Camila Cabello: Break Up Sex (Full Episode)

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. Camila Cabello, welcome to CALL HER. DADDY. I'M SO EXCITED. so happy you're here, too. Anyone in the. Daddy Gang that is listening to this and. not watching. The Daddy Gang. Gang. Do you want to say hi? Oh my god, yes. Hello, Daddy Gang. I. love the community aspect of it.

Would you consider your sister Daddy. Gang? Oh, 100%. that makes me feel cozy. Daddy Gang, for sure. I love how can I. say your mom walked in here and she was. like, "Don't worry, I'm not going to be. listening." Because she. cuz I could I could just intuit like I. could read your energy that you were. like Oh, her mom is here. Like. And what do I have in here that's. sexual? I'm like, "Just close your ears. and pretend this isn't happening.". Um, to anyone that's listening, Camila. walked in here and she has platinum. blonde hair. How did you decide to do.

this? You know, I felt like I just I. needed a big physical change, cuz I feel. like I don't know, my dark hair has been. with me for all of my life. I feel like. it was just like. a big part of how the public saw me, the. world saw me, how I saw myself, and I. feel like it's just been a year of like. uh the theme has very much been like. play and and transformation and changing. and being brave, but I feel like also. the the music is so different, like the. world is so different that.

I don't know, for so many reasons I was. like, I feel like a physical change. needs to like accompany that. And then I. tried on a few different wigs. I was going to ask, cuz I was talking to. someone like, "Would I ever change my. hair color?" I'm like, "Oh my god, I. don't know if I would, but I would do. wigs before you just go for it.". think you need to do wigs, cuz it's such. a big change. But I do feel like. everybody should do it. I mean, not. everybody should do it, but it's like a. fun like I don't know, it brings out a. different part of your personality. It's. it's I don't know, it's kind of like a. yolo like I don't know just like [ __ ]. it. Is it okay if I Should I take Should I.

take a sip? Cheers. Cheers. We're drinking wine. Okay, I need a I. need a little bit of wine cuz we were. talking about I I don't really do stuff. like this. So, I definitely was like a little. nervous, but I'm also I'm really excited. for like my fans. I feel like they like. haven't seen me be a person in a while. Okay, cheers. I need. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. I'm going to look over and Camila's. going to be chugging the entire thing. like "No, what? Wait, slow down. No.". Yeah, it's 1:00 p.m.

It's Yes, for context it's 1:00 in the. afternoon and the sun is out and we're. drinking wine. But honestly, I haven't I haven't drank. in a second. I've been working so much. I really I'm like I feel like I kind of. deserve You have had a really busy. schedule, too. You told me yesterday. I. was doing meetings with foils in my head. like What are we doing? We deserve this. In our hectic, fast-paced lives, we. could use some slowing down. Häagen-Dazs. is made to be savored and enjoyed. slowly. Introducing new Häagen-Dazs.

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I I actually wouldn't even say protect. myself. I think I just I needed to just. be a human being. I needed to be a. person. I needed to kind of step away. from being a public persona and just. work on myself from the inside out as. opposed to like the outside in. I mean, I've been in the public eye since I was. 15 years old. So, I feel like so much of. especially the first maybe seven or. eight years, I was like kind of figuring. myself out at the same time as like.

trying to process. and take in what other people thought. Even if I'm not necessarily reading it. directly, you just kind of. subconsciously are trying to figure out. what to do with all of that. So, I don't know. I think I needed some time. and some space to be like. who am I? What's important to me? What. are not only what are my my values in. that sense, but also like what are my. hobbies? What do I like to do? What's my. taste in art? What kind of people do I. like hanging out with? What kind of.

people do I not like hanging out with? And I feel like that's kind of the the. journey I've I've been on for the past. few years and it's been really like it's. been really nice and and. and healthy for me. I feel like I really. kind of. needed to do that. Yeah. talk about you growing up for a second. Okay, girl, you're like [ __ ] Cheers. Cheers again. My god, to exploring childhood. We're going to go through all the eras. Yeah, the or the origin myth. Okay, born in Cuba. Yeah. You moved to Miami when you're.

like seven. Yeah, it's so funny cuz I. always say six or seven. My mom is like, you have to like pick an age. Right, like which was it? Yeah, I'm. like, I moved when I was six or seven. and when I was six or seven and it's. like I always say that. So six or seven, Camila moves to Miami. Can you tell me like how did your. parents explain to you that you were. moving? My mom told me we were going to. Disney World. As immigrant parents do, they lie to protect us. I love my mom so. much. She's not watching so I don't have. to worry about hurting her feelings um.

on that one. Hi mom. Hey mom. But yeah, she said she told me we were going to. Disney World and I was really excited. until maybe a couple months passed and I. was like, wait a second. I'm still here and there's no Disney. World. And yeah, it's funny like I. I. really empathize with that. you know, that that age, that version of. me because I can imagine that it's. probably informed some parts of my. personality in the sense that like.

one day I had like all my cousins and. all my family around and the next day. not to like whatever like a pity sob. story or whatever, but. you know, one day they were there and. then the next the next day I was kind of. like, oh, where is everybody? I actually had this. song that I wrote that didn't end up. making it into the album, but um. like so many empty chairs for like. Christmas Christmas dinner or whatever. It was like some. like lyric like that, but I think that's. such a like visceral image that I can. remember. It's like a lot of noise and.

then it was like just me and my mom. Why did you guys move? I think it was just the situation in in. Cuba was getting more and more um. difficult like lack of. um there was just like such a ceiling. like as far as like you know my mom was. an architect and even if you had a good. job there was just like such there was. like not a lot of um resources like even. like food medicine education like. I don't think a lot of people know like. the situation there is like really um.

it's pretty it's pretty tough especially. right now like there's like there's not. a lot of food I have family members that. have come even like a month ago um. they're still coming and you know they. see like the. food that we have like in you know in. the pantry and they're like we're just. like not used to this and and I think. that's like what's amazing too about. Miami and the community there is like. I think because everybody has those. common. uh like start from nothing thing like it.

really is like hey like if you don't. have a job like I've got this uncle I've. got this cousin like you come work for. me you don't know how to do this well. it's fine I'll teach you whatever and. everybody's just kind of like helping. each other. helping each other and also just like. helping each other improvise and we're. constantly like trying to like bring our. our our family over so yeah. when you were saying the like six or. seven age I think at that time. six or seven one word I came when I was. six or seven when you were six or seven. I'm thinking about you moving to having.

to go to a new school moving to a new. country probably not completely speaking. English oh no not at all. how did you even speaking how did you. make friends like what was school like. Um I really made friends it's it's crazy. to think about like. in hindsight I made my best friends. through music always I was always like. you know my first friend that I made her. name was Giselle and we lived in uh like. an apartment complex she lived in the.

same complex as me. and we bonded over like The Cheetah. Girls. I wanted to be them so bad and I loved. like, you know, Cinderella, like that. It's actually crazy how much I I'm. realizing. a lot of these things came to be in my. life. manifested this [ __ ] back then. I really manifested this [ __ ] out of. like my [ __ ] life. Then you were. Cinderella. Yeah, I know. And I was in a. girl group. But um anyway, so like we. would, you know, like I would bring uh. the CD or whatever and we would like.

just dance to it and pretend like we. were in a girl group and then like you. know, when I was in elementary school, it was like we would pretend to be on. American Idol. [ __ ] I manifested that. [ __ ] too, I guess, I'm realizing. And. then we were like I made a uh like mini. girl group with my friends and we were. called Lion Girls, Queens of the Jungle, because I loved the Cheetah Girls. Um. that's not like that's not a a like. musician flex, but. It's a huge flex. You're like, "That's a. really good name.". Yeah. What did you sound like back then? And I remember like this one friend that. I had um like my best friend, we would.

like I remember during the summers we. would like. we would be on the phone and we would. like just be singing on the phone like, "Oh my god, I did like this that riff. sounds so good." Like everything was. honestly really tied to music. So you. knew from a young age that you like. loved performing. I loved I wouldn't even say performing. cuz I was really really shy. It was like. almost. it was like really reserved for my. friends and I remember my friends even. say now, they're like, "Remember when we. used to be like sing, sing?" Cuz I don't.

know if that was a thing for when it was. your age, but I feel like anybody who. was like. had like a good voice in school. Yes. Yes. like It was kind of like. sing. And at the time it was like it was in. such a like good faith that people were. trying to put me on. The person that is. going to have to sing feels like, "Fuck. all of you. I don't want to sing." So if. I was to ask any of the kids that went. to your school that weren't your. friends, like, "Okay, Camila at 15 years.

old is going to become a huge pop star, famous. What do you think they would. have said? people that were like, I didn't even. know that like she sang. Stop. Cuz I was just I was I I went. through different phases. Like I think. there was with some people that I was. really funny and class clowny and. whatever. And then for most people I was. really I was like really shy. Shy. Okay, let's talk about X Factor. So, I'm reading online and I'm like, wait, is this true? I'm like, you said. that you went on X Factor first to just.

meet One Direction. This is This is. true. I mean Tell me the plan. Like what. was the plan going in there? I mean, honestly, I was a a huge uh I don't know. if if I'm I'm curious if you were too, but I was like, you know, like I was. like such a big pop culture fan like. Yes. Yes. since I was young and my. friends and I really bonded over that. Like we didn't love [ __ ] One. Direction. We loved One Direction. One Direction. loved One Direction. to [ __ ] One Direction. Yeah, 100 I mean, at that at that age we. just wanted I wanted to just kiss them. any like just anything. Um but yeah,

even if. at an early age I wasn't like, I want to. be a singer because I think it would. just wasn't even a thing that I thought. of. Like it was like, [ __ ] how? Like. Right. Right. You know, like how will. this be a career? Like I don't have. anybody that knows anybody. I'm like in. Miami, like nobody [ __ ] the most that. we had was I don't know if you remember. like when that like person would come on. the radio and be like, "Auditions for. Nickelodeon. Do you want to be the next. Selena Gomez, Justin Bieber?" And all my.

friends I'd BE LIKE, "YES!". AND IT'S LIKE THERE'S NO WAY, [ __ ]. LIKE everyone sit down. Just so you. know, I was one of those girls too. being, "Yes!" Did you audition? No, I. couldn't sing. and I auditioned and they were like, "You are amazing. You're only going to. have to pay $15,000. to go to this acting school." And my mom. was like. Yeah. Yeah. Scam. But that was like in hindsight, it was. always the center of my life was music. and singing and writing and whatever. It.

was always like my obsession and I think. like One Direction or pop culture was. like an extension of that in a different. way, in a more probably hormonal crushy. way. Um but yeah, but I really was like. I need to audition to X Factor and I. need to do whatever it takes to make it. to at least the point. where I meet Harry. Really. all of them but like Harry but really. Harry. So. Yeah. Poor poor everyone else. It was. always Harry. Then like Zayn really. popped off and like I met him in person,

great guy. Like I was like, oh okay like. No and and Niall is so lovely too. He's. like amazing but it's just. Harry. Harry. I just I was like I really really. He was an inspiring muse for me at at. 15. When you talk about a guy when. you're younger that you were obsessed. with like It's a sickness. It brings you back. Like I kind of had. that with Justin Bieber where you're. like. Oh, I was also obsessed with Justin. Justin and I'm like, I want to be the. one less lonely girl. Like shut up Alex.

how delusional you are at that age. Like. No, you believe that you're meant to. fall in love that they don't know that. you are the girl for them. Like they. don't know it but once they do, there. will be no stopping that train. It's. crazy how delusional you are at that. age. do this like I remember I'd be at. concerts and I'm like, if if he just. locks eyes with. me too. Me too. I'd be like I would I would I. remember like going to the concert and. being like, I have to look incredible. Cuz for some reason I thought me at 15.

years old with like my like insanely. terrible like side bang and like you. know, like that he would lock eye and. then he would know for some reason. It's. crazy. I still have some of that. delusion left in me now. I think it's good delusion though, right? It's fun. It keeps you It keeps It keeps. things spicy. It does. On your toes, you know? 100%. I just like wanting things you. can't have. No, delusion is a necessary ingredient I. think, to like my my happiness, but I. definitely had way more at 15. I. definitely was like, "Once once he sees.

me, he's he's he's dumping Kendall Jenner.". Like, he will know. He won't even know. He won't even know what hit him. When. our eyes lock, it's like game over, baby. Wifey, okay? And then I look pictures of myself at. that age and I'm like, "Oh my god, like. I look like such a baby." Like, It was. never going to happen. Never going to happen. But, you joined Fifth Harmony and. obviously you don't join One Direction, although you probably wanted to. Be like. the one girl in the group. But, I joined the what felt to me like. at that time, like I was like, "Oh my. god!

Yes. This is happening to me now." God, no, that's actually so crazy. Like, you. were becoming like the female version of. the new One Direction. Yeah, I mean, like when I remember when. we were at X Factor and they started. like calling our names up, I was like, "I know this [ __ ] story. I have seen. it. Obviously, there was a lot of drama when you walked. away from the group. Yeah. And now that like time has passed. and you look back at everything, like. how do you feel about how everything. went down? I feel like I'm like can. really.

focus on and remember the really joyful. times. And, you know, I grew a lot in. that group and I I remember waking up. uh on tour and going to my hotel room at. like 7:00 a.m. and going to uh my garage. band and like writing songs cuz I didn't. want to like, you know, do it while. everybody was there and I just like I. had such a passion for that turned into. writing and I at first I was like, "Oh, maybe like I want to write for other. people." But, then it turned into like, "No, actually like I want to sing these. songs by myself." And I started just. like distancing myself from I feel like.

the group vision and it felt like, you. know, they were still like really. passionate and into that and so I just. was like I'm still like not I'm not. happy here anymore. Like, I I it doesn't. feel aligned, you know? also like that's so okay and I think. there's two parts of it. One, people can. look back and be heartbroken that. something breaks up, so understandable, similar to One Direction. it is. Like, oh my god. Yeah, it is. But it's kind of necessary to grow and. It's like any breakup. Like, yeah, it.

sucks. Yes, which we're going to get into. Um. okay. I'm thinking back, you joined this group. at 15, and I'm thinking about like you. were in it for 4 years. That's basically. like a high school experience. Like Oh. my god. Yes, it is. crazy. You're a celebrity at such a. young age. You're touring, you're busy. Did you have time to date? How did you. meet guys? What was the vibe? When I was. 15 to 19, it was like guys that.

you know, mean like not a lot, like a. few. Mhm. A few. And it was very like we saw each. other maybe once or twice a year. I. really started dating and whatever like. probably when I was like 20. Okay. Yeah. So I. Because before that it was just like the. group was like all encompassing. It was. your relationship. everything. That was. my relationship, yeah. I feel like. everyone remembers their first love. I. remember mine. I feel like you can kind. of never be the same after it because it.

teaches you so much and it is you. experience so many firsts with this. person. What comes to your mind when you think. of like My first love. My first love was. I feel like I've had. a few. maybe a couple great loves. Okay. How. about you? I think. I've had a couple as well. I think it's. it's interesting cuz now that I'm. engaged, I look back on it and I like.

that wasn't Well, it's yeah, it's. interesting. It's like it's different. And and I talk about this with Matt all. the time and I'm so happy that we have a. healthy enough relationship to talk. about exes and not be like insecure. about it, which I used to I would have. been insecure in past relationships to. talk about exes, but when I think about. being in love, I definitely can pinpoint. like the first person I was in love with. that I met when I was like. 16, and it was just this like. all-encompassing. yeah, me too. wrecks you. And and and 17 was probably my first.

Yep. like really in love I don't know. It's like there's so many different. connotations to in love though cuz. sometimes it's like who was I happiest. with or who made me the most devastated. And sometimes it's like, "God, what even. is the right definition of in love?" Cuz. there were people that there was, you. know, one person that made me the. happiest, and there was the other person. that made me the most. sick and crazy. Right. And I don't know.

what is the definition of like. what's the most in love, you know? It's. a good point. It's like I feel like when. I look back, I agree with you, all of my. loves are different, but it's also just. so [ __ ] weird because you are so. different. And I think of like what I. was giving maybe in my first love. Like. I was definitely not someone bringing. health and wellness to the relationship. Like. god. It was like fighting and writing letters. and like that it was like that notebook. type of love where it's like so [ __ ].

hard and devastating. You're just like, "Fuck my life." But the when you leave. those type of relationships, I feel like. it leaves the biggest lasting memory for. a while because it was so hard and you. fought so much and it was so. loving but then difficult that like you. can kind of romanticize it once you. leave. Or the people that left you happy. and it if it was more stable, I have. found it was easier to move on from just. because I can like kind of put it in a. corner of my brain and be like, "That. was so great, but I know it wasn't meant.

to be." I don't know if that makes. sense. No, totally totally. I mean, I think. like. there is a part of me that still I it. depends what mood I'm in. Sometimes I. really want peace and happiness and. other times. I still miss and love that chaotic. sickening feeling and I don't know what. that is. I have to explore it further in. therapy. But. there is something like so kind of like. addictive about about that and and you.

know, it's interesting because it's like. you know, it's like the classic like. nervous system quote like whatever. I. mean actually I don't know why I said. classic cuz it's not a classic. Classic. It's pretty relatable. You know that. that quote is like find someone that's. good for your nervous system. A lot of. the times the people that are do make. you feel [ __ ] sick with love are not. good for your nervous system. But it's. addictive. But it feels so good and terrible at the. same time. Because when it's good, it's so [ __ ]. good. it's good, it's like you could cut my. leg off today. I will be.

smiling all teeth. You know, so. it's bad and I think this is what's so. interesting. When it is bad and I think. back to those type of relationships, there's something like that makes you. feel. even more romantic about it because it's. like we're fighting, we're working, we're like. It's just it is kind of convoluted and. there are some relationships that take a. lot of work to then get to be good or. there just a lot of relationships that. just shouldn't [ __ ] work, but we put. so much into them because it is.

addicting. And it really changes I feel. like as you age. Like I feel like when I. was younger, so many relationships were. like my projection of people in my head. And I really romanticized the [ __ ] out. of them and I really took a little thing. that they said and I just ran with that, you know? But now I find that it's like. the people that you meet that are like. really exciting and and how you have. real chemistry with, it's really is rare. and and hard to find.

It is so [ __ ] hard to find. I find. like the first couple hangouts, you will. kind of be able to just gauge like if. it's there because I'm not someone. that's as much of like a slow burn type. of person. a slow burn. And what sucks is that I. hear that that's the healthiest thing. It's like I've heard podcasts or where. people are like if you. kind of like this person and if you're. curious, just go on a second date. And I'm just. the kind of person that's like if I am. not like going to sleep like.

wanting. to have you inside me. Like I. No, I get it. I get. Honestly, that's extreme. Maybe not. that. But if I'm not if I'm not like if. I don't leave the day and I'm like wow. Yes. It's really hard for me to have that. slow burn approach. But I'm trying to be. more like that. I think it's just. I agree. I also just want to validate. you cuz it's not extreme what you just. said. I think when I've left first. dates, you want to like I know it sounds. [ __ ] crazy, but this is a girls girl.

podcast so every girl will get it. You. leave and you can like literally quickly. go through like picturing yourself in. like positions with them and places. Well, not uh well, positions physically. and like places in life and just like. kind of quickly the next year with them. and you're like picturing like the next. date and your sexual chemistry and. It's disgusting. you can kind of envision it and then if. I can't with someone, it's hard to go on. the second date. I know. But a lot of people say like you. should. And you know, and.

[ __ ] us. Yeah, I know. I know. damn it. It's interesting. But so you're saying I. love it. I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What is single Camilla like? Call Her Daddy is brought to you by. Neutrogena. Summer is here and the sun. is shining. You need powerful sun. protection that feels light on your. skin. Meet Neutrogena Ultra Sheer. Sunscreen. This SPF 70 lotion absorbs. fast with a smooth dry finish, so you'll. forget you're even wearing it. It blocks.

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it's just so fun. I love I honestly love. being single. I love it. But I also I've. been in relationships for a lot of my. since I started dating, like since I. started dating when I was 20, I was in. long-term relationships a lot. So, it. feels fun to just like. get to know people and like. talk and like see what happens. Yeah. Those beginning stages are like. Beginning stage also also my weakness, cuz I love a beginning stage. It's so.

fun. It's so good. It's I think why I had. such a hard time getting into serious. relationships for a while because the. thrill and the excitement and the. unknown is so fun, and then once it. becomes like predictable, I used to be. like, "Bye." I feel that. It when you get older again, like you. start to realize there can be a balance. you start to realize there also there. are other things that are important, like you can go deeper, and that's. surprising. And you know, at the end of the day, it's like we're people that are I really. believe like we're never just one.

person. We are constantly changing. Like. Matt Mhm. could be a different person in. 2 years. He He will be a new person. And. so, there's always something new. Yeah, that's a good point. I do feel like I'm like I think also. because I was just in like a heavy like. like, you know, like writing process, writing stage, it's really experiences. I'm just like so hungry for experiences. Like the more experiences the better. the better. Okay, so one experience you. had recently that we all saw online was. you were on a vacation.

with Drake. Oh gosh. Well, you know what? I have to. ask. I can't not ask. Yeah, of course. Of course. Have you. guys ever been a thing? Well, I wouldn't First of all, I. wouldn't say like straight up vacation. Okay, okay, okay. It was vacation plus. plus some work. OH. OH. OH. OH. GOD. Oh wait. The whole internet just broke. So it was. vacation plus some work, but I will say, you know what? Mhm. I love that man. I love him. Mhm.

We all love that man. We all love him, right? The internet. really loved him recently. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what you're talking about. Okay, so have you ever had. Can we confirm or no? Um have I ever had. what? Like a little thing with Drake. beautiful artistic collaboration with. him? Yes. I may or may not have. What is it like going on vacation with. Drake? Okay, first of all, we did not go. on vacation.

Like the two of you. This was like This was like a homey like. friends trip. Okay, okay. So let me tell Let me let me. break this down. Rewind. Rewind. Okay? So. basically, Drake was a big Love him. Love him. Love Love him as an artist for. real. Uh me too. Love him like, right? Yes. He's the best. Yes. Who the goat? Um he. I love him so much and I really listened. to him a lot during my writing process. during my album. And I really felt like. he would like my album. Love. For real.

Confidence. [ __ ] love it. And so I. DM'd him and I was like, "Hey, I really. want to play I was like, you know what? I'm just going to put it out there.". I just. baller. We got to We We got to make [ __ ]. happen. You got to make [ __ ] happen. We got to make [ __ ] happen. So, I DM'd. him and I was like, "I would love to. play you my album. I honestly feel like. you would really love it." Because. you know, because because because I. listen to him a lot and I and I just. feel like we're I really do feel like.

musically in a lot of ways we like the. same things and I feel um Yeah. So, I We hung out. I played him my album. What did he say? He loved it. Okay. As I And I And I thought that he would. and I was like so excited. It was also. such a surreal moment for me to like. play Drake my songs and like Dude. You know, that's another one of those. things that you're just like, "Wow, I. would have never expected It's like. that this would happen.".

It's a dream. Like are you. I remember being there and being like, "Wow, this is like so [ __ ] sick." And. he's so generous and so kind and But. anyway, so I didn't like just go on. vacation with him. It was like a. vacation like work thing, but honestly, I will say. I. love him and I'm and and that has been. such a fun part about this whole. experience. Like this has been the most. It's been a really insular process in. terms of like me taking it back to. basics in terms of like me like really. focusing on like, you know, my craft of.

writing or whatever, but at the same. time literally, I could chug this whole. thing right now of like huge toast to. that and he's amazing and I love him. Let's do a toast to Drake. Toast. to Drake. To Champagne Papi. God bless. Yeah, God. love you. God bless. We We really do love you. I love you. Dude, okay, so you are single. So, what. is the approach to dating? Are you. looking for something serious? Are you. going on dates? Like what is happening? Um as far as looking for something. serious,

I don't know. I have phases. Like maybe. like 2 weeks ago, I'm like, "Oh my god, like I I really just I want to really. have something real with someone. I'm. ready. I'm ready. I'm ready for. something real again." And then. I am like, you know, talking and like meeting someone new and. I'm like, "Oh my god, I love this. This. is so fun. I don't want anything serious. right now." So, really it's like it's different it's. different phases. I really think I'm. like there's so much going on right now. that.

if it was somebody serious, I would. really have to connect with them on a on. a really deep level, which I always hope. it is. I'm a hopeless romantic at heart. Like I love my fun, but I'm a hopeless. romantic for sure. And I literally if I. have like a great kiss with somebody, I'm like, "I would die for you.". Right. Like we're in love. Oh, yeah, 100%. Are you someone that will have a roster? Like what's the situation? Are you good. at handling multiple men at once? I do like a little bit, not too much, but just a little bit of like a.

you know, there's like maybe a few. vibes. Yes. There's a few vibes. Mhm. You know, and I think there's there's a different. level of like for some people roster is. like. the intimacy is like maybe sleeping with. all of them. That's that's too much for. me. It's more kind of like vibes and and. talking, hanging out, whatever. But I. can't be serious at least at this point. with more than one person. I completely agree. I feel like when. you're in the single stage, it's helpful.

to kind of just like. pick around and just kind of like keep a. couple people in the arena just to be. like, "Yeah.". That's where I am. Like what's your. vibe? What's your vibe? Right. And then like once one kind of. drops off, you can pick up a new one. Yeah. But it's fun and I think it's. Yes. And I think it's busy as you are, I. get that. It's like unless the person is. going to be like, "Holy [ __ ] [ __ ]. This is like. Like if you're. like you're [ __ ] talking.". If it's late night till 3:00 a.m. and we. have this insane connection and I'm. like, "Oh, you're like.

it's giving father of my children vibe.". Like I would I would fly anywhere you. like what you come whatever, then I will do that. But if it's like. I I liked him and he was cute and that. was cute. Then it's like I'll see you. when I see you. Wait, have you ever. flown a guy somewhere? Only in like like. relationship vibes. No, I mean I haven't. like flown them. They. fly to. front of the plane? No, yeah, I haven't. piloted them to my hotel room. But I. mean like they have flown to me, but I.

haven't been like Let me just get you. your flight. Yeah, I'm not a Yeah, oh my. god. Yeah, I know. What gives you the. ick? To be honest, one of the things. that would give me the ick is. I don't really want to be like with a. guy. Like I don't want to be like on my. daddy [ __ ] Have a little bit of like. that like masculine energy, kind of take. control. Take control. Especially cuz you're in control all. [ __ ] day with your career. And that's. a big psychological thing.

If Do you feel like that, too? I was. going to say like I want for sure. respect, but if I'm like I am literally. running the ship here. same. If I'm making decisions all day. and I have to be like on my [ __ ] like. whatever daddy [ __ ] unironic daddy boss. girl [ __ ] you better come correct when. it's time and let me just not think. about anything. Like I want you to like. [ __ ] I want to let go and surrender. What is your philosophy around ghosting?

Are we ghosting people? Are we not? I. don't like that. I mean I actually had a. a conversation with my friends the other. day cuz I went on a date with this guy. Okay. One date. How did it go? Not great. Okay. like it. And I went on a date with this. guy and I asked my He was like texting. me and I asked my friends. I was like, "Hey guys, if I don't answer, is this. ghosting?" Do you go out in public with. this person? Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. Okay, and so. But they're not like Right. He wasn't famous. Right. Why did it not go well? He was. just so boring. Like there was no spark.

No, I was like I was thinking about. every other ex. Yeah, like I was just in a car. That's the [ __ ] worst when you're. like or just or just the number one on. the roster. You're like he's like I'm real good. right now. like I'm just thinking about number one. and you're like you're like get out. Just leave. Yeah. But you wait you went. through the whole [ __ ] date. I honestly this is actually crazy. So.

I had my I was hiding my hair. Were you. wearing like a beanie? a black wig and. No, did I was just like my head really. hurts. Camila, you said that you would like a. headache. Did he know you were wearing a. wig? him. Yeah. You're like babe the wig's really. pulling. I got to go. I was like I got to go. What did he say? He was like yeah, of course. Let's go. You're like no, but like hello. Yeah, I.

feel bad. I really hope he doesn't see. this. He won't. There's no way. But the thing is this, sometimes in life. it's it you got to just feel the vibes. And you know what? Let me rephrase this. just just in case. Yeah, just in case. Just in case. It. wasn't that it was boring. I just was. like my just heart wasn't in. Wasn't in it. My heart was. My heart was with someone else. Listen, I think that's fine to say and I. think we especially as women need to get. more comfortable because how many. [ __ ] times are men like nah, she.

ain't hot enough or like nah, she's not. that You just you just didn't vibe with. it. That doesn't mean he's not an. amazing person. I am sensitive about ghosting cuz I feel. like you have to be you have to be kind. to people. And but however, I didn't. text him back because I was like. I don't know I don't know. Honestly if. if and if somebody were to say right. now, hey. And my friend actually she they gave me. good advice. They were like, "Don't text him back. If he keeps. texting you, then say, 'Hey, honestly,

it really wasn't a fit, but it was so. nice to meet you. Wish you well.'" But, he he didn't keep texting, so I was. like, "I'll leave it." But, if things had gone on like further, then. I I'm not a a fan of the ghosting thing. I just feel like it's like, why hurt. people? Just be nice. Don't lead them. on. Let's just, you know. And I also, just to clarify for your own. conscious as we're drinking our wine, that's not ghosting. I don't think he. would, right? He sent you one text, you. didn't respond, and I kind of love a guy.

that's self-aware enough to be like, To. stop. Check it. 100%. And also, it's like it's one date. Like yeah, like we didn't like have. Exactly. I just. 100%. That's crazy. When people do that, if somebody if I was with somebody No. and they ghosted me after we were. intimate or after we whatever, I would. be like, "You're just like that's a very. unkind thing to do, and I wouldn't want. to be with somebody like that anyway.". What is the biggest red flag that you've. ever willingly ignored? So many. I mean,

right? Like. So many. I don't know. You start. Give. me an idea. say like, I think when I look back at. past relationships, something that comes. up for me is like feeling insecure. around him. Uh. Like that. Big. You should never feel like, "Oh my. god, I don't want him to see me in the. morning if I have like a breakout or. like if I do I look good enough for this. date? Or like if I'm on the date, is he. looking at other women?" Like. when you're with the right person, you would never think that way, and I.

think that is something I would ignore. in this one relationship I had where I. was constantly feeling like I wasn't. good enough, and it's like, "Why? Like I. am.". Yeah, I think that's a big red flag is. like how you feel. Like that's just such. a big temperature check in. relationships. Like I've been in. relationships before where I'm like, "If I am. miserable for this long, there is just. something off. And some Every time I've. been like, "It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. Oh my god. Oh my god. It's my. What is it? What am I? Oh my god." blah.

blah blah. But it's like a lot of the. times it's like it's. it's just not right. I agree. It's not. right. It's like if I feel so much. better when I'm not with you, and then. when I'm with you, I feel miserable and. overthinking and anxious every time, then we are just not right. And then I. think you kind of keep going because you. you have this like. hope or some ideal of what the. relationship is. We can work on it. We. can this. We can this. We can that. Yeah. And it's like sometimes it's like.

you have to temperature check. Like. like it's not right. It's not right. Have you ever been. cheated on? I actually. I'm lucky to say I have not been cheated. on. That's amazing. I know. That's. amazing. Maybe I I really don't think. this counts, but I was like 17 and. talking to a guy, but I don't think that. counts. Have you ever had someone go through. your phone? Oof. That's a yes. How did you see them checking it? I had deleted some texts. Right.

And they were like, "Why did you delete this?". text message history Got it. with another person. And I was like, "My phone deletes things.". No. Like. I was like young and You were being a. little shady. I was being a little. shady. And then they caught you. But that's. where it's so [ __ ] cuz you're like, "Who's in the wrong?" And then it's like. the meme of Spider-Man where it's like I. was definitely in the wrong. For sure. I love that. My phone deletes things. Oh. I was terrible.

that's such a bad lie. It's amazing. I. was like, "I've never been to this day I. don't think I've ever been so scared in. my life.". like. I was like. Apple. My phone just like I deletes. messages. Like whole complete message I. don't I don't know. But I honestly I broke up with him. literally 3 days after that. good. That's good. But, you know, [ __ ] happens. Life. happens. It happens. Okay, we're going to play. rapid fire. If you had to trade lives. with any celebrity, who would it be? It's I I I honestly would say no one. Really? I like my life.

Love. What about you? I I don't know why this just came up for. me. I don't know if it's the wine. Yeah, go. But, I was going to say like maybe like. Meryl Streep. Interesting. I think I think I would. it would be amazing to be like one of. the best actresses in the [ __ ] world. I think it's more because I think if I. was had to pick a celebrity, I would. want someone that's like not in the. public eye and like chooses to not. she's never being paparazzi'd. She's. never in the So, Meryl Streep, but okay, we're moving on. No, that's a good one. Okay, okay. Have you ever had to lie to.

your friends about a guy you were. seeing? Yeah. Oh my god. All the time. Like Not all. the time, but like. I love this Tik Tok that I see. It's. like um like your friend is like you. like show them like a terrible text and. it's like, "And what did you respond to. him?" And you're like uh. Like when you My friends are always like. My friends are cold as [ __ ]. Cold-hearted. Those are good friends sometimes though. "Dude, how could you text him back? Don't text him. Don't do that emoji.

Don't" I'm like, "Oh my god, I didn't. know you guys were mean." But, they're. very But, it's good. They're keeping you. in line. Oh my god, yeah, cuz I'm like. the opposite. I'm like I'm a dumbass. I. got it. I got it. I'm I'm an idiot. I was just going with. it. Yeah. What is your biggest. insecurity? Uh. My biggest insecurity like internal, external, whatever? Whatever. This is just this is probably. the wine, too, and I. saw this Jodie Foster like interview. Like I was reading it yesterday.

Congrats on your New York Times article, by the way. Oh my god, thank you. I didn't I didn't read it because I. didn't want to make myself nervous. before the interview. But, I I've I love. the New New and I was like, "Oh my god, that's so cool.". Thank you. saw this one New York Times or New York. or whatever like Jodie Foster interview. and she was like, "For somebody who. values privacy so much, I really want to. be understood." Mhm. And that really. resonated with me. I feel like my. insecurity is like. I don't know, some like childhood thing. of like being like, "I don't care if.

people get me. I don't care if people. whatever. I'm just going to be myself.". But, at the same time. really wanting people to understand me. and. you not dislike me or whatever. So, I don't really know. I think it's like. a general. insecurity of like probably like being. seen and then. not loved or whatever. I think that is. one of the most relatable feelings. Like, I think we all can try to put up a.

front of like, "I don't care about like. the mean comments or the. Totally. I tried to not care, but We. care. time, it's like. Yeah, I really. I want love from people. Right, you know? And you want people to. understand you because like I can tell. you have such a good heart that like. it's a difficult balance of like people. seeing things online and then you're. like, "I can't run to defend myself. every moment." But, it is tough when you. are. being perceived in a way that you're. like, "That's not accurate." That's. infuriating. It is. It is. There's a lot. of surrender. Like, you have to really.

let go. If you're spicing it up with. lingerie, what color are you wearing? Ooh, I think black. Mhm. Morning sex or. night sex? I honestly love morning sex. Mhm. I like both, but there's And my. favorite is actually like I love like an. afternoon vibe. Oh. Because it feels so like European. It feels so like you're like not working. and it It feels like so primal in a way. Like, I don't have to work. Let's just. like Let's just like eat fruit and like.

[ __ ] it. I love you. It's so good. If. you're going home with someone, are you. going back to his or is he coming to. yours? I prefer him coming back to mine, for sure. Biggest turn-off in the. bedroom? I don't like. like. silence and like. like just like no passion. Yes. I need. like Going through the motions. You're. like, "Ugh.". going through the motions. I'm like, "Why are we even doing this?". Right. Why aren't we like making eye. contact? Why aren't we making out? Like, what's going on? saying things to me? Like, let's like,

you know what I mean? Yes, I get it. Yeah, to me I'm like, I I would rather. not have this. Favorite sex position? It. depends on the vibe. and it depends on. the energy of whatever's happening that. moment. Like, it's there's like in love. Mhm. sex and then there's like kind of freaky. Yes. vibes. Yes. I get it. You know? So, I. think different different strokes for. different times. it. Okay. Literally. I got to ask what your opinion is on.

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I got to ask what your opinion is on. getting back with an ex. I'm personally. I think it's known I'm I'm a fan. Um I support it. Supported in the past. Cheers. Cheers. What about you? I think. it's so. it it. I personally think it's helpful. It's helpful because I am not a person I. you can't forbid things from me. Because I will want to do it more. Yes. If I tell myself.

Some of my friends are really good at. that. They're like, "Well, not going to text him because blah blah. blah." I'm not like that. I'm like, "If I want to text him, I'm going to. text him." I agree. I completely agree. Like, I've gotten back with exes. Even. if I know it's not going to work, sometimes you need that closure. that it's not going to work. to be on your terms. And then you need to be over it, and you. need to be like, "I did it, and I've. I know I know.".

I know. And I know. Okay. So, I have to just say. it. Yes, sure. [ __ ] it. Okay. So, it looked it looked to the. world like you and your ex Shawn Mendes. kind of like dabbled with the idea of. getting back together about a year ago. Yeah. What was going on? You know, I think it's like. what we were just talking about. Like. like, "Hmm." Yeah. Yeah. And you know, it's crazy because. I just like I I'm kind of like impulsive. in that way, I would say. Like I feel.

like if I feel it, I say it. And I'm not. really. good at not doing that, like I said, because then the worst place for it to. live in is my mind. And then I'm like, you know, Ryan Gosling in The Notebook. building a house for this person. So, I would rather. say it and, you know, see what happens. and then wake up the next day and find. out that it's been heavily documented. I just like went I opted for that route. But, you know, but it is what it is. It. was a great route. It was a fun time. It.

was a fun moment. And, you know, and I I. will always care about him and love him. He's such a good person. Yeah. Um and I'm lucky, you know, cuz. some people have exes that are awful. And, you know, and he is not he's a kind. of a really kind good person. When you. rekindle somebody with an ex, I've done. it myself, I find, and I don't know if. this is for you, I find the second. breakup is always a little bit easier. than like the first initial. Cuz it's. kind of already been over. Yes. Then you try to rekindle again. How did. you guys make this huge decision to be. like, "Okay,

we're moving on." I think it was just. like. it wasn't even like a a decision. I. think you just kind of are like, "Yeah, this doesn't really it's not a it's it's. not a fit. It doesn't feel right." And I. think luckily, you know, I was in a place in my life. where it took me less time to realize. that. Like it took us both less time. Like to be like, "This doesn't feel. right and we don't really need to like. try so hard to like make it work." Like. it's all good. Like this is not feeling. good. Like. Yeah. "Let's be friends. I love you. I love.

you. It's all good. Let's move on. You go do. your thing. You go do mine. Become the person that, you know, that. you're becoming and I'll root for you. And and that's it, you know." Getting. back with an ex for a moment, it is. sometimes helpful because it makes the. first thing less hurtful because you. kind of relived it for a second. you're. like, "Check. Still not right." We can. kind of now like fade off and be like, "It wasn't It wasn't what we wanted.". And that's okay, you Yeah, and I think.

the worst thing that you can live with. is like a what if or a doubt. What is. your take on the idea of right person, wrong time? Wow, that's a great question. I don't. think that there is such thing. I feel. like if it's the wrong time, it's the. It's It's not right. It doesn't matter. if it's I think right person, wrong time. is still a way of keeping yourself tied. to the person. And it's almost like. right job, wrong time. It's the wrong. job. Yes, so true. You know? So true. Like it's like.

When you say it like that. You know? You're right. There's just no such thing. Like I feel. like. I I really I feel like if. if it's the wrong time and that makes it. a person that's I love like just the. simplicity of like it sounds so clinical. and non-romantic, but like it's just not. a fit. Like when I met Matt, I was like. this isn't the right time. Like I really. wasn't looking for a relationship and I. really didn't want a relationship when I. met Matt. I was like [ __ ]. But I we made it work cuz he was the.

right person. there's no such I feel like there's no. such thing really. I mean, maybe there. is such thing as the I mean, maybe wrong. time could be classified as like long. distance or you're going away or. whatever. But then in that case, it's. it's just it's not right. Right. Right. Like if. Period. If it's right person, you will. find a way to make it work. Yes, you. will. Yeah, 100%. What do you personally think. is the most difficult aspect from past. experience of like going through a. breakup? I think it's like the. like a long-term breakup.

Yeah. I think it's like the It's really just. like the. the like where does the love go vibe. You know? Like you have so much like. care and love for this person and it. just it really does feel. I've. luckily up to this point in my life I. have haven't experienced loss. Yeah. Like real loss, but it feels like loss, but that person is just still. out there and it takes your own.

restraint. reminding yourself why it's not the. right thing Yeah. to like. keep you away from texting that person. or or whatever. And also it's like feels. very out of your control cuz sometimes. it's like I just I wanted it to be this. person so bad. Like I wanted it to be. but it's not and that feels really hard. to let go. Like to be like. I really wanted this to be it, but the. fact that it's not that I can't make. this person who I wanted them to be.

It's tough. It's really tough. Like you really it. really feels like like a you can't. always get what you want kind of thing. I do kind of love how you said that. though. It's so true of like where does. love go when I'm thinking of like what. would my answer have been? I'm like kind. of similar where you're like. how did we love each other so much? Mhm. And now it's not going to work and we. know the reasons it's not working, but. like we loved each other so much. Like. how do we just like float away from each. other and like. that's it? like where does the energy go?

Right. I find like it was so funny after. like there's been breakups where after. I'm like I tell my best friends I'm like. can I just like hold your hand more? And. like be more like touchy with you. because that's like a big love language. for me as you've probably seen it in. videos is like touch, physical touch and. even like the touch starvation after and. you know what I mean? It is really hard. Totally. Like I'm like. can we just hold a hand? It's like. That's when it gets tricky when you go.

through breakup of like do I miss him or. do I miss the things that came with. having someone that I was in love with? And that's really hard to discern of. like I miss my a best friend. I miss. someone that's like going to hold me and. like hold my hand. that. I I think for for for me in the. past. I agree. You know, and that's where you. really have to be like I didn't get what. I wanted. True. I really wanted I really wanted. this person. to be this. I really wanted us to be. this, but. It's not. Yeah, it's not. For all the girls.

listening, I'm curious if you have any. advice. I've been through it. I think. social media makes it so much [ __ ]. worse. How do you handle from past [ __ ]. of like when you know you and your ex. are moving on at different paces, how. the [ __ ]. Oh. I'm like I I be out here [ __ ]. stalking [ __ ] I'm like you it's just. like how do you handle it? I don't even. know if you have advice. Like. I really think it's like I have been an. absolute psycho. Absolute psycho.

you for admitting that cuz aren't we. all? I And And honestly, we were even worse. when I was younger. When I was younger, I would be dating a guy and like. stalking his ex. I'd be like, what is wrong with me? Everyone raise your hand in this room. I. mean, I still honestly, I definitely like It's. been a while since I've been in like a. long-term relationship, but. God, I was like. he's like telling me he loves me, and. meanwhile I'm torturing myself over. somebody like he's not even with. anymore. It's like so crazy. So hard.

The the the the torture I think like my. advice would be I've gotten better at. this is like. I'm a big like mindfulness a kind of. Buddhist practitioner person. Not practitioner person, that sounds so. [ __ ] weird. I know, like what? Um but. I think like self-compassion is really. important. When it when it comes to that. stuff, it's like I could do something. that's going to really hurt me. or I can put the phone down. It's so. [ __ ] hard.

It's really hard, but you almost have to. do it out of kindness for yourself. And. I think like giving ourselves grace, like it is normal. to. want to be interested in that [ __ ]. Like, I think it's it's so annoying when. people are like, "Oh my god, you like. stalk your ex?" It's like. Oh, [ __ ] you. [ __ ] you. It's like, if this person was. in your bed, you used to have sex, you. were intimate, you were in love, like of. course there's moments where you're like. eating a french fry one day and you're. like, "Oh, what is he up to?" It's like. you It's natural. Just like you're.

wondering what [ __ ] kids from middle. school are up to and you go on Facebook. to look Oh my god, also like the people. that don't admit that, I'm like, "Ugh, please like you're not fun to talk to.". Like, where is your like [ __ ] up human. side? Let us see crazy. Breakup sex. Are you a proponent? Has it helped you. in the past? Does it ruin things for. you? Have. So, what does breakup sex mean? Like, you're like, "This is over." Oh. But Yeah. And then you do it one more. time. Yeah, of course. And like, have you. found it makes it more messy or is it.

more like, "Okay." I feel like if you're if you're. wanting to have breakup sex, you're. probably going to hit each other up next. week. Like, there's still. something there, you know? I And And. like I said, I'm sorry, I'm a proponent. Like, I I don't believe in the forbidden. fruit. If you want it, do it. Kind of. like date them till you hate them vibe. I don't actually hate anybody, but I'm. saying. do it until. it's out of your system. And my friends.

really don't agree with this. They're. like, "You're an idiot and we hate you and. don't ask me for advice anymore cuz I'm. sick of you." But it's been helpful for. me. And you know, and and I also think. the I think the hard part is like. sometimes you do waste some time in that. way. Like, you like are still. entertaining something and maybe there. could be somebody out there that's. better. I think the point to close out. the dating chapter is like. Yeah. everybody that's listening, like. don't feel shame if you go back to an.

ex, but protect yourself in those. moments of just knowing like what. there could be an end date. And just. like. just be okay with that. And maybe. there's not an end date. Maybe you guys. are going to stay together forever. I. think it's just like. And know why. Know why. Yeah. you still keep going back. Is it the. sex? Is it the chemistry? Is it the. emotional connection? Is it your self-esteem? Is it whatever? Cuz I think like. one thing that I feel like I'm always. trying to do and I'm not trying to. whatever. I The risk of sounding I'm not.

trying to sound preachy is like. I feel like always doing the inner work. and inner questioning of like why am I. doing Why am I doing this? Why am I. doing this? And if you still want to do it, do it. Totally. But, just know. why you're doing it. doing it. Like what you're getting out. of it. Your new music is on the way, which everyone is freaking out about. And. hear it? I did. So, I was at the hairdresser and. I'm like, "Where do I listen to this?". And I'm holding it up to my ear and I'm. listening also like me. obviously interviewing you. I was like. trying to listen to the lyrics. I'm. like, What is she trying to say? By the way,

which I love. It's so good. Thank you. It's. everything. Cuz it's so [ __ ] raw and. it's so [ __ ] real. And I wanted to. ask you just like what has it meant to. you in the writing process and. everything? Yeah. Well, I think this is like my I. love this quote by this um poet Rainer. Maria Rilke that's like, "Live your. questions.". Right. Oh. Have you ever heard of that? Wait, no. I love that. I read this book um it was actually in. COVID time and it's called Letters to a. Young Poet. And there's this poet that's. asking him like he has so many questions.

and I think he's like probably in his. 20s and uh he's like, "The one advice I. can give you is to live your questions.". And I feel like this was my live my. questions album, live my questions. chapter. And it's like very um. really like sitting in the discomfort of. things and realizing there's not going. to be a neat in a box answer. It's like. I feel strong in these ways, weak in. this ways. And there's no real clear. answer here. But um yeah, like the album.

process has been like such a journey. And you know, it started off with me. really having that intention of going. back to how it started for me, which is. just like, you know, sitting with myself. and you know, really like. getting back to that first like passion. of songwriting and you know, uh. like nerding out over references and. artists and. poetry and whatever and really tapping. into that. Um and then finding um. the collaborators that would really help.

me. I worked with like this amazing. producer named Pablo El Guincho. and he really championed that for me and. whenever I would get kind of nervous or. doubtful about like, you know, should we. bring any other co-writers in the room. or whatever, he'd be like, no, this. sounds like you got this and we got this. and you know, we can do it and he. brought in Jasper Harris and three of us. kind of like made this whole project and. it turned into like I'm excited for you. to hear the whole album because it. really is like kind of almost turned. into like this very um. like solidified.

songwriter voice for me that became kind. of like a persona and a world. Oh wow. Which is the first time I've really done. that with an album where it's like has. its own kind of color palette and mood. and aesthetic and. sonic vibe and you know, it's like very. it became kind of like its own world and. then obviously like, you know, the. people that I that I'm like. huge fan of like so many artists that. kind of came in and you know, it's just. been like so fun and amazing. I'm so.

excited for you because when I just read. some of the lyrics. it feels like we're actually just like. inside your brain like reading your. diary almost in a way and I love how so. much of it felt you're right of like. this back and forth of like where your. brain goes when you're in the middle of. situations and it felt so real and like. when I was reading it I'm like, oh my. god, I've experienced this in my life. before, too." It was very relatable, but. the way that you were able to articulate. it was just fabulous. And I think thank. you.

So many women, specifically, I think are. going to be like, "Um you're speaking. for my experience. Yes, I've lived. this." And it's really cool. It's also really cool because like the. album aesthetically and even like so. many of the themes in terms of it, it's. like, you know, there's a lot of like. lip gloss and nails and whatever. It's. like very hyper femme. Yes. Which is so. fun cuz it's like I feel like I'm really. tapping into the fun of like the. feminine experience and and sensuality. and like even like the things that we do.

like the. you know, like all those like different. the hair. the hair. No, it's so good and I'm so excited. personally to hear the whole thing, but. I'm excited because I think people the. beauty of conversations like this is. like I haven't really seen you like this. online. We're like you really are like. our girlfriends. Like I feel like we're. all friends with you now and I get you. and I. we like you're you just feel like. someone that is very like. relatable. That's why I wanted to do this podcast,

too, because I was like I feel like it's. like very for the girls and I feel like. my album is like very like for the. girls. And also like my so much of it. was like inspi- It's so much of me and. who I am is inspired by my friends. And you know what I mean and like that. dynamic and like, you know, drinking. wine and talking about like whatever the. worst sex you've ever had like that's. like, you know, that's very That's life. That's life. That's the best part of. life. What message do you hope fans take. away from this album when it comes out?

Ooh, that's a great question. I really. think it's live your questions and I. would add to a bonus to that is I think. it's like really. embracing. the playfulness of it like the. playfulness of being alive of being a. girl. And I think that's honestly why so much. of this album has themes like, I don't. know, like. sex or whatever is because. it's playful. And it's. It's playful and it's hot. It's hot. And.

And being hot is fun. Yeah. Like some of the lyrics I was. like, "Oh, Camila." Like let's go. Well, I think it's like just like this. spirit of I think freedom. Mhm. And. And like just like ownership and really. just like owning your [ __ ] life and. I don't know, just like [ __ ] being. being free and being you. I am so. excited for you. The Daddy Gang will. support you the minute this comes out. and. I can't thank you enough for sitting. down. I know that you don't do this.

often and like you're a [ __ ] pro. I. could do this with you all day. too. And I knew that it would happen. like that cuz I really was like I was. listening to your seven I was like, "Oh, this is a girl that like I would be. friends with, you know?" But thank you. for real for making me feel so. comfortable. I love you. So kind and. I love you. And I love this wine and I. love you, too. Thank you so much. You're the best.