like the. areas that I was feminine weren't. enough. So I felt like, you know, there. was an effort to like make me more. feminine to fit what they wanted. Which. is like again, it's like we were [ __ ]. kids. We were All my relationships.

happen you know, at such young ages that. it's like of course there's going to be. [ __ ] like that. Yeah. Um but I would say. I'm fully comfortable now in. like what areas I'm more feminine and. what areas I'm more masculine because I. simply just getting into a relationship. where. my. masculine and feminine traits are. appreciated, but also like. you know, dating somebody who like just. doesn't care about that [ __ ] and is just.

like. enjoys people for like being a person. Like that it's like in less about like. And also it's like kind of similar to me. in the sense where like maybe not the. super traditional super masculine. super feminine like that's not playing. any roles in a relationship, yeah. You. know? So and that's what it is is like. anyone listening like sometimes it just. takes finding the right partner Mhm. that you don't need to change yourself. No. need to find someone that like aligns.

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Can you tell me would Can you tell me. when you lost your virginity or no? Yeah. Okay. I was Well, I'm I've never. talked about this on the internet. This. is so fun. Well, this is Call Her Daddy and I'll. get roasted by everyone. also like in my personal life, I talk. about sex all the time. That's why it's. so [ __ ] weird for me that I never. talk about it. Like. I'm not like. I talk about it all the time. So, it's. like not. Not And you're not saying in your show, you just mean in real life. Yeah, like in real life, I'm I I'm like. I talk about it all the time.

Do you mean that that time you were. talking about it with me? I'm not saying. like even just sex. She's not like. Emma's not like a nympho. Like. I have so much sex, you guys. But like. it you it I was surprised I remember on. that Zoom how naturally you discussed. just like, "Oh, yeah, like I loved. that." Like I've listened to your show. and I like and I I was like, "Oh, [ __ ]. I had no [ __ ] idea. Your brand is. very specific and it's not that you're. avoiding it. It's just it's not talked. about.". Well, that's the thing. It's like if. something's not talked about, then how.

are you supposed to like know how. someone where someone stands on a topic? And it's interesting because. I just like it's so bizarre to like talk. about it, but it's also kind of fun. Okay, I guess I feel like I'm old enough. now. Like I'm finally old enough where I. get to talk about it. I. like the Disney Channel effect. It was. like when Miley Cyrus was like, "I have. to go to the such extreme and go like. dance on a pole because like everyone. sees me as a baby and I need them to not. see me as that.". Meanwhile, she was like probably like. [ __ ] smoking weed on set of Hannah. Montana. Like you know what I'm saying? Like there's. there's so many things that like.

the perceptions can pigeonhole you and. it and then it does affect your. identity. And so, I can feel you being. like, "Hey guys, like I'm 20." Yeah. I can say I've had sex before. That's. okay. Even though your publicist may be. like, "Don't say that.". Also like I. Yeah. Okay, so Oh, yeah. Oh. I was. 17. Great age. It was actually a really. not bad experience. Like it was with. a guy that I was like seeing at the time.

that I was. pretty comfortable with and I mean he. was definitely like, you know, he had. had sex lots of times and I obviously. hadn't, but he was like great. He He. like really like. I don't know. It was just like. it was one of the most jarring. experiences for me though in my entire. life because it was one of those things. where. it was something I just like never. believed was possible for myself cuz I,

you know, growing up I had these. experiences of people like, you know, doubting. my sexuality. You know, I even had. moments where like. I was kind of like, I don't even know if. I like anyone. Like I went through. phases where I was like I feel nothing. towards anyone and like I don't even. know if like I'm ever going to like. somebody enough to. you know, let them in like that and and. I also. was like, I don't feel like anybody. wants to do this with me, you know, like. I've never been. Nobody's ever looked at me in a sexual. way before at least to my face. So like.

I don't think that this is possible. Yeah. Um. And so when it was happening I was like, oh. it was so it was I was like this is just. like feels like everything's like. shifting in my life, you know, cuz I was. like, damn, this is like a new. chapter and I felt I had weirdly like. imposter syndrome. with it, right? Cuz I was like, I don't. feel like I'm like, are you sure that. you want to do this? I'm like, nobody's ever wanted to do this. So I.

don't know why you want to do this and. also I had a huge crush on this guy at. the time. So like, you know, it was even. more crazy for me. And in retrospect I. can look back and be like. No, like. I I get like I was being hard on myself. and I didn't need to be like that. But. um. It I mean it hurt really bad. That's. all. Dude, I don't No one should ever be. like, "My first time was incredible.". Like no. It was so awful. We didn't even have. sex.

Right, you're It's like It's like a. movement and then you're like, "All. right, we did it." Because it's like. one, you No one has to You're not going. to have an orgasm. Yeah, it's not going. to fit. You're You're not experienced. You don't know what you're supposed to. be doing. You don't know what you're. supposed to be feeling. It's almost. like, "Let me just get through this.". Not in like a creepy way. It's more just. like No one's going to be relaxed and. chill like. get fun until you're like older. Older. Yes. And even like. then like there's always more to learn. Always. And really I think the weird. thing is is like that as I've learned.

through my show is like it really starts. with yourself and a lot of people don't. feel comfortable starting sexually with. themselves until you get a little bit. older because there's like a lot of. weird shame and especially if you. haven't felt this like feminine sexual. energy, you're so in your head that to. even like be by yourself and. masturbating, you're already thinking. outside of your body. Yes. Yeah, totally. I'm not sexual This is. weird. What am I And it you get in your. head. Well, you also are like. It's so true. I mean I've had moments.

like. on a personal level but also like with. other people like when I'm you know, like. where I've just been I I've gotten into. my head and been like almost. embarrassed. Where I'm like, "Bitch, you. are not Stop. Like stop being like like. Like stop faking it. Like you're on top. and you're like, "I'm This isn't This. doesn't feel genuine.". I literally I'm like. This is not It feels like out of. character and it doesn't feel like it.

aligns with me and like. And you want to do it. I hate going on top because I I'm like I. don't want to have to [ __ ] think. about me. No, but I think I think it's. okay to say in terms of like sexually. it's hard especially growing up where. there I mean I will admit like my show. as much as it probably gave women. confidence, it also probably drew a big. hole in people's sex lives being like we. I don't do that and like I I've never. and then it's in you get insecure. Totally.

And again, porn and everything makes you. feel like you've got to be this like. sexual deviant. Yeah. when you're like again like a position. like on top eyes are on you and you're. like okay, so I know I'm supposed to. start like moaning and then like I. should like throw my head back and like. but naturally right now like I feel a. little out of body imposter syndrome of. like I don't feel that yet and it's so. it's weird. But also like if you're like for me. personally, I'm not so like I don't. [ __ ] like want it it doesn't excite. me to like do crazy [ __ ] necessarily. I.

just don't. But it's like people are very. judgemental about if you're like I'm not. I don't. like I listen, it's not like I'm not a. sexual person. There's definitely that. side of me but I also I'm like not. a super sexual person and like there are. times when I'm like I don't it doesn't. need to be this like whole crazy thing. Like it's just it just is what it is and. like I don't feel like I don't want to. [ __ ] perform. I don't want it it just.

and I think that the expectation to. perform might actually end up being. detrimental to at times because you're. like it's all about like figuring out. what the vibe is and like if you're just. like well, the vibe doesn't feel like. making really loud sounds right now but. I'm just going to do it anyway cuz I saw. it in porn yesterday. And then you get in that pattern and. then And then it's like but then it's. like kind of like but then it takes away. from the intimacy of it. Yes. just disappear and like not think. Yes. And like let it happen. And that's it.

You just have to get out of your own. way. I will also say to like I think. when what you're saying is the majority. and and the norm and and but people. publicly don't admit that. I know. And so it's like let's just say it. Like. it's true. that I like will enjoy. like it. I Okay, I know you're going to hate. this. I was just about to say something. I'm not going to say anything. Wait, but should I say it anyways? Cuz I. don't What? And then I'll cut it out. Her Daddy, I will admit that I enjoy. vanilla sex. I think that's okay. Like.

you're not trying to like Like like. boring sex. not trying to like swing from the I. think that's totally fine. wrong with like [ __ ] like Like a good. missionary and then like one other. positionary. What is wrong with it? I don't need to. [ __ ] like literally do a helicopter. background [ __ ] right. [ __ ] flip all. over. I don't want to do that. I also. like. feel like the like I mean listen, okay, yeah. There's moments when you can be. crazy, there's moments when you can be.

fun. I get it. That's like once in a. blue moon. In reality it doesn't need to. be like that. think it's also like I'm thinking about. like the sex I was having at 20. Like. I'm excited for you because it's like in. at 20, I was faking things and I was. performing and I knew it like I it was. it was all a game to me cuz I was like. if I do this and he'll be obsessed with. me and then blah blah blah and it was. all it kind of all corresponded to like. a bigger goal of mine, not just like the. immediate bedroom, but I do think as you. get older and again as you get to know. yourself sexually, you begin to like.

actually find things that you know you. like and then it's not even about. vanilla sex. It's like what works for. you, you can start to implement in the. bedroom and it's not like you're faking. it. But you have to actually find those. things by yourself. Okay, let's move on. Um K so like I'm going to What gives you. the ick? Like I'm going to do come some. rapid fire and then we're done. I know. this is going so long. We need to go. We. could really go for 6 more hours. No, no, I know and Yes. I actually like. will let you know but I.

I like that. I dude, I think that also like is is. really Yeah, it's like real and it's not. like a jarring. I thought you were going. to say something crazier. Then I was. like, oh, that's a good answer. Emma loves anal. I'm kidding. promo of the. Okay, I'm going to go rapid fire and. then we're done. Okay. I'm ready. What gives you the ick? With guys or in general? Oh, both. Okay. With guys, I get the ick when just like.

any kind of like cockiness and bragging. and like trying to like. signal that they're like successful to. me. This is not rapid fire with me. Nothing will ever be rapid fire with me. I'm so sorry. Um. Being cocky and honestly when people. like just have bad taste in like. clothing and fashion. I feel Not that I. know what I'm doing around Emma right. now with my outfit. I'm like I'm not. saying like it there's like a certain. like but they're like braggy about it.

So like being cocky about like having. bad taste. That's really icky to me. It. makes me have the ick every time. Is that you? That's not you. You. You're always hot. You always look good. So anyone wondering who we're talking. to, it's our mutual publicist on the. right side who's been crying this entire. time. also so gorgeous. And her dresses. are like the hottest. She has a full sweat outfit on with. heels. It's not what you think. Yeah, they're. like flared sweatpants.

No, she genuinely is slaying and nobody. can tell me any different. Anyways, um okay. Have you ever been cheated on? You know But. Emma, you're like it can never be short. It's like yes or no. Not technically, but like I've been in. situations where it was maybe not right. for people to be going out and they did. Fair. Have you ever cheated on someone? No. What is the longest relationship you've. ever been in? A year and.

like 10 months. Is that the one you're in right now? I will not say. Um okay, fine. Better. question after that. Do you own a. vibrator? Yes. I have one downstairs. It's in a box. I got one when I was like 17. That's. amazing. Who got Who told you to get it? You just got it yourself? It was. somebody I was talking to at the time. Okay. Um what is the most hurtful thing. someone has done to you in a. relationship? Ah. I would say.

like. just like not be supportive of like. things that I was doing. Like simple. things. Like work stuff. What I decided. to order on a menu. Like just like being. in a relationship where somebody was. constantly disapproving of every little. thing I was doing and like being. genuinely mean about it. Uh good answer. How is the relationship you're in now. different from previous experiences with. partners? It's. I mean so many everything about it. I. mean, obviously being like best friends.

with. your significant other is the best. [ __ ] thing ever. Mhm. And I don't think that that's ever. been true prior. Also. like. just the most like ni- like incredible I. I can't even It's just like it's almost. like when you're in a good relationship, it's like you found somebody that's like. a missing piece. Yeah. And like they. just have all the things that you wish. you had and you learn from them and they. learn from you and they treat you with.

respect and there's a mutual respect and. it's like all these things and it's like. also your best friend and then it all. comes together and you're like I don't. have any complaints and I don't know how. that's possible. You know? Could you. share. what do you argue about in this. relationship? Not a lot. We don't argue. Can I ask you how you guys met? Through the internet. Why do you think. fans have become so invested with.

gaining access and insight into your. dating life? I think that like even for me like as a. consumer of the internet like things are. interesting when there's mystery around. them and because I don't ever confirm or. deny anything. that's why I think it's so interesting. It's almost like if I were to share it. it would become possibly less. interesting but the problem is is that I. want to protect the people that I'm. dating. or the people that I'm like even just.

slightly talking to or the people that. I'm hooking up with like whoever it is. at whatever given moment like even at. whatever stage it's at I want to give. them complete privacy and. I don't. want my life to like affect them. Do you. are you frustrated when you do see like. if like God forbid like a paparazzi. thing comes out of you like how does. that make you feel? I mean for me personally I'm like I. don't care like I mean I it's more like. I'm concerned about how it affects them.

and and I don't ever want to like. lose an opportunity to like. have a good connection with somebody. because my life style creates them. stress right? Um. and that's something I've like worried. about relationships that I've been in. that have been positive I'm like I just. like I'm scared that this is going to. get out because I don't want them to. feel violated and like they didn't sign. up for this like I you know what I mean. and so that's why I keep it private but. also if things come out or things are. speculated about most of the time people.

that I've been with or people that I. haven't been with where it's been. speculation and they're like this is. silly right? But I just decided to talk. about none of it cuz I'm like if it's. true or it's not it doesn't [ __ ]. matter cuz if I chime in about stuff. when it's not true, then that means. everything I don't chime in about smart. I just leave it all to the imagination. And honestly, it's kind of fun to see. It's kind of fun to see like what people. assume. So, yeah. Okay, wrapping up. In 30, 40 years, what do you hope people.

say about Emma Chamberlain? I would hope that people would say that. in one way or another. like something that I said, something. that I shared. made them feel inspired or made them. feel comforted in some way. Like that's. my main goal is I want people to feel. comfortable and heard. by. listening to me, but also. kind of like safe in a way, too.

Emma Chamberlain, thank you for. Alex Cooper, daddy. We did it. We. finally. Dude, it's been a long time coming. I'm. [ __ ] sweating. I'm sweating. Dude, I am dehydrated. My legs are. cramping. We're a mess. great. I'm literally Well, I mean, that. was This has just opened up a whole new. chapter for me. and 42 minutes. This is going to be. another two-part series. I Wait, we. needed this, though. I could have kept. going, too. I I do feel Yeah, it was like. therapeutic. Yeah, we needed. Great work. Thank you, Alex. Thank you for having.

me. That was. That was.