Chloe Bailey: Relationship Red Flags & Redefining Success

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. Chloe Bailey, welcome to Call Her Daddy. >> I'm so happy to be here with you. >> I have been so excited to meet you. We, I feel like as a collective to the. world, kind of became like, okay, knowing of you at when you were 13 years. old. >> That is young. >> Very. >> You're 13, you're singing covers on.

YouTube, you're going viral, and then. casually you and your sister like have. Grammy nominations underneath your belt, like casual, and then you also have a. complete successful solo career. >> Thank you. >> And you're an actress, and you're doing. it all. So, I'm excited to talk to you. >> I'm so happy to talk to you. Thanks for. having me. >> Also, I realized that this is going to. come out, I think, on your birthday. >> birthday, July 1st. Boo, boo, boo. I'll. be 28. Like, 28. Like, this is the year. of eating it down. >> Okay, is that what we're calling it? >> Yes, 28. I'm even getting myself a cake.

that says 20. a t e. >> Tell me how you're feeling. What like. >> I'm feeling really good. >> Okay. >> like, top of the year, I was like, "Ooh, I'm getting a little up there." But, I'm. like, "You know what? I am feeling. really good. I've been working my ass. off, and I'm like seeing the fruits of. my labor, but I'm also realizing what's. important and what's not, and what makes. me the happiest. And I'm feeling pretty. good. I'm healing. I am doing self-work. >> So, this is like a birthday celebration.

>> Yes. Yeah. >> Also, I love how you were like, "I'm. getting up there." 28 is so young. >> But, I'm 2 years from 30. And 30's not old. >> I know, but. >> I'm 30, flirty, and thriving. >> I I get it, but we convince ourselves. that we're old. And then you like sit. with your parents or something, and. you're like, "Oh, I still have a long. way to go.". >> I feel old when I watch like the reality. TV shows. Like, "I'm 22. I'm 21." But, I. feel mentally 21. >> Okay. >> Even 19. >> Well, you look perfect. And with no. makeup, I look like 16, 15. People are.

like, "Oh, you're so kind." Like I was. on Rodale shopping and she was like, "Your mother raised you so well. How old. are you?" People are like, "I'm in high. school." I was like, "I'm 27." She goes, >> [gasps]. >> And that it happens all the time. >> It's so crazy how women we just it's. like the understandable constant. fixation on what age we are. >> I know. >> And then like it slowly is nice, I will. say. I remember when I turned 30 and I. was like, "Okay, actually everything I'm alive, I'm breathing, everything's actually. feels like it's still only getting. better." Like this is a good sign cuz we.

think it would as we're getting older. we're like. >> It'll decline. But it's only like. getting better. >> Yes. Do we have birthday party plans? >> So, I really want to be in St. Lucia for. my birthday and I'm obsessed with the. water. I'm a water baby. I love the. ocean. I love swimming. And I haven't. jumped off a boat in a long time. So, that's what I will be doing when this. comes out. >> Jumping off boats. >> Yes. And then I'll prove pictures if I. actually did it. >> Perfect. Okay, I know you're someone. that kind of manifests. Is there.

anything we're manifesting for 28? >> Uh just to be a better human being. Anything that. you know, because hurt people hurt. people. So, anything that might be in. the tuck somewhere, I want to get rid of. that. That's what I That's what I want. to do. >> I also love how I feel like you are. someone that when you manifest, it happens. Because you basically. manifested getting signed to be on Tay's. label at a young age and it happened. >> tell you, I wish I had my positivity and.

confidence that I had when I was younger. because it's true. Anything I put on my. mood board, any like I would tell. because I was like number one beehive. I. would tell Halley, I would tell. everybody, "We're going to be the first. artist signed to Beyoncé." And she used. to say, uh this is how you know I'm true. beehive. She used to say how she was. going to sign a boy band and I was like, "No, she's going to sign us, Halley. She's going to sign us. We're going to. be the first." And I would just always. say that. >> And literally it happened. >> it happened. And then I even put. like Grammys on the mood board. I put a.

script next to Donald Glover's face. years because I had because I loved. Atlanta. I put so many different things. have come true from those. And now as we. get older, we kind of get a little. jaded, a little we kind of erode away. little by little. So of course. self-doubt creeps in, but if I had, you. know, the belief that I had, I'm sure a. lot of things would come quicker. >> Do we still have a mood board to this. day? >> Oh, yes. I do it more for like artistic. vision. >> Okay. Okay, aesthetic.

>> Yes, aesthetic. Like I made like six or. seven for my third album that hasn't. come out yet. But like I already knew. what I wanted it to say and so I I was. with my family. It was over like holiday. break and I just had like. 15 magazines and I was just. It It's nice. I like artistic stuff. >> a mood board. Also to anyone else like. go home and make a mood board and like. put Beyoncé on it. >> Oh, yeah. >> [laughter]. >> Like maybe. >> looking at her will embody like. >> Oh, confident. >> Yes. >> Can Okay, we need to go back. Okay. You. That's not the first time you met her.

You're 3 years old, which is this like. kind of a crazy story. You're 3 years. old and it is and you played a younger. version of Beyoncé's character in a. movie. So technically you met her when. you were three. >> Yeah. >> Do you cuz I know three is so young. Do. you have any stories that anyone has. told you from that time in your life. >> on set? I faintly remember. I have a. pretty good memory from when I was that. age, which is weird. >> Tell us. >> But for me, there was one of my favorite. like yellow pink sunflower dresses. I.

That's what I wore to the audition. It. was my very first audition. So I was. three when I auditioned and we shot it. in July. And I think it was like a. couple days away past my birthday. So it. was like top of July. That's what I. remember. And I remember I used to hate. mints, right? So I started at the top of. the scene and I had a little cute. boyfriend on the steps at the top, and I. hated mints. So, we had to wrap them in. strawberry candy. for me to continue filming. That I. remember how disgusted I was with the. mints. I remember Beyoncé picking me up. and holding me, and I remember.

fan-girling because I loved Destiny's. Child. Then I remember at the wrap party, because I had a little Fighting. Temptations camera they gave everyone, I. still remember it. She was dancing with me at the wrap. party, picked me up, swung me around. Then I remember, sorry, now I'm five. Now I'm five. >> [laughter]. >> And my baby sister Halle, she was three, and my sister Sky, I think she was. How old was she at the time? 12. She. even had a black strappy dress. See, I. remember specific details. And we went. to crawl, well, my sister crawled and I,

but mainly her, she started it, to go. see B, and I think she had like this. diamond dress on at the premiere. And my. sister's baby locs got caught in her. hair. And dress, no, her dress, yes. Those I remember specifically, and I. will never forget it. >> You have a really good memory. So, after. that moment, you're 10 and your sisters. eight when you guys start uploading. covers to YouTube. Who's idea was that? >> It was our older sister Sky's. And any. like we were singing around Atlanta in. our church dresses, at clubs, at venues,

at anything we could be at. And this was. around the time when Justin Bieber was. popping on YouTube. I think Grayson. Chance was popping off of YouTube. So, Sky was like, "Hey, maybe you guys. should post stuff on YouTube." And you. know, other little people around Atlanta. were like, "Yeah, that'd be a good. idea." We were always like, "No, no.". And of course, Best Thing I Never Had. came out. We were singing it around the. house. We were like, "This is the one.". This was around the time where we had to. burn the instrumental on a CD. We had to.

put it in a stereo, it was red and. black, plug it in, put it in there. We. had the camera. Uh Sky had to press play with her toe. while she did the camera. And sis and I, we put on our dressiest shirts because. we're showing up and showing out on. YouTube. Uh we ended up having to change it to. more simpler tank tops and that is the. rough imaging that you see of Chloe and. Halle really doing the thing. >> The video I watched them again this. morning just so I could like relive it. and the videos are so precious and it's.

so OG YouTube. It makes it even better. Like I forgot how just genuine and. organic the internet used to feel. It. really felt like just like a home video, right? >> Yes. >> And then. your cover of Pretty Hurts gets 23. million views on YouTube and maybe more. importantly. it gets Miss Beyonce's attention. >> What do you do?

>> I was freaking out, jumping up and down, screaming. We get a response. They're. like, "Bet." So maybe it took about a. month. We ended up seeing Bey in a. warehouse. Sis and I it was dark. I. think she was shooting some commercial. It was dark. She was in this white. jumpsuit, looked like an angel. And you. know, she saw the picture that we had. when I was four and I think she'd like. early 20s. And yeah, she was like, "Oh. my gosh." And it was like a sign. And. then she told us before she wanted to. sign us, Miss Tina sent her the video. and was like, "You need to sign these. girls." And she was like, "Mom, I. already did.".

>> It's too good. Also like the warehouse. and her looking angelic and being and. getting to see her in her element. When. you got that recognition from her, what. do you think that changed within you and. your sister from just being like, "Okay, we're singing YouTube covers." So like. Beyonce Knowles is acknowledging our. existence not only but also blessing us. and saying, "You are talented.". >> like a you know when you're younger. and you don't really know all that you. have to do. It felt like the I made it. moment in that time.

>> And like little did you know how much. more you were going to go on to do, but. in that moment it was so validating. >> Yes. >> Okay, then you guys casually end up. opening for her Formation World Tour. >> Mhm. >> That is That doesn't even go on people's. mood board cuz that's not like. >> The stadium was on the mood board. >> Beyoncé is selling out stadiums. How big. of crowds had you even performed for. prior to that? >> Oh, nowhere near that. Are you kidding. me? And it was the Europe leg and it was.

just I had my beat machine. It was so. hot sometimes during the summer that it. would overheat and it wouldn't work and. that I was triggering our songs from. there. We had some tacky outfits, but we. were performing our little hearts out. We did not care, dancing, choreography, everything. Halle had her guitar. We. were giving it our all. >> I think also the trajectory from YouTube. to then working with someone like. Beyoncé, like that is the dream of all. dreams. Were you nervous to be in front.

of such a huge stadium? >> me? I still get nervous. I have bad. nerves even to this day, but I feel like. I'm an adrenaline junkie. and it's kind of fun. In the moment it. feels like. you're paralyzed. Like it gets so bad. for me to the point of. almost like wanting to throw up. Like I. remember there was this BET performance. I had to honor Usher and it was of good. kisser and I'm in my bedazzled jumpsuit. and I'm like bent over. So there's this. stool that I had to start, you know,

perched up on, but before they opened. up, you know, the stuff, the platforms. or whatever, I'm sitting there doubled. over like. cuz I can't stand straight without. falling over and then all of a sudden. the song comes on and I'm going boom. boom boom. >> And you just turn it on. >> Yes. >> So you're just like a real performer cuz. I also think there's something weird. about YouTube, right? It's like you're. in front of a camera, but there's no one. behind the camera and so it's similar to. now like almost like people on the. internet when you were getting famous on. the internet, no one is in the room with.

you. And then when you actually have to. go meet people and perform live, there. is this element that you have to retrain. your body to be like, "Oh my god, I'm. not just doing it for the internet. anymore. I'm doing it for the world. And. now I'm doing it in a stadium with. Beyoncé coming out after us. No. pressure.". Is there any advice that she gave you in. those early days that has just like. stuck with you throughout your career? >> The early advice she gave us, she used. to call us her little aliens because we. were so like different and like she. would say like out of this world and she. would always say, you know, the world.

won't get it yet. But don't dumb. yourselves down for the world. Let the. world catch up to you. And even now as. I'm 27 going on 28, it's still that way. with my music. Like I'll release it, oh. and then they don't like it then months. later, oh this is a bop. So I'm like it. just it's strange here a little bit. >> I mean I I think also someone in her. position who has gone through so many. different iterations, that's such an. incredible bit of advice to give you of. like almost just like having resilience. also to just be patient. Cuz in our.

careers you want to just go go go. especially as women and we feel like we. have this tiny window. But it's like we. have time. It's so true. What a concept. >> Mhm. Daddy gang, today's episode is. brought to you by Sour Patch Kids. Anyone who works at Unwell could tell. you we keep them literally everywhere in. the office. You're in an edit bay, Sour. Patch Kids. You're in a conference room, Sour Patch Kids. My desk drawers, multiple packs of Sour Patch Kids. My. pockets, Sour Patch Kids because.

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Lean into your mischievous side with. Sour Patch Kids. You and your sister obviously have had. so many milestones. I feel like in those. very beginning days you became almost. like known as this unit, right? >> Yes. >> How would you describe your dynamic with. Halle? >> So, I'm the cancer, she's the Aries. We are like the complete opposite. Yet, we are just the same. This is how I. could describe it. So, we have cats who.

are brothers, Poseidon and Apollo. They're actual brothers. And Poseidon, he's very demure, very to himself. He. doesn't really like people. He likes his space. Don't bother him. Apollo, clingy, all up in your face, constant. zoomies, loves the cuddles, everything. like that. So, that is Halle and I in. cat form. >> Wait, wait, wait. Which one Which one's. Apollo? >> Me. >> Oh my You're saying you're clingy? >> Yeah. >> You want to cuddle up on your sister and. like be near her and she's like, "Leave. me alone.". >> Yes. >> I guess that is so you being like the.

older sister and she's the younger. She's too cool. >> It Yes, that is exactly us in cat form. They embodied our spirits. >> You have said in the past that you've. always taken on this like motherly role. and feel really protective over Halle. >> Very. >> How has that shown up through your just. like different stages of your lives and. your career? >> It's so funny because sometimes I have. to tell myself, "Okay, Chloe, dial it. back.". I think because growing up in the house. ever since we were little girls, I.

always felt like I had to protect her. And that still hasn't gone away. And. with her becoming a mother, I'm not a. mom, there's. a new level of life she unlocked even. before I did. So, I have to be like, "Chloe, you all have different journeys. She is raising her child. This is not. she's not your child. >> [laughter]. >> So, I've had to do a lot of letting go. because.

Halle's always been my like my little. doll baby and I'd always put her before. myself through everything in life. And. so it's like I have to retrain myself to. be like, "Okay, we're both our own. individuals and our own adults. Let go, Chloe.". >> That is really sweet and I feel like. anyone who's watching who has a sister. cuz I do, I feel that I'm the youngest. and then my sister is the oldest. So, I'm feeling that energy of like my. sister's like that to me, too. And even. though sometimes I'm like, "Oh my god, leave me alone." I actually really don't.

know what I would do without her because. I'm like, "Wait, no." But it's like I. don't want you there but like I know. you're there and it's like a nice. feeling. I also remember, which makes me. so sad for you guys, like reading. you know, understandably how disturbing. you found it when people would try to. pit you and your sister against each. other, which is. they already try to do that to women. every day but to do it also to like. sisters where you're like, "That is my. blood." Like, "Where are you going with. this?" is pretty crazy. When was the.

first time do you think you became aware. of this? I think after. >> [laughter]. >> after Best Thing I Never Had came out, our very first cover and we got posted. on WorldStar. And you know, of course, WorldStar lethal. Lethal. Yeah, that was. that was the very first time. But like. the thing that people don't realize with. Sis and I is that we are so different. Like my sister, she grew up loving jazz. She still does. Jazz, neo-soul, you. know, the vibes. You know, she plays. guitar, very boo boho. Me, I'm like I.

love the pop, lock and drop it, the. heavy drums. You hear it in my. production. And that's that was the. beauty of Chloe and Halle. That is what. the beauty of Chloe and Halle is because. we're bringing two different sides of. ourselves. But I think wanted to see. either all of this side from both of us. or all of this side from both of us. And, you can never please everybody. So, I mean, of course, there are groups. Like all groups, you all have your. favorite or whatever, but it was it hurt.

us sometimes. Like when we'd see certain. comments like Halley and I we'd talk to. each other like, "Oh my gosh, is this. true about me?" And And then she'll say, "Is this true about me?" And we'd be. like, "No, it's not." And it's like we'd. have to uplift each other. I mean, even. today, like they'll say I do too much. Or like. my sister does the opposite or things. like that. But, that's the beauty of us. We're like fire and water. >> Did they ever go for it was it just like.

career? Did they ever go for your looks. or your. >> Yeah, I mean, we're two black girls with. locs in the industry. It's not I mean, now it's becoming more mainstream and. I'm really happy to see that. I really. am. But, like it wasn't cool to be. young, black with short little locs. Like I remember sometimes being in. school like. It's funny. There's a self-portrait of. me. I was four and you had to do a. self-portrait. And I drew myself like I. had like this straight ponytail. And I'm like, "Chloe, now I can laugh at.

it." But, it's funny how we see. ourselves when we look at our friends. and we're like, "That's what I'm. supposed to look like. That's what I'm. supposed to be like." So, we definitely. have to pull our self-confidence from. inside because it wasn't that accepted. And even like when we would go on. auditions when we were younger in. Atlanta, our acting agents would be. like, "Oh, you know, you might get more roles if you have. regular hair." So, we even invested in. getting these terrible lace-front like. really curly wigs. And I remember I even.

went to school orientation in it. They're like, "Oh my gosh, your locs." I. said, "Yeah, I combed them out." Then a. week later it was first day of school, I. was back with my locs and I was like, "I. put them back in.". No, child. It's so funny. But, yeah, those are. different things we went through. And I. remember I went through a time, I think. maybe 18, 19, before I started really. styling my locs in different ways. I was. like, "I want to get rid of my hair. Like, I. want to switch it up." But, then I got. introduced to wrapping my locs cuz I. won't ever dye it cuz it'll kind of. break them off. And like adding hair and.

things like that. And I love my locs. I'll never change them. >> Well, first of all, I'm so sorry you had. to go through that because you're right. Like, hearing that also from young kids your. same age, I cannot imagine being in a position. where you are authentically showing up. as yourself, and you are being judged. for something that is just who you are. and something you're like, "Wait, I. can't control this. This is Right. >> As little children. That's what gets me. >> Right. And then to look for a solution.

because had those people not gotten. involved, you would have just still. thought, "I'm beautiful. And I'm with my. sister. And when I'm in my household, I. feel so confident." Like, that's the. part when you're a child and you're put. into those situations with other peers, it starts to be this like horrible. self-doubt. that you have, and you're so critical of. yourself, and it takes a really long. time, I'm sure, to then get to the point. where you're like, "Wait, maybe I am okay as I am.". >> Yes, you don't need outer validation to.

>> make it easy in the beginning though. >> you're growing up thinking that your. self-worth is dependent on what you can. do and what you bring. >> Do you think though it made it. easier having you and your sister be. together in. >> Yes. >> We clung so tight to each other, and. we weren't alone. Like, we weren't going. through the criticism, even the. positivity alone. Like, we were. rejoicing together, and we had a partner. to celebrate with, and even cry with.

>> I'm also. thinking too about, you know, coming up, like, you're having such success cuz. you're naturally talented. And then I do. feel like we hear about this often. becoming in this industry, everyone. wants you to have a very recognizable. image, right? And you're talking about. like as a young black girl like I'm. trying to figure out who I am and then. add on also being in the entertainment. industry adds another level of. complexity because everyone's going to. try to change you regardless.

Regardless. So it's like how did you. so work through the essentially. dichotomy of like merging two worlds. from already struggling with something. and then it blowing up even more as. people were like we need you to look. like this, we need you to pose like. this. >> I think the care and the love for the. art overshadowed all of that. So the joy. that we felt when we were creating, the. joy when I'd be nerding out by my. computer with my beats till like 4:00 in. the morning in like our garage studio,

the joy of listening to it back, the joy. of knowing that we did have fans cuz at. this moment we're very underground, like. we're like two black indie girls at this. moment. So the joy of that, the love of. it, that is what overpowered it all. >> I also love what you, you know, were. saying where you have people comparing. you. and this is your sister and you're like. we're so different but in the best ways, that's what makes us us and then. eventually you do decide to go and. explore a solo career. Was there any.

part of you guys that had conversations. of like what will the world think cuz. are we almost like. like is this going to fuel more rumors? Do you know what I mean? >> So the funny thing is that it was never. planned. And and we're not broken up, we're just like on a cute little hiatus. >> Yeah. >> And my sister booked The Little Mermaid. as Ariel. >> Yes, she did. >> And she had to move to London. She ended. up filming it for about 3 years. because it was in the middle of COVID. So we had our album Ungodly Hour done,

we had the visual shot and everything. but we didn't have a release date. So. then SZA went off to London and we. didn't know when we'd ever put out the. project. So COVID happens. She comes back home. We get a release date. So then we. started doing. tennis court performances and everything. during COVID and Ungodly Hour kind of. took our group to the next level. So it was never planned in that time to. like kind of go like that. But of course. during the pandemic, it's hard to.

travel. I couldn't even visit her in. London after that because of all the. travel restrictions. So I'm just with my. little beat machine in my bedroom, just. making ideas. I'm like. You know, I'm not with my other half. So I'm like, "Okay, this is 3 years." So. I'm like, "Okay.". >> Had that been the longest you'd been. apart also? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> We wouldn't We didn't even Yeah, we. didn't even spend a week apart. And when. she first went to London, I went out. there with her for 2 months because. she's like, "Chloe, I don't think I. could be without you." So I went out. there and anytime she'd go to set, you. know, with rehearsals, I'd work out with.

her in the morning with her trainer and. then I'd be in her trailer the whole day. while she was rehearsing and I'd just be. making beats in the trailer until it was. time for her to come and we go home. Yeah. And the days I didn't go, I would. do SoulCycle, but that was like maybe. once or twice, but I would always go to. set with her. Just so she knew I was. there when she'd come in for lunch, things like that. >> You are. such a ride or die. >> That's when the idea came and I was. like, "Okay, I'm making all these ideas. Maybe I should just put it out." Cuz I'm. just like a like building and. accumulating all this music throughout 3.

years. So this opportunity for this like um it. was Juneteenth actually. Juneteenth is a. special time for me. I mean. anyways, come to think of it. So I. wanted to do a cover of Feeling Good by. Nina Simone. I love Nina Simone. I. always have since I was a little girl. I. think that's where I get like my lower. tone register inspo from, her and Toni. Braxton. >> Love it. >> So you know me with my little. electronics, I did it from you know, I. wanted to use my background to almost. like a synth and of course heavy 808s. got to have that. It's a little weird.

alternative. I turned to Janine and. they're like, oh, you want to do this. late night performance of it? I was. like, sure, yeah. We didn't have a place. for the late night performance. So, this would have been my first. performance without my sister. I'm like, hold on, wait a minute. Now, the two of. us, between the two of us, I really love. dancing. Like all of our ungodly hour. performances and everything because we. couldn't see a choreographer, I would. come up with the dance moves and I'd. teach it to her. So, we had like our. little dance studio in the house. So, I. was like, okay, Chloe, what am I going. to do? So, I was like, I want to dance.

for this performance. So, I practiced. I even sprained the. left side of my neck because I wanted to. really just do whatever the heck on the. floor. I was like, let's just do it. Let's just. go all out. And, you know, I shot the performances. And we didn't really have a place for it. and they're like, oh, well, it's going. to go. on the Juneteenth special. I think it. was NBC, one of those like news ones. I'm like, because it was a little, you know, but. at that moment it was already shot,

money had been spent. >> we can't. >> I was like, I'm still proud of my. performance. >> It was meant for late night. >> Yeah, it wasn't really meant for like. daytime television. The. the moms in America just being like, >> Yeah, but I was like, you know what? It's already done. So, it airs, huge. uproar. That's just too sexy, this, that. Mind you, I'm fully clothed, but. yes, I was gyrating around. I'm not going to lie, it's not for. daytime television, but you know, I'm. moving. I was just really giving it my.

all. So, it made this huge uproar online. and I'm like, whoa. And anytime I would. post, you know, myself or my body or. anything like that, they would freak the. heck out. And I was like, why? At this. moment, I think I'm 21. Like, I'm like, I don't get the big deal. why everyone's freaking out. So, this. performance freaked everyone out. I was. getting so much [ __ ] So much. Ah. I ended up getting this beat because I. was posting my beats on my Instagram at. the time from Murda Beatz. He DM'd me,

"Yo, let's make some beats together.". I was like, "Bet." Mind you, I would. never answer DMs cuz there are a lot of. creeps up in there. So, I'm like, but he was really about the music. That's how I got Metro's contact, too. They were really about the music. So, Murda had sent me about 10 beats at this. time. He sent me this one, "Booty so. big." Lord have mercy. I'm like, "Ooh, I like this." I'm even. getting chills talking about it. I still remember I was in my car. listening to it. I turned it off because. if I hear it all, my mind will. immediately start coming up with.

creative ideas, and it won't shut off. So, if I know I like a beat, I'll turn. it off until I'm ready to create. And I. was like, "I really want to talk my [ __ ]. on this." It's talking about "Booty so. big," but I don't really know if I had. the balls to write like that yet. So, this guy, Theron, amazing writer, has written so many hits. It was our first session together. It. was me and him and my engineer. He comes. in, and you know, he's like, "What are. you going through right now?" And I. ended up saying, "You know, I'm really. upset because people aren't letting me.

be me in the body that I have. Like, first they tell me, 'Oh, she's amazing. She's being restricted.' Then they tell. me, 'Oh, she's showing her body too. much.' All of this." And I was like, "I. really just want to use this song to. just get my feelings out and talk my. shit.". We wrote it that day, the scratch demo. Then I ended up uh actually recutting it. with just me and my engineer, and I. added my backgrounds and everything like. that. And I was like, "Gosh darn it, this feels really great." I knew this. was the first song I wanted to put out.

So, all this is happening all while my. sister is in London. >> You see The Little Mermaid, and you're. like, "So, did you see that daytime TV. thing I sent. >> So, all of this is happening in. conjunction with one another. So, it's. not like I just went. on my own, you know what I mean? >> What did she think about the daytime uh. television moment? >> "Chloe, it's great. I love it. Yes, the. moves." We're on FaceTime and you know, she had her cute little extensions, the. red, and you know, she'd always wear her. head scarves because she couldn't show.

that she had the red hair because no one. really knew what her look would be. She's like, "Oh girl, yes, yes." Just. like that. So, it was really great. because at that time I'm working with. Murda, I'm working with Metro, I'm. working with all these heavy hitters in. terms of production. I'm like, "They. respect my work. They respect what I. do." Like and it was my first time. actually believing in myself as my own. because I didn't think I had worth or. value without my sister. So, even now, like because we were like.

this, it's you it's like you know you're. special because. I can look over at my sister and I know. she has a phenomenal voice. I know she's. beautiful, but it's harder to look in. the mirror and say those things to. yourself. Yeah, it's almost like. >> You guys had each other as this crutch. >> Yes. >> That you came up in this industry. together. So, to remove that, you're. like, "Wait, what am I without her?". >> Yeah. >> Where's Halle? And it's like, "No, no, no, time for you both to soar and fly on. your own." And you're like still. grabbing for each other, but it's like. you're getting farther away and it's.

like, "Go go do your thing. I'm going to. do my thing and I'll we'll meet back up. later.". >> scary. But what I loved about those. lyrics, it was like, "Why do I keep bossing like. I do, flossing like I do?" And I was. just I was talking my [ __ ] Like, you. know, he like my laffy taffy cuz all. these guys were online talking about my. body or whatever. I'm not all my body. Yes, that's a part of me, but I'm this. nerd, really smart, funny girl, but. yeah, I'm showing a little booty, and. what about it? >> And what about it?

>> Yes. So, I was really that's what it. was. So, I put that out on my birthday. It goes viral. Everyone's doing the. challenge, "The booty so big, Lord have. mercy." The song isn't even out. I'm like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa." Because my. sister and we weren't mainstream. We. were like indie underground girls. So, I. wasn't expecting much from this. Going 100,000, 200,000 views, 300,000. friends. I'm like, "Whoa." So, now. everyone's like, "Put it out. Put it. out. Put it out." So, I put this song out through Columbia. that we were signed to, you know, in.

conjunction with Parkwood. And we release it, I think September. 5th. And because the song was so viral, VMAs. called and asked me to perform. Even before it dropped. So, I'm in New. Jersey rehearsing for my very first. debut performance. This is crazy. For my. very first debut performance. And the. day the video drops, we're sitting on. the ground in rehearsal. And it like had 4 million in one night. It was just everywhere. >> Hearing you talk about making a moment.

for yourself and going for something you. love. And like you saying, like you're. such a creative. You hear something, you're like, "I need to get I I have a. vision. I want to do it." But leaning. into the commentary about your looks and. your body, I think as women, it's so. relatable. It's like, "If I I'm going to. call it what it is. And I want to own. it." Because you're Why do you all get. to talk about it, but I can't talk about. it? Let make it make sense. >> you. You get to tell me, "Ooh, she got a. nice ass." But I can't go in the mirror. and go, "I got a nice ass." So, like why.

can you It's like everyone feels like. they have ownership over women's bodies. And in this. >> Except the one who owns it. >> Chloe. No, no, no. We're on to something here, Chloe. >> [laughter]. >> No, no, no. And it's it's so. infuriating. And so, I remember cuz I'd. written down, like I remember when. people called you like too sexy. And. they were insinuating that you're using. your sexuality to force a rebrand. And. it's like, "Wait [laughter] a second. Who was the person that sexualized me in. the first place? All of you." And so, here I am now celebrating.

>> myself, who I am. I'm coming into my. own. >> And now it's upsetting everyone. >> Yeah, I didn't know why it made such a. big deal. >> Because I have I'm in this skin all my. life and to be honest, like we can like. ourselves, but it's hard to really dive. into the self-love thing. So, for me, I. just. I was confused. I was like, "Whoa, what. is happening?". And so, when that happened, it was like. almost taking something bad and making. it good. And because of all that. negativity, I got my first platinum. single, my debut solo single turned.

platinum. >> Yes, you did. >> And that's insane cuz even talking about. it now, that's a huge debut. And I think. I have to remember that and celebrate. myself in the times where I don't feel. like. I'm good. enough. >> I think that is so relatable as women. where we I was talking about this with. my friend the other day. I'm like, "Whenever one of us has a win, why do we not pause and celebrate?". Because the mood board has always been. there. Like, if you told young Chloe.

this story, she'd be like, >> Huh? >> Excuse me? >> Mhm. >> No, we can retire. We're done. That's. perfect. That's That's all we could have. ever asked for. And when you're in it, it's so hard to. >> Where can I go to next?". >> And we're so hard on ourselves. And so, the fact Yes, you could Let's take a. moment right now where it's like, look at what you did. in that moment from that young girl on. YouTube to then having that moment with. Mercy. You're like,

>> It was crazy. >> Platinum. >> And after the VMAs performance, I just broke down crying on the side of. the stage and that Halle even came back. from London, so she was there. All my. family was there, my godmom, my. godbrother, my younger brother. We were. all there and I just broke down on the. side of the stage because there were so. many people who told me I couldn't do. it, that I wasn't good as a solo artist. Uh people that I knew personally would. tell me that and I just really didn't. feel like I was worth much. So, to know. that I had that moment at the VMAs, I.

just literally broke down crying on the. side of the stage because it was like I. got to prove it to myself that I was. good enough. >> Khloe, that makes I mean, there's so. much that you're saying that I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes for women. And I. wonder if you have any. just like opinion or take now of where. you're sitting and looking back on. yourself. Like, why do you think people. are so uncomfortable when a woman, especially a black woman, is so. confident in who she is as a person and.

her sexuality? >> Because there's too much power in that. You can control people and confine them. when they don't know how special they. are. You can keep them trapped in that box. >> It's so true. It's like there's two They. don't want us to recognize our worth. because once we do, I saw something. where people like, oh my god, the older. women get, they although they're. devaluing us, we actually only become. more cognizant of like who we are and.

what we want. And so, they act like. we're only worthy at 18 and 19 and 20. when really they know that's just the. like when we're the most vulnerable and. the brink of it, right? And so, to hear. you lean into your success and your. power in that moment and to see it go. platinum, like that's so rewarding. I'm. I'm so happy for you. >> to to think about. It's incredible. Thank you. >> Um in the midst of all of this. >> Yes. >> you said that being in the spotlight for. most of your life made you tie your.

happiness to your career and your public. perception. When do you think you came to that. realization? >> Years ago. But even more so now. Like, I'm such a. huge advocate for therapy. And I say this all the time like we're. taught to work out and work on our. bodies and watch what we eat, but our. mind is a muscle just the same and we. have to do that as well. There might be some un-habits we have to.

learn. We might have to. figure out how to squat the proper way. mentally. so we don't hurt ourselves. Uh things like that, but. I think because I started at so young, it's like it's rewarding when you get an. applause for hitting the right note. It's rewarding when you bring in some. money for this deal. It's rewarding, but that's not what's. all that special about you.

>> It's a great point. So, do you think a. couple years ago what was there a moment. or was it kind of creeping up on you. where you're like, why am I feeling this. way? Like. >> it's it creeps up on you. And even now I'm very. cognizant about it. Like I don't think that ever goes away. It's hard to unlearn something that has. been your blueprint your entire life. But I think when you surround people. surround yourself with people who don't.

need a damn thing from you, you realize, wait. You actually keep me around because you. like me as a person. Not because of what I can do for you. So, for me, it's very freeing, and I think that's. when you get closer to the self-love. journey. >> But. what I can feel. behind that right now when you just are.

getting a little emotional is. it takes though realizing, oh you're so. priest of those kind of people because. you had the other kind of person in your. life who was using you or made you feel. like, oh my god, my my worth is all. wrapped up in. what I bring to the table. And so I have. to work, and I have to work, and I need. to succeed, and I need to succeed. because if all of this goes away, all. these people will go away and then what. am I worth? >> Yes. >> Exactly. >> How did getting stuck into that cycle a.

little bit of like. your career and it really getting. enmeshed with your self-worth start to. affect your mental health? >> I think when it started to affect my. mental health was around when I after. the Have Mercy success, I have all these. eyes on me. And I think because people were waiting. on what I was going to do next. And. everyone around me was like, "No, we. have to make sure the next one's. perfect." So, even though I was creating. music, we waited like 8 months till I. put out my next single. Which if I could. rewind it, I would have just kept the.

momentum going because it's hard to. build it back up. So, I think when I actually released my. first album. and it didn't sell the. great amount that people wanted to, but. it's the normal amount today. It was. 10K. Everyone was shunning me. I was. like, "Oh my gosh, am I not as great as. I thought or everyone thought?" Like. they thought I was going to be this big. thing. So, it was around the same time. The best. thing that.

my manager Shurmaine could have done was. book a tour for me a week after the. album came out. And that was at that. time it was kind of unheard of. No one. goes on tour to tour an album nobody. knows. So, as I'm on tour, as I am in press. interviews, they're like, "Oh, how do. you feel about the low selling numbers?". All this stuff, blah blah blah. But then, the first night, everyone. knows the song the songs word for word. I'm like, "Hold on.". Meet and greets, the whole tour was sold. out. So, I'm like, "Wait, I'm confused. This see this online, then I see this in.

real life. What's happening?". And I think it was really getting to me. I think it was. the show before Philly. And I always get nervous before every. performance. This specific show, I think. it had gotten to me and I was just like, "You know what?" And that show I had no. nerves. It was like I was watching it. happen in front of me in the audience. and I was watching my body and my arms. and my legs and my seeing everything. happening in front of me, but I wasn't. there. And. >> [laughter]. >> I hope she doesn't mind me saying this. Um. after that, I go backstage.

Uh Shamaya is my manager. I call her. Mommy cuz she's my godmother. She takes me to the dressing room in the. back. I think it was like two of like. the glam team were back there. She goes, looks at me, she goes, "Chloe, if I ever see you like that again, I'mma. [ __ ] you up. Don't ever let no. [ __ ] take your joy from you. Something that God gave you that gift. If I ever see you like that again." So, from that day, she would always be at. the front of the stage because. I was just not there. I just was like, okay, I don't feel that strong enough.

mentally to give off. to perform songs that people say, "Oh, didn't sell well." Whatever, blah blah. blah. So, that's when I attached it to. my self-worth. But then, I was like, wait. And after that, it. marked from Philly to the rest of the. tour, I was on cloud nine. And it didn't. really matter. >> First of all, thank you for sharing that. because I think something that. is really difficult to talk about, especially with social media these days,

is. what does success actually look like? And when we look at social media, we are. inundated with they got the job, they. sold, they went platinum, they. >> people see you in public and they go, "What are you up to?". >> Yeah, yes. >> What you up to? >> Exactly. Like living, trying to be like. get my mental health together. Like. leave me alone, but it's there's so much. that we are seeing constantly of. people's wins that when you are having.

what you would consider like, oh, I. actually think this would have been. good, but I guess that by that standard, it's not great, and therefore it's. complete failure. Like we've lost the. barometer. I genuinely believe of like. what success actually looks like for. ourselves. And the fact that like you're. on stage, you are on tour, you are. performing. That seems very successful. to me. But understandably, you're like, "Oh my god, but everyone had this idea.

of what I was supposed to be doing.". Yes, but that wasn't your path at that. moment. And. like and this is still a win. And I look. back at videos and I'm like, "Oh my god, I miss tour." But I wish I appreciated. it more in the moment because I was so. in my head. And now I'm watching videos, I'm like, "Oh, I was getting it.". And [laughter] so that's what I I. Now I am learning to be more present in. the moments because. tomorrow isn't promised. All of these. moments are fleeting. All right,

sometimes I'll be like, "Oh my gosh, I'm. so tired. Press book back-to-back.". There's some days there's nothing. It's. like, "Oh, I I miss that." So now I walk. into spaces with a different sense of. gratitude, a different sense of appreciation, and. knowing that this is my job and yes, I'm. happy this is here, but the same people. cheering me on now, they were quiet a. month or two ago. So that shouldn't. really validate me because it's a. facade. Right. It's going to come and. go. How do you feel? What what what. makes you feel fulfilled? And when.

you're looking back at yourself and. you're realizing, "How was I not happy. in that moment when that should have. been such a great moment?" It's almost. you have to start re-regulating how you. operate and look at success for. yourself. And I think that's applicable. to everyone probably watching this show. of like whether it's your job or your. family or your relationship, like we get. so in our head comparing everything. around us that it's like, "Girl, you're. missing the moment." It's so true. And I. used to This is how I know I've gotten. thicker skin. I used to like crumble.

with people online about me, all this. stuff. When people talk or have a discourse. now, I'm like, "Thank you so much for. giving me great interaction and. engagement. Thank you. >> Cuz you're impenetrable now. >> Yes, and guess what? You're running my. numbers up. Brand see that? Are you. putting bread into my account by talking. [ __ ]. >> Like, no, it's just like a comment is a. comment and you. >> grateful. You have me trending? Oh, baby, thank you. >> Yeah, I that's how I look at it now. Like, people could be tearing my name. down and I'm like, I'll be home like,

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advisory services via SoFi Wealth LLC. >> In a past interview, you referenced. reaching a point where you just wanted. to say no. >> Mhm. >> Can you share what you mean by that and. what was going on? >> I'm a people pleaser. I don't like people being upset with me. I don't like knowing people think I did. something wrong to them. I just love to people please. And sometimes when you people please,

you leave yourself out, darling. And. I've learned it's okay to say no. It's. okay to say hell no. It's okay to say, "Mhm, I'm not feeling that right now. Maybe come back to me next week.". But I think because I've been such a. people pleaser all of my life, when I. did start vocalizing and standing up for. myself, people were like, "Whoa, who is. this?". And as a woman, you should be able to. speak your mind. without being labeled as the B-word.

>> Well, that's what I was going to ask. you. Like, how did you navigate that? Because I think that's where all of us. struggle. Where it's like, "Oh my god, she's finally standing up for herself.". And what should be celebrated is. actually a lot of people who have. been able to weaponize your people. pleasing to their ability of, "Oh my. gosh, I'm getting more out of her. I'm. doing all this." And the minute you. actually put boundaries up, to them, they're like, "She's such a [ __ ] now.". >> Yeah, it's like they'll If you think.

about it like this, they're taking rocks. and pebbles and throwing it at you. And. the second we pick it back up to throw. it back at them, it's like, "Oh! OH MY. GOD!". >> WITH YOU? And you're like, "What? You've. been doing this whole time.". >> It's a taste of your medicine, babes. >> Huh? Interesting. >> Yes. >> Did you But did you worry though? Like, as a woman, like, they're getting. labeled that, how have you navigated. being more in your power and owning it. and trying to not people please without. fear of judgment from other people.

>> I just I'm learning to care less. It won't erase anyone's reaction. But, if you care a little less, it'll get quieter and smaller, and you. won't even notice it. So, if you don't. notice it, it's invisible. You don't see. it, you don't hear it. >> It's a great point. >> Yeah. Okay, a few years ago you talked. about how hard it is to accept love from. others when you don't fully love. yourself first. Looking back, let's talk. about romantic life. How do you think. that affected past relationships that.

you've been in? >> I think to be able to properly love. someone, you have to do the proper. self-work. Or you will love them in an. unhealthy way, because you're loving. yourself in an unhealthy way. So, you're. only doing what you know. You know, I think the hard thing, too, is like dating in the public eye. Anybody I would stand next to or be next. to, oh, this is who she's dating, this. is her man, this is this. And it makes it hard, too. And then.

you'll go out to events, and the guy's. like, oh, you're with this person? It's. like, huh? I don't know him. So, then. sometimes it'll cock-block. And I'm like, I'll be gosh darn it. >> [laughter]. >> You feel like that's not my man, and I. don't claim that energy. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, sometimes that's. frustrating. But, >> what is something that you used to put. up with that you would never put up with. anymore in romantic relationships? >> Disrespect. Disrespect. Yeah. You're getting blocked.

>> Oh, we're hitting them with the full. block. >> Oh, yes. I'm great at it. >> Give me an example of disrespect. >> Mhm. Like, talking out of turn, like, if you speak to me in a condescending. manner or as if I'm less than who you. are, don't do that. And the thing is is that I can't get. punked out because I have my own. You can't punk me out, buddy. We're. sitting at the same table.

So, treat me like a human being. >> It's so crazy though when. I feel like when I was younger, the. disrespect and like making you feel less. than. Sometimes it's so subtle. that at first you don't really see it. and it can start to wear on your. self-esteem and then it takes you being. like. Wait. And it takes Sometimes it takes you. getting out of the relationship to look. back and be like, "How long had that. been happening?" That this person was. doing this to me. But then the next.

relationship you get in, your antennas. are up a little bit more cuz you're. like, "Wait a second. This is a pattern. I'm recognizing from that one in the. past that just did that to me." And I. see this and although it's familiar. and I know how to do this dance cuz. sometimes we can like keep repeating, it. does become more clear the more you go. through the steps. >> Yeah, sometimes people like to humble. you. >> Oh, yes they do, Chloe. >> In the very subtle small ways and it's. like.

is this my lover or a hater? >> [laughter]. >> It's so subtle. >> Yes. Like you can't You almost couldn't. sit here and give me an exact concrete. It would You'd be like You'd have to I'd. have to put the puzzle together for you. Cuz on this Wednesday, it was like a. little comment about this and it was. like a little comment about like my. makeup that day. And it was like a little backhanded but. it I thought it was like, "Oh." And then. a month later it was this or the next. >> to escalate and it's like,

"No. >> You're my biggest hater.". >> everything. >> You're a full op living in my house. >> Yeah, I'll peep everything. I might not. say it in the moment but I'll just I. don't forget. I'll calculate. >> [laughter]. >> On your new mixtape, Resurrection, there. is a song about catching someone. cheating. >> How. did you find out? Let me tell you. So, this has been a while ago cuz I've. been like on my own for a minute.

Through DMs, they'll DM my godmom. Even sometimes the girls the girls or. just a random fan and it'll be all the. information. I've seen a lash extension. and I didn't have them in the like on. the tile of the shower floor. or like a hair tie. >> This man was having sex with these women. in your home? >> Not my home. >> Oh, but his home. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay. >> Excuse me, you don't have the keys. >> [laughter]. >> You're like, that's why we don't live. together, babe. >> Hair tie, that's not my hair texture.

>> And in those moments, Chloe, what do you. do? Do you collect it as evidence, put. it in a little Ziploc, or are we are we. going out of it? >> on how I'm feeling. Okay. And you know. >> do when you found the eyelash? >> I kept it internal and I took a picture. of it and. I texted my godmom. And she's like my voice of reason. Cali, she'll have me crash out. >> Your godmom's like, put it in the. evidence file. >> Yes. >> Get him when he least expects it.

>> Or or just walk away. >> Do you think that was the. [clears throat] same girl? >> I have no idea. But I do know I peeped it and I kept it. quiet till the next morning. >> And then what did you do? >> I walked in the bathroom like it was. brand new. Like I just saw it. Cuz I still wanted my night of cuddles. I'm that I'm that toxic. >> There is nothing better than seeing the. text or seeing the evidence and you're. like, uh-huh. And then using it to your. advantage when you want to bring it up.

cuz now it's on your timeline, Chloe. So, it's all it's up to you. What. Okay, the fact though hold on. You cuddled this man and in those. moments though. >> This was me looking up at the ceiling in. the dark. He's like dead asleep and you're like. this is me. >> [laughter]. >> You're like I thought I want the cuddles. but now all I can think about is the. [ __ ] hair tie and those lash. extensions. Like you have to bodily get. to a place where you can hold that in. and then the next morning you're. confronted.

>> Yeah. Did he lie? >> Of course. >> Okay. Deny, deny, deny, deny. >> I do remember at first you did write. music in the past about wanting to get. revenge by cheating back. >> Oh yeah. >> Do you ever do that? >> It depends on what your definition of. cheating is. >> [laughter]. >> Chloe. >> Well, give me give me your definition. >> [laughter]. >> Stop it. Kicking me in the face. >> is like I'll just start responding to. people I never responded to. >> No, the literal rage. >> once I'm out of it, I just won't text.

them back. That's my definition. I'll be. like yeah, take that. >> Chloe, [laughter]. that is so relatable where you're like. watch this and then literally wake up. the next morning like I don't even why. did I even answer him? Like ew. >> Yeah. Believe [laughter] me. >> Okay, so you just need to get the rage. out. I want to ask you some questions about. dating deal breakers. I'm going to give. you a scenario. So tell me you're giving. this person a shot or you're breaking it. off. Okay. Your sister doesn't vibe with. him. >> I'll give him a shot.

Well, wait. Older or younger sister? >> Both. We don't have a say. Even with my. brothers, we don't like of course we'll. say a little something but we don't. dictate. Like we just want them to be. happy. We'll just peep from afar. >> Does Halley in the past have a big. opinion on the guys you date? >> Of course. >> Okay. >> My sister will vocalize it louder than I. would. She'll tell me and I'll be like. oh, why do you think that? I'll tell her. and she'll be like girl, don't talk. about my man like that. >> And do you feel like when she says. things you probably go the opposite.

direction of her when she's like I don't. like this and you're. >> No, I'll just continue on the path I was. going on. >> Collected as evidence. >> Yeah. >> Okay, perfect. >> He says, "I love you." a month in. I My first instinct is to say not, but I. am a sucker for love. And a guy has said. that to me a month in and I fell for it. >> No, Chloe, you got so happy for a. second. I was like, he loves you and. you're like. Okay, wait. Oh, okay. >> I have been like, "Oh my gosh, it's love. at first sight. You just have this.

strong emotion towards me. Of course, it's real.". >> [laughter]. >> But that's also love bombing. >> That is Love bomb and then you're like, "Snap out of it.". >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> But you're like, "But it is not Oh my. god." Okay, so we're like we're working. on that. >> Mhm. >> He says he'd rather stay in with you. than go out in public. >> Uh shot. Because I'm not going out with. him in public. >> Love that for you. He doesn't introduce. you to his family until a year into. dating. >> Not. >> Okay. >> I'm a family girl. I want to be around.

your family. I don't want to feel like. I'm hidden from your family. >> Like the public is different. >> But your family, then you might have. one, two, or three around them. >> It's a good point. >> Mhm. >> Yeah, it's like a year is a little long. Like what are we doing? >> Like if I don't meet any of your family. within the 3 months. >> What are we doing? >> Yeah. >> He has cheated in past relationships, but says he has changed. Shot. >> I feel people will change for the right. person. >> I don't agree with the whole like once a. cheater, always a cheater. >> agree with that either. But. >> if it's been multiple relationships.

you got to keep an eye out. >> Sometimes or they just might have not. been the right one. So it depends. >> Okay. He won't share his location. >> Oh, shot. I'm not sharing my location. You're not going through my phone. I'm. not going through yours. This is the. thing about me. I set boundaries for. myself. If you give me your location, I will be. looking every moment I can get. And I. will be freaking myself out if I see you. down the CVS up the street. And I'm. like, "Oh, he's with such and such at.

CVS." Just don't give it to me. >> You're like, just help me help you. >> Yeah, don't give it to me. I'm not. giving you mine. >> Oh, I like that. So, work. >> I don't want you popping up on me at my. place of work trying to be romantic. >> Got it. Oh, I like that. We've obviously. been referencing the mixtape. resurrection, producer Timbaland. Woo! First of all, congratulations. >> Thank you. >> Um, we've been talking about success and. what success looks like, but that is. just like. >> It's pretty freaking cool. >> Insane. What was the inspiration behind.

this mixtape? >> So, it's crazy. It always starts with me. posting my production videos online. Have mercy, this. I've always been such a huge fan of. Timbaland, and even on my album in. pieces, I got a Missy Elliott feature, and I've never been shy of crediting. them to my experimenting with my. production. It was around a quiet time. I was just making music, and the. momentum's kind of died, went away. And I was just doing Legos, making beats. at home.

I got a mom again. She goes, "All I see are pictures, pictures, pictures. Why don't you show what I see. you doing online?" She's like, "What. happened to your production videos?" I'm. like, "You know what? You're right. Fine." So, I start posting my production. videos again. I post one. You know, I'm. like, "Ooh, let me just write a couple. lyrics to it. You know, I'm making music. anyways, I'll just do this for. Instagram." I made this rough song. called Keep Watching. I posted it, got. like 12K comments, went around, Timbaland comments, "Oh, this is hard.". Something like that. He DMs me, "Oh, are. you doing something with this? I'd love.

to hop on it." I was like, "I'm not. It. was just for Instagram. But, if you want. to do something else." I was like, "Let's do a beat video together.". So, I sent him a beat. He gave me his. number. I just texted him the beat. He. sent me his back a month later. We. filmed the video. People were like tripping out. He. FaceTimes me while I'm in St. Lucia. making music. "Yo, so I have this idea. How about we. do a project together? Would you be down. for that?" And we could make it just. like this. I was like, "Yeah, you keep. sending me whatever." I make music. almost every day. So, he'd send me the.

beats, I'd write to them, he'd send me. the beats, I send it back to him. And we made this full project even like. probably 10 more songs. along with this in 2 months. All not in person. >> Oh, so you guys have just been vibing. like sending it back and forth and just. coming up with this like incredible. piece of art. >> Uh-huh. >> Congratulations. That's really. incredible. >> Thank you. And the crazy thing is the. guy who mixed my very first solo album, Chris, I didn't know he mixed all of uh.

Timbaland's records. So, he was like, "I. have this guy such and such." And I was. like, "He was my mixer for my first. album." So, it kind of like brought all. of us back together and he's currently. mixing my third album right now. So, but. everything just sonically sounds as one. because one is the same mixer, two, it. just was free-flowing. We didn't think. anything was really going to come of it. He He called her Manny and he's like, "Yo, you think we could get this done?". blah blah blah. She's like, "Yeah." She. put it together and here it is.

>> Okay, so you're just making music every. single day casually. You're also acting. >> Mhm. >> Like you have your new movie that's out. called Strong. Um what can you tell us. about this movie? >> I shot this movie in Cape Town in South. Africa for 3 months. And. I'm really proud of this movie. Like I'm. the one who likes sitting at the edge of. my seat. I love the mess. It's a little. bit of all of that. Plus music.

>> I was going to say there is a lot of um. deceit and lying in this movie that I. feel like that's why I was like asking. you a little about deceit and lying. because it's like there's a little bit. of overlap. What drew you to the role? >> I loved the role of Layla. It was also. the mess. I'm not even going to lie. I. was gagged. >> It the twists and the turns. >> You don't expect it. We were talking. about it. We were like, "So, then you. think you know what's happening and then. you don't and then and then and then and. then and then.". >> What was the most fun part of filming in.

Cape Town? >> The stunts. I'm an adrenaline junkie. girl. I've always wanted to be like a. superhero or just a bad, you know, like. cuz I love doing the stunts. I'm an. adrenaline junkie for real. I think that was my favorite part. >> I. think it's so incredible when I get to. sit down with women and it's like you. started in this industry doing what you. loved and just doing it like I'm going. to, you know, throw our videos up and, you know, your sister was like, "We're.

I'll I'll press record. Hope this works. for you guys." And then to see literally. you like slowly just continue to. establish yourself and yes, you've had. so many high highs, but I think what's. really impressive about you is like kind. of what we talked about today, which I. think is really relatable. It's like. finding your balance though in the midst. of the high highs or the low lows is how. you can sustain in an industry like. this, which clearly you are finding your. way and you're doing. And so to be an.

actress, to be a singer, um to have a. very famous public relationship with. your sister and also to be able to both. individually have solo careers. Like. you're navigating so much and you're. doing such an incredible job. >> Thank you. >> And. >> You as well though. Like I'm so proud of. everything that you stand for and the. platform that you give women to speak. on. And what kind of makes me feel less. of like. Mm. Like, "Oh, is my life in the.

public?" Whatever. Everyone's going. through [ __ ]. Everyone. has problems and sometimes. I'll hear them and be like, "And I was. upset about this.". So, I think it makes me feel better. knowing that when I'm walking into a. room, I'm not the only one going through. something. And it makes me appreciate. people more, too. >> Such a good point. >> And if they do hurt you, you can kind of understand where it came. from.

And realize that it wasn't you, it was. something they were dealing with. internally. Because a lot of times our. first thought is, "It's me. I'm a. burden. I made them react this way. I'm. not good enough.". And. Okay, my therapist told me this and I. share it a lot with all my people I'm. close with. It's the stepping on your. toe analogy. Have you heard that? >> No. >> Okay. If you're walking and you step on. someone's toe, you don't go, "Oh my. gosh, I'm horrible. I stepped on someone's toe. I'm a piece. of.

>> Right. >> You know. You don't go, "Get out my way. You were. in my way. That's why I stepped on your. toe." No, you go, "Hey, you know what? I'm really sorry I stepped on your toe. I can't promise it won't happen again. because accidents happen, but I'm really. sorry. That wasn't my intention." And. you keep it pushing. >> Right. >> That's how I've been approaching life. now. Because I used to be the person to. be like, "Oh my gosh, I'm horrible. Nobody likes me. This The world is. ending." So now I take life at the. stepping on the toe analogy. And.

sometimes it's hard, don't get me wrong. Like I'm mentally there, but my emotions. won't catch up. >> Yeah, but I love it cuz what you're also. saying and what it goes all the way back. to the beginning of our conversation was. like in you turning 28. >> Mhm. >> and in as women us just continuing to. it's not even about getting older. It's. like learning more about ourselves, experiencing more life, getting to know. what we like, what we don't like, learning our voice and how to use it.

Like we just said, like we talked about. going from being a people pleaser to. like actually being like, "Wait, I can. say no." And even if that makes people. uncomfortable, those people probably. shouldn't be in my life. Like there's so. much that we continue to gain as we just. continue to go through these experiences. even if they're hard. And I think your. life and your story and I just wanted to. say thank you for sharing today because. so many themes that we kind of tapped. into I think are so applicable for. a woman watching today. And just.

everything that you've done, like, I. can't wait to continue to follow your. career. >> Thank you. >> I'm so happy for you. We're all going to. keep following. And with the movie and. the mixtape and then the album and like. obviously we don't know if, you know, you and Halle will be doing another. thing together at some point, but. there's so much good coming for you and. I wish I receive that. I wish you the. best 28th year. >> Thank you. >> You are really going to eat. 28, 28.

Thank [laughter] you for coming on Color. Daddy. >> Thank you for having me. >> [music]. [music].