Catherine Paiz: My Husband Cheated with 20 Women (Full Episode)

Daddy gang, welcome back to another. episode of Call Her Daddy. Today I am. sitting down with Katherine Pies. If you. are a fan of the Ace Family, then you. already know exactly what we're about to. get into. But for those of you who may. not be as familiar with today's guest, I'm going to catch you up. Okay. Catherine and her ex-husband Austin. McBroom started the Ace Family YouTube. channel in 2016. They were essentially. the first family vloggers to ever do it.

and people were so obsessed with them. To this day, they still have 18 million. subscribers. Okay, so for years, everyone watched Catherine and Austin's. relationship play out online. We watched. them get engaged, have kids, move into. new homes, and they documented every. aspect of their lives on YouTube. Now, throughout their relationship, there was. a lot of controversy. There was. financial turmoil, and there were tons.

and tons of cheating allegations, but to. the public, they always put up a united. front until they suddenly stopped. posting and revealed that they were. getting a divorce. For the past about. two years, they have been basically not. really addressing anything, and there. are so many unanswered questions. How. often was Austin actually cheating? Was. Katherine aware the entire time? What. was going on with their finances? And.

what is the truth behind the drug. allegations? So, Daddy Gang, I am. excited to give Catherine the. opportunity to speak on all of it today. in long form for the first time. Let's. get into it. What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. Catherine Pi, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you. Okay, we've got a lot to talk.

about. Obviously, you and your. ex-husband Austin McBroom started the. Ace Family, which quickly became quite. literally the biggest family YouTube. channel ever to exist. And then suddenly. you guys went dark. And I think everyone. has a lot of questions which we're going. to get into, but first I just want to. know how are you doing? I'm doing good. I feel like.

um I'm in a new place in my life and I'm. just so excited just to like be free. with myself and just be authentic. Um. not that I wasn't authentic before, I. just feel like I'm at just a new stage. in life. Yeah. You and Austin's last. video together was almost two years ago. I know. I didn't even know that. Almost. two years ago. Okay, that's crazy. Which. is crazy because I feel like for so long. people watched you every single day. Like you were on our screens for so.

long. So to go for 2 years, it's been a. long time. Why are you ready to talk. about all of this now? I think for me. it's like I was I felt silenced for so. long and it wasn't like someone was. silencing me. I was silencing myself. And I think that for all those years of. just not being able to just speak freely. and just like really sit with myself. Um. it was really hard, Alex. It was really. hard. And I think that now I'm just so.

healed from all of my experiences, not. just my relationship, all of the traumas. and all the experiences that I faced. early on in my life. I've just healed so. much through all of them. Truly, like. actually truly. And I just feel so. um alive. I feel like I can really just. be myself and it's okay, you know? It's. it's okay to be me and sit with myself. And I wrote a book. Yes, you did. I.

wrote a book about um you know, some of. the experiences that I had early in my. life um into my you know, into my. adulthood. And I think through my. healing and through writing of this. book, I've really just like came back to. myself. That's really beautiful because. I think so many people always say like. why now to people and I actually was. interested to know like why now and I. can feel your energy and like I think a. lot of people who have been your fan for. so long have wanted you to get to this.

point in your life but I do know a lot. of it is a little messy because I just. obviously saw some chapters got released. of your memoir and then you have your. ex-husband Austin coming forward and. he's already commentating on this is a. lie, this isn't truthful, this is. exaggerated. How did you feel when you. saw him kind of publicly coming out and. trying to put down essentially this. book? Yeah. I feel like that's already.

an indicator of why I never expressed. myself, you know, through all those. allegations of cheating and infidelity. and all those things. It's like I was so. afraid to speak up. I was so afraid to. say I'm an idiot. Like I just didn't see. it, you know. Or I was so afraid to. say, you know, I'm trying to hold the. very little piece that we have in our. family. I'm trying to keep that. together. I'm trying to shelter the the. very little piece that we have, you.

know, and um for me it was. like, you know, I I'm just I'm. embarrassed. I don't know what's true or. not. There are so many things that. aren't true. It's really hard to like. differentiate what is true, what isn't. Um, until I really found out. Okay, we're going to go all the way back. because I feel like we know you as the. Ace Family. We know you as Catherine, a. part of the Ace Family, but I think it's. important and you talk about this in.

your book. I want to just lightly talk. about your life before all of this. Describe like what was your experience. growing up in your family dynamic? Yeah. So, uh, my mom was born in Nicarawa. My. dad is Panameanian. They met in Panama. Uh, they were teenagers when they met. And, um, you know, they had a lot of. hardship. Um, they had a very toxic. relationship just like any young couple. that is new to a country, new language,

new everything. They didn't have family, they didn't have friends. And so, the. first half of my childhood, my dad was a. single dad. um my mom uh took herself. out of that toxic relationship and moved. to Florida. And so um you know I I knew. she did that for the best of for the. best of the family. And um it's. interesting cuz I'm like I was such a I. had such an awareness even as a child. that I like knew like she's doing the. right thing. You know what I mean? Like.

I knew that as a child and I'm like I. know my mom is doing this for us, you. know, for the bigger picture. Um, my. parents didn't have much money, you. know, really nothing. Um, and I had this. really weird relationship with money. Like I remember thinking like, you know, my mom would say things like, "We don't. have the money for that or we can't do. that or you know, and I remember looking. at her and thinking, I'm going to make a. lot of money one day so that I can do. all the things that I want to do and I.

can support you and I can support my. family." And it was like this drive that. I had inside of me. So many adults, you. get to that place where you're like, what was lacking in your childhood that. then you were craving because whether. you had friends that had it or you were. told you couldn't have it, then it's. almost like that goal in your head, which then we'll get to cuz then you. eventually got all of that. And. sometimes it doesn't mean that that is. the thing that brings you happiness. But. when you're young and you have this. vision, totally, it's like you're going.

to go for it no matter what. Yeah. I I'm. interested though hearing you talk about. your parents having a toxic. relationship. Like how did. their marriage impact you at a young age. of like how you viewed love? Yeah, hugely. Oh my god, that's such a good. question. You're so good at this. Thank. you. Stop. Um, okay. So, I feel like. when my marriage was going downhill, we. didn't have good communication. That's. one thing I, you know, I take full. accountability is I had the worst.

communication. Um, and I'm still working. on it today. I think I've gotten a lot. better. But, um, when I look at my. parents, I thought I don't want to be. another couple that doesn't make it. You. know, I want to I want to be I want to. have that traditional love. You say your. I do and you're in there for, you know, till death do its part. That was like. kind of my the way that I saw it, you. know. Um, also having children, you.

know, you want your children to grow up. with both their parents and that was my. dream. It's like I want to be able to. have that family and when we had it, you. know what I mean? And and I thought, oh. my gosh, like I remember one morning I I. remember thinking like, did I make it? Like looking around, I remember, did I. make it? And I was like, well, why do I. feel so empty? Call Her Daddy is brought. to you by Tinder. Have you ever seen. someone on Tinder that really stands out.

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today. Let's talk about. Austin. Can you tell me how you guys. met? Like, how did that all go down? Yeah. Um, I moved to Los Angeles. I had. this fuel to move to Los Angeles. I was. super excited and I bought a one-way. ticket. Um, my friend invited me um to. an all-white attire party and I walked. in and I saw Austin from across the. room. Awesome Mc Broom from across the. room. And I looked at him and I thought, I don't know why, but I feel like I know.

him. So interesting. And she introduced. us and we shook hands and that was it. And then I I took an Uber home and I I. didn't talk to him. So about a month. later, he had messaged me on uh I think. like Twitter or something. He was like, "Hey, I'd like to send you something.". And I didn't respond. So, a month went. by and then. uh he messaged me again and he was like, "Hey, I'd like to take you to dinner.". And I almost didn't go. I was like, "I. don't know why, but something's telling. me to go, but I'm just like, I don't.

know. I don't know." And so, um, I'll. never forget that morning he was like, "So, oh," he goes, "Do you like. sushi?" And I said, "No.". He's like, "Okay, well, me neither, but. I got us a res a reservation at uh Nou. Malibu." And I and I said, "Okay, that's. nice." Like, in my head, I'd never been. there before, so I'll go. So, we go and. we're sitting across from each other, you know, we're by the ocean and we're. talking. He was asking me a lot of. questions about me. I thought that was. really nice. You know, he's a young. college student. It was like he was. going into his senior year of college.

playing D1 basketball. And he's talking. and all of a sudden, like I just don't. hear anything. And I'm like, "Oh my. gosh, that is a person that I'm going to. have children with and that is a person. that I'm going to marry." And I knew it. in that moment. Like nothing could tell. me otherwise. What was it about him? It. was just a feeling. It was just this. feeling. It's like this inner knowing. And I thought, I just know it's him.

Okay. You write about in the book that. the first time you have your first kiss. is the same day that you both also say I. love you. Mhm. Were you nervous at how. fast it was moving? No. No. Why? Because. it was just meant to be. I saw this. thing recently. Um I don't I don't know. who said this. I I'll find out and let. everyone know, but um she said when you. meet the one or when you meet someone. that you're meant to be be with, you. skip the dating phase. So, it's like we.

just went from like meeting each other. to being like we're married kind of. thing. You know what I mean? Who said I. love you first? He said it first. Did. you say it back immediately? Immediately. And so it didn't freak you. out at all. You didn't feel like it was. like love bombing at all. You were just. like this is this is it. This is it. If. you had to pinpoint it back then, what. do you think was different about Austin. compared to all the other guys that you. had dated? Well, one, he doesn't care. what anybody thinks. And I think I find. that so attractive and I feel like.

that's like my inner self is like I. don't give a [ __ ] what anyone thinks. But he was like that person for us in. our dynamic, you know, taught me a lot. Um I also think, you know, he's very. um he's just very motivated. He's a very. motivated person. Um and I just I was just so attracted to. the fact that he was so free with. himself. And I never met anyone like. that. Actually, the only person that I. know close to him is my brother. And I.

always said, "Oh my god, you and my. brother need to meet because you guys. are so much alike." How soon into your. relationship did you get pregnant? Like. 2 months. It was so quick. Oh wow. It. was so quick. What was your reaction? What was Austin's reaction? So, it's. interesting because the day before we. found out, we were at a restaurant and. his friend just had a baby. So, he. showed me the newborn photos and I was. looking down. I was like, "Oh my gosh, like would you would you want to start a. family one day?" He's like, "Yeah, I. like I would love to have kids one day.". He's like, "You know, maybe in the.

future, you know, and he goes, like, we'll start a family one day." And I was. like, "I like I know like I feel it, you. know. I feel I feel a family for us.". Just I just knew it. Um, but I didn't. know he was pregnant already. How did. you tell him? He was right there in the. room. I I He was in the room. He was. sitting on his belly, you know, scrolling on his phone. And I I I. thought, "Yeah, I feel feel nauseous. You know, I feel kind of sick." And he. thought, "Oh, maybe we should take a. pregnancy test." And I'm thinking like. I'm nothing's going to happen. And I. took the test and immediately I stood.

up. I didn't even think about it. I just. stood up. Hey. And I threw threw the. stick at him by like close to him on the. bed. And he's looking at he's like I'm. like, "Yeah, I think we're pregnant.". And he's and it was the the lines were. very faint, so we couldn't tell for. sure. But just his reaction. Yeah. And. just the way I slept I slept so good. that that night. I didn't think about. it. I'm thinking we're good no matter. what. you started this YouTube channel. obviously shortly after that she was. born. How did you guys decide to do.

this? So when he was um in college for. that last year um I decided to move in. with him. I was pregnant for that whole. year. And he had a a roommate, like. someone that was kind of there just to. help with that last year of college. because he was playing, you know, D1. basketball and he was still going to. school and then, you know, I was. pregnant. And so he was kind of just. there to like keep tabs and make sure. that everything was good. And he was the. one that said, "Hey guys, like you guys. should really start a YouTube channel.".

And he's like, "You know, your videos. are going viral on Facebook and people. are making money off of them." And I'm. thinking like, "What?" Yeah, cuz we. would make like cute little homemade. videos, you know, of him talking to my. belly or just us being funny and goofy. or whatever. And he's like, "People are. taking your videos and monetizing your. videos. Why don't you guys make your own. videos?" And I thought, "Can we do that? You can make money off your videos." I'm. like, "What? Like that's so crazy." And. um at the time, you know, his dreams. were to play in the NBA. and that summer.

um you know he he he got with the wrong. agent and he did a couple tryyouts you. know one with the Lakers one with the. Knicks um and just it didn't work out. and we thought what are we going to do. like either you go play overseas. uh in Greece or something we move the B. we go the as a family and and but. nothing is you know in set in stone like. we don't know what that looks like and. so then that's when we were like let's. start YouTube back in the beginning once.

El was born. Whose decision was it to. make her a part of the content? It just. came naturally. Yeah, because I didn't. film my birth with L. It was like, you. know, we just private, you know, just I. mean, we filmed on our phone, you know, we weren't making a vlog. And I think like it just made sense. because we are so hands-on with our. child and we my I was not going to get a. nanny. I'm like, I'm going to raise my. daughter, you know? I'm I'm finally have. my daughter here, you know. And I.

thought, well, we can make contact with. with our daughter, you know, we can just. naturally organically share our journey. Did you have any. hesitations in the beginning or later on. about putting your kids on camera? Never. And you know why, Alex? Because. back in the day, it was really new. Like YouTube, it's. been a thing for a while, but we were. really like that. like I hate to say the word, but I feel. like we kind of pioneered that like.

family. vlogging experience, you know what I. mean? It's like we were the first to do. it at that magnitude in that way. And it. was like. I it was like when this monster of like. social media was starting, you know, sometimes I think back and I'm like, "Oh. my god, am I part of that this craziness. that's going on now in the world?" Do. you know? Cuz obviously I'm sure you've. seen it, but like there are people that.

accuse you and Austin of exploiting your. kids. Like what do you say to that? Yeah. I just think that like when we. first started it was so pure. It was. like pure intentions. It was like. obviously we want to make a living, you. know, like anyone wants to make a. living. You got to work. But it was more. like we're just being present with our. family, our daughter. And it's. interesting cuz we would make these. elaborate videos and we found out very. early on that people enjoyed our family. vlogs, our simple family vlogs sitting. on the floor. Those would get more views.

than our like big elaborated videos we. would spend money on and doing. So it. was just like well people just want to. see us. They just relate to us. Maybe. they see themselves in us. So much of. your success is through your children. Did you guys have a big conversation. about setting them up with money and. like putting money away for them or was. it more just like it's all the families? Yeah. No, they have their separate bank. accounts. Um actually very early on in. my career, I think 2017 when L was about. a year old, we got her a bank account,

you know. Um yeah, I think that those. were the conversations and things we. were having. Um but in terms of like. exploitation and stuff like that never. crossed our mind. That was like like I. don't I just feel. like we were just the beginning of. something new. How do you feel about it. now? You know, we're in the age of technology. and you know it's like there's no right.

or wrong. I don't think like I think. that like if people choose to keep their. private certain private things away from. social media that's beautiful. And I. think that if some people choose to do. it the opposite way, I think that that's. beautiful, too. I think that. everything's meant to be the way that. it's meant to be. Once you guys kind of. started. really becoming yourselves and people. know knew the Ace Family like on a good. month, can I ask like how much were you. guys making? So there was a period we.

were making like we were making seven. seven figures a month. Um, to me it it. was like I was numb to. it truly. Like it didn't make it it was. just like it doesn't make any sense. I. was going through this phase in my life. where I just felt so disattached. And now I look back and think, "Oh my. god, I would have done so much with. that. I wouldn't have invested. I would. have bought my mom a house, my dad a. house. I would have done this, this, and. that." And it's like. we we just didn't have the right.

mentors. We didn't have the right tools, you know? We didn't have we had a lot of. yesmen around us and we just made really. bad business decisions along the way. Once you guys started filming everything. all the time, when did it start to feel. like you weren't just filming parts of. your life, but you were. living to film and get content? Like. when do you think that switch happens? Cuz I feel like for a lot of creators,

yeah, it happens. Oh my gosh. Yeah, there was moments where I'm like because. you know like big reveals and stuff like. people want to watch those. That's a. great clickbait. And so um you know it. was genuine for a long time. It was like. okay like he's genuinely surprising me. He's genuinely proposing to me. Like it. was like wow like this is so crazy that. we can capture such a big milestone, big. moment and we can actually look back on. it too like it's filmed. Um, but then.

also having so many eyes on you. I. didn't know back in the day, back in the. now I know, but I didn't know that I was. not protecting myself. But the moment. that um I realized where I I don't know. if this is real or not real, I don't. know. Um, that must have. happened genuinely. There was like a big. moment for me. It. was when my second daughter was born.

Um, I just felt this. disconnection and it was like I actually. don't want to film this, but like I know. that people are waiting for it because. they've invested so much and there was. this fine line of like do I put my foot. down and just like live in the moment or. do I also So, and then he was holding. the camera so it made it easier but then. it was like is he here though? Is he. present? So that that was like a big. moment for me. And did you end up.

releasing a video? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How did you feel about it? I was just. like really numb and empty at the time. Yeah. Did you ever find that you started. to not be clear if Austin was doing. romantic gestures for you because it was. he was filming it so it would look good. for you guys as a couple or were you. like wait is he actually doing this. romantic gesture and he just happens to. be filming? Oh, uh, totally. Yeah, there. was moments where I'm thinking.

like I don't know like you really. surprise me, you know, or it's like and. then it was like me kind of having to. follow with that like surprise and then. I'm like I feel like I'm a clown in a. circus. You know what I mean, right? Cuz. you couldn't just naturally be. like like if if my husband surprises me, of course I'm going to be surprised, but. then you kind of like chill for a second. after wait, when did you think of this? But you have to you see the camera. So. then it's like keep it going. Call the. kids down. Get everyone around. Let's.

run to the backyard. And it's like. you're a production and it's theatrical. Mhm. Which feels like you probably were on. this hamster wheel where it's like you. can't get off this ride almost and you. did you and Austin ever have a. conversation being like let's set. boundaries of like what we should keep. private and what we shouldn't. There. might have been moments where we kind of. talked about, but to be honest with you, not really. Like I just we didn't have.

that communication within ourselves. Yeah. In the book, you write that Austin. made a lot of financial decisions. without asking you and that it was so. extreme. You would check your bank. accounts and see six figures missing. Where was all the money going? Yeah, there was moments where, you know, I'd. see some money coming out and it was, you know, to pay this, pay that, and it. was like I didn't feel like I was having. that like wife, like that partner, that. husband and wife conversation about our.

finances and it would be heartbreaking. to look at the bank cuz I was very well. aware of what was in there and it's like. where where did that go? Like what. what's happening? or like. um one thing as well it's like little. things that you know things that I would. never think to pay for like um like a. private jet for instance you know that. personally for me wasn't something I. would ever do like if I had never met. him I would have never been on a private. jet today I'm like probably never you. know because I'm thinking like I'll just.

take a regular flight but um little. moments like that but it it seems which. makes me sad for you because I feel like. that unfortunately is a lot of people's. experience where you're like I didn't. feel like it was a partnership when it. came to finances and yet you were 50/50. and making all this money. Like did you. ever go to him and be like Austin I feel. a little bit in the dark here like we. need to have Yeah, for sure. And how did. he react when you would bring that up? Oh, you know, I'm sorry. You know, I. didn't want you to worry. And I don't.

know. I just feel like, you. know, I I get it. But it's like that's. not what a marriage is about. A marriage. is about talking about these very deep. things that really affect like our. children and our future and like you. know when you make certain investments. the goal is to make at least make your. money back you know and so um that was. really stressful for me that really. caused a lot of a stress and strain in. our relationship. That's what I was.

wondering because I know you write a lot. about the home foreclosure that you guys. went through which was so public and so. many people were talking about it of. like are they broke? What's happening? And you put a lot of the detail. beautifully in the book but like overall. when you look back at that moment in. your life what did losing that house. represent to you? So leading up to that moment,

um we I felt like there was a lot of. things that I was losing control over, right? My family, my relationship, um our career, everything, right? There. was a lot of narratives and things that. were being said and I and you know, I. kept I was really strong and I was like, you know, I'm going to be strong and you. know, um I'm going to keep fighting and. we have our home, you know, we have our. home. We our kids are happy, they're. healthy, we're healthy, everything's. fine. And so one day I wake up and I get. a phone call. It's my father-in-law. He. said, "Kather, the house is under. forclosures. It's all over the news.".

And I'm like, "What do you mean? What do. you mean?" He goes, "Well, your loan. ended and no one's going to It's a jumbo. loan. No one's going to accept you. You. don't have the certificate of. occupancy." But I'm like, "But I've been. paying the mortgage every month for 3. years. Everything we What do I need to. do? What do we need to pay? I I'll I'll. save it. What What do we need? There's. nothing you can do. It's under. forclosure. It's gone. You have a 30. days to move out." Oh my. god. Yeah. And it was heartbreaking. I I. cried an ocean. And it's crazy because. out of all the things that were. happening in that era, that was the.

thing that really broke me because I was. looking for a home my whole life. It's. like I just wanted to feel like I'm at. home. Can you explain to me because I'm. sure people are really confused and want. a little bit of clarity on like there. was so much going on behind the scenes. obviously that people didn't know like. what was it really like between you and. Austin when the cameras were off. When. the cameras were off I wouldn't say that.

there was much of a change. I think if. anything at least I can speak for myself. I feel like I was pretending. You know. what I mean? It's like I feel like I. was just so disconnected from myself. Not like everything around me, but like. within myself, you know? And I was. like, all of this happened so fast. Like. I gave birth, we started a YouTube. channel. It grows overnight. I'm a new. mother. I'm newly married. Um there's.

all these these eyes on us. Um, there's. so many people that want thing from. things from us and you know, it just it. was just a lot of things. And so when. the cameras were off, it was more like. I'm just going to sit here and. breastfeed my baby and just like scroll. on my phone. Like I never went out. I. never hung out with my friends. I hardly. saw my family. I was in a really dark. place. Let's talk about the cheating. allegations. Mhm. So over the years.

there were so many different allegations. of Austin cheating on you and it was a. pretty constant conversation online for. a couple years. At first, how much. attention were you giving to these. rumors? And did you even believe them. when it first started? When it first. started, my heart sank. I'm like, "Oh my. gosh." Like I remember like sitting with. myself. Oh my gosh. Like is this going. to happen? You know, and then it was. like, "Oh, well, I I see him. I'm with. him every day. Like, we're co-parenting. We're married. We're business partners.

I mean, when is he going to have time? But it's really interesting. I was. telling my mom the other day, I remember. when I was 16 years old and I walked. into a a room with the the TV was on and. there was um it was that talk show uh. Tyra Banks and there was a lady who. said, "If a man has enough time to go. into the bathroom, he has enough time to. cheat." And it just stuck with me and I. thought, "Does he have enough time to. cheat on me?" You know what I mean? Um, and so that was kind of like the. beginning. It's like I don't know what's. true or not. And you know, and I'd even.

have moments where we'd be laying in. bed, you know, just falling asleep and. I'd get a text from a random number. Your husband is out at a party with me, da da da, and I'm thinking like, he's. right over here. So some there's moments. I didn't know what to believe. There's. some things that are true. There's some. things that are distorted. There's some. things that are not true. So it was. really hard to tell. And in those. moments, did you cuz I know you're kind. of saying your communication wasn't. great when the allegation started. Did. you bring it up to him at all or was.

that another thing that you guys kind of. were like, "Yeah, no, no, no. I brought. it up." And what was his response in the. beginning? Oh, you know, that comes with. a territory and let's not respond. because we're just going to add fuel to. the fire and it's not true. And I'm. like, "Okay." You know, and and you. trusted him. I did. Yeah, I really. trusted him. When you look back at the. very beginning, like the very beginning. allegations, do you believe even then he. was cheating? No. Can you take me to the. moment where you found out about he was.

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so many. But, um there was this. one moment I had just had my daughter, my second daughter. She was about 6. months old or something. and he was. like, "Hey, I have to go to Miami for a. meeting and and I go, please." And I'm, you know, I'm the type of partner where. I love for my partner to feel free, like. I trust you. Go. You want to go on a. trip, you want to go boys trip, whatever. you want to do, go. Like, that's just my. personality. Now, I look back, I'm. thinking, look, I should change should.

change some things up a little bit and. care a little bit more. But at the time, I just had a baby. I was tired. I was. filming every day. I had another baby, taking care, changing diapers, breastfeeding. I breastfeed all my kids. 5 years straight. Wow. So, um, super. exhausted, super tired, you know, and so. he said, "I want to go to Miami." And I. said, "You know, you go you go on your. trip." And I remember calling my mom and. my mom saying, "I would never let my. husband leave when my baby's just a. couple months old. Like, you're I don't. know. You're different." And I'm. thinking, "Oh, well, I don't know." I. was like, you know, I think he deserves. it. He's been working so hard. He edits.

People don't realize he edited every. single video on our channel. We didn't. have an editor. So, I thought, you know, he deserves to go out. Like, it's okay. He wants to go on a business trip, whatever. I remember that business trip. like it was yesterday that business trip. he called me quite a few times where I. felt like you're calling me a little too. much like I was just like I don't know. like it's okay go have fun you know and. he pocket dialed me accidentally and I. heard women in the back there a couple. women and I thought okay well okay well.

I guess my husband's hanging out with. women I'm thinking whatever hung up the. phone continued my day. a couple Months go by and this uh blonde. male makeup artist makes this video on. YouTube talking about my husband and how. he was in Miami and there was this group. of people and there was all these girls. and there was this boat and all these. and to be honest with you till this day. I never watched the video but I have.

gotten that like information from some. good friends who watched it for me and. were able to like process it for me and. help me process it. And I was pregnant in that. moment and I had to I had to listen to. that and I nobody knew I was pregnant. I. was having my son and I and I remember. balling and thinking is this true? And. even if it's not true, why are people. saying this? this is like so detailed. and like and I believed you know I.

didn't believe the horrors. but it was. like am. I am I just being stupid right now? Like. am I just really not sitting with this. or. am I do I do I vindicate him? Do I. vindicate our family? Do and that's what. I did. And I think back at my old self. I think I poor girl. Like I wish I could. hug her today. Like she was just going.

through so much. And she um the old. version of myself just wanted to protect. that little piece we had in the family, you know, and I would see it in his eyes. and I'm thinking. like I don't know, like something's not. right, but I'm going to have a baby and. I have to focus on the baby right now. So I wasn't sure, right? And that was a. big moment for me. because there was some things that were. being said that just it just made a lot. of sense. It was all adding up. You know. what I mean? And did you confront him?

Yeah, I did. But not in a way where I. was. like it was more like how do we fix this. because this is not true. And he's like. yeah that's not true. da da da that's. you know what this guy and he's making. things up and oh my god he's trying to. extort me and this and that and you know. some of those things were true some of. them weren't and I thought how do we fix. it and I was I was just lying to myself. I knew deep inside something didn't feel.

right. but then a couple months. later I was um we were filming uh this. thing called Vlogmas on YouTube people. film every day for the month of December. and we had done it you know um it was. like a a commentary I remember we would. do every winter and um this was in. December and I was, you know, at that. point I was about 3 months pregnant with. my son. I didn't know I was having a boy. yet. So I, you know, I was pregnant. I. wore baggy shirts and like, you know, like I'd wear bigger shirts cuz I didn't.

want anyone to know yet. I wanted to. keep it to myself, especially cuz there. was all this like negativity going. around about him. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm. just going to keep this to myself. And. then there was this moment that changed. everything for me. Um, we Oh, I had a. dream. I have a lot of dreams. Very. symbolic. I'm sure you do, too. Yeah. I. had a dream where I was walking into my. bedroom. The the bedroom I was sleeping. in. We had this massive long 10-ft bed. I'm walking into the room and there's.

this he's sitting in the bed and there's. a woman with this beautiful blonde hair. and I just see the back of her and she. turns around and she's this demon. And I. woke up from that nightmare and I was I. was crying. I was like, "Oh my god, that. was the worst nightmare I've ever had.". Like I literally there was a demon on my. bed and the whole day felt eerie. It was. so eerie. It was so weird and I didn't. tell anybody and I was just like that's. so weird. Couple of hours later, we.

start filming and we go to um this um. studio to get my daughter's first. haircut. She was a year old. was just. getting her first haircut and he, you. know, um our assistant um who was. Austin's friend from back in the day was. there. It was Austin and myself and our. daughter. And when we walked in, you. know, there's some fans and they were. like, "Can we take picture?" And I'm. like, "Yeah, yeah, like let's finish. filming you doing this and we'll take. the photo." So, they're all waiting. there and you know, everyone in the. salon knows who we are and stuff. So, it. was just, you know, a regular moment.

We're there filming. He's filming um our. daughter's first haircut and I'm kind of. like I'm taking photos for myself for my. phone, you know, like oh my gosh. Like. taking the photo and then like a movie, my camera, I mean, my uh phone dies. It. just goes black. And I look at him. without a thought and I go, "Give me. give me give me your phone. Give me your. phone. Let me take a photo." Cuz you. know, we're going to miss the moment. She's getting her first haircut. As soon. as my hand grabs that phone, mind you, I. had. never never looked in his phone. Ever.

Ever. Never. I grabbed the phone and it. felt kind of weird cuz I'm like holding. his phone, right? Like it just felt odd. because I knew maybe there had maybe. things he was hiding. I didn't want to. look. Y as soon Alex as soon as I. grabbed the phone. No. Like out of a. movie, this long text comes through. if. you really love your wife, you wouldn't. be da da d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d. d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d. d d d d and I I like my my brain scanned. it, but I wasn't able to read it fully. But in that moment, my heart drops. I'm.

pregnant. There's people watching us. The camera's on. It felt like it it just. felt. surreal. The assistant looks, notices, looks at him. He grabs the phone from me. and instantly deletes the message. And I. thought, "Oh my gosh, it's true. Oh my god. Yeah. And I was calm, very. calm. And we, you know, we paid and we. finished. I I I wasn't in my body.

anymore. My like I wasn't on earth. anymore. We walk out of the um store or. the salon and I said, "Austin, who was. that?" And he's like, "It's somebody. It's it's. nothing. Please tell me who that was." I. saw the text and I I kept replaying what. I could have done. Should I ran to the. bathroom? Like should I like take like. I'm like what should I have done? Tackle. him and read it. No. Like I was like I. didn't get to fully read it. But you saw.

enough that it said if you really love. it emotional I I saw enough to know. instantly this is an emotional. relationship he's having with somebody. This is a woman that. is having a relationship with my. husband. And we got in the car and you. know then my voice got a little who was. that? Oh, lower your voice. The kids and. I'm like okay. And I'm calming myself. The kids are in the car. Let's like I. mean it's have grace, right? It say. strong poised get home. We get.

home blacked out. I was like yelling. screaming tell me please please just. tell me who that was. Please, just I. feel so stupid. Just tell me. I'm having. a baby. Please, just tell me. And I ran. out of the house. I got in my car and I. just started driving. And I didn't know. where I was driving. Just driving. Crying in ocean balling. I couldn't even. see where I was driving. And I thought, I need to park somewhere. So, I went to. a park, parked at the park, put my hands. on the wheel, and I said, "God, if you.

hear me, please tell me what to do.". And in that moment, it's so interesting. because. um I knew that one day I'd have a son. and that I would name him Steel. There. was like this inner knowing. And when I had that conversation with. God and I I was really just like just. like a a point of just I'm surrendering. Just tell me what to do. And I heard. this voice and it was like you are. having your son. There's a reason you.

named him Steel. You have to stay strong. for this whole pregnancy and just don't. make any impulsive decisions. Just keep. going. Just keep this in the back of. your mind. It's going to it's it's going. to live there and it's going to it's. going to you're going to see. everything's going to make sense, but. don't make any big decisions right now. And I went home and I acted like. nothing. Wow. I acted like nothing. I. was you know I was I didn't talk to him. for a couple days. I think that was the.

longest we had ever gone without talking. since we met. I think I think we met. like 2 three. days. Um and then um I texted him and I. was like, "We need to talk." And we went. we we took a drive. We met in the middle. of a street and we got in the car and he. told me who she was and he showed me and. I was like, "Okay, so that was the girl. you were talking to a couple months. back. Now it's all making sense. It's. like you said you were talking to a girl. that needed help with Snapchat and I'm. thinking like why is a married man. talking to a woman about Snapchat? Like.

Snapchat wasn't even monetized in the. day. Like what are you talking about? Like what are you doing? Like okay this. is making sense. Okay this is making. sense. Okay so I thought okay. well what do we need to do? Like h how. can we how can we move on from this? Like what do we do? Like I was like and. I didn't tell him this at the time, but. I thought I can forgive him because he's. crying out for help. And I can I because at the time I was I.

wasn't religious. I still not religious, you know? I'm I'm I believe in Christ, but I'm not bound by like religious um. structures. But I was very like you. stick to your husband. I was very like. traditional in that sense. And I don't. know who made me like that, but I was. just that way. And I thought, okay, maybe I can forgive him, you know. And. so as the days went on, you know, then. we went to um a trip to Hawaii. Someone. said we should go there because, you. know, that's where the heart chakra of. of the planet is and you know, maybe we.

can get some healing. And so we went to. Hawaii and then that's when I had posted. that I was pregnant. Thinking like I'm. getting bigger now. I need to post. and yeah, it's it's a it's a secret that. I was carrying inside of me and I wanted. to like scream out loud that I was going. through this but I couldn't. Listening. to you say this though, Catherine, like. so many times. now you've said the minute you find out, you're like, "How can we fix this? How. can we fix this?" And I think it does.

connect to what you've been saying of. like you're on this hamster wheel. You're out of your body. You're all of. this happened to your life and you're. just going and you can't even like stop. to be like, "Are you okay?" Like, do you. It's almost like you It sounds like you. weren't even like feeling like you were. just like, "How do we fix this?" It's. like almost like your business. You're. like, "How do we fix this and move. forward? How do I stay by my man and. move forward?" I'm wondering though when. you're saying all this, like is he. apologetic in the car when he's speaking. or is he keeping it more like brushing.

it under the rug? It's not that big of a. deal. I'm going to be honest with. you. It never felt apologetic. ever. Yeah. And you know what's interesting is. um even through our. divorce, even through. everything, I never heard him say the. words I cheated until about a week ago.

when that first chapter of my book came. out. I've never heard him say the words, "I cheated." And when I heard the words, I was like, "Oh my god, finally I heard. it. Thank you so much. That was all I. was waiting for. Thank you. That's all I. needed to hear. You could have just said. it to me. You could have just been. honest with me and just told me, but it. was like I was being gaslighted like it. like it wasn't actually happening. And. it was. like and.

um yeah, I think that finally hearing. those words was so healing for me. because it's like I wasn't going crazy. Like it was everywhere. Everyone was. saying it. Why do you think he decided. to finally say those words? Just because. you were officially calling him out that. and. because now I understand the bigger the. whole picture. I get it. Um I think a. common theme for him was um because if. you really think about it, what kind of.

woman sleeps with a married man whose. whole identity is based on being a. married man and having a being a family. man, you know? I was I kept thinking I. kept going through those things as well. is like women are really like that like. women and so um what I was thinking was. um he must have been telling this woman. that I didn't care and in that video he. he posted last week. um out of everything he said I mean. everything was false right uh or.

distorted or whatever but but the one. thing he said that really really just. like it was like a like a punch to the. gut was that he said that I was that. yes, I cheated and she was okay with it. as long as um he said as long as I said. you don't embarrass me. And that is not. true. I never ever said that. I would. never say that. And I would never want. my kids to think that that is okay to.

cheat on your husband or your wife. and. I will make sure that I raise them and. that they know that they never ever do. that because that is so wrong and you. never cheat on the person you love and I. would never in a million years say that. So that was really hurtful that. he that he said that because I'm like. are just accept it. People would. understand that better. He's putting the. blame back on you. That's him taking no. accountability. Think about that. The.

first time he acknowledges that he. cheated, the end of his sentence, he. can't just say, "I cheated." Yes, I. cheated because she told me, "Just don't. make me look dumb." Aka, you were. allowing him to go and have all these. relationships and you're sitting here. being like, "I would never, Alex. I would never do that." And I. think now also understanding like how. you write in the book you kind of talk. about like once the first you really got. the concrete. evidence then more came out like how.

many more did you find out about? I. know like I know personally of women. like I like don't know them personally. like as I'm I'm friends with them but I. know who they are and I would never say. their names never never never I would. never you know I'm not that kind of. person but I know of many. um many as in like I know for sure of. three like for sure for sure. Have they. ever reached out to you? No, but they're.

out there in the world acting like that. never happened probably. And I know the. truth. How many do you think there are? I don't know. I I saw some headline. things saying he said there was 20 or. something. I don't know if that's true. or not. I cuz I didn't watch his full. video, but um I don't know if he did say. that. Kind of trying to cover himself. Yeah. Um because I think when he saw um. the beginning the the first chapter of. my book, he thought maybe that I wrote a. lot more about him, but I kind of didn't. in a sense. Like to be honest with you,

it's a memoir about my life. Um but I. will say that when you write a book, you. always put the um the hardest part of. your journey in the beginning of the. book, right? To catch the reader, to. really draw them in. That's just. something that as writers is common. And. so um he really got it backwards. I want to ask you, there were some like. viral cheating rumors that I want to. just like get your opinion on. Mhm. Tana. Mojo recently revealed that she covered.

for Austin after you found lipstick in. Austin's car. What really happened. there? So, she she covered for him, which I believe. that is probably true. definitely. happened because um I remember we had a. Lamborghini at the time. I never drove. that car and I got in one day um as a. passenger and I noticed there was a lip. uh lip liner lip lip liner or lip gloss.

something like that and it wasn't mine. and I thought and I I grab I'm like. who's this? He's like, "Oh, um, so and. so got in my car the other day and you. know, his girlfriend was on the lap and. I drove them down the street to get into. their car." And I just I I'm like, "I. don't believe you." Like, at this point. now, I'm I'm I don't believe you, right? He's like, "I'm going to call him right. now." And so I guess she was there. And. um yeah, I think you know um I think her.

publicly talking about that is hurtful. Why didn't you call me? Message me. Tell. Oh, hey girl. I was there on that phone. call. I just want to let you know, you. know, that wasn't true. It was also. rumored that Austin would hire nannies. so he could sleep with them when you. weren't around. Do you know if this is. true? No, we never had a nanny. Never. had a nanny. Grandma. Okay. Um, did you. ever get confirmation if the infamous. yacht orgy happened? Yes, I actually.

did. Yeah. Wow. And that was when he butt. dialed you that weekend? That was that. weekend? Yeah. How did you get. confirmation? Through a friend who's married to a guy. that was physically there. Wow. Yeah. years later, by the way. Yeah. When it didn't matter anymore, it. just like I was like, "Oh, really? Oh, okay. That's surpris to me, right?". You're like, "Shit, I guess it did. happen." Did Austin really bring his.

mistress to a charity event you guys. threw together at the Staple Center? Yeah. So, there was this girl um the. girl that I I was talking about earlier, the one with the long text. So, that was. her. Since that information came to. light, Austin has completely denied it. Said he would have never brought a girl. there. That never happened. And like. what do you say to that? To me, it's. like why lie about. that? But now I know like you can lie. about a lot of things that aren't true. So I'm like okay well because the thing. is is that I knew that writing this book.

there would be some kind of like. retaliation or some some things that are. said. I knew that you know something. would come from this obviously because. you know I'm wrote a book. Um, I didn't. know what magnitude that I wasn't aware. of. But it's interesting. because I I saw it and I thought. this this is. not me, you know, like this is I'm past. that. Mhm. Like I truly feel like it was.

a test. Truly, it's. like you Austin, you could have handled. that differently. You know, you could. have. said, I saw I saw, see, she has a book. out, you know, and and one of the things. he said is I didn't tell him about the. book. The thing is when you go through a. divorce, you don't really tell someone. what you're doing. You know what I mean? And I had been promoting the book for. actually for 2 years I've been talking. about it. So, he had seen it. Um, I. think if I would have mentioned the book. to him privately, he may have want to.

try to stop me from doing it. So, it was. just something I didn't I was doing me, you know. Um but yeah, I think that. [Music]. um him he he could have handled it. differently. He could have said, you. know, I just saw that Catherine, you my. ex-wife, she has a book out and he could. have said something along the lines of, you know, although I don't totally agree. with what she said, you know, there's I. guess there's always different sides of. the story and I wish her well and I'm. not proud of the things I did, but we've. both moved on and whatever. Yeah, I just.

feel like the staple center moment for. him to try to say that wasn't true. It's. like again Austin trying to reclaim this. narrative because specifically that I. think because there's footage of you and. your family and it was such a core of. who you guys were totally to the world, it makes him just look like an absolute. [ __ ] monster to like you if you're. going to cheat, can't you just go do it.

in private? like you have to put. Catherine and your children through this. and so I think it must be him trying to. reclaim the narrative a little bit and. like litigate like well no I didn't. bring her here but I brought her it. doesn't [ __ ] matter. Well the crazy. thing is it did happen and that's where. I found out all the lies. So like that. moment was a significant moment in my. life. So, of course, I'm going to talk. about it if that was life-changing for. me because I was pregnant when all of. these things were going on. And I got. confirmation from one of his family.

members saying, "I told him not to bring. that girl." And D. And I'm thinking. like, "What? You knew too?" Like, I'm. thinking like, "Oh my gosh." Like, I'm. just being blindsided over here. Like, I. had no idea. like truly like, "Yeah, I've been seeing the rumors and the. narratives, but oh my gosh, like why. can't you tell me like why don't you. talk to me?" Like, was this before or. after the text incident that you That. was uh around the same time. Okay. So, that's when it all started to like come.

out and then to go to this event and. have that woman there and now he's. trying to say no. Okay. Austin recently tried to justify all of. his cheating by saying you guys weren't. having sex. What was your sex life like. at the time? Yeah. So, um sex intimacy. is very very sacred to me. Like more. today than it has ever been.

Um, when I found out that there was. cheating, I checked out and I said, "My. body is a temple, and I refuse to allow. anybody to come near my temple. if he he cannot be honest and truthful. and loyal." And it was like, I'm checked. out. And it is true. And I actually I. wrote it in the book. I I put the same. exact put four years. It was four years. It was actually more like five years if.

you think about it because um five years. of what of not being intimate with him. because um just just to be completely. transparent and honest because I do feel. like a lot of women and men can relate. to this. But um I was going through a. lot of postpartum, you know, your body. changes, you know, breastfeeding and. you're taking care of multiple children. And so um we um we had my daughter and. then we had you know I was pregnant that. whole year and you I was the cheating.

allegations all the things and I thought. you know I don't know and then I got. pregnant with my son and I'm thinking. like maybe we can make this work you. know maybe this is not what it all seems. to be and you know we had just moved. into our new house and we're like you. know maybe maybe we can have a the. family that we're always meant to have. you know the family that were portrayed. to the world. You know, maybe you can. really be that. Mhm. And I got pregnant. and then that was the And then I found. out he was cheating on me and that was.

it. That was a never never ever ever. like never again. Never again. Mhm. And. did. he pursue you at all? Like did he try? No. And that's how I knew that there was. cheating going on. Right. Yeah. And you know, now now I know how that's. not normal. At the time I thought, you. know, we're going through a lot. You. know, there's a lot of bad things.

happening around us. You know, we have. children, you know, and we're overworked. and we're tired and we're stressed and. we we're anxious and all these things. And now I think back I'm like even when. I would like we would kiss it just it. was a disconnection and I thought this. isn't my husband. Like prior to all the cheating. allegations like did you have like a. healthy intimacy life with him? Yeah. Mhm. Yeah. I think that that's what part.

of you know our love and our bond. It's. like we are so deeply connected like in. all ways. and yeah I I'm a I'm a huge part of this. problem though. It's like I take it full. accountability on being in a. relationship with someone and not also. pursuing intimacy. because although I was disgusted and I. didn't want like to be intimate, I. didn't have these very serious.

conversations like, "Hey, maybe we. should go see a therapist. Like maybe we. should do couples therapy. Maybe like. this is a normal going like another year. without being physically intimate. It is. such an important part of a marriage in. a relationship. Was it the cheating that. really broke down your marriage or were. you guys Rocky before you found out and. with the allegations? It was the. cheating. It was nothing else. Could. handle anything. I have to ask, Austin.

said you weren't having sex because you. believed you were the Virgin Mary. reincarnated. What is your response to. that? Yeah. Um it's really hurtful. because it's just such a strange thing. to say. Um for years in my spiritual. journey, um I would, you know, everyone. in my circle and everyone knows how. deeply connected I am to Christ and to. Mother Mary. Um more than ever today, I I I feel like. I can connect to her always.

And I think that's just his way to just. throwing jabs, just trying to make me. look crazy, you know, try to paint a. picture of she's crazy. Um, yeah, it's just it's I know it's. kind of sad during all of this. I think. this is something that's very sadly. relatable, but you didn't confide in. anyone, right, for most of the time. How. did you decide not to tell your mom or. anyone? My decision was solely based on.

the fact that I didn't want that to. change people's perception of him. because I thought that it we we could. heal and we can get to a better place. M. I didn't want to say something and then. them like have so much you know. information at the end of the day it's. like it's almost like gossip like you. know gossiping and I believe I truly. believe that gossiping is poison and so. I thought you know this is my marriage. and I'm going to I'm just going to keep. it to myself because I need to figure it. out within myself.

when I decided that I wanted a divorce. that's truly when I told my parents and. my family it's like I want to get a. divorce and they were very supportive of. me. But was it like eating you alive. holding this on by yourself? Yes. And for a while it was, but I felt. at one point I'm like everybody knows, you know? It's like everybody knows. It's it's it was like it started to. become so. obvious. I I do think which I'm. interested to hear your opinion on this.

Like I think there was a point where the. public was almost shifting to being like. so frustrated almost with you because. all of these women are coming forward. with like pretty detailed tangible. stories and you guys are posting like a. United Front, nothing's going on. How do you think not acknowledging all. of it publicly impacted your reputation?

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acknowledging all of it publicly. impacted your. reputation? It deeply impacted my. reputation. I felt like I was like in a. fishbowl and like I couldn't like it's. like all these eyes pressing in on me. and I'm thinking like oh my gosh I don't. know do I do I protect or do I say my. truth and then my whole life changes. You know what I mean? And it's. like I always thought about my kids.

first. Like I need to be a mother to. them. I need to mother them. and their. mother needs to be happy, healthy, laughing, playing. Like, I don't want to. I don't want to like have two separate. homes right now. I don't want to have to. figure out what I'm going to do for a. living now because we've been doing this. for almost 10 years, you know? We've. been doing this for so long. And it was just me trying to. just like navigate that with myself. Like, I didn't want to make these big.

impulsive decisions. publicly. And I think that's totally. fair. I think like I get why people. would start to be like hello. Like do. you know like what are you doing? Like. say something or leave or say I'm. staying with him even though I think. there was moments where I'm like I'm. going to leave tomorrow. Like I'm going. to do this tomorrow and I'm I'm just not. going to look back and I'm just going to. go and I'm going to find a place and you. know it we won't film and people are.

going to wonder what happened to us that. like I had those moments. Yeah. Yeah, I. had those moments. Um, but I think what. was the hardest part about all of it was. that he would never admit to it. And I. thought, well, if you're not admitting. it to me, you're not going to admit it. to the world, right? So, that was the. hardest part, right? It's almost like. you were in this like gaslighted. situation where this person is telling. you it's not happening and even though. in your heart you know it's happening, you also are presenting as United Front. to the world. And it's like, am I going. to say it and then he's going to deny it.

even though the whole world knows it and. I've been and I'm pregnant and I don't. want to leave and I have kids. Like it's. such a complicated situation and I get. with social media people just judge on. the surface. Um, I've done it. You know. what I mean? Another thing too, Alex, is. another big thing that I had in the. forefront of my mind and I look back and. think like, oh my gosh, I shouldn't have. been thinking like that. I felt like if. I like if I broke the family, I'm. thinking like I'm needing to break the. family for this, then I'm going to break. everyone's heart. I'm going to break.

millions and millions of people who. watch us and who see sees us as this. powerful power couple and I'm going to. break everyone's heart because this. isn't real. This isn't true. This isn't. what people think it is anymore. And I. also didn't want people to bash him. because I'm like, as much as he hurt me, as much as I feel like I got stabbed in. the back, like I can handle that, but. like can you handle the scrutiny and the. the all this? It's like and clearly not.

because not my book didn't even come out. yet and he you know. but for a long time that was that was a. huge part of why I didn't want to speak. up because I don't want the father of my. children to to get this like public. humiliation but then over the years I. thought well he already got. it you know um I need to do what's best. for me I can't keep living in a lie I. can't I can't not address the big. elephant in the room. I also will just. say, and I'm sure so many people. watching right now are feeling this,

like I have so much respect for. you, even trying to protect him because. I think a lot of people understandably. would be like, "Fuck you. [ __ ] you." and. the fact that you. again chose to put your family first and. not yourself first and you really looked. at the big picture like I think a lot of. women and especially mothers will be. able to be like I think I would do the. same thing. Um you talk about a breaking.

point cuz I think at some point we're. all like the cheating and when did you. know this marriage was completely over. and how did you go about telling him? There was a conversation that we had. right before he had this big uh boxing. uh match. He was. um the uh it was like it was like. Arvette and then he was like the main. person on the card and the night before. I felt I felt like something was about. to happen. I don't know. It was like. this like intuition feeling like in my.

gut I'm like I don't know something. feels really strange about tomorrow. and. the fight was going to be the next. day. And I we were in the living room. and you know the lights were down, the. kids were sleeping and I said, "I'm not. happy." And he's like, "Why are you why. are you talking about this now? Why why. are you doing this now? I have a fight. tomorrow. Like, can't you just be a. little bit more sympathetic to, you. know, and I was like, but I I had to say. it right now. I just I'm really not. happy. Like, I genuinely don't feel. good, Austin. Like, I don't feel.

something doesn't feel right.". and oh, you know, we can have we could. have had this conversation after and. this and that. And then the next. day, he got really sick right before his. fight. He had 103 fever. He was really. sick. It It didn't It felt like a. message. It didn't feel like he just. randomly got sick. No one else got sick. but Austin. And um I walked into they. were staying at an Airbnb. It was like. the whole team, you know, the uh. everybody for the fight. And they were.

getting ready to um get in the sprinter. uh sprinter van or the bus. And I came. in, had hair, makeup done, and I'm like, "Hey, what's going on?" He's like, "Come. into the room." He's like, "Feel my. forehead." And I'm like, "Oh my gosh.". Like you're He's like, "I I'm I have 103. fever. Just came a couple hours ago. I. don't know." And I'm like, "Well, what. are you going to do?" I was like, "You. can't fight." He's like, "No, I I have. to like I can't not." And mind you, we. just had this conversation about. yesterday, like this gut feeling, like. something doesn't feel right. And like I.

feel. like what happened that night in the. fight was very, um, it was like a mirror. of what's going on in our internal life. Can you explain just if people didn't. see the fight? Yeah. So, basically, um, he got really sick. Mhm. I went out into. the floor, you know, we're all watching. them on the ring and he got the first. time he got knocked down. I I thought, "Oh my god, this is the first time I've. ever seen my husband. crumble." And my heart stopped and I. wanted to scream and cry and yell and.

just I hated I hated that moment. And. then there was a voice and then he got. knocked down. It was a second one and. then a third and then a fourth and then. a fifth. and he just kept standing up. and I kept thinking, "Oh my gosh, this. is who he is. He always stands up when. he falls." And there I heard this voice. and it was like, "It's okay. He's having. an ego death. He has to go through this. Hold space for him. Everything's going. to be okay." And we left the ring. We. got in the.

ambulance. He was completely. disoriented. He just kept saying the. words, "I need water." And I was like. yelling at the paramedics, "Please get. him water. He just He's thirsty. he's. thirsty. He needs water. And they were. like, "No, it's against protocol. We. can't give him water. We have to wait to. get him into the hospital and check in. and this and that." And so, um, that happened. And then the next. day, he was feeling better. Had I I. grabbed his hand and I posted a picture. of us holding hands. And I was so ready. to let go the day before. And I was like.

telling the world, I'm still here for. him. And it was like this moment of. like yes we are not. romantically together in that way but I. still respect him as a father and my. children and no matter what I will. always stand by his side and it was like. that kind of energy. So then it was. almost like I was okay being in the. relationship as a as a family, as like. I'm here, we're a team, but it was like.

we were not a team. You were still lying. to me. When did you tell him you wanted to. divorce? So, uh, we had talked about it a couple. times. I never said the words, "I want a. divorce." I never said that those words. ever out loud. Um, we had the last the last. conversation we had had on separating, we actually talked about um him, you. know, getting another home and I was. getting another home because we were.

actually planning on leaving the rental. we were at and you know when you have. like really deep conversations about. making plans and then they just don't. fall through. So, it's kind of like that. kind of thing and um and then the stress. of like life and all the things that it. brings, you know. So that wasn't like. um we weren't like like we weren't. trying to get that done quickly, you. know, because usually when it comes to. an end, you want to make you want to get. it done, right? But we hadn't reached. that moment of like it's an urgency. We.

need to do it right now. When I had that. realization that it has to happen right. now, I have to stop waiting for the. right time because there's never going. to be a right time. The moment is now. And I had that realization when um it. was on my 33rd birthday. So this is. really interesting. My whole life, like. ever since I was a kid, I always said 33. is going to be the biggest year of my. life. And I would say that just like. jokingly in my mind and I thought 33 is. going to be the biggest year of my life.

And then I turned 33 and um I was. talking to my dad and I was like, "Hey, I really want to go to this retreat in. Brazil." And um he was like, "I want to. go with you." And I was like, "Perfect. like me, you and Ryan will go to this. retreat, you know, and I booked my. flight on my birthday. And in that moment, you know, Austin and. I, it was it was done. We we just didn't. make the we didn't put the wheels in. motion to officially divorce and.

separate, but it was there and it was. You knew you were separated? It we were. separated for sure because it was so. obvious. It was like it was in the air. It was like it we hardly saw each other. We stopped filming. So there was no like. big moment that you were both like, "We're done. Let's go our separate. ways." Well, there was because I went on. the retreat and then when I came. back, I had this massive expansive. experience. and I got back, I landed to back into. LA. He picked me up. I got in the car.

and he looked over. He said, "Oh, how. was it?" And I was like, "Good." good. And in my head, I'm thinking. like like he he he doesn't understand. what I what where I just went, what I. just did, how like he doesn't. understand. And I thought, that's okay. We just we're different places. vibrationally now. And I was. like, if I'm going to say it, I'm going. to say it right now. I got in the car, I. closed the door. How was it? We're. driving out, literally driving out of.

the airport, and I said, "I Austin, I. need to talk to you." Like, "Hey, yeah, what's up?" I was. like, "It's not a secret that our. relationship is done and we're both. unhappy. You know, I've been unhappy for. a long time. I know you've been unhappy. for a long time and I want a. divorce." And he's driving, "Okay." He's like, "Okay." I was like, "Oh my gosh." All right. Well, I was. like, "Oh my gosh, I'm so happy." I was.

like, "Um I was like, I you know, I'm on your. team and I love you and I want to do. this right and you know, it doesn't have. to get ugly. I I pray I don't want it to. get ugly." And um and I said, um and and. I said these words. I said, "Let's. discuss an exit plan together as a. team." Like, "Let's do it together." He. goes, "Yeah, yeah, we could talk about. it, you know." And and I was like, um, he goes, "It's funny because, um, my. realtor the other day sent me a house, uh, that's for rent down the street from. from where we're living now." And I I.

thought, "Oh, okay, cool." He's like, "Yeah, it's interesting how life works.". And I was like, "Yeah." I was like, "Have you seen the house?" He's like, "Oh, I'm going to see it next week." And. I'm like, "Okay, cool." And then it was. just kind of like, "Okay, like we're. going to do this." Why did you guys. never make a video to kind of like talk. about your separation? Cuz that was kind. of like your guys thing. Well, I didn't. want to make a video because if he. wasn't telling me the truth without the. cameras rolling, he's for sure not going. to tell the truth with the cameras. rolling. So, I thought, well, I'm not.

going to do a video with you side by. side. If you can't say I cheated on my. wife and you know, it led us to this. path where both we both have made. mistakes. I would share my mistakes, you. know, like I didn't have good. communication, you know, I, you know, I. wasn't there for him maybe when he. needed me emotionally, you know, and all. of these things. And I thought he can't. be honest, so I'm not doing the video. And then he came out and said that you. didn't want him to make his own video. explaining the breakup from his point of.

view. And I guess that kind of answers. it cuz you're like, you're not going to. tell the [ __ ] truth. He didn't tell. the truth. He said, "There's things that. I regret, but it's like that could be. anything, right?" And then not to. mention, um, so this is the thing about. that, and I'm just going to be. completely bluntly honest because at. this point, just my throat chakra is. open and I'm just going to be me. Let's. go. Um, when we discussed the divorce, I. said, "I'd really like to do uh a joint. like um statement." Like, you know, a.

lot of people sometimes they do. statements. It's just easier, you know, and and um he's like, "Oh, no, no. I. want to make a video." And I said, "Well, I don't want to be in your video, so I don't I'm not going to I'm going to. do I'm not going to do that. I'm going. to make a statement." He goes, "Oh, well, give me a chance to make a video. and I'll show it to you, and then you. could tell me if you like it, and if you. like it, then I'll post it." And I. thought, "I'm going to give him the. benefit of the doubt. I'm actually. curious to see what's in that video, right?" I was really curious. So, I'm. like, "Make the video." So, it took a. month for him to actually make it. Okay. And I'm like, "Okay, here we go. I get. to see it. Oh my gosh." Like, I'm so.

curious what he said. And I was in the. room in the in the uh office room and I. was watching it and just blunt like. honest honest to God was watching the. video and I. thought this is like social suicide. Like I genuinely feel like this is going. to make him look so bad and I love. Austin no matter what and I care about. him truly. So I'm thinking if he. couldn't at least say the truth because. people like people love truth. People. love when people are honest and.

vulnerable and he he wasn't doing that. It was like he was going around the. truth. And I and I looked at him. I. said, "I don't like the video." I was. like, "If you post that, go ahead. If. you post that, it doesn't look I'm I'm. just going to be honest." Because at. that point, it's like, I want to help. you, too. I want you to move on in your. life, too. I don't want you to be to. have this energy around you, right? But. people are going to call you out and be. like, "You're a li you're lying. Like, this is a big fat lie." Like we know. you're skirting around the actual thing.

Yeah. So then I said I don't like it. So. he recorded me saying that. Why do you. think he recorded you? I mean I'm just. finding this out by the way. I just You. didn't know he was filming? No. I think. it was because he thought. Well, I'm I This is what I think. I. think he was never planning on posting. the video. I think he made. it. So and and and again I don't know, right? This is just my speculation. Um, I think he made it knowing he wasn't. going to post it, but made it so that.

because he knew I wouldn't like it cuz. he knows me. He He knows me. He's been. living with me. He's married to me for. years. I'm mother of his children, right? And I think he recorded me almost. purposely to get those words out of me. so that maybe later in the future if he. never needed it. Wow. And he Yeah. He I. mean got it in in 24 hours. He had it. there in his phone. It was almost like. ready to go. And when I saw that, I. thought, "Oh my gosh, can other people. see this or am I the only one who sees.

like that's crazy that he's like. secretly recording. manipulative. It's manipulative and it's. illegal." Well, that's what I was told, too. And I thought, well, I don't want. to go that route because I mean, we were. filming each other and doing pranks and. things throughout the day. And then he. would say, well, we used to film each. other. And then the fans would say, well, you guys were always filming each. other. And I thought, "Oh my gosh, can I. my book just come out?" I'm like, "I. just want to move on." Truly, one of the.

biggest conversations online right now. is around your IASA use. When did you. start taking it? In that really dark. period of my life, uh, my marriage was. going downhill. I lost my house. My. business partners scam me. Um, many, many things were happening in our. internal lives. Our family or friends, all the things. I just had a baby. I was. really in a really dark place. And uh my. brother had been doing this this very. sacred medicine work for many years. and he would tell me all the time, you. know, Katherine, one day like when.

you're ready, I'll be here for you. And. and it's a solo journey and all it took. was one night of ceremony and I had a. full condalini awakening. I remembered. everything. It completely changed my. life. So it's a very powerful tool. I. think a lot of the conversation online. because of what Austin kind of said on. his Snapchat rant is about your kids and. wanting to know, have your kids ever. been in the home while you're hosting at. home ceremonies? No, absolutely not.

That was a lie. I think that um because. he knows how sacred and how um such how. how how much has impacted my life. I. think that that was the one that jab. that like I know that means a lot to her. so I'm going to say this you know and. and. um maybe a couple years ago it would. have been more hurtful. Now it's more. like oh you know just but um but no it's. that's not true. I think that people. will throw stones at things they don't. understand and I think that's what. happened with Austin. Has anyone ever.

expressed concern to you over using. Iawaska? No. No. Never. Have you and. Austin ever done it together? No. Okay. Can you please explain Austin's. allegation that you. quote turned him into a mermaid? Oh my. god, I love this one. I literally can't. believe that just came out of my mouth. I'm like, is that a thing? Okay, tell. me. So, a couple of years ago, we were. always making content. Like, Austin has. dressed up so many times as a older.

woman, as a like just funny skits and. stuff. So, there was um I when I started. my skincare line um I wanted to do a fun. mermaid photo shoot and I thought like, "Oh my god, this is so cool because I'm. I'm making um I'm making a sunscreen and. took me a couple of years to get here. and I want to do something really fun. and exciting and um so we went to Hawaii. and there was this girl that I reached. out to that wears uh like she wears like. fins and she's like, "Oh, I have so many. like we'll we'll do the campaign around. the the mermaid idea." And I thought. that was so cool. So, I think that's.

what he's talking about. But you don't. think you're a mermaid? No. I mean, I. think that I'm connected to the the. mystics and the the, you know, just. these these different star seed systems. and I I'm just very connected. And I. think that that, you know, I I like to. live authentically and I like to share. like my journey, you know, and I'm just. I'm very connected to these things. But. I think when he people were just making. fun of it and he thought, "Oh, I'm going. to use this and just extra paint her. look crazy." You know, and it's.

like I think for me it's just funny now, you know? I think maybe maybe a couple. years ago I would have been like, "Oh my. gosh, that's I hate that he said that, but I don't care." There has been a lot. of speculation online about an overlap. between your marriage with Austin and. your relationship with your new partner, Igor. What was the timeline there? So, um, I met him on my Brazil retreat. Met. in the middle of the Amazon. You know, I'm very honest just with my journey. Like, I think for a long time I was.

afraid of sharing timelines because I. was so in the limelight and on the. camera all the time and it's like the. timeline started to kind of scare me a. little. Now, I own them. It's okay. like it was over between us. and it had been many years of us just. not having this emotional. intimate marriage that I thought we were. going to have. And I'm going to be. honest with you.

Um, right before I went on that trip, like the months leading up to that trip, I kept thinking, I have so much baggage. when I when we divorce, cuz I felt it. coming. When we officially divorce, nobody's going to want me. I have three. kids. Like, I'm like, I'm, you know, in. this space and people are going to just. see me as, you know, ace family mom, you. know, or whatever. And I thought, you. know, who's going to who's going to take. me seriously? And and I don't want to. date. Oh, I don't I'm I'm not a dating.

type of person, you know, and I thought, you know, I'm just going to be alone. forever. And I thought, you know, I'm. okay. It's okay. Like, I don't need. anyone. I'm I feel complete and whole in. myself. And I remember saying that to. myself. And. um in that retreat, you know, I it was a. four it was um I was there for 10 days. and it was four days of um of the the. practice. And um on the third day, I. just I'm like, "Oh my gosh." like I. don't I don't have as much baggage as I.

thought I did. I think it was all in my. head. I really started to sit with. myself. And yeah, uh I met him at that. in that experience. It was a friendship. It was like never imagined that anything. would ever go further ever in a million. years. Like if you would have told me. like a year ago, two or a couple years. ago that I was going to meet someone, I. thought me me meeting someone who what. does he look like? What does he do? Like. what where what how do he speak? Right?

And um I've never felt so safe in my. entire. life. And I feel like I earned it because I. spent so many years just being there and. just. like. just feeling empty and just and I but I. really had to pour into myself. I really. had to do that. How do Austin and Eigor.

feel about each other? I can't speak for. Austin because I don't know. I. think I think like what he's done. publicly to kind of just. um like he he got him a shirt on uh on. Christmas that says something about um. stepfather or something and I. thought okay is he doing this for the. for the Snapchat or is he doing this. because he actually thinks he's.

stepfather worthy you know. Have you met. Austin's new Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I met. her. Yeah. I met her about a year ago, I. think. Yeah. How do you feel about that? I like her. I think honestly um I feel. like my kids are the best like they're. the best judged, you know, when they. they'll come and give me information. Oh, I don't even ask. Oh, we just did. this with Alexa today. I'm like, oh my. gosh. Like like did you guys have fun? And like just kind of seeing their like. interactions and how they talk about her. or anybody for that matter, just anyone.

Um I get good vibes, you know. And I. think like at the end of the day, it's. like people meet each other where. they're at. So that's them. That's that. that is their journey. And I I don't. judge. I don't have any judgment towards. that. Okay. Last question. if you could. just kind of give like a. final statement to the Ace family who's. watching and who's been on this journey.

since your first place where you lived. with Austin and when you were pregnant. and all the things and they've been here. for so long and they felt maybe like. we've lost them and things have changed. and everything which changes good like. what do you want to leave a lasting. message with them today. I would. say forgiveness is key. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on.

and talking about this cuz I. know there's so much behind all this and. that's why I'm happy I got to sit down. with you today. And like I had said. earlier, like I'm sure at some point. I've watched and judged and been like. what's going on? And it's like so nice. to hear you sitting here and like. talking through why you made the. decisions you made as a mother and a. woman and someone who really wanted to. stand by her husband and you explaining. things is so relatable, Catherine. Like.

so much of what you said today I think. women are going to relate to and they. shouldn't feel shame over staying. They. shouldn't feel shame over whether they. got cheated on then they stayed or they. cheated and they left. Everyone's. journey is their journey, but I think. when you've you've talked so beautifully. about you did what you could do at the. time and it was your best and now you're. also at a place in your life where you. never thought you would be. You just. said, "I never thought I'd find another. person. I thought I'd be alone. I. thought I had all this baggage and turns.

out there's another chapter and then. there will be another chapter and. another chapter." So, I'm just so happy. that you trusted me with your story and. I'm really excited for everyone to read. your book. Thank you. Thank you for. coming on.