Chappell Roan: Are People Scared Of Me? (Full Episode)

What is up, Daddy gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. Chappell Roan, welcome to Call Her. Daddy. Thank you. I am so happy to be meeting you. I'm. such a fan, so this is like a very cool. moment. How are you doing tonight? I'm good. I have to tell you, everyone always. wants to do like early interviews. I'm. not a morning person, so this is like. one of the later interviews I've done.

Are you a night person? I like both. I have insomnia. Oh. So really it's like I'm an all day, all. night person till I take my pills. Okay, great. So you're just up. I'm up. You're with me right now. I am. Good to know. Okay, good to know. Talk. to me about what you are wearing. This. is everything. How did you pick this? Um well, I'm styled by Dennis as well, but um I'm wearing Thom Browne, and some. of this is archival, um. which is amazing, but it's like a little. white and red.

striped. outfit vibe. All of it's Thom Browne. It's just the best. He's the best. It literally looks like you are the host. of this show, You look like you are running this room. right now, and I'm the outsider. You. look perfect. god, thank you. Okay, you're obviously known for your. incredible, amazing outfits. What has. been your favorite outfit to date that. you've worn during a performance? I wore one for Bonnaroo that was club.

kid themed, and it was latex medical. latex sexy. kinky girl, and it is kind of like. disturbing in a way, but I felt so. awesome. I love that. to say now I need to go Google that. Yeah, it's I look scary, but like I love. looking like kind of crazy and scary, um. but I love that. I mean the Lollapalooza. one was so [ __ ] awesome cuz I got to. wear tennis shoes. Gov ball when you literally like wear. all green.

Okay, I don't want people know this. I. had to spread my cheeks. You're lying to me right now. spread my cheeks and get sprayed with. green. And like it didn't come off. The. way I got that off was I took three. baths, not soap, dish soap. I literally poured dish soap in. and scrubbed rubbed my whole body with. coconut oil, jumped in, scrubbed with. a literal like kitchen sponge. And every. all of it came off except there was a.

green tint to my skin. So I literally. looked moldy for 4 days. How like humbling when all of your fans. are like queen slay you look gorgeous. and then you're home literally scrubbing. your [ __ ] and you're like this. This is my life. I was like scrubbing. my like bikini lines and like. my pubes were pulling out um. at all. I don't have I'm not I'm not. even like lasered or anything. It's so glamorous.

Yeah, I [ __ ] love it. Okay, how do. you usually though dress on a chill day? Like are you always going hard glam? Are. you always having an outfit? Sometimes I love having an outfit but. usually not with glam like this. Like. I'm not wearing a lash. or you know, anything like that or nails. really. But um. I'm not in a lot of color. That's the thing. Like I'm. in a lot of blacks and a lot of like. taupes and whites and creams. Like. nothing.

Yeah. Are you ever doing sweatpants? Yeah. Ooh. Sometimes. But I'm in like I wear a lot. of skirts. I'm very modest when it comes. to my day-to-day. And I think it's just because. one. I feel like I'm in LA and I can dress. like more. masculine and not get like dirty looks. And so. but I feel like in other parts of the. country it's like. I just I just dress more feminine so I. don't like I don't want to deal with it.

You know what I mean? it so annoying when you're like, I don't. even want to deal with these comments or. these looks so I'm going to just like. blend in for you all. I don't want to. but I don't have the time of day. So. [ __ ] off. I used to dress [ __ ] crazy though. before like all of this happened and I. had energy and like light in my eyes. I. would literally just wear my thong out, mini skirt, bottom ass cheeks out, nipples see-through in this [ __ ].

trash I I dress like. really really bimbo-y. And like I had I wore like. silicone like breast like boob inserts. to make my boobs come up to my [ __ ]. like up to my clavicle or whatever. Um. and so. I just like lost my shine. Why? Um cuz it became a job and then I was. like I'm [ __ ] tired and glam takes I. mean at that time.

I wasn't like. I was just in my room. high as [ __ ]. doing my makeup on TikTok live for 3. hours every night and then I would go. out in in like this like insane drag. makeup and like. all these thrifted like 70s disco always. in [ __ ] heels just a maximalist and. that was so amazing. And then it just got to be. like there was no separation. Like I.

would be out as Kaylee in that and then. I would be on stage as that and then. there was like no separation. It just. got. I would look at myself in the mirror and. be like what's the difference between. Chapel and like. I understand that now cuz I've. interviewed like enough people to have. that conversation in a healthy way, I. think, is you have to find a way to. actually know who you are when the. lights and the cameras and everything go. off, like who you are. And if you look. the same exact and you act the same.

exact as you do on stage, then there is. no separation and there's nothing that. you can keep private for yourself and. protect. So, that makes sense is you've. tried to kind of like give yourself. basically your private life. Yeah. Yeah. Um okay, you refer to yourself as a. Midwest princess. What is the most. Midwestern thing about you? Um I. say ope. so much. Ope. Ope, I'm sorry. Ope. Ope, o p e.

Um say that a lot. Is that a Midwestern thing? so. Ope. I'm not from the Midwest. Ope, I'm. sorry. I'm sorry. You know, that. Um I still am. like. I looked at the gas prices here and I'm. like, "Golly.". Over $4, that's crazy. And I'm like, "Bitch, the [ __ ] [ __ ]. you've been here for almost 10 years.". Like, what are you talking about? It's. never been under $4. Um I am one of the [ __ ] that are like. "Oh, we got here at the right time. We. got at this restaurant right at the. right time. Look at the line.".

I don't even care. Like I as if I've. ever given a [ __ ] But I still say it. I'm like, "Stop." Um. I get called out for saying ruff instead. of roof. But I was like. cement is. how most people say it, but I was raised. cement. Like semen, but seem ment. Yeah, cement. Ooh. And I say insurance like different. There's So, there's like those things,

but also it's like. I don't know. I wish it was more. acceptable to like be barefoot. I wish. that like like. I don't know. I guess that's like more. country, but I'll eat food off the. ground and like I. character. I like. My car is so [ __ ] up. What kind of car do you drive? Well, I a beater. I bought I. It's not a beater. That's actually. really dramatic. It's my mom's old car. Um but. it's just like I'm not going to fix it.

Like I'm just not going to fix it. Wait, you drive your mom's old car. never bought my own car. Why not? I'm like kind of embarrassed of cars. like in general. Like if someone has a. really nice car, I'm like. uh it's too much. It's too much. I don't And also I know I'm going to. [ __ ] it up. But when you were in your maximalist. era, would you have gotten yourself a. nice car or still that was like the one. thing you wouldn't do? That's I couldn't afford it. Yeah, yeah. It's like I couldn't I've never been a. [ __ ] to like with a car, you know? I.

just don't think it means anything. But. to me I guess it does because I'm always. like. eh ick. I I get what you mean. It's like. Like I just don't If I see a Cybertruck, I'm like. No, that [ __ ] is so [ __ ] ugly. I. can't. When I drive up next to it, I'm. like what in the. brick ass [ __ ] is that? Yeah, detint it. Detint it. I want to. see who's in there. Who's driving that? It's so fast. You know who the only person I know.

who had it. Who? who who signed up for it. I'm not even. kidding cuz you could sign up for it in. like 2019, 2020. My ex-boyfriend. He's the only person. I've ever known. And you know what? He. has hentai tattoos. White white white boy. hentai tattoos. um. of. just girls tied up. He has um I actually. probably shouldn't say everything. Actually he probably But that's like the. vibe I'm like okay.

His vibe. You're painting the picture. for me. I'm just like. I I know anyone who I'd hang out with. that has a Cybertruck. I don't either. So, we're in good. company tonight. Can you imagine if we. like had. do you drive? Do you drive a Tesla? Okay, I don't drive a Tesla. You're. going to hate me. Can I guess? Take a guess. What if I said a Cybertruck? I'd be like, "What are you doing?". Walk out of this interview and be like, "Fuck you." No, I do not drive a. Cybertruck. I'm going to guess.

a. G-Wagon. No. I drive a Porsche. Okay, that's classy. The only reason I drive a Porsche is. because I never could afford a car my. whole life and I had to drive my. grandmother's car to school and I was. that [ __ ] that couldn't just own it and. I would like park four blocks away and I. was so mortified cuz I went to this like. preppy ass school that I couldn't afford. and all the kids were driving [ __ ]. nice ass cars, but obviously their. parents were paying for it. So, like. kind of embarrassing. And I would park. away and the door wouldn't open, so I.

had to get out on the other side and. climb through the window. It was a whole. thing. That's awesome. It built character. Yeah. And then when I got to high. school, I remember this one girl that I. was like thought she was so cool and she. drove a Porsche and it was like the. Cayenne or whatever. And so, I've only. had one car in my life and it's that and. then yeah. Okay, cool, right? When I was a nanny, um. the family had the nanny car was a. Porsche Cayenne. So, I've actually. driven them before. It's a nice car, but for it to be the. nanny car, go [ __ ] yourself. That's the vibe That's the vibes of. that.

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Manhattan, and I keep being like, "Sir, you know what? We're actually we're out. of those ingredients." Or I'm like, I. just like that's not like your vibe. tonight. Like I don't really think you. want to drink that. And he's like, "Okay, what do I want?" I literally got. him a cup of ice, and I just poured. tequila in it, and I was like, "Here, drink what I drink." That was just my. lazy way of saying like, "I don't know. how to make any of that, sir, but smile. and everything's going to be okay." I. mean, he gave me a fat tip. Work. smarter, not harder. But today, I don't.

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Wait. So sexy. We're going to do a. little douse, a little bit of a huh, and. now kiwi. Yeah, I got fresh kiwi for. this. Oh, wait, you guys, you know how. bartenders do that where it's like a. little. Wait, does that look cute? Was this. unnecessary? Yes. With tequila, you're. going to need a little bit of that. pineapple. Oh my god. I mean, gorge. That looks so good. Maybe we'll put it in there. Is that. weird to put it in there? I'm going to. put a globber. I'm going to put a piece of pineapple in.

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kind of was born to be a bartender. Let's not lie. Cheers. Thanks Patron. Love you. The perfect way to enjoy Patron is. responsibly. Copyright 2025. Imported by. the Patron Spirits Company, Coral. Gables, Florida. Tequila 40% ABV. Okay, are you still close with your. friends from back home? Yeah, I am. They're really awesome. We. have such different lives. They are. um a lot of them are married with. children. And like they have their own. houses and like.

and to me I'm I'm like. I don't know when that's going to happen. for me. Like I don't know when that is. realistic if ever. So. Do you want that? Like get married and. Yeah. Um I don't know. I like part of me is. like is it even going to be legal to. marry. like my wife one day, you know? I don't. know. So but kids I. All of my friends who have kids are in. hell. I don't know anyone. I actually don't. know anyone who's like happy and has.

children at this age. I have like. like uh. 1-year-old, like 3-year-old, four and. under, five and under. I don't I. literally have not met anyone who's. happy. Anyone who has like light in their eyes, anyone who has who has slept. This is all looking too good. I'm like why did my parents do that? My. I'm the oldest of four. My had me at 23. Wait, when you're saying that about your. friends though, like do they think this. is all wild that like how famous you are. and like all of it when they see.

articles about you? Are they like. calling you up and be like, Kaylee, what. the [ __ ] Or are they just like, this is. your life, [ __ ] Like text us when you. want to come over. they Yeah, like they they're just like. they're mothers. Like they're [ __ ]. busy and they have jobs and lives. Like. I am. I am just their friend. You know what I. mean? Like I they are so sweet and so. supportive and come out to shows and. like they have to get [ __ ]. babysitters to come to my shows and like. I don't ever expect like when I go home, I love reminiscing about like.

destroying public property with them and. like doing some illegal [ __ ] and like. literally hating the same [ __ ] for 15. years. Like we just can't get over. stuff. We can't get I will never get. over. It's nice though. It's like therapeutic. when you have those girls from like when. you're younger cuz it's like that is the. [ __ ] that it genuinely is therapeutic to. just be like, and that little [ __ ]. [ __ ] from And you're like, I don't even. know where she is these days but like.

[ __ ] you. They're probably a better person now. That's the thing. I still hate those. [ __ ] from high school. There was one. girl. who said. I like. whatever, beat her in the [ __ ] talent. show, like whatever, who cares. Like I. won and she was like, you did so good. Like I can't wait till your voice. fully matures. Like I can't wait to. actually hear it whenever you get like. some lessons and some maturity in your.

voice. And I was like. we're the same age. And too like. I will show you. And I think I did. But also I'm trying to think there's so. many things. Oh, here's one. Like, hot to go was. There was a line in hot to go. I will never forget this. I was standing in line. at lunch. And. there were two girls in front of me,

like a few people up in front of me, and. they couldn't they didn't know I was. standing back there, but they were. like talking. about me, and they were like, "Oh, do. you know who's dating. we'll say. uh what's the. what's the name of Western Mr. John. Okay, Carolyn. Johnny Carolyn, let's say that's the. boy's name. Okay. Johnny Carolyn, do you. know who's dating Johnny Carolyn?

They're like, "Oh, no, no, no, who?". "Oh, it's Kaylee Amstutz." "Oh, who is. she?" "Oh, you know, she's like. she's not hot, but she's pretty. She's. like She's like pretty, but she's not. like hot." And so, when I wrote hot to. go, that's why I'm like. call me hot, not pretty. Cuz like that. was so ingrained in my heart of like. I want to be the hot girl. I want to be the hot girl. I don't want. to be called pretty. La la la la. You. know? But I wasn't I wasn't hot in high.

school. Like. Dude, I whoever the [ __ ] was peaked, okay? That's kind of true. Right? Whoever was so banging hot, they're not they're not doing too well. That's so true. And all the hot guys at. my school. I you know, I don't know. I. don't really know any hot guys at my. school. I don't think I grew up with hot. guys. There was no one that I was really. attracted to. But that's the [ __ ] though, Chappell. That's like. how crazy the [ __ ] that sticks with you.

Like girls can be so [ __ ] cutting. when you're that young. Boys, too, but. girls, it's like you almost like care. more in moments where you're like, "I'm. pretty." And anyone if like you don't. get it, it's like that is like the big. they're trying to insult you. This isn't. like a nice but you're like and then you. wrote that obviously banger ass song and. now you're making [ __ ] money off of. it. So. It's true. It is like the bad things. that happened to me. I can. monetize. That is what's awesome about being a a.

songwriter. Like. I had went my breakup when I wrote like. my kinkiest karma vibes. Mhm. was the worst thing that's ever. happened. Like genuinely. I don't think it could have been worse. But. I got to like fuel an entire video and a. song and a look, a character just based. off of. horrible week of my life. And when you do that though, when you. publish it, do you feel.

like finally like you've expunged your. soul of all of that negativity or does. it still slightly hang on when you have. to perform those songs? When I when when I do the festivals. Mhm. and I look in the camera. and I say I dedicate this, whatever, la. la la. I am actually thinking about them or. whoever I'm dedicating it, but I do. think about it and I'm like at. Lollapalooza, I was like. [ __ ] you so hard.

for talking about you dating me. Like. how could you talk about. Why are you bragging that you dated me? You broke up with me. Two. That's the craziest part. But it's so telling, it's so. embarrassing. It's like you want clout. How lame is your life? You want clout. You have to sleep so well at night. knowing that though of like ooh, and I.

still get to monetize off this. Loser. Loser. Bye. How do you decide when you have people. call you Chapel versus Kaylee? When I'm at work, Chapel. But like. None of my friends like call me Chapel. Okay. It's like. Who was your pop icon growing up? Hannah Montana. [ __ ]. And Britney. You can't say Hannah Montana to me and. me not. Hannah Montana. need a minute. I remember when the first episode came. out.

The wig in the first episode to then. when they changed it. So good. It's. still like I look back on that and I'm. like they really didn't know if that. [ __ ] was going to pop off and then it. was like the biggest [ __ ] thing ever. But that first wig is so telling. They're like let's just [ __ ] see if. this [ __ ] works and then boom. Did you go to the concert? I went to the um one where it was Miley. and Hannah. So she starts as Hannah and. then she transitions to Miley. Is that the Jonas Brothers opened? I remember.

I remember that was the point when the. Jonas Brothers weren't that big of a. deal and I was so annoyed that they were. on stage and my dad was like one day. you're going to have a crush on one of. these boys and I was like I reject that. I'm disturbed by these men and then I. obviously like fell in love with them. like a couple of years later. Nick or Joe? Or sorry, Kevin. Oh. I'm sorry. Nick, Joe or Kevin? I would say at first Nick. I did the. whole thing, cried, diabetes, obviously. Okay.

Did you cry, too? No. I always hated the Jonas Brothers. But here's the thing, Joe's so [ __ ]. nice to me. Now I've grown up to love. them. Like I when I was young, I was. like you. I was like I don't care about. the boys. I just want Hannah. Hannah. And when they came out, I was like. oh my [ __ ] god. Like I was in I was. nine and I literally said when they came. out, I was like oh my [ __ ] god, I. don't care. I believed in God at that time and I was.

saying that [ __ ] in my head. I couldn't. get on board and then yes, Hannah at. that point like do you remember like. East Northumberland High, Good and. Broken, You and Me Together [ __ ] I. made music videos to that [ __ ] I was. religious. And all of this to say like I. love the Jo's like when I was nine. I was I think it was just the the. lesbian in me that just had no interest. in. seeing them as an idol as a child. But. now I'm like work.

Yes. Okay, I'm going to ask you give me. the first song that comes to mind when I. tell you this. Ready? Favorite song to belt out in the shower. This is the power and I break free cuz I. don't want to take my. Go-to song when you need a good cry. I loved it was a fever. It's called Stay.

hot-headed believer. Stay by Rihanna. which I um auditioned to with the Yeah, I auditioned with it for The Voice. I didn't make it on the show, obviously. Thank God. Thank God I didn't I didn't make it. Maybe it is so much better cuz imagine. if you were like not that it's bad to. come from The Voice, but the story is. better without The Voice, right? Your. come up is a just a little bit better.

Yeah. Okay, that's. the song the song that belongs on every. workout playlist. Uh. my favorite song of all time. When you see me in the club, you better think about or you better. Oh. You better think about us. Yeah. Yeah, you better make that [ __ ]. work. It's the It's a will I'm going to scream. and shout with Britney Spears. Um your crowd-pleaser karaoke song. I [ __ ] hate karaoke.

Moving on. I cuz I don't want to try. Yeah. I don't I don't like feeling like I have. to try to sing well if I'm not doing it. for work cuz then it feels like a like. look at me. I love karaoke's for people. who never get to sing. Yeah. And then we sing your songs. And I'm like. like I hate singing it. But I did I. don't know. One time I pretended I put in. like. I was at a seafood boil in the middle of.

Apalachicola, Florida. Um we were on off day on. on tour and we went to this seafood. place and there was just a dad playing. guitar and it was like, "Does anybody. out there want to sing a. Does anybody want to sing a a a duet. with me?". And my whole touring crew was like, "Yes, yes, go, go, go." And I was like, "Whoa, please stop, please stop, please stop.". And then I was like, "Fine, I will.".

And. he was like, "Come on up. What's your. name?" And I think I was like. "Madeleine." And he's like, "Madeleine, what do you want to sing? Here are my. lists." And I looked down. and I see Shallow. And I was like. "Shallow?" And he was like. "Really? You want to do Shallow?" And I. was like "Mhm.". And like really? I did it and I went, "I'm on the deep end." Like up there.

All It was all old people and families. It was literally like old people and. then like moms with four kids who were. like tired. And like people's like. turned around. cuz I was ripping it. And. afterwards like I just sat down. Literally old people just started. standing up and they were like, "You. have to try out for American Idol. You. have to try out.". And I was like, "Oh my god, stop. I'm. not that good.".

And then I went to Orlando and opened. for Olivia Rodrigo. the next day. Dude, that [ __ ] man just being like, "You really want to do this with me?". honey?". You're like, "No, but let's [ __ ] do. it.". know. I'm up here.". Right. Hurry up before you [ __ ]. leave, dick. That's hilarious though. Like, do you ever get moments like that. of anonymity where you get to like feel. like people actually don't know who you. are anymore? Do you ever like dress up, disguise? I think people are scared of me.

Really? I think I made a big enough deal about. not talking to me that people do not. talk to me. That's I think the truth of it all. And. I've been I've been with people like. friends who are like artists and they're. like. when they're with me, they're like, "It's a force field around us. People. don't come up to me if I'm with you.". And I think I'm just like. "Damn, say baby, you say it too. You say. don't touch me. Don't touch me. Don't. look at me. Don't Don't talk to me. I. don't know who you are.". And they won't come up to bother you.

What a concept. That is [ __ ] hilarious though that. other celebrities are like, "Bitch, look. at what you did.". I've I've not not just by one person, but like three. Three or four. Do you love it that you said it? It hurts that I have to. Yeah. It hurts I I know it really hurts people. cuz they take it really um. they feel like it's. me.

disrespecting them, that I owe it to. them, and that how dare I call it abuse, and it's like or complaining about. success. I get that a lot. But I'm not complaining about success. I'm just complaining about creepy. behavior. I love I love like admiration. Everyone. loves admiration. Like I just don't want. you to like interrupt me at like. when I'm having a fight with a girl my. girlfriend. Like don't [ __ ] be like. "Can I get a photo?" when I'm crying. crying talking to my girlfriend. That's.

[ __ ] crazy. You're like, "I'm actually in the middle. of um breaking up with someone or. getting cheated on right now. Spare me.". Take a picture all the way across there. of the back of my head and post it. You know, and it's like I can't Of. course of course it's going to take a. second to. for people to like really look at. themselves. And like I have to have. grace for that. Like I didn't How would. I know any better if I already see. Hannah Montana? I would have to tell her.

that I I love her music so much and that. like she means a lot to me. But in. reality it's like. No, I don't. Right? Because that's not. Hannah right there. That's not Hannah. That's. Destiny. Cyrus. Cyrus. Anyway, sorry. I [ __ ] love you. Okay, you wrote your. song at Pink Pony Club about the Abbey. here in Los Angeles. True or not true? Yes, true. Why are you looking away from me?

Have you had your phone stolen there? Have I had my phone. stolen at the Abbey? I've never gone to the Abbey because. apparently well. Cuz you get your phone Yeah, you get a. your phone stolen. Wait, what? It's crazy. I have had three friends. whose phone got stolen. Wait, okay. So tell me about like this. the night or the story is that the. story? Like what is it but tell me about. it. I've never gone to the Abbey because. everyone's like it's not even good. anymore. It used to be good. Now it's. not good anymore. Okay, well obviously when I went the. night was [ __ ] awesome cuz I was like.

It's like it was amazing. and I just couldn't stop dancing and I. was obsessed with the go-go dancers. And the music was so loud and everyone. was so hot and making out, and I had. never seen anything like it. And. I. wanted to be a an like a go-go dancer, exotic dancer after that. And so, I was like looking into it, and. I just was like I felt.

like really embarrassed if someone from. like a record label were to see me. dancing, I would just feel really. embarrassed because I don't know like. I just want to release subconscious. And so, instead, I wrote a song about me. being the dancer. So, that's what Pink. Pony is about. It's like me being the. dancer. at the Abbey, and like. I'm scared to go to the Abbey. now because I my phone is going to get. [ __ ] stolen. And your phone can not get stolen.

I mean, would you care? No. No. Yes, you would. No. I don't care. Real There's nothing on your [ __ ]. phone. They can't get into it. It's like. You're the one that has like the. 17-number password, not the four. Okay, yeah. How do you feel about a. dance floor makeout? I look the other way. Okay, before you were famous, would you. be down or no? I get really uncomfortable, but I am the. [ __ ] that makes out on dance floors. I just like I'm like a hypocrite when it.

comes to PDA. I'm like, "What the fuck?". And then I will be like be drunk making. out. I've done it with so many different. people. It's fun, though. It's so fun. If I'm [ __ ] up, like I. don't care. But if. I don't really drink anymore, so when I. see people making out, like I just. laugh. I can't stop laughing. The only way I feel like for a dance. floor makeout is. to be drunk or on drugs. In WeHo, it's like it it's like at. brunch, you know? It's not even like And it's.

not even a dance floor. You've gone so many different places. What has been your most like chaotic. night out on tour or even just like on. the road. I um. Probably the night. Tell me, please. One night. One night I thought my bus driver the. tour bus driver. um was going to leave without us. Was. going to just drive away.

And. I called like my tour manager and I was. like, "Hey, something's going on. Like. the bus driver's like being kind of. weird and like I think he's really mad. He's like just stomping around and like. I thought he was leaving. I Like it. looked like he was driving away, but. then he backed up. I think he's really. pissed off at us and I think we should. get on the bus.". She thought I was kidding and so she was. like, "Oh, yeah, he's going crazy. I. heard he I heard he hit someone and then. that, you know, we don't worry about it.

Like the cops are on the way." And I was. like, "Holy fuck." And then I got up I got on. the bus. Bus driver was nowhere to be. found and I was like, "Everybody on the. bus. Get your cat Get your passports and. let's get off. Come on.". It's literally like the sound team. Like. I'm about to start crying. Everyone's drunk. Like it's so bad. It's like after a. show. It's the night before we go to. Coachella and I'm like, "The cops are.

coming. Everyone get it Get out. Get. out. The cops are coming. Get your. passports. Get something that's. important to you and get off the bus.". I didn't know my tour manager was. kidding. And so then I like I was so [ __ ] up. and I was just crying. I was like, "Something's really wrong. Like the bus. driver's being really weird and we're. not going to be able to make it to. Coachella.". And my tour manager was like, "I was kidding." And I was like, "Then what's going on?".

Like then what's even going like. But the bus driver is being weird. What. do we do? And she's like. I literally don't like no one knew what. to do and I was like. I'm just confused. We have to make it to. Coachella. We have to. And we did. poor man like walks out of being and. he's like why is everyone acting weird? No, that is what [ __ ] happened. He's. like. You're holding your cats and your. passports and you're like he's going to. attack us. No, that's literally what happened. He's. like I'm not going to attack and. nothing's wrong guys.

And you're like oh, okay. I was just so drunk. I was like he's on. a rampage. Everyone get off the bus. We're like sorry, sir. We love you. Drive. Dude, alcohol can do some weird [ __ ]. [ __ ] dude. drink anymore. I shouldn't. I The only time I drink actually the. only time I drink is my birthday and I I. had my birthday. We How did you celebrate? I went to Jumbo's Clown Room. How was that? No. Oh, you Tell me everything. It's a strip club, but it's not like a. It's very gay. It's like a lot of lesbian vibes.

Are you a lap dance girl? Like what are. you What's your vibe at the strip club? me a lap dance and it was fun. Usually those things are um really make. me uncomfortable, but I was drunk so I. didn't care and. Yeah, I rented the whole place out. It. was a dream birthday. It was a dream. come true. And those girls [ __ ] know. how to work a pole. They The pole does. not spin. Like it's not they do it. Like. it's real. I remember like the last thing I was at. a strip club, I remember just like.

staring at them in awe and I was like I. hope they don't think this is creepy, but like I'm genuinely just so. fascinated by how you're doing that. because like my neck hurts and my back. hurts watching you do that. You're. [ __ ] incredible. They're iconic athletes. Cheers to the girls. How has your. relationship to your sexuality evolved. over the years? Obviously I've come into being more. comfortable with saying I'm queer, with.

dating women. Um. but I don't know, something like [ __ ]. up my sexuality. This I think like my. nervous system is so. fried. that I can't even feel like flirtatious. Like it's just too intense to even like. be sexual at all. I'm just it's just too. like too sensitive, you know? Do you want to be or you're not feeling. like you're missing anything? No, I do. I want to because I think that.

like that was a part of myself that was. fun and like. I feel like that part of me exists on. stage, but off stage it's like it's this. kind of. um. I kind of reverted back to. a very shameful part of. myself and how I relate to sex just. because it's like. when there's so much of you in the world.

that is exposed. then like. being sexual with someone is so. vulnerable cuz the rest of your life is. so vulnerable that it's like it almost. is too I want to save something. Like I just don't want to be that. vulnerable with so many [ __ ] people. Do you ever though like resent. the Chappell Roan moments cuz then. you're you're like you're saying you're. feeling it on stage. You're like. enjoying yourself. You're feeling. sexual. Then you're going home as Kaylee.

and being like, I just don't want to. enjoy that. Like are you ever like [ __ ]. am I. sacrificing my real moments of being. able to find myself and embrace my. sexuality for. people and my art? I resent myself for. I resent the job. because I can no longer. Yes, sexuality has like is it's just.

different now and like but. I resent not being able to like be a. friendly neighbor cuz I can't like go. out and meet my neighbors and be like. hi, I'm Kaylee. I live here. This is. what my car looks like. This is what. time I'm home and when I'm not, you. know? So then people all of a sudden. know exactly. It's just. a recipe for a stalker situation. So I. resent that part of my. um career path. There's just so much you.

don't know that you're signing up for. You don't know that you're signing up. that you're. your whole. your body changes. It is like going. through puberty um and that's what I was. told. I didn't I didn't really know if. that was true, but the pop girls were. like it feels like a second puberty. I. do think like. I what I appreciate about you saying. that though is like I feel like it's. important to recognize that. your passion for art. the goal is for people to enjoy it.

because you love it. You want people to. You want people to connect to it. You. want people to experience it, but that. obviously comes then with the fame. aspect and then fame is the thing that I. think people get so frustrated by you. saying that, but it's like no, no, no, like you're you love your art. That's. not what you're saying you don't love. You're saying you don't love the thing. that comes with that and I think but the. beautiful thing is the art. Like what do. you think Chappell Roan would mean mean. to young Kaylee?

I don't even know if my younger self. would be able to register that is a part. of me. Like that's how removed I. I. I was so so, so like. opposite of me now. Like. It just It just wasn't awoken awaken I. mean, you know, like at.

young Kaylee. I just felt so. restricted because I was so I was. a very I was a problem child and so. angry and so like. depressed and just felt like no one. understood me and. now. that part. of me is so alive and I always did want. to like dress up and be super girly or.

be really like tomboy or. I just wanted to be free, but I didn't. ever think that it would actually. happen. And. now that it has it's like. I don't think she would believe it at. all. I don't think she would could ever. believe that like this is what I do. But doesn't that make you now. happy? Yeah, it's awesome. It's like that part. is awesome that I really. honored my inner child to the max. I.

think now what it is is like how do I. honor my. adult self to the max? It's like I don't. know because. this is all new and. No, but there's no rule but there's like. every artist. every pop girl the next move is like. a question mark. Yeah. Cuz some some girls put out the first. album, had an incredible first album,

won a bunch of [ __ ] then take 5 years. off. Some girls go right into it and then. they end up releasing something they. hate and then they release another album. that they love. Like they never stop. Some just tour for There is no. game plan of like. how do I make sure I make the right. decision? That's. so [ __ ] relatable and obviously the. things you're dealing with there are. elements that certain people will never.

understand just like we may never. understand certain parts of each other. just like people watching this are like. you guys would never understand what I'm. going through, but I do think it's. relatable to say and I don't think that. you should be criticized for. acknowledging that there is an element. to your life that is very confusing. right now and it is okay to be so. grateful and also be so [ __ ] confused. and angry in moments because that's life. and I think that when someone sitting in. this chair like Chappell Roan you're. supposed to in people's mind have the.

answers. Be grateful, smile, tell us. this is the coolest [ __ ] thing that's. ever happened cuz all of us want to be. famous, but then it's like at what point. are we going to start to realize that so. many people that do end up in the. spotlight are yelling like this is not. all that it's cracked up to be. This. [ __ ] is hard. We're not asking for you. to like feel so [ __ ] bad for us, but. a little bit of empathy goes a long way. with human beings. I think that's chill. to say and I don't think and and who. gives a [ __ ] if at one point they don't. understand it. Like I. really like that you are being honest.

about it rather than smiling and be like. I [ __ ] love my job. Alex everything's. good. Like. you're not robotic. I think it's also. people. expect me to play by different rules. because I'm gay and I should be more. politically correct about that and I. should actually be way more. knowledgeable about it and so I get. asked a lot of [ __ ] crazy questions. that a lot of my peers would not get. asked. And that's because. I'm gay and that's because like.

I have like my opinions, but that. doesn't mean I'm like completely. like I don't know everything about topic. I have opinions on. Like I don't know. everything about like. being gay. Like I don't know everything. about being a woman. I don't know. everything about [ __ ] fashion or drag. or performing. Like. I try to know everything I can and but. like when I don't answer a question. correctly or like I don't acknowledge.

one community. It's like how can I do it. all? Like you can't. How can these girls. tour, write, perform, interview, sleep, eat, and eat, and [ __ ] work out, and like. how how can they do it all and lead a. team and be a boss and pay people and.

like. and be like [ __ ]. so politically educated? It's It's. exhausting. And it's also impossible. Also, why the. [ __ ] are you looking to me for some. political answer? You think I have the. [ __ ] answer? Or you're like, "Listen to my song, [ __ ] Turn it up.". Like I'm a pop star. I wish I had the. answers. I wish the president was a pop. star. But she's not. I feel like something that you just said. that is very.

apparent and I was excited today too was. like this what you're saying we could do. 19 [ __ ] hours on because it's like. the double standard of one you being a. woman, two you being a gay woman. There's so much that comes with it and. it's like everyone in interviews like. you said like there's people asking you. questions that you're like, "I don't. [ __ ] know." And that's why I'm. excited that like I feel like it's been. I'm excited that we're going to have fun. today and we're having fun and talking. about real life topics cuz it's clear. that like you're [ __ ] funny.

You're funny. Thanks. I You're You're a good time. I want to play a little game. Okay. Okay? For real. This is kind of inspired by your song. "Casual". Okay. Love the song. I'm going to give you a. situationship scenario and you're going. to tell me if it's still casual. or not. Huh. Are you ready? Yeah. Okay. They meet your entire friend group. What? Apparently it's it's casual.

Apparently it is. Apparently it's casual if you meet your. parents. Apparently. Okay, but you don't want it to be. Wait, the parents is [ __ ] crazy, Chappell. Apparently. Apparently it's casual if you sexted for. 3 months. That's [ __ ] crazy. Wait, have you ever brought a new hookup.

around your friends and they're like, "Absolutely not. We do not [ __ ] with. this person."? Yeah, and then I've dated them for 4. more years. You're like, "Love you, besties." But. they don't like you. Uh that's how it goes. And then when you. break up. stupid. That's like that is just. actually like listen to your friends. [ __ ] listen to your friends. If your friends are telling you this guy. is like weird or this girl is weird,

like something is like off but you don't. you can't tell really and then no one's. it's like it's not bad enough for anyone. to tell you. anything. Just [ __ ] listen to them. If the vibe. is off, it's something is wrong. Stop. seeing them. I know because your friends like don't. care. Your friends usually aren't trying. to [ __ ] you. Uh-uh. Well, sometimes. Let's uh We're moving on. Okay. Casual. or not, they make solo plans with you to. celebrate their birthday.

That's a date. I mean, I guess it could. be casual. No, I think. No, that's not [ __ ] casual. crazy. That's not casual. Thank you. The birthday's crazy. What is. a safe gift to get a situationship? Just buy their dinner. Don't. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not a gift Don't make. them anything. That's for sure. Don't [ __ ] make a casual person. anything. Yeah, that's fair. I think you can get.

them like a bottle of alcohol. Yeah, a bottle of alcohol is nice. Um. probably like not a card. Maybe a card. that is. you were going to say a car. I'm like, chapo. I'm not the girl that I'm not her. Um. A safe gift? I mean. Ugh, I don't even want to think about. it. Just buy a [ __ ] meal. Just pay a. ticket Be like, "Hey, can I take you out. for a movie?" Do an experience. So, you. don't have to like No one hates a.

stuffed animal more than me. Have you been given many stuffed. animals? They're so dumb. That's so bad. That's so bad. Did you. keep them? I think I've burned all I burned a a. pile. There was something going on when. I was 17. Okay, they start calling you pet names. before you're official.

That's like flirty. Oh, pet names like boo boo? Oh. Or like what? What is a pet name that you. I don't know. What's a pet name that. you've been called? What's the cringiest. pet name that you've ever had called to. you or you called someone? Don't lie to. me. I don't know what's wrong with me. It's just going to give away who it is. I can't do it. Yeah. No, it's fine. It's fine. What do you I mean, I don't know what is. the I'm Maybe. Like obviously there's like babe and.

baby, but then there's like the weird. ones where it's like. Cuddle cuddle kins, that type thing, or. like stuff in movies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was good. Cuddle. kins, I've never heard that. Okay, what. is the most extravagant thing you've. ever bought someone? Uh probably like Venmoing my brother. $500. I love that we're playing a romantic. game and you're LIKE UH UH. YOU'RE LIKE UH MY BROTHER. I thought I thought I thought it was in. general. That's very romantic. I said the most.

romantic. That's actually so [ __ ] crazy. I said the most romantic thing you've. ever done to my. My brother. My brother, Venmo, duh, 500 bucks, [ __ ]. I mean, maybe. A most extravagant gift is like writing. music for them. I wrote an Yeah, I wrote an entire EP. for for someone. It never came out. What? Mhm. Yeah. Did they hear it?

Yeah, they loved it. Actually, they. didn't love it as much as I thought they. would, but like I worked really hard on. it and. Whatever. We chapel. Can you walk me through that moment. where you're like, "I'm going to show. you" How did you tell the person that. you had this for them and what was the. reaction? a CD. I burned it on a CD and I gave. them my old CD player and my headphones. and I said, "You should listen to this. I made it for you.". And then there's like an entire.

five-track EP. Were you in the room when they listened. or no? I don't I don't remember, but I did like. write all handwrite all the lyrics in. like. It It like honestly awesome and I think. I've never given a gift like that again. cuz I was so burned by like the. relationship. I'm like, "Fuck that. I'll. never do that again. Bye.". How long after did you break up? Like 2 and 1/2 years later or something.

like that. Yeah. It was crazy. You would never release one of those. songs? They're not good enough. Okay. Um okay, you sleep at each other's. houses multiple times a week. Apparently. I can't stop saying. apparently cuz I've been in all these. [ __ ] situations and like. I don't think so. I think that's like.

I That's I mean, I guess it's kind of. casual. No. Like three plus times is not casual. Yeah, three plus. Two times is like fine. What the [ __ ]. ever. Like like a like a Friday and like. a booty call on like a Tuesday. Fine. Do you feel like you're usually. in the position where the person you're. seeing is in the power position or you. in the I'm getting a little bit of a.

vibe here, Chapel, that maybe you're. not. Not in power? Yeah. Uh yes, because I've been um in the past. desperate for um companionship, so I. will go along with what they want. Relatable. And will give up like basically my. values and um. yeah. I would just give away my I threw. away my personality. cuz I don't want to be lonely.

And then I get mad at them for like. being like, "This is casual. Whatever.". You know? And I'm like, "But I threw. away my entire personality for this.". Like Like I gave up my weekends for. this. Like, I You know what I mean? And. that's why I'm like bitter about it. But, honestly, yeah, it's like. Next question. I just want you to know that that clip. is going to replay in people's mind. because that is the most relatable. [ __ ] thing anyone has ever said.

sitting in that [ __ ] chair. Cuz I. have done the same [ __ ] thing. never worth it. Never. And the thing is like all the people. that I threw my entire life away, my. self-respect, like I disregarded all my. friends, I disregarded all like my gut. feelings, I disregarded You know what? It never [ __ ] works out. Ever. It never works out. Anyone you have to. throw any weight anything away for, it. never works out. Or you get married and then you get.

divorced. And you think that'll get better when. you get married, but it never does. It. only gets worse. Yeah, rewind to your friends having. [ __ ] kids. You said they're in hell. But, they're in hell cuz they love their. kids. Have your friends ever successfully set. you up with someone? No. I'm hard. I'm hard Wait, wait, yes. Oh. my god. Yeah, I dated someone for a year. cuz my friend set me up. Bad or good decision?

I mean, the whole thing was casual, but. we dated for a year. That's why I'm. saying on this stupid [ __ ]. Yeah, but this is life. Are you kidding. me? I've been [ __ ] dragged through. the mud by a man, and I'm just like, "But I still love you." And it's like, "Dumb [ __ ] He is literally giving you. every [ __ ] sign and more." And you're. still like, "I'm just reading into it wrong. He He. didn't mean that." Yeah, he did. so You're like, "I see the best in. them." And it's like, "No, you Just. stop." Stop. Stop. You're disgusting. I look back at my.

younger self, I'm like, "You need to be. done. Go [ __ ] celibate.". You didn't know. I know. It's so [ __ ] sad. Wait, are. you a good wingwoman? Like in the sense of. Helping your friends like find people. No. No, okay. I don't want to try. I don't try. I'm. not going I don't want to ever set. anyone up. I think people should be. single. Okay. I'm assuming you're single right now. Imagine you're like, "I'm actually so in. love.".

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Is it casual? No. Serious. It's serious. It's serious. How does that make you feel? in love. But I am pro single. Everyone. should be single. I'm serious. Be single. Stop dating. Be single. Have a great time alone. Find. out for yourself if you can 100% be okay. alone before you date. That's what I found out. I had a great. time when I was single.

And now. be okay. And now I have an awesome time. that I'm with someone. Like. How did you meet? I'm like, rewind, [ __ ] You can't just. drop that [ __ ] and be like, but anyways, be single and um any next question? I love being single. But you're not. But I even if I was, I'd be okay. Being single is the most incredible time. in your life to actually be so [ __ ]. selfish so that the next time you get. into a relationship, you know you're. like, I'm never going to put up with. this anymore because guess what? Doing.

this [ __ ] by myself is better. So unless. you're making my life better, [ __ ] right. off. Okay. Come on. What's the question? How did you meet? Through a friend. But it wasn't a setup. Okay. Just like. Yeah. I just like at a. Who made the first move? Me. I'm usually the one who makes I like in. every circumstance, I make the first. move. Can you explain to me how you start the. dating process with someone? Like are. they are you having to have them come.

over to your house? Are you going out in public? I haven't dated someone since. like this all like really really blew. up. Like. Before I became I'm I'm dating the same. person that I was dating before I got. like it blew up. I'm not sure how I would date now. I. think it would actually be a nightmare. I think I would be like. so [ __ ] single right now. Yeah. Cuz you're terrified about their. intentions. I'm scared. I'm scared. I.

don't trust. I don't trust anyone. I just think in my head I'm like. any new person that I am texting, I'm. like, I'm assuming they will screenshot. this and like send it to someone else. That's like why I can't. You're like, I guess we're getting. married. No, you're not at all. Lucky for you. Um how would you describe. your type? I really don't have one. I know what. everyone says that, but.

like. I don't know. I love um I just love. as far as like looks and stuff, I don't. really really have a type, but I love. art girls, like weird art girls, girls. who. love to read and love to like who are up. like very niche. Like I probably like a girl that. collects things and like is okay with an. exotic pet, owned a hamster one time and.

would own one again, or like doesn't. give a [ __ ] about their car, will pick. up a worm, is not scared of like bugs. and snakes. Um. can get down watching a foreign film, would be okay like having zero plan. So like. have you ever taken the enneagram test? I have and I. cannot tell you what my [ __ ] number. is cuz I did it so long ago. I think I'm. an eight.

Are you going to walk out on me? I'm an eight. No, that's rare. I remember taking. everyone thought I was going to be a. two. What the [ __ ] is a two? an eight? I'm an eight. That's iconic. Do you like me more now? I. You're going to say you love me. Yeah, we're both eights. What is like a. seven? A seven is someone who's like the. enthusiast. Like someone who's just. like, "Woo, party. I just want to have a. good time.". Maybe that's what I am, the enthusiast. What's it What's Nate called? The challenger. I'm the challenger.

That's me. Dude, that's me. What the [ __ ]. That's cool. That's why I'm like pointing at people. on the red carpet. I'm like the. challenger. Okay, good to know. What is the boldest. thing you've ever done to shoot your. shot with someone? Send a nude. I guess. I don't know. Just like we'll. be talking like regular and I'll be like. That was one time. Um another time.

Oh, this was so [ __ ] This was so. [ __ ] stupid. I do not think I'm like actually not. proud of this. Ex-boyfriend's at the club. I'm at the club. I see him hitting on this girl. And I'm like. Why the [ __ ] is he doing this in front. of me? This is evil.

Like. We're both single at this point. So, whatever. He goes to the bathroom. I go up to this girl. And I'm like, "I think you're. so pretty.". And then I steal her. And then at the end of the night we were. just making out and he just just. standing there. That's weaponizing gay. No. Actually.

Chapo, that is. That's evil. That's called being evil. and it's like. I was so [ __ ] up. I was on multiple. drugs. So was that girl. He I don't even know. what he's on. Like. And that girl like. Her name was something crazy. It was like. Princely or something like that. It was. crazy. Did you Did you Were you even into her. or you just like. Yeah, she was so pretty and then Yeah,

and then I threw up outside and I was. like, "Actually, this is so dumb. Like, what am I doing?". Did you wake up the next morning with. the scaries or were you like, "Victory"? I was just like. Yeah, shame on you. You weaponized gay. I would never do that again. Okay, but it made for a good [ __ ]. story on Call Her Daddy. Um, do you have. any immediate deal breakers? Car [ __ ]. Yeah, you really This car [ __ ] is not. Something happened to me. I don't. Yeah, what the [ __ ].

Something happened to me. Um. Jesus. Bad breath. Chewing with their mouth open is gray. gray. People who are. who like don't tip. Oh my god. That freaks me out or treat If they. treat their waiter bad, I will never. talk to them the same. I I feel like people always Whenever. people are like, "Oh, that's a like. obvious." But I'm like, "No, but I feel. like when it's rare, but when it. happens, it is like so [ __ ] crazy and. you sit there and you're like clenching.

your body like you hear about this in. the movies and it's [ __ ] happening in. front of my eyes. Get the [ __ ] out of. here, you freak.". I don't like that. I don't like when they talk about. their exes badly. or their the women in their family. badly. I don't date men anymore, but. that was like a common thing. Isn't that crazy? It was like talking [ __ ] about their. mom, about their sister. Um. Yeah, dude. It's like I'm sensitive to smells.

So. But I'm thinking about immediate deal. breakers. I don't know, dude. Like. I think their music taste says a lot. What would turn you off? Like if someone doesn't like Beyoncé, I'm like that says a lot more than. what I need. You know what I mean? Is there anything that they could be. into that you're like. no? You're like you can't say that. I can't say that. Okay, let's talk about your new song. The giver, what is the story behind it?

Well, I was just so god, I'm so annoyed with. literally just. the boys. when I grew up where I grew up, like. just like literally talking about. having sex with these girls and how like. the girls loved it so much and like I. think about me and how performative I. was and like how actually like.

when I started to having sex with women, I didn't really even know what to do. because I was so used to performing, like everything. Just like so. performative. And. and I think about hooking up with women. compared to men and like how much women. give. to. their partner instead of like with men, I just obviously I was dating.

some not awesome people, but what the. common denominator was like they could. not get it through their head like what. they're doing. like. wasn't right and even if I was being. like I don't think that feels good, they were still doing it. But at that. point it's on me. It's like [ __ ] just. break up. What is wrong with you? But. the fact that I have dated so many guys. who do it wrong and don't really. they haven't figured out that they need. to do better. That they need to give.

more. The giver. What I'm saying in the song. is. these country boys are not going to give. you what you need. If you want to have an orgasm, which a lot of ladies don't, apparently. No. No. I didn't. I didn't care about it. my whole life. Obviously,

until I met women. And so, it was like such a like holy [ __ ]. I'm going to write the giver about. showing that actually sex should be um a. giving experience and it's Of course we. love the kinky girls. Of course we love. the doms. We love the the subs. Like. love. But there's still a give and there's. still a giving whatever. So, I wrote the.

giver about that. Just about like. I think specifically in. fem relationships, it's such an understanding that it is so. a giving give, you know. Um. It's mutual. It's yeah, it and I just feel like when. I was with men it wasn't mutual. I'm like, "How How did you date me for 4. years and you weren't concerned that I. didn't orgasm not once?".

Again, it's on me. Like, "Boo-boo, you decided to stay in that. relationship." But it's like, "I if I. could not get my girlfriend there, I. would do everything. I would do anything, however long. I don't care. I would do anything. Why did they not do. anything? Why didn't they want to do. anything? Why didn't they want to do. everything for me?". We just start crying. I do everything.

for my girlfriend, you know? No, it's so. [ __ ] sad. I was in the same position. I stayed in a relationship and I. literally would just lay there and be. like, I think he actually thinks he's. hitting the [ __ ] and like he's at like. the bottom of my labia. Like. But do you tell him to go up? I in moments would, but I would find. like it's [ __ ] hard cuz then they. shut down and then they're like. and then it's like, oh my god, I'm so. sorry. Like your little [ __ ] ego, you.

piece of [ __ ] But no, then then you're. just like Jesus Christ and then you're. like, I literally would like go in the. shower and just [ __ ] masterbate. Like. God bless me and America. [ __ ] But then. eventually I started to get [ __ ]. vocal towards the end of like, if you. can't [ __ ] find it in 30 minutes. this is I got to go. Yeah, then it is. kind of on you. When I started hooking up with women, I. realized how easy it is actually. Thank you. I realized how easy it is to eat a girl.

out. and how this whole time I thought it was. your neck hurts so bad. I. It's like hard, my jaw hurts. You know. what's hard? Sucking dick. Eating a girl out, you can lay down. It's. actually. I was fooled. I was foolish to think that of course it. wasn't as hard.

I was what I was doing for them. Of course it wasn't. That's why I would. never do anal. because I was like, then let me peg you. They would be like, no way. Why not we just try? Let me peg. you and then we can maybe we'll try. Wait, like let's Uno reverse. We both. should If you want to do what I want to. do it. And then they're like, no no babe. babe I ended it. That's one thing that we both have. We. both have that type. We both have that. hole.

Figure it out. But when I started hooking up with. women, I was like. [ __ ]. you guys. This is one. enjoyable, first of all. Finally. Second of all. way way easier. It's actually [ __ ]. crazy. It's actually [ __ ] crazy. So, what? You can't find the [ __ ] Work. harder. It may take 10 minutes longer. That's fine. I was always confused why my boyfriends.

didn't want to go down like. Cuz they're just so [ __ ] selfish. Is that what it is or do you think that. Do you think that men don't actually. like vulvas? I think they do. You think they do like that? they do. I think they're terrified of. their masculinity being threatened if. they don't really know what to do cuz. they're so [ __ ] dumb. So, then they. just are like. uh I guess it's different with certain. men. Have you hooked up with a woman?

No. Should I? Yeah, first of all, yes. Matt? But like. Sorry to cut you off. No, you're I'm I'm just saying I think. that there's a. different level of men depending on how. [ __ ] toxic masculinity they're. working with cuz I think some men are. just like, "I'm not [ __ ] doing that.". Then other men are like, "I really want. to try." But then they need to be. taught, but their ego has to be intact. for them to be taught. And then it they. can be taught. Trust me, they can be.

taught. Sucking dick. you only do one thing. Sometimes you can get crazy. But really it's only one one type of. motion. Vulvas are so different and so. intricate that it's hard. It's harder. It's harder to find a clitoris and do. exactly what a. someone with a clitoris likes. than sucking a dick. That's completely fair cuz it's like you. have to also stay at the certain pace if.

they're going to like it's a whole. Yeah, like it's it is a lot more. complicated but like. I am just confused why like. I'm just confused. I'm you know what? I'm confused by myself for staying and. settling. I think that's fair. I think a lot of. people are. Do you like to give first or. receive first in with your partner? Give first. Okay. PDA or keep it private? Don't [ __ ] do that. Don't actually.

legit don't. I just got like really. stressed out. FaceTimes or phone calls? I like both. Okay. I like both. A lot of like I feel like a. lot of. Gen Z'ers just FaceTime instead of call. but like I I like both. Yeah, depending on the vibe. Yeah. Late night or morning sex? Late night. Late night. Make the first move or be pursued? Make the first move. Back in the day, drunk sex or high sex?

God, both are awesome. But I probably high sex now. Yeah, agree. Wand or rabbit? I do not [ __ ] with rabbits. I don't [ __ ] with like a lot of them, honestly. What is your favorite? I guess wand. Or like the little. the the rose thing but it's not the. rose. Have you tried the one that like. pulsates and it's like the womanizer.

thing? Yes. It kind of just like pulsates on your. [ __ ] It's the best [ __ ] thing ever. Yes. I use it like every time I have sex. Work. That is like what is also so. different about um. what? For me it's like. for some reason. a lot of men that I've been with have. been really uncomfortable with me using. toys, but like. I think it's like a a given with a lot. of like gay sex, so it's kind of awesome. that that's not even like an issue. I think that every single person should.

be able to bring toys into the bedroom, and if your partner doesn't let you, he's a little [ __ ] [ __ ] boy. Um. okay, I promise we're wrapping up. Just. a couple more questions I want to just. talk to you about obviously your career. has been. [ __ ] insane this year. Like I I don't. even have words to describe it, and with. so much of that comes like what we've. been we were talking about earlier of. just like pressures and things that you. don't know how to handle. Like have any. female artists in the industry ever. reached out to you to offer support in.

all of this? Yeah. Like almost every girl. Wow. Yeah. It's really awesome. What piece of advice do you think has. helped you the most in all of this? She said it feels like puberty. It's like everything is going to change, and everything is going to hurt, and. everything is going to be uncomfortable. now. And that like. there is a way to.

make life bearable again. Um. and just like. Katy Perry literally was so straight up. She was like, "Just don't read the. comments.". Goodnight. And she like when she. came up to me at Brat. That's so Katy. at Sweat Tour. She was like, "Just don't. don't read the comments, honey. Bye-bye." And she just like hopped off, and I was like actually yelling, "Why am. I doing this to myself?" And she is so.

like. these women have [ __ ] done it, like. and are still doing it, and the way. they're still doing it is. by ultimate protection. And another I mean. the best piece of advice was spend more. than you're comfortable with on. security. That's the thing you don't realize. You don't realize how many people are. watching you when you don't realize they. are. Like.

everyone wants Some people Some people. want me dead. Like it's crazy. People know everything about me. People. know my flight numbers. People know. everything. That was the crazy part. It. happened literally overnight. Like I. landed Like I Everything was normal. Did. golf ball. It was fine. I was walking. around New York. I was getting stopped, you know, like, "Oh my god, I love you.". La la la. I was like, "Thank you." He he. he. Then I do Fallon, fly back the next.

day from Fallon, land at the airport, there is someone waiting for me at my. gate. And this has never happened before. And I was like. "Oh, what?". I was like, "How did you get in here?". And like they had like my album and. stuff, and they had bought a ticket to. get through TSA. just to get to my gate. And then like. when I got. to baggage claim, there were five people. waiting. So literally overnight and then it it. like happened so much after that. And it.

like stuff has been happening like that. since. The feeling of being watched. is the weirdest [ __ ] thing. I get why it's addictive though. It's addict- It's addictive to walk in. and know that everyone's looking at you. And that everyone's saying. That's addictive. Fame is so addictive. I get it. I get. why people want this forever. Do you have like moments where you're.

like, "Holy [ __ ] am I too in it right. now?" Like do you ever have moments. where you try try pull back, whether. it's like, "I need to pull back on. public appearances a little bit. Like, I. need to [ __ ] be in a reality for like. just a little bit more before I push. myself back into it. Well, that's why I do like. stuff like this cuz it's fun. Yeah. Doing stuff that's soul-sucking is. actually where I lose myself. Yeah. So, if I'm like I can do my job, but as. long as it's fun, then I feel like I. haven't lost myself. But, what feels. like I'm too in it is when I start.

caring about numbers. When I start caring about charts, when I. start caring about checks, when I start. caring about like, "Well, what is she. doing? Oh, she's doing that much. touring? Okay, let's add some more.". It's like. that's when I'm not in reality anymore. because like. actually the only thing that matters is. like I go out on stage and like make. like me smile and then some other people. smile and then I get off stage and pay. my rent and that's it. Tell me if you have to in just like a.

one of the accomplishments or just a. moment from this past year that you're. the most proud of. I mean, the VMAs were so. awesome. I had a great time. I had a great time. at the Grammys. Like. I think I'm real what I'm really. what I'm actually most proud of. myself for is like. dang. I didn't.

I didn't bend at the knee. I did not. kiss the ring. That's actually what I think I'm the. most proud of. I did not do like I did. not jump through the hoops that I. was told I had to to get. a [ __ ] Grammy. Or like I did not have. to kiss the ring of what whoever. Like I. just. you either like me as I am. or don't invite me to a party or don't.

invite me to an award show, or don't. expect me to like. I don't know. I I'm very I'm most proud. of myself. for doing. what makes me feel like a good person. over. what is the most. how can I get the most money, you know? Like I turn. I just want to feel like a good person.

I don't care about anything else in this. world. Like that's my deepest fear. of all time. In my heart of hearts, my. deepest fear is feeling. a bad person and doing everything I can. to be a good person, and then still. realizing I'm actually bad. But that's some Christian guilt there. Dude, growing up Catholic I was like. Yeah. You can't you can't shake it. It's. [ __ ] hard. Um favorite song to. perform? I like my king is karma. Love. Who is your dream artist to. collaborate with?

SZA. [ __ ] that would be good. Um. you started off 2025 winning a Grammy. Can you tease anything else to the Daddy. Gang of what is to come this year? Oh, The Giver is not the only song. I. will say that. And girl, you know I'm going to be. coming out with looks for the for the. festivals.

Chappell Roan, thank you so much for. coming on Call Her Daddy. Thank you for having me. this was such an honor. You. blew me away. Like. one of the best interviews ever. You're. [ __ ] insane. No, you're insane. Like. No, and you are. You are. And. good vibes. Thank you. I like your questions.

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