Bethenny Frankel: Hustling, Housewives, & Online Hate (Full Episode)

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. Bethenny Frankel, welcome to Call Her. Daddy. Thank you. You look stunning. How. did we pick the outfit? >> Thank you. I I I don't They just arrived. at some point in the last 6 months and I. just park it and my outfits are like Toy. Story. Like they're just waiting to be. played with and so I just this is the. one I picked out today. I thought it was. very you. >> It's perfect. Wait, what are you doing.

in LA? Um what was I doing yesterday? Oh, I was. doing a commercial for Synergy Kombucha. with Flavor Flav yesterday. Oh, how's. Flavor Flav doing? >> Um he's the best. He's great. >> Have you met him before? I met him on my. podcast before and he's really cool and. really fun. So we had a great time, spent the day with him. >> Fun. Yeah. Okay, wait, do you like LA? I. lived here for 10 years minimum and as a. kid as well and I do like LA. I mean, I. don't like it now as much, but I.

appreciate it and I'm enjoying it. It's. like it definitely feels. it feels very virally. Like all the. cutsey places and the cookies and the. things and there's 75 matcha places and. boba and acai and playa and like so I. like that. You come here to be you know. to overpay for coffee and I'm into it. >> 100%. No, I like it weirdly more now. living here than I thought that I would, but I think it's similar to New York. where I think you have a better time. living in New York than visiting New. York cuz you don't know where to go when. you're in New York and so you just go to.

all the viral places, but you're not. like going to the dive bars in West. Village and knowing the little pockets. which I've learned about in LA now that. I live here. >> funny. Okay, so when I lived in LA, I. loved it. Coming back to visit, it can. be strange to your point because you're. coming and sort of just being in a hotel. and it's so. big. >> Yes. >> that you don't know where you're. supposed to be. You have some FOMO in a. way. So you're like on the Sunset Strip. and you're like, wait, why am I here? >> Yes. Yes. Okay, wait, you have a house. in the Hamptons. I have a house in the. Hamptons. >> You moved to Miami. I have a I have a.

place in Manhattan and the Hamptons. I. have a place in Miami and then. further north in Florida. Do you like. living in Florida? I love living in. Florida. >> Really? Tell me everything. So I'm a. beach person. I'm a water sign and I'm a. water person and I walking is the only. thing I do for exercise and the beach to. walk on the beach every day. It's the. It's one of the only times yoga which I. don't do that often, but when I do yoga, at the end I say thank you. Like I. actually say thank you. Just every time.

I can't help myself. When it's done, I. thank myself and I'm not like faux. spiritual like that. I just actually it. comes to me. So every time I do a beach. walk, I say, I'm so grateful. I can't. believe I get to do this. I can't. believe I'm swimming in the ocean every. day. It feels like a dream. Are you are? Every day. I'm in the So it's healing. and I just feel like I I feel so lucky. >> Well, I because I feel like I was going. to ask you Miami just gives such like. party nightlife energy. Are you. partaking? Not really. I only go if it's. like paid or laid. Do you know what I.

mean? Like if I'm if it's an event and. it's a moment or if it's like a date, but I'm not just like randomly on a. Tuesday getting dressed up like a hoe to. go out to dinner. Are you going to 11? I've been to 11 once after the Sports. Illustrated show, that's it. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's not really No, I don't want. to be out all night. I I'm work and I'm. with my daughter for the most of the For. the most part, it's work and my. daughter. >> Do you Do you have like have you enjoyed. strip clubs before or no? I in New York, I've enjoyed strip clubs. In a good. strip club is amazing and shockingly.

strip clubs have good steak. Wait, what? >> there was a place in New York, I think. it was called Penthouse VIP and they had. an excellent steak and it would make. sense cuz the clientele for an upscale. strip joint would be would want a big. great steak. >> never thought to order food while I'm at. a strip club. That's a good That's a. good point. I'm going to try that next. time. >> I mean, goals. >> I'm going to get a big porterhouse with. like, let's go with a gray ass in my. face. Yes. >> Well, it's basically the surf and the. turf.

Love this for us. >> [laughter]. >> Hamptons. You recently said that you. kind of were not feeling the vibes. The. Hamptons are like weird vibes now. Like. what has changed? >> Well, I I mean, it's sort of the way. that LA has changed. The vibes are off. because of the entertainment industry. And so LA, I mean, the Hamptons I love. the Hamptons and I used to go year round. and it's an amazing place that's very. misunderstood because. if you don't live there, you don't. understand it and you try to visit and. dip into like the nightlife and it's. wrong. You have to live there to.

understand it. So just from observing. it, it's the traffic for everyone. I. don't experience it that much cuz like I. said, I'm there year round and during. the week, but I'm observing the fact. that people are just saying they don't. want to leave their house because all. the influencers, you're you're welcome. I mean, guilty. >> [gasps]. >> Have have ruined it for many people, but. it's it's fine. Real estate's up more. than ever and the Hamptons are always. going to be great. >> We met in the Hamptons.

That's how we met. >> What are you talking about? >> My 30th birthday. Oh, that was the first time we met. >> You're You're thinking I'm going all the. way back like I'm I'm about to trick you. like one day I was at a coffee. [laughter] shop. You were a [ __ ] and you're like Yes. I. came to your party intentionally like to. say I was this is exciting. >> so lovely. I remember you showing up and. it was such a crazy um configuration of. where the VIP section was. So like all. the VIPs kind of had to go through the. entire section of all of these fans. which was so fun to just see people like.

uproar whenever someone showed up and I. just hear people screaming your name. We. had never met before. You showed up. What was your first impression of me? My first impression I think you had like. Did you have a bandana on your head. backwards or whatever? So you had a. bandana on your head and you seemed so. genuinely happy to engage with everyone. Like you were very positive. You were. giving them a positive experience which. I really appreciated. It was hot and. everyone wanted to talk to you and I. later. uh what's the show that you're obsessed.

with the the show with all the Love. Island. I didn't know I've never seen. the show, but my daughter in a video of. me saw the two the the Rob and the girl. and so she was freaking out and a lot of. people I knew there a lot of the the. gays I know from the Hamptons were. there. So I had a I actually had a great. time and it was like a it was like a. drive-by, but it was like a really. satisfying. >> fun. I felt the same way about you where. like you have this aura and this energy. that when you walk into a room, it was. so cool to see you basically kind of. show up alone and you were able to.

immediately mingle, hang out with. everyone, talk with everyone and I was. like, oh, that's my kind of person where. like you can fit in any room and people. are going to gravitate towards you which. I love. >> what would it take for someone to have. you have a bad first impression of them? Um. an energy, a negative, a better than, a. put upon. Yeah. >> You know, but by the way, that can. happen if someone's distracted and. people do as a public person, people do. read into the first moment which is why. you do have to make an extra effort.

because just a nuance, just something. that just happened to you before can. make you you you distracted or you know, I've had people come up to me to take a. picture in a bathroom and it's been a. little jarring and I've been like, can. we just have a minute? And then. they might then I don't see them and I'm. like running through the airport and. they're like, can you come cuz I feel. like I have to fix it. >> Right, cuz they're going to be like. Bethenny Frankel's a [ __ ] [ __ ] and. you're like, babe, I was just finishing. putting the tampon at my vagina, but I. was quickly just trying to. >> That horse has left the barn, but yeah. Uh no, but also just for me it's that mo. They're moment and like I I don't you.

know, and it's funny cuz I've seen. videos on social media about people. talking about influencers at like. influencer trips and influencer this. And I have I won't spill the tea on. exactly who cuz I just there's no upside. for that, but like I have seen some of. these younger girls act like that and I. can't imagine why they would like. you know you're out. They can't help. themselves. I can see the. Listen, I'm so much older than these. young girls, but I see between them. The. competition is fierce. I was just at. this Amazon party and there were. literally hundreds of influencers and I.

saw. It's dark. >> full frontal cuntiness. Like. >> It's really crazy to watch. No, no, actually cuz it's crazy to see I agree. with you. I've met some people where I'm. like, whoa, like. okay, like and then you wonder how long. they're going to make it in the industry. because then you go to their page and. they're so different online than when. you meet them, you're like, oh [ __ ]. >> seen them really turn it on for like the. brands, but be really [ __ ] to the. other people and I've seen it. I I've. seen it. >> And it also like I guess this is life. This goes past our industry. There are.

people at work that like suck up to the. boss and then they're a [ __ ] dick in. the room that everyone's hanging out in. and you're like, you got to suss people. out and it's interesting. But when. you're seeing millions of people think. it's one thing and you know it's. another, it's it's very triggering. Yeah, I agree with you. Um okay, you. recently went on a podcast and I feel. like the internet had basically. something to say for every single thing. that you said. It was a lot. What Why do. you think you got so much backlash.

commentary? >> Well, it's why there's almost no upside. for me to do podcasts, but then everyone. say, you know, and and you do them and. you know every sentence because the. person who has the podcast, yourself. included, is going to want to feed out. the comments that are going to get them. We're not You're here for a business. So. So um I I'm polarizing. It's what it is. Like No, and actually I think it's. great. If they stop talking If they stop. talking, start worrying and also like. I can't believe that at this age, at. this stage. things I say are still so relevant and.

so they they they generate views. So. good. It's business. So what? It's. business. I was going to ask you in. aside from that podcast, like do you in. general read into the comments or do you. not care as much? No, I mean, it depends. on what side of social media I'm on. I. don't have a Google alert on myself. So. I'll just see it from flipping from. going through TikTok and then I'll see. something and people will go But yeah, and it's It's comments that get picked. up, but uh I don't I don't care I don't. really care at all unless I think I did.

something wrong. You know, if I think I. did something wrong or if I could have. hurt someone, then I care because I. don't want to drag them into something. I've said, but um and not everything. needs to be said, you know, not. everything needs to be said, but I don't. really ultimately care. I don't think you can to some degree if. you want to last in this industry. because I think I remember like years. ago talk about it with my therapist and. she helped me literally be like, "That. is like your Sims character online." And. like when people are talking about her.

and hating on her, if you know you. didn't actually do anything wrong and. it's misconceptions, okay, so then your. character is like over here for the day. And then as you continue, it's going to. be like this for the day. Like I know. who I am and then there's the also the. perception online that can happen. And. if it gets spun in a way that you didn't. have control over, then what are you. going to do? They're talking about you. It's not real though. You live You have. a primary residence inside Tik Tok as do. I. >> Right. And you have a secondary. residence in Instagram, okay? And you. have a tertiary residence in other. places, but this is your primary. residence. So you think that everybody. else lives in that town and they don't.

So it's not really real. I've had actors. like A-list actors call me. I could think name five. I'll tell you. after. You'll freak. To be like, "Wait, how do you deal with something deal with. what?" And someone's like, "Well, this. happened and this was on this. podcast and then it got picked up on Tik. Tok today." And I go, "Okay, who cares?". And he's like He This was a he. He's. like, "Well, should I say something?". I'm like, "No, what are you going to add. a can of gas to No, this isn't real.". >> Never. He's like, "But it was in page. No, no, none of this is happening. >> turn your phone off and you go down the. street, it doesn't exist. It literally.

doesn't matter. Like it doesn't exist. You can literally just shut it off and. go to the party and no one will know. No. one will even bring it up even if they. know. They won't bring it up in person. You can literally just shut it off and. go to the party and no one will know. No. one will even bring it up even if they. know. You can literally just shut it off. and go to the party and no one will. know. No one will even bring it up even. if they know. They won't bring it up in. person. Even in business. I've been. selling books thinking I'm going to walk. in there and the agent's like, "What are. you talking about?" They don't care. about that. >> view, I like view. It's a view is a. view. It does You can't differentiate if. it was someone hating or loving it. It. doesn't [ __ ] matter. It's a view is a. view. A talk is a talk. Like people. commenting on you, it's like it's all. good for business cuz we're both.

business women and that's all we care. about. >> 100%. >> as you know yourself. >> 100%. The more hate posts that are going. on about you, the more views you're. getting. I mean, even in like on 100%. Yeah, so it's the upside down. This is. an ad by BetterHelp. I will always be the first to say it, the holidays can feel like a lot between. all of the family expectations and the. travel. It is so easy to forget about. yourself in the middle of all of it. And. that's why BetterHelp is encouraging you. to rewrite your traditions this year by.

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much respect for you where you've had so. many different lives in the public, right? And so there are people that are. watching today that may be like, "Okay, I'm millennial girly. I loved her on. Housewives. I love her so much." And. then there are girls that are like, "I'm. Gen Z. I literally know her from her. [ __ ] supermodel tags." Like, "What do. you mean? Like she she was a housewife? Like what do you mean?" So I want to go. back a little bit. Where were you born. and raised? I went to 13 different. schools, but I was born in Queens and. then was in Long Island and was lived.

did live in California as a child, Florida for boarding school for 2 years. I've lived many places New York City. It's a lot. Yes. >> You were 4 years old when your parents. got divorced. How was that explained to. you? Uh I don't think that it was. explained to me. It wasn't explained to. me. It was I was moving back and forth. as a matter of fact my real father was a. horse trainer and there were a lot of. like unsavory cocaine characters around. and young women taking care of me. And.

my mother was with another horse. trainer, my stepfather in New York. And. she. asked my father for child support, but. he said that he would only pay her if I. was with him. So there I was like sort. of like a pawn back and forth. And I. remember being very very sad and wanting. to be with her. And then I entered into. the crazy life of her and my stepfather, which was extremely crazy and extremely. abusive and a lot of interesting So with.

your father, talk to me about your. relationship with him. Like what did you. think of him? Um I think you just love your parents. because they're all that you know and. you don't know that you're growing up at. the racetrack and with all these. unsavory characters, but I did know that. I really I did miss my I did want to be. with my mother. Um and he I didn't speak to him I don't. think from the time that I was four. to like 13 for the most part. He was a. horse trainer, my stepfather was a horse. trainer a horse trainer. So, you know,

like derby like race horses. So there. was a lot of competition between them. and they had obviously they'd run. together as buddies. So she was with. both of them and she was stunning. She. actually looked just like Michelle. Pfeiffer in Scarface at that time. She did a lot of wear and tear in her. body over the years and didn't look like. that in the end, but she was very very. charismatic and beautiful and everyone. wanted to be with her. So there was that. between them and it was like constant. I was like a pawn and there was a lot of. competition between them over the course.

of my life. 13 years old you reconnect with your dad. you said like did you was there anything. you admired about him or you saw in. yourself or was it very polarizing? To. be honest, I knew that he was this Hall. of Fame famous horse trainer and he. lived in California and so there was. something like rich and intriguing about. him. Like I would watch movies like 16. Candles or Pretty in Pink and want to be. in this life and live with him, but he. didn't really. want me per se.

and. I I didn't I kind of I didn't want to be. in either either world. I I I I sort of. fantasized about the life with him that. I didn't have just because of movies, but it it really wasn't like that. >> So are you you're an only child? >> I'm an only child. Okay, so that's like. full pawn. They weren't really fighting. about me only at certain big ticket item. times. Like for years. >> support. For over child support and over. my real father seeing me in winner.

circle pictures with my stepfather and. it was Yeah, I mean, I kind of really. wished that my real father wanted me and. he didn't. And then my stepfather told. me that my mother never wanted me. And she had me on her 20th birthday, which is why usually my birthday is. challenging and this year it was a. breakthrough. So and it actually was related to her. and like brought back a lot of that. So. um Oh, Bethany. It's a lot. It's a lot. >> think it's a lot and then that you ask. it like that and I think it's a lot. So.

yeah. I mean, it's a lot because I'm also. hearing like your stepfather and your. dad like there's like this like pissing. competition between two men and you're. yes, kind of this pawn that it's kind of. like who it wasn't about me. Right. But. it was about them, but then they used. you to make it and it seemed like to. them they were like, "Oh, it's about but. it's not about." It was about them. >> Yes. And they were all very very messed. up characters. Like really. like equally. messed up people. When you had to go.

live with your mom and your stepfather, how was that? Uh my mother was stunning and her. deadliest sin was vanity. I'm not I'm. not a I was talking to Chris Appleton. today about this. I'm not a vain person. Meaning like now I've made I make more. of an effort and but I'm not. intrinsically a very vain person. I. think that's actually evident in a lot. of my social my content. Like you see I. don't care like So I'm not intrinsically.

a vain person. And my mother was. vain to a fault. So she had a lifelong. eating disorder. And I caught her for. the first time when I was 7 years old. She was throwing up and. she used to binge on everything and. sauces and and like torture waiters if. it didn't come out like raw and like it. was just like a constant like torment. about her and then she'd be in the. bathroom for hours after every meal. So. my mother was a lifelong bulimic, alcoholic, cigarette smoker. And she always wanted to be a model. and her sister was 6 ft tall and always. wanted to be a jockey. And my mother was.

5' 4". So she and back then you couldn't. be 5' 4" and be a model. So she was very vain and that was a big. character in my childhood. And she. married. um. an Italian horse trainer who had a lot. of mob ties and would like tell us that. we had to move from one house to another. and that and there were like there were. he had a there were guns in the house in. the car and like. he was she would go out to Studio 54. till all hours and he and then she would.

like punch her fist through the win-. window cuz he wouldn't let her in. And the cop I would have to call the. cops and he would physically abuse her. with like the phone and it was we I. after she died. I gaslit myself like blaming myself for. a lot of these a lot of things and I had. to call friends from my childhood. after the funeral to say like, "What was. it like and they were trying to be. polite because you don't speak ill of. the dead and they were like well she had. a lot of interesting characters around. and your house and I go no I need you to.

tell me because I'm now gaslighting. myself cuz I read a letter she one. letter she wrote that was nice to me and. now it's all my fault and my friend Matt. from high school was like no your house. was criminally insane like they were. calling child services and there were. cops there all the time like that was. not a house to be in. So. um it was a cha it was a very um. there was a big transformation in me in. the last year since my mother passed. away. I like really went through. something. I have a um someone in my. life that had that similar when their.

mother died. It was this weird feeling. of I'm. weirdly. relieved and that's the most [ __ ] up. thing to say but I'm having weird things. of like was she as bad as I remembered. or was it me and like you go through. this because you essentially have to. dissociate when you're in those. environments at that young of an age and. you're just trying to survive and then. as you come to more reality and slowly. start to piece it together you're like. was this as bad as I remembered and to. believe that your parent could be as.

tough as it was you naturally probably. are going to defend your parents in your. mind cuz what else are you going to do. now? It's more that you're clinging to. some version of purity in your childhood. but what actually happened was in. mourning my mother's death I. was like a dog that just like was by. myself in my bed and it was wild that I. just one day just started turning on all. the music of my childhood like all the. Karen Carpenter all the which is ironic. cuz she died of an eating disorder but.

all the 70s music the James Taylor the. the Carole King and like I would walk. every day and I would just cry all day. all night and I was literally going. through the movie of my childhood like. digging through pictures and I was going. through things were coming up that I I. was just like living in it. And I I. developed this sort of compassion for me. as this little girl and felt so like sad. for her. And then I also felt a compassion for my. mother. who was 20 when she had me and her. father.

her father was very abusive and her. brother at 11 years old had to take a. shotgun to his father like. for like to stop beating on his wife. So. it was generational trauma. So I had I so and I called him I was. calling people to like get story just. and I want I had to like um. I didn't have to I just ended up. forgiving her. or just like letting it go because I had. compassion for her. You know I do think it's very relatable. that you're sharing that like there's a.

weird thing that happens too where. you're finding the forgiveness but it. also doesn't mean that everything that. happened to you was okay right? Yes it's. generational trauma but also like you as. an active adult now I'm assuming are. actively making sure that you're giving. your daughter a very different life than. you had when you were in that household. So as much as it is generational trauma. there is someone eventually hopefully. that stops the pattern which it appears. that you're doing but when you look back. at that younger version of yourself like. how do you think you would cope in those.

moments where you're alone in this house. and there's abuse and there's all the. there's guns and there's all these. things like what what did you do to. survive? Okay hold the coping thought. cuz I want to answer that but you just. said like basically break the chain. but what you said reminded me of the. parenting of my daughter it's actually. the pendulum swinging. in a good way but where it's I I think. of when Jennifer Aniston said that Brad. Pitt was lacking a sensitivity chip with. my daughter I have to intervene in. myself to validate and have compassion.

for things that she's going through that. are so superficial and teen because of. how I grew up like the life that she has. and the private planes that we've been. on and the experiences of L'Oreal Paris. Fashion Week and Sports so like it's. very hard when she's really upset about. something that is. when something's real it's real but. that's like so. I have to like just Try to be empathetic. yeah. >> because inside I feel like I mean you. don't even know what it's like but. that's not that's not something to. compare it to that doesn't invalidate.

what she's going through as a normal. teen who feels like her hair looks ugly. or her skin or something so or so I have. I'm just saying it's. >> It's all relative to your circumstances. and so you're comparing it to your. childhood and and Bryn's like what are. you talking about? >> No and I don't say it to her I mean she. knows she's aware of some of my things. I'm just saying it's something that goes. on inside it's drastically different so. you have to like and I do she'll cry. over something that's not that big of a. deal and I'll make a big deal out of it. but and you're like wait this matters? Yes and yes and I'm a strict parent. So. the coping as a child.

>> [gasps]. >> I believe that that is why I'm the way. that I am now and so like resilient and. pros play hurt and like a beast and you. know I work I very few things flap I'm. unflappable in ways. Because I think I was just very I was. very analytical I was always alone I was. with adults unsavory situations. happening with adults and. um. I was always the only friend I have is. my mind to like analyze things like why.

they were happening so I think it's why. I'm emotionally intelligent because I. was always analytical. How do you think. that your relationship with these father. figures in your life influenced you as a. woman with men? Well my mother would say I married these. men because of you because I wanted to. take you I gave up my life for you. So. she would say that but she did instill. in me never ever well never be with. someone on the racetrack but she said. never be with someone for money. Like.

she really was. or I just got that I'm not sure if she. ever said that but I feel like the. choices she was making were. monetary and so that is probably very. that in addition to my real father being. a very a Hall of Fame race horse horse. trainer like a very successful person. I it was just ingrained in me to. to get it for myself even when I was. tempted to not get it for myself and. wanted someone to take care of me but.

the money noise was instilled real. young. Having a parent who has addiction um. having alcohol addiction and you know. and eating disorder how did that impact. your relationship to food and alcohol? Um alcohol not as much like I remember. my mother with all her different. cocktail phases and like it feeling. somewhat glamorized and me being given. champagne at 7 years old but I don't. have an addictive personality except for.

to organization. So I don't have an. addictive personality so because I'm. because of all the chaos in my life I'm. I have to be in control. So I have never. really had a worry I love a cocktail um. but it's ironic that I created a. cocktail business and had an alcoholic. mother it's ironic that. >> It's called Skinnygirl. I have a brand. called Skinnygirl that and I had it yeah. but I've never had um I've had. um. probably like in my 30s. always on a di always on a always on a. diet on a diet you can't have this I.

wrote a book about this which released. me unshackled me because I was always. trying to control and constrict and and. um but because I also had a mother who. took me to an obesity clinic when I was. 7 years old. You know what I mean cuz I weighed 81. pounds and should have weighed 78. Bethenny. >> [laughter]. >> pause what? Yeah what? Yes Saint Saint. Saint Saint what is it Saint Mary Mercy. Hospital How did she explain this to. you? Why you were going? She had a confusing. I she would say to me like I want to.

come back as you and there was a. competition with me and as you probably. saw there's a lot of poetry probably in. that costume the Scarface costume. >> [gasps]. >> I looked just like her just with dark. hair at the same features um and she was. the most stunning woman ever I can't. imagine why she was like jealous of me. or competitive. but she used to tell me like that foods. that like fried tempura she would say to. me that it was really light and that. because it was the Japanese fried. differently so you can't gain weight on. it. So she would be like.

one direction of like wanting me to eat. and then other directions of like. having a an eating disorder so you were. seeing like her trolley of laxatives and. her like stopping the car on the highway. to. you know because she had had too much. coffee she would say. It was just a. lifelong. It was a it was a it's a big character. in my life. It was a massive thing. That's huge too because that is a yes a. a. >> I was always trying to I was always ca. chasing her trying to catch her and she.

I've never met another human being that. never admitted it their whole life. I've. never met someone that to the day they. died held on to it. But that's a. complete product of an eating disorder. that a lot of people like to watch other. people eat because it makes them feel. whatever it's making them feel better. whatever but then also looking at you as. a mini version of herself then catching. moments where it's like you need to look. this way but then it also kind of gets. her off when you're looking a little. bigger than her and it's a competition. And then she got really triggered when I.

looked small. She didn't like when I. lost weight. Right. So you go to an. obesity what. what do you. what do you remember about that? I just. remember knowing every single diet and. every single rip out in every single. magazine and every single uh you know. they used to be called the stewardess'. diet and the Atkins diet and all the. Scarsdale diet she had all the. everything was it was just but she. didn't have to diet because she was just. I never I could never I could never. throw up and I've never had an eating.

disorder I've had I I mean I've never. made myself sick I've never starved. myself but I've always been. aware of it until my 30s when I wrote. that book because I realized you could. really eat anything you want as long as. it's like you're not bingeing. But she. could eat every she I I a bad. relationship with the food because I was. always restricting. She was always. eating cheeseburgers and all the the. things because she was throwing it up. So she she was just like able to eat. everything. Well, and as a woman like. having the woman who's raising you have. such an.

innate just like issue with food and it. being her whole personality. Like it's. like how would it not affect you? But. then to hear also, that's one part. Then. it also being your mother and impacting. the dynamic because in moments you can. feel this is manipulation. She's wanting. me to eat the tempura. It's like your. sense of reality of like truth and. what's not truth with your mother must. have been like Oh my god. And then but. how about fast forward to now? Like. the reason I know so much about food is. because.

that we it was an endless and my but. both my father's too. It was it was like. a it was a character in my house also. Like food and the Haagen-Dazs ice cream. and the bagels from drive 45 minutes to. get the bagels in this way. Food was a. massive character in my whole life. because my mother was either frying. chicken cutlets at 2:00 in the morning. when you came home or we were at a. restaurant every single meal. So that's why I have so much food I know. so much about every scintilla of food. I. think something I remember reading about. you is you did eventually cut your. mother off, right?

Uh yes, after my wedding. Okay. >> After my first wedding. >> Can you talk to me a little bit about. how you knew it was time to make that. decision? Well, it's been very interesting to have. people who are all about family and. therapists. advise me not to contact her. That was. sort of validation because there are. many people that I dated are like, "But. your family, but it's your family." And. then when they really would either meet. her or get under the hood or really. understand the details, they would say. like, "I really think" especially when.

my daughter was born and I only. reconnected with my mother because my. daughter asked me so many times to meet. her and I would not I never wanted her. to pass away and then my daughter to. have this vision. So she met her and she. experienced. a bit of what it was even. you know, my my my mother my daughter. was I don't how old was she? She was got. to be like. between 8 and 11 and maybe it was how. old is she now? 50? Like let's call it. like 11 or 10. And so my mother she'd. get on the phone with her. My mother.

would be nice to her and talk to her. about art cuz Brynn was into art. But. then she Brynn would be like, "How are. you?" I I I think I'm going to die. Like. she would be like, "I think I'm going to. die." Or I'd be and I'd say, "That's. that's not appropriate. I don't I don't. think" and she'd go, "Ugh. Ugh, I can't. [ __ ] stand you." Like with my. daughter on speaker which. and and then she'd be like when I we saw. her in person one time she'd say, "No, I. I I lost I I've gained like 15 lbs." She. was literally like 80-something lbs. I'm. like, "We don't talk about weight in our. house." Like it would have been it would. have been like a dam opening up with if.

we had any relationship with her. Everything everything she said was like. a landmine for something I don't want. for my daughter. So it was hard to do that but to cut her. off to answer your question. it was so it was it was so vicious. Like. it was just it was it was impossible not. to cut her off. Like she she was she was. really. she was scathing to like you you think. I'm abrupt and abrasive. Like it was.

it was I'm a stuffed animal. Like it was. it was it was mean and scathing. Because. in order to cut them off it's obviously. the scariest but then all of a sudden. I'm sure there's like first a moment of. like, "Wait, did I should I have done. that?" And because you're still a kid to. your parent but then once you experience. life without them for a second, it. doesn't mean it's easy but I I have. someone close to me in my life that was. like, "But it has to be this way to. protect my children, to protect my. sanity." Doesn't mean it's easy but it. sometimes is exactly what needs to. happen and I agree there's a lot of. therapists that are like, "Family is.

family." And then there's other. therapists who have had a narcissistic. parent or abusive parent they said like. "The best thing you can do for yourself. is to remove yourself." Well, you're it. depends on it's 50 shades of gray. I. don't know everyone listening is is has. their own story and their own version. But like mine is like that movie the. with what's what's that good-looking. guy? Jeremy Allen? What's that show he. was in? The Bear? Okay, so there's a scene in that show in. the kitchen with his I'm going to which. I'm going to I'm literally just had a. nervous laugh coming on. With his mother.

at Thanksgiving when she like literally. loses her mind and smashes that everyone. was like that was your mother or Firefly. Lane. My friends are like, "I think that. was movie was about." So it's so extreme. it was almost impossible. But. most importantly about what you said. it's not really just an intellectual. thing. It's like. bad energy with anyone with bad friends, negativity, jealousy. It actually. it's contagious. It seeps into your. pores. It becomes part of you. You will. not succeed as much. You will not thrive. as much. You don't even realize it's.

happening. It's low grade. It's you're. absorbing it. So you need to stay away. from people that are really negative and. bad energy and it doesn't I don't care. if they're your family or your friends. like that you've had forever. If. someone's jealous of you if one of you. if the call's coming from within inside. the house and you're on a phone with. your friend and you tell them something. and they're like, "Oh, that's not". you really can't you got you can't be. friends with people like that. >> You can't and half the time it's. usually so much harder with family. because the boundaries are so crossed. because they are so comfortable with you.

in a way that maybe friends don't think. they can fully fully cross the boundary. You're living with these people. This. you've come out of this woman. You are. this woman. You know what I mean? So. like the boundaries with family are so. corrupt and can get so crossed that it's. so much harder. So to have the strength. to actually end a relationship like that. is. beyond measure of strength. And I think. I wanted to talk to you about this today. because I'm like I think there's so much. of you that's online of course and you. have this digital footprint that's.

amazing. But there is this like hard. exterior that has allowed you to survive. your childhood but then it's made you. really [ __ ] successful. Right? >> Yes. And so yes, it was a bad that you. turned into good doesn't mean it didn't. hurt. Um but I remember reading. somewhere you had talked about how like. because of your childhood. you gained this like hustle mindset. essentially, right? >> Yes, but also I think that I've. connected to an audience because they. know that that other part is underneath.

because I don't wear my story but it. comes out sometimes. And so they're. aware if I was only hard, that's that's. too much, you know? And it's and it's. not intentional. It's just I'm not only. hard. I'm just that's the shell that is. so easy to be there. And yes, that's. made me so resilient, you know? But but. we always go back to the dynamic of who. we are with our parents. Someone could. be a billionaire who invented the. spaceship and the minute they get back. with their father or mother they'll like. be back in that dynamic.

>> Fully. Okay, we need to talk about so. you're going through all this but then. you become yes, this hustler. Early. days, talk to me about how you would. start to make money, Ms. Bethenny. Frankel. Or what is early days? >> school. Like what were you all up to? High school I had big I high school I. had parties at hotels. I would rent out. hotel rooms and I would charge the. entire grade and have like full-blown. party parties. And how did you even like. think to do that?

>> know. And and and and I would also. have house parties in Old Westbury in. the house that Howard Stern actually. moved into after us. and I would have the local volunteer. cops in Old Westbury. work to help clean up the next day and I. would charge everybody um and. I I worked at a bakery. I've had every I've there's not a job I. can't think of a job I haven't had. I. was a hostess at La Scala. I was. Jerry and Linda Bruckheimer's assistant. I was Kathy Hilton's assistant. I was I.

worked at Island Pictures for Chris. Blackwell. I worked under Lorne Michaels. at Broadway Video for this guy Barnaby. I worked everywhere. >> rooms, how the [ __ ] did you do this? Totally accidental. Totally connected. >> like each moment in time. >> La Scala met Kyle. Started working for. Kathy. Hostess at La Scala met a woman. who was going away and worked for the. Bruckheimers. I was a temp and then got I mean I I was. just always working. But don't you. believe Bethenny? Like I think even. advice for young people listening.

especially with careers, it's like you. would think you know, being a hostess at. La Scala. The fact that you spoke to. Kyle and then had the wherewithal to. like it's a personality thing where then. you're like, "No, I'll follow up. I'll. get the phone number. I'll do this." Fun. hustle. Cuz a lot of people will be. like, "Oh, I I I don't want to. overstep." I was a hot walker at the. racetrack. I used to walk the horses. when they come off the track to cool. them off. I would give them the bath and. then you have to cool them down. So I've. had every job but it's more about work. ethic and people now because of social. media and they they think like.

everything's just. easy. Nothing's easy. And and to sustain. is to work hard and I've always been a. worker and you don't do any job if you. won't do it to the best of your ability. So being the best hostess, being the. best person printing copies at um. different studios for different shows, working as a PA on Saved by the Bell. No. one in this entire industry will ever. say that I didn't work hard. I've always. worked hard. >> But what did you actually want to do? Like what was your dream? I thought I.

wanted to be an actress because my. mother. which was a defining traumatic moment. told me when I was probably in high. school that she had been offered a. Disney contract for me when I was little. but she turned it down. I don't even. know if that was true but my whole life. it tortured me because I thought it. would have been much easier and I used. to beg her to take me into the city for. auditions and she wouldn't and I used to. beg her to ask friends cuz she knew this. one guy who used to produce commercials. I would beg her.

and she was an actress in in college and. she never helped me and I wanted it so. badly and I probably wanted it just for. like the fame, just for like the. attention and the love. I didn't understand what acting was and. I don't think I was good in it in the. Lifetime movie, but I didn't think I was. very good at it because I wasn't I don't. think good at playing someone else. >> You're better at yourself. >> I think I think I figured that out, but. that didn't exist as a genre. >> Isn't that so crazy though that like. with parents. the fact that.

there is a big chance that that is. a complete lie and she used that to make. you feel small so that she can feel also. better about like her acting you know. life. >> true and she didn't ask me if I would. want to do it. >> going to say so there's that or and like. both is pretty bad. >> I tortured myself over for years cuz I. thought I could have had had a life you. know it could have been on the Mickey. Mouse. >> look what the [ __ ] you did [ __ ] Like. >> [laughter]. >> here we go. So you get into your 30s and. you talk you've talked about how you.

know in your 30s you were at a very. different place than most of your. friends and you're still hustling and. you're still trying to figure it out. Then you end up getting cast on Martha. Stewart's Apprentice show. For anyone who's not familiar, first of. all you need to explain to them what. that show was and how did you get this. show? Well, I was out with a group of people. um. at a dinner and they were talking about. the Donald Trump Apprentice. Now keep in. mind it wasn't the Celebrity Apprentice. it was the regular person Apprentice.

and I just overheard them saying I. didn't watch a lot of TV I don't believe. and I didn't know about the show and. they were saying that people were. competing and having like lemonade. stands and like it almost felt like an. adult scavenger hunt for a job. Now I. was broke was living in New York and I. believe then it was a studio apartment. and I said aloud something about like. I'd be good on that and this one guy. that I've mentioned in my books I won't. say him again he sort of taunted me and. said you'll never get on that show and I. said you mark my words I'll get on that.

show. But I was talking about the Trump. Apprentice cuz Martha wasn't on yet. So. I went and got this guy was working with. to buy I said buy the least expensive. smallest video camera you could find and. film me selling my cookies at this trade. show. So he sent it in and there were. thousands of people that sent it in and. I went not only to the callback to the. to the interview to the callback flown. to LA to be sequestered for a week went. from 50 people down to. 18.

and I was like an alternate like 19 but. they didn't end up needing me and so I. didn't get it and I was. begging and crying in my room every day. I was like please like I remember. Jessica Simpson and Britney Spears songs. and like manifesting it and you weren't. allowed to leave your room you were. sequestered it was torture and I it was. at a Double Tree and they had those good. cookies and and I was like tortured and. then I didn't get it. But this is about. connecting and networking. Most people. think it just does us. I kept in touch. with the casting people. I kept texting. them. I kept whatever and they I guess.

because I was a natural food chef had me. in mind for the Martha one that Mark. Burnett was going to do when she got out. of jail. She lost her talk show and a. and a reality show The Apprentice on the. same literal day. and I was like this makes sense. Holy I. mean. >> went back for the sequestering again. went through the whole thing for the. whole week and I handled it differently. because I realized in that in between. those two moments that the first time I. was going for a job interview and I.

wanted the job. Like I thought it was a. job interview and to tell them how. proficient I was and how smart I was but. I didn't realize until the second time. they really wanted someone who's going. to be good television in addition to. having the accolades but like I brought. Bethany the second time. Was it natural. for you or were you watching eyes and. being like oh I got to ramp it up I got. to pull it down like were you producing. yourself? >> No because I didn't even know that was a. I didn't understand I'd never been on. television before and the first minute. of it I stared into the camera and they. had to tell us not to stare into the. camera. It was the greatest training for.

what later became to be what most people. know as reality television because this. experience was all about the. competition. They don't care about funny. Bethany they don't care about what's. going on in my personal life. It's all. about the competition so anything I say. is only interesting as it pertains to. the other people. And my friends at home. were like wait they didn't they didn't. like show how funny you are. What the. [ __ ] you're so funny why didn't they. show how funny you are. Like it was. really about the competition so I was a. good character but I took it very. seriously cuz I wanted to win cuz I grew. up at the racetrack and coming in second.

which I did no one ever remembers who. came in second. except for this one except for this one. experience. So so I went through the. whole thing hard core because I was. broke and I wanted the job and I was. like Martha I she democratized style and. I'm going to democratize health. I'm. going to be a natural food chef and I. had the job in my mind. So I was an. animal going through that like an animal. but I was trained when I went on to. Housewives later I thought like you're. never supposed to talk to the producers.

they don't exist that I mean Mark. Burnett is a military operation it's. another story. It's like you do not look. at the you don't look at the producers. they don't exist those are got those are. cameras they do not exist like you're. really living this and they're fly. you're they're flies on the wall. And. then you get to Housewives and they're. like Bethany can you fix your hair. Bethany say that and you're like people. are sleeping people are marrying. producers literally Kandi Burruss. married a producer. It's not the same. But however Martha's daughter slept with. a producer a camera guy. >> [laughter]. >> so that's different. Okay wait Martha. you ended the show and you compared.

Martha you said to an ex-boyfriend who. you hate but you're still in love with. Where was this tension coming from and. like how did you actually feel about. her? Oh my god I'm so glad that you I'm. okay. >> [laughter]. >> So during during the whole show this is. all just how I perceive it to be. I was. out on a reward with I was out on a task. or something after we won and Martha. came to the loft and visited. I dated a. guy now I was broke going into it I had. like not a lot like a couple of thousand. dollars in my bank account but there was.

a guy that I had dated that had given me. a Louis Vuitton suit and I brought it. and Martha clocked it in the closet and. one of the contestants said to me Martha. goes oh let me guess this is Bethany's. So she had like a feeling about me cuz. before I got on Paul Allen the founder. of Microsoft thought he was doing me a. favor but said to Martha that he knew me. and I was like no no I don't want her to. think I'm like cuz I always knew people. I always just had connections to people. >> I don't I don't want to give nepo baby.

No and I'm not it I wasn't. I just in. Malibu David Geffen had a dinner party. and Paul Allen was there and I was Like. I'm a networker but I'm not. >> Jerry Bruckheimer's assistant so I had. to take care of his house and it was. next to David Geffen's house and he. asked me to come to a dinner party and. that's how I met Paul Allen and he tells. Martha Stewart that and I'm like. I don't want to seem like no. So I was. like. [ __ ] Yeah so anyway that's my perception. she would probably deny that. I'm saying. that is my perception this and that is. what I was told from someone in the loft. that she mentioned my suit. It was a.

nice gorgeous suit. So I go through the. competition and when I don't win she. says you're pushy you're show off you. feel the need to make a physical. impression which is not entirely. necessary here at Martha Stewart Living. Omnimedia. So I was broken-hearted. and. I went. This is like a book. I went as a Lisa. Slain from the Housewives. beard to Saint Bart's with her on a trip.

that she invited me on a trip that was. all paid for in Saint Bart's and I. didn't realize that it was with a guy. that she was dating. cuz she he just it was the three of us. on this trip. I didn't realize like cuz. she was kind of cagey about it. So we go. with this guy and they put me in this. cottage above La Toiny hotel and they're. like I guess in a room and I'm by. myself. So I know people so I go to New. Year's Eve party on Paul Allen's boat. and I get off the tender and I wear I I. know she's going to be there and I don't. know why I think he might have said it.

so I wear. the sickest dress you've ever seen in. your life. It's a Dolce Gabbana dress. It is I mean listen I was in my 30s. It. is laces going down the side a big. opening gap down it. I get off the. tender I walk on the boat the first. person I see is Martha Stewart and Bon. Jon Bovi. So she's facing him and I walk. on and I see her. I'm so nervous. Every. time I've seen her I have 10 stories. like this with her. Over the course of. time I've seen her so many times and I. always like not anymore but like I. always pay homage to her. She's still.

going to be the queen and she's doing. great now and we're good now. >> Yes. It's and it's like a great All. About Eve nemesis like it's amazing. So. I get on the boat and I walk up to her. and she says John she calls him John. this is Bethany. She she I she something. like what she said she said. I didn't I cuz he knew about her show I. didn't choose her she didn't win so. she's mad at me and I said Martha I'm. not mad at you. You're like an. ex-boyfriend that I hate that I'm still. in love with. And that was all that I said and it you.

know. it landed but it threw me off and I got. off the boat shortly thereafter and. you know lived my life. You have no idea. how many things she said to me over the. years the most insane I could write a. book on the comments just and give her. the credit the props like it's like she. would have been a great housewife. because when I ran it and even though. she's not like over the top and doesn't. when I ran into her at Nobu. she had a comment there too and I had a. comment back too. She and I would have. been she she wanted to do a show with me. years later. She wanted me to be yeah.

there were there we have so many stories. Martha and I and then I saw her at the. Jingle Ball and she. she she was like let's take a picture. and like it was like all good but I I. gave her the flowers. I always kiss the. ring with her. Yeah kissing the ring. because like she's she's always going to. be an icon. >> I respect her gangster and she gave me. respect on on on a show when she was. asked wait you didn't pick her and she. said I was wrong. Like for her to say I. was. we've respected each other. It's been I. like I like it it's the room stops for. me if she's somewhere and I'm there. If. you had to choose would you rather go.

back and do another season of Housewives. or The Apprentice? Housewives. Because because there's no upside to not. winning The Apprentice. >> You're so competitive. I love it. You. know what I mean? There's no upside. >> Who's a better boss, Martha or Andy? Um. Andy wasn't my boss. Okay. [laughter]. So, you start filming Housewives. In. your mind, did you have any expectations. of like what you wanted to get out of.

the experience at that point? I was a. natural food chef who wanted to be on. some some version of a cooking show. The. head of the Food Network told me told. me, "Stop coming in here with all these. different production companies. You're. never getting on TV.". And his name was Bob Tushman. And he literally cuz he was annoyed that. these different production companies. like I think it was Gordon Ramsay's or. there's another Gordon, Gordon Elliott. maybe, different guys, Bobby Flay's. company, Rock Shrimp, they would be. interested in me and they would want to. come in but I got cock-blocked from the.

guy running the place who later left and. other people wanted to do shows with me. But, I wanted to do a food show. After. starting to film the Housewives, I. didn't have a contract yet and I went in. and met with people in Bravo in LA about. a food show. And when New York got wind. of that, they got real nervous and they. they they gave me a contract real fast. They they didn't want me to take the. food route. They wanted me to take this. route. But, I thought I had a boyfriend. at the time and he would say. just only be a natural food chef, only. show your cooking. Like, we didn't know.

what this was. This was a new animal. This wasn't a proven concept. So, I. thought I was going to be able to just. walk in there and just like only. and literally days into it I said, "There's going to be an If there's an. audience, they'll be tuning in and. investing. So, I'm going to give them. the the real me. I'm going to give them. all of me." Okay. >> that decision. I I wanted to get out of. it success and to have a business. I had. no idea what though. I wanted to be a. chef. >> This concept of reality television was. such a new concept. So, to actually. think that you could. become something from it but also become.

a businesswoman, an entrepreneur, and. create products and lines off of it was. so new and not even a thing when you. started. So, it's like Oh, no. I started. that. >> That's what I'm That's what I'm getting. to. It's like it wasn't a thing. So, it's like you're kind of dipping your. toes into something. There is no. blueprint yet which eventually you start. and you create. But, talk to me early. days. You you become a fan favorite, obviously. Why do you think you were a. fan favorite? >> Okay. So, it wasn't a thing at all what. you're saying. I didn't even understand. what the show was. They had Orange. County but to Ramona's credit in the.

comment she got killed for when she said. New York put it on the map. It was. because they weren't in a media city. They were in Orange County. So, yes, the. show was on and they were getting. 800,000 viewers or whatever and I. remember seeing it peripherally. But, New York there was a New York magazine. article and it was a media city that we. were in and it enraged real socialites. for for the media to be calling us. socialites. For Jill Zarin to be showing. invitations, it enraged and I know this. because of the night I accidentally. crashed the Met Gala after-party totally.

accidentally. I was eating dinner in. like grow not even nice clothes. And. those some of those real socialites were. saying it was like driving them crazy. because like this person's not a. socialite. They're real socialites and. they would never do this show. So, the. show I I got paid 7,250 in my contract. for the whole season. That was my first. contract. And for me, I turned it down. for a month and then I said, "It's not. that easy to get on TV and if it fails, no one will know about it and if it. succeeds, then it's something." But, I.

we didn't think it could succeed to this. we didn't think it would be a cultural. phenomenon. Right. You know, I said that. to someone. I said, "This feels like it. could be." And they laughed at me. It. was Billy Joel's publicist. She was. like, "Please, it's not a cultural. phenomenon. It was a joke of a show that. we that it was preposterous that we were. being called socialites when we were. train wrecks. You know, I I really was. an iconic amazing time and we all were. fresh. And it was the best time that reality TV. has seen, honestly. This episode is. brought to you by Schwarzkopf Keratin. Color.

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Let's talk about business. Because I am like. beyond. impressed that you had the wherewithal. I don't know if it was something in your. gut, someone gave you advice, when you. went to sign that Bravo contract and you. decided to be like, "Actually, I will. take way less so that I don't have to. give you anything that I create during. the show and all of your IP will be your.

IP and they don't get a cut." How the. [ __ ] did you swing that one, Bethenny? I. don't know because I'm not good to this. day at contracts but I am to this day. good at concepts. I will sit and like. ruminate and think about something and. what it means and I don't sleep a ton. So, when I'm between sleep and wake, some other angle of something will come. up and my whole career and for business. people out there or future. entrepreneurs, it is people only focus about the money. and I don't only focus on the money. I. focus on the other things that end up. making you so much more money. So, if.

it's that, it's the bigger picture about. freedom in the future and I had nothing. So, there was no reason for me to think. of that. There was no I don't know why. It's a gut instinct or for me to not. play any games in a negotiation at a. certain point in Housewives because I. know I'm getting spin-off or for me to. play nice with Housewives because I know. that then they're going to let me do the. talk show or this other thing or or to. to do the to sell Skinnygirl prematurely.

in my mind because of the street cred. that I'm going to have as a business. person and not just be pigeonholed into. a reality person. Because being on the. cover of Forbes magazine is more. valuable that to me than another. $50 million. No, it's it's fascinating. because again, like this was such early. days that there was no concept of a. personality being on a show. And I guess. yes, Martha Stewart and like the 11111%. had done it where they took themselves, branded, got a product out of it. But, a.

lot of these people, even you look at. the Disney kids or whoever, most of. these people sign their life overs to. Disney or whoever it be and to these IPs. that they walk into and they walk away. with nothing. Most of these people. there's a character that they're known. for. They own nothing. They don't have. one [ __ ] thing that they can be like, "I own that." You were able to yes, start Skinnygirl. When it you didn't. even have the idea when you started the. show. You had the wherewithal that. again, back to the beginning of this. episode, you had this innate like I'm. always going to rely on myself. I'm. always going to trust myself. You're a.

[ __ ] hustler in high school. You're. throwing these [ __ ] parties and. you're making a profit. Like, you had. business acumen but it was like street. style also business acumen which. actually I believe worked so well. because you were. beginning in an industry that had so. much. as much as it probably looked like there. wasn't flexibility, there was nothing. rigid about it because no one knew the. rules yet. So, you kind of were able to. be like, "No, I'm not going to do it. unless I get to do this." And who the. [ __ ] they're like, "Sure.". >> Well, no. That's why I told you the.

story about we were filming already and. they we didn't have a contract. We. filmed a month without them giving us a. contract until they heard that I went in. to go talk to the other people. >> that? Right now, would never happen. You. film without a contract? That's not even. a [ __ ] thing No, when we started it. was favored nations, too. It was when. So, two things. One, the Bethenny clause. was a result of that because after the. Forbes cover, bro they let it go for a. while after the Forbes cover and the. Hollywood Reporter article, the industry. implemented the Bethenny clause which. meant that anybody on any reality show. had to kick up to the top. So, that was.

very instrumental. But, to the point of. what Wait, you were just saying. something that I thought of something. >> Just like the there was such um. flexibility in the industry cuz it. wasn't even. it wasn't set. It's oh, so I was so Jill. Zarin said to me when we were all. favored nations, who decided that? We're. all going to It's what happened on. Friends. Everybody gets paid the same. thing on Friends, okay? And the show, to. be fair, if we all had the same thing. for years, I guess we all would have. stayed on and it would have been one. cast just like Friends. Um but, I was.

like I said to Jill, "No." Immediately. no. We're not favored nations. So, she. she pulled away from the block Ramona. and um she pulled away from the other. girls and said, "I'm sticking with you.". And I remember being in her Hamptons. closet negotiating and she just left it. to me. She was like, "Bethenny, you. whatever you do, do it for me, too. I'm. with her." And it was scary. It got. scary cuz people play they play they. bluff and they say everyone else is. doing this and you're not going to be on. the show. And I was like, "Stop. You. don't We're not They're not They're not. take They're training ain't without us,

Jill." So, I was the one who broke. favored nations on the Housewives. I. never told that anyone before because. we got a different amount and then. everybody was on their own and that's. how all the fee structure changed. >> Well, that's really fascinating cuz. should all the four women be paid the. same amount? You can say yes, but then it's like, "But if you're going in and you're going. to renegotiate, you're not going to be. like, 'I'm going to renegotiate for all. of these three other women. I'm going to. go for what I can get as a woman in this. industry where I know this could be. fleeting. I've got my chance. I'm going. to go [ __ ] renegotiate and if these.

other women are so pissed, they should. go do the same [ __ ] thing." What is. that What do What do you mean to Should. everybody negotiate the same as LeBron. the same as the schmuck sitting on the. bench? What are you talking about? LeBron's LeBron. But do you think people. would argue, "Well, you were all doing. the same job." No, because not everybody. does it well. Some people play it safe. Some people fly under the radar. Some. people don't get dirty. I could name. five people that I've been like, "Hi, there's a camera there and if you think. I want to get this [ __ ] muddled in. [ __ ] for my I mean, I'm doing it for the. for the for the better OF THE GROUP.".

YEAH. YEAH, NO. Like that's why like. Ramona, yeah. Ramona deserved her coins. Okay? >> good. >> Yeah, but there are others who would do. one thing on camera and then another off. camera. Can you name one person? I do not You don't want to get into it. >> No, I just don't I like it's not worth. >> to ask. I had to. >> I'd get isn't worth the [ __ ] I'd get. >> Okay, but you know I had to ask. Guys, don't get mad at me. Um the other thing. I think cuz I want to talk about. Skinnygirl is. again because the industry was so. in the early stages, it was so green.

You coming in and not having a product, then you start talking about this. product and I'm going to use the product. that I'm on to promote the product that. I fully own and I'm now building. >> But what ended up later happening was. they would put they they was such. resentment because of other sponsors and. also they wouldn't include my product, but they would include a fake product. There was a fake storyline of someone. else. So, then you're like, "Mine's. real." So, that's a reality show and. you're This is what you really do for a. living now. You really have a Skinnygirl. brand. But they're sort of [ __ ].

it because it's become too real and too. successful. But this monkey business. stuff that you're going to possibly kick. up that's not even a real storyline. They can do the [ __ ] business cuz. it's like a joke. >> Slowly they're going to start to get. advertising dollars from a different. alcohol company. They're like, "Why are. we going to promote Bethany?" But you're. like, "But this is my whole [ __ ]. storyline, [ __ ] So, take it or. leave it.". >> the advertising dollars for liquor. because of Skinnygirl because that it's. like it's a circular reference. But. yeah, don't hit the player, hit the. game. >> 100%. How did you come up with the name? Um.

I said to Luann, "It's a She was making, 'Darling, you. drinking tequila?'" And by the way, go. go look at the stats. Women weren't drinking tequila then. before the Skinny Skinnygirl Margarita. because in college people would drink. like brown tequila. But women weren't. drinking tequila sodas. So, I was I had. already come up with this recipe not to. be a drink just cuz it was what I wanted. to drink to not be drinking sugary. margaritas. And I ordered it and she was. so appalled by the fact that I was.

drinking tequila in that scene that she. was like, "You're drinking tequila?" It. was so It was not something people. drank. Women did not drink like tequila. on the rocks. And so, she was like. aghast at that and then I told her, "It's a Skinnygirl's Margarita." I had. come up with Skinnygirls. And later, I. didn't want it to be skinny with a. capital S and a G with a capital S. I. wanted it to be just all lowercase flow. together, no S at the end and it would. have been skinny margarita, which I. would have been a multi-billionaire by. now, but you can't own the word skinny. So, everywhere you go, you can order a.

skinny margarita. You're welcome. But. you can't own the word skinny just like. you can't own the word bread. You can't. own the word skinny. So, I had to pick a. name for it, which is enraging cuz. every man that I've ever been with like. my exes all said, "Do you know what it's. like every date I've ever been on, every. woman orders a skinny margarita?". I'm in your dreams, [ __ ] I'm. everywhere. You can never get rid of me. Yes, but for me, I cringe when people. next to me they don't even know I. invented it. I'm in a bar and I'm like, "Ugh." Right, cuz the IP you needed to. have more than just the one word that.

>> I don't I can't make it It's okay. We've. done well, but I still it's hysterical. >> Now, how do you feel about the name? The name is great. I don't have any And. nobody's a problem with Yeah, it's. always like Banana Republic used to. start out as a safari store. >> I Isn't that crazy? >> So, like. Yeah, Apple is not a fruit. It's okay. But you're okay because I. think now obviously I feel like in the. climate of social media like everyone is. a bit more sensitive to things and I. think a lot of conversations for women. around weight and. being too this or promoting skinny.

eating or this or that is like. problematic. Like have you experienced. that? >> some reason because we were an. established brand and you forget what it. actually the words you just like are. like, "It's Skinnygirl." It's almost. like if you launched this today, people. would be like, "You're [ __ ] done. Canceled, bitch." But since it was. already an established and it was a. thing of the times, maybe. >> Yeah, and because it was in a category. that is problematic for calories because. a margarita was the highest calorie. drink that would go up to 1,250 calories. for a margarita. So, it was not that I. was saying Skinnygirl in everything. It. was really the solution to that being.

fewer calories, but. it wasn't that big of a thing and I'm. surprised some people would ask it. Some. reporters would ask it, but people never. said it. Once in a while someone will. say, "Well, isn't that ironic cuz it's. that." But then Sydney Sweeney and her. jeans ad made it fine to be skinny. again. So, it's okay. Obviously I'm. getting your opinions in all things. business, but now I want to get your. take on a few things that are more. social media. Okay. Talk to me about. your thoughts on the concept of hate.

following. Um What a great question. I. think I like hate follows to me when. people are hate following me because I. it's a great time to clap back and give. a little nice slap, you know? Um I think. I like that. Um. I don't know if I hate follow anyone. I've never had a separate account that. people say they'll go have a secretive. account. I'm I'm not that person. I'm. not a snooper in someone's drawer. I. just have things that like are. surprising to people. So, I don't think.

that I hate follow many people or I do. and then I stop. Some Some people that I. follow that Yeah, it's not that I hate. follow. It's that I follow some people. that I. greatly dislike, but it doesn't mean I. don't like their content. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you know what I'm. saying? I might like something that. they're doing. Um but I might not like them. But yeah. >> that for you where you're like, "But. please bring all the hate follows to my. account." The more the merrier. Sure, win-win. Okay, next. Um what do you. think it actually means to be a girl's. girl and do you think we've lost the.

plot? Well, I think you don't support women is. an overused statement. It's like it's. and it's like faux I don't like faux. female support. So, for example, these. two influencers came to my birthday. party. These amazing Housewives came to. my birthday party and one of them said, "She's totally a girl's girl." And I was. like, "I'm not in every girl's girl.". Cuz I don't want her to fakely think. that I'm like just like girling out in a. sorority with everyone, you know? >> Right. I'm not I'm like a certain girl's.

girl. And I'm like my girl's girl. because I am a very, very um protective. and insular private person ironically. that likes like my crew and I don't let. that many people in. Um so, I What do I. think it means to be a girl's girl? I. think it means to choose the people that. you're loyal to and I think it means I. think it means when you're unhappy, you're probably not going to be as much. of a girl's girl because you're unhappy. and so it's hard to watch other people. be happy. And I think when you are. happy, it's going to be easier for you. And I think that it changes and I think.

that to get older, you understand why. people do and say the things they say. and you have compassion and it's why I. see the Housewives and certain things. differently from back then and it's why. I do see why. some of my success would be frustrating. at times for other people in that. environment because we all start off in. the same place. And so, then it was just. like kill or be killed. But I like being. away from that experience and getting. older and having a daughter and just.

like be and being happy, just like. finding. a way to be happy. Um so, I think it. ebbs and flows. I Anybody who pretends. that at every moment of their life. they've been a girl's girl and that. they're not jealous or that people in an. all-female environment aren't looking at. what someone else has or does or who. they're with, you know, it's making the world go round. These. people are talking about other people. It's why there are gossip magazines. Like it's human nature. So, you got to. just like try to find the best version. of yourself and try to be that. >> Love. Um okay, how do you feel about.

using TikTok to expose men who might be. cheating? Um it's like a reality show. when the guy didn't sign up for this. I. actually don't and you don't know the. story. You don't know the story. There might be. another side of it. If a guy's cheating, but maybe. maybe she was mean to him and her. friends are going to say she was abusive. to him verbally and she emasculated him. I don't know that. I'm I'm going to err. on the side of the woman. But I I think. I think that social media is the modern.

reality show. When people say to me, "Why aren't you going on TV?" I'm like, "I'm asked to do TV all the time, but. it's a dinosaur. I am on TV. This is. TV.". >> This is TV. Yeah. So, if this is TV and. you're not going to put somebody who. didn't sign the release and be on TV. with you on the Housewives, which is a I. look I frown upon that, then you. shouldn't be doing it on social media. cuz it is TV. >> Yeah. That is interesting. No, no, no. It is. It's interesting cuz social media has. completely become television. So, I agree. Maybe in the beginning of. social media, people were looking at it.

more as like a casual thing. And now. it's become where people are creating. businesses. People are putting shorts. up. People are literally funding. scripted television shows and they're. not television shows as in going on. syndicated TV. They're going on YouTube. as television shows. >> Well, what is This is This is why It's. getting crazy out here, Bethany. Yes, but this is what it was like when I was. on reality TV, but even more so the. wild, wild west. So, if someone has to. sign a release to be on reality. television, but doesn't on social media. in the back of your video in a. restaurant, why when this is getting.

more views? Way more. More eyeballs. >> so crazy. >> Right? So, if a guy's cheating behind. me, he can't sue cuz he was just behind. me, but why could you sue on a. television show that didn't you didn't. sign a release? Everything is on the. internet, so then should the internet. now be held to the same standards as the. FCC or what? >> a guideline. No, because we want to get. away with murder, but yes, we do. >> Absolutely. I'm like, please don't, but. it's fascinating. >> Yes. Interesting. There was a trend that. was recently going on where I saw people. saying, "If your best friend cheats on the guy,

If your best friend cheats on the guy, yes. Do you tell the guy?". What are you talking about? It's your. best friend. What are you talking Why is. this a question? >> Okay, so this is like this is I thought. this was obvious where you're like, "I. don't give a [ __ ] what if she cheated on. the man.". >> you're talking about. >> course I mean like, "Babe, like break. >> just say best friend?". >> Yes, your best friend. >> friend has a body in a dumpster with. duct tape on its mouth, you're not. calling. What are you talking about? You're not calling [laughter] the cops. So, that's what I think there was a huge. uproar because people were like, "I. don't give a [ __ ] cheating is cheating. and I don't care then that's not my best.

friend if their morals are cheating.". I'm like, "I don't care.". >> Who said that? >> Listen, if my friend cheats on a man, my. first question is what did he do? And. then if she says, "Actually nothing, I'm. just not into him." I'd be like, "Okay, well like let me know how you're going. to handle this." But like I'm not going. to the [ __ ] man. >> I don't know what you're talking about. >> you this was a thing on social media and. I'm watching it and people. >> you thought it was real for the 5. minutes that it was happening. >> [laughter]. >> And it was not real. It was nobody's. telling on their. >> I'm telling you that these people are. like, "I would again." It's one thing if. it's acquaintance and it's in a friend. group where you're like,

"I but still I'm always going with the. woman over the man." Snitches get. stitches. [ __ ]. >> the way, yes, no. Can we talk about your. love life? >> What? >> What's going on with you? Um what's. going on with me is this is for this is. for women who are at all ages dating is. that at each stage that I've been single. and open for business, I've thought like. I had either aged or priced myself out. of the market because that's what. everyone tells women and it it's not. true cuz I have a new dating concept. that has exploded.

beyond. Okay, do you want to share? >> Yes, it's called the core community. It's a member a dating membership. community and it's based on intention. and integrity and you have to want a. partner right now and you can there are. rules and you can be kicked out, but it. is completely debunked that men only. want younger women, that there are no. good women and we have so many couples. already and you it's it's it's the most. amazing thing I've ever done. I did it. as like a social experiment and it. exploded. So, are you launching an app? >> And so, I'm I will I will launch the.

tech eventually. First, it won't be for a while because I'm. building on the the culture first. Like. it's almost like what Soho House was in. the beginning, but much stricter and. people are begging. Have you are you. working with tech? Have you gotten like. investors? What are you doing? >> three tech billionaires want in. I'm not. taking any money because it's cash flow. positive already and I am yes, I am. going to build uh white label tech. Like. I'm taking white label tech to put it.

in, but it'll be very simple and I'm. going to try to I can tell you some of. it, but I'm going to try to like I'm. gatekeeping a lot of the back of the. house because I don't want other people. now to know exactly how we're doing it. >> are you rolling it out? >> It's it's happened already, but when am. I announcing it? Probably in the next. couple weeks. We will have a very very. basic simple website, so people can come. in and apply, but the community the. membership will be smaller and it'll be. only in large markets for now. The. community will be larger and people be.

able to get like dating advice and. inside info articles on like. what's really going on and also deals. and deals on vacations and anything. pertaining to anything related to. dating, but get like exclusive content. and deals that you can't get anywhere. else, but it's the actual aligning and. the connecting that is shocking me and. I'm learning so much and so it's. actually helping my dating at the same. time and I'm dating and it's going very. well and it oddly opened up everything. Like it's been really amazing.

>> And you're dating kind of like multiple. people right now just kind of like I. have been dating and I haven't fully. committed to anyone. There are there. have been individuals that I've met that. I definitely like a lot more than others. and now it's getting a little more it's. becoming a little more um. Serious? Serious. Um. but. I I was it's been a I've been so. transparent that I'll say to someone, "I'm not committing to anything." I took. 9 months off. I was celibate for 9.

months and I I came into dating. a full person. Like my mother had died. I took all this time off and I got out. of a relationship and I was just like, "I'm now like I've done the work. I'm. now ready." And I know what I want and. I'm intentional and I'm not settling. I'm not just, "Oh sure, I'll go out the. guy from that geographically undesirable. place. Oh sure, that guy has. three too many kids that I don't want.". I'm sticking to the to the diet of what. I said. Like and it's been it makes you. focus cuz if you're not focused on the. right if you're if you if you break. that,

you could miss the right thing. You have. to be super patient and you can't get. full on a bunch of crap food that makes. you feel sick. You got to wait and eat. the good thing. So, does that make any. sense? >> I love this advice so much because I. agree with you. It's almost like if you. continue to entertain [ __ ] that in the. back of your head you're like, "I know. this is not what I want, but like I need. someone right now." You literally could. be missing that you actually instead if. you were single and you didn't entertain. that you would have been going on a solo. date or you'd be out with the. girlfriends and you would actually have. potentially met the love of your life. So, stop going for the crap. I agree.

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women listening to this podcast, I have. so many young women who are probably at. that point right now where they're. actually trying to decide like. is this the one? Is this not? What do I. do? Like can you talk to me a little bit. more about like what your gut was. telling you and why you decided to go. against your gut? First of all, if you're trying to. decide, then the answer's no. If you. don't know yes, it's no and if you don't. love it, if if you don't love it, you. don't like it. No matter what it is. It. could be a shoe, a meal. If you don't. love it, you don't like it. And I did.

that more than once because all I I had. no role models as a good relationship. So, and and I've had my biggest problem. has been allowing someone to love me and. me convincing myself that that's enough. for the both of us. So, I've always. chosen instead of now being intentional. and choosing. So, my first husband who. was a great guy, I fell in love with him. because of how much he loved me. And so, I was trying to convince myself. because I just wanted anything but my.

childhood, so I wanted to be loved. properly and be with someone healthy who. would be a good father and I did it. again for the same reasons and now I'm. not. I'm going to not be with someone and. commit to anyone until I choose. So, right now no one's getting my commitment. even though people would like it because. right now I'm saying I need to be 100%. sure before I commit to someone. I'm not. and now I don't have the time to waste. Back then, listen, you're in your 20s, your 30s. However, this is working for people in. their 30s, too, because they might be. intentional about getting married and.

having a kid. 40s is challenging because. 40s is is is is a different age, but. like there are a lot of people in here. in 50s and a lot of people in their 30s. Um but you have to be intentional and. know what you want. >> But do you think um. which we don't need to get into the. whole thing, but I know with your ex um. who you had your child with. Um that was. a lot and it was very. from what I read, there you were. harassed and stalked during this divorce.

and your accounts were hacked. Like, can. you talk to me about what was the most. painful. but also like the hardest lesson you. learned from that experience? Okay, so first of all, there were just. the rules and guidelines. It doesn't. matter who the moneyed person is, you. must have a very very clear and good. pre-nup. You must invest in it. You must. show have shown it to five people with. experience. If you can't afford a good. one and a good lawyer, then you can get. that [ __ ] lawyer but have five people. who've been through a divorce look at. it. This is so critical, I cannot. express it enough because when you want.

to be out of something, you have no. idea. Second of all, you have to go with. your gut and cracks become craters. I. was You guys heard a little bit about my. childhood. It is nothing. Literally, I have seen my mother slit. her wrists. I have lived a life my whole. life of chasing her into bathrooms, trying to catch her throwing up. I've. been around guns, the mafia, the. racetrack. I've been through everything. A I've seen her beaten within an inch of. her life with a phone. I have seen.

everything. Nothing compares to what my. divorce was for 10 years. Nothing. It is. a That is child's play compared to the. trauma of someone wanting to torture you. and telling you that they're going to do. it and you are the person who's the more. successful, so you look like the. powerhouse tyrant like. optics look like this person's just a. victim and it and someone again with the. pawn as a child. Like it is.

so important. It was so traumatic. It. was 10 years of my life. I lost hair. I. I thought I was I thought I would never. survive it. I didn't want to. I had to. because of my daughter. I literally. thought I'll never be happy again. You. know, I will never have a I will never. and I and I I I treated it like a. marathon and I went one. mile at a time and I I checked every. box. I mean, it was it was fraud. It was. stealing. It was hacking. It was. harassment. It was abuse. It was.

Googling me 60 times a day. It was it. was staying in bed and staring into my. face. It was calling me every bad. character in in in the the books. Ursula. the the witch and you're ugly and it was. torture. And I cannot I would I. literally the only thing that got me. through was saying one day I'll be able. to help people. It was millions of dollars. That's not. even important. It was millions of. dollars. One day I'll be able to help people. Like it was it was you've no it was. literally. FaceTime to a toilet cuz like so I.

couldn't talk to my daughter. I know, Bryn, I know you you don't want to go. with your mama. I know I know you want. to be like it was torment from one. minute to the last minute of the 10th. year. I can and I don't even care if I get. sued. I don't care. Like every woman. needs to know. do not [ __ ] around and find out. It was. the worst thing I could ever wish upon a. person. I am so sorry because I can like I can. feel you in this room right now. Like.

the weight even just talking about it, it will live in you forever. >> every single branch and every lawyer. said they've never seen anything like it. in their ever. Like it was insane. Going. through this obviously the dissolution. of that marriage obviously didn't just. affect you and your ex. Like. you have Bryn and you have this child. that you share. Um can you talk about. like how you navigated conversations. with your daughter as you're.

essentially navigating this nightmare. and this monster and how have you been. able to help her kind of through that? Um I never talked bad in front of her. I. mean, she energetically I believe felt. it because it cracked open during the. pandemic when she was 11. You kids and. that's a lesson for people at home, too. Just because you're not saying it in. front of the child and that it's it. doesn't mean they don't feel and it. doesn't mean and for those of you who. have young kids and you think that.

let's say you have young kids and you're. going through a divorce and you think. like you can't win or you can't. you can't compete. It's a long road. Your kids will become. cognizant and they will understand. You. don't have to say it to them. You don't. have to prove it to them. You don't have. to You should never ever say a bad thing. about the other parent ever because it. is the worst thing you could do to a. child. It is it is the worst thing you. could do. So um I have navigated it by. always telling her that she is loved and.

um. you know, letting her know a lot about. what my childhood was like because. everybody has something and everybody. things things make you stronger and. you know, therapy is a big thing in my house and. and um I've been on it and she's a. beautiful, happy human being. She really. is. >> There is a lot of women understandably. who will. you know, fantasize about leaving one. day or fantasize about like, oh, I wish.

I could but like we have kids together. and all of this. And and of course, I'm. like You're not promoting divorce. No, no, no. And and not only am I not. promoting divorce, I also often. understand like everyone's situation is. different. I don't know your financial. situation. There everyone you don't know. your safety or all of this. But if it. was for a child that you're staying, from what I'm hearing from you, which is. like such a beautiful sentiment, is like. this child is eventually going to become. an adult and they can feel things. And. so don't actually just stay in something.

bad for the child because it actually. will alleviate so much more if you're. able to get out of that toxic situation. for them. Children want to see their. parents happy. Together, apart, they it's very hard and. people wait too long. And if there's a it's again back to the. toxic energy, back to negativity. You. know, it doesn't mean you should pull. the rip cord and I also believe in. working through and I believe in therapy. and I believe in phases and I believe in. the seven-year itch and I believe in. ride or die and I believe in honoring a. commitment and I Every time I hear.

someone say they've been together for. 20, 30 years, I I'm envious. I think. it's beautiful. I genuinely do. There. are. there are some circumstances that, you. know, my Nothing ever did better than my. divorce podcast. Nothing. It was the it. was it was out of control. Women are. begging and they are just they want. help. They feel trapped. They feel. suffocated. They can't get out and you. can get through. You just can't play. games. You can't have side shows. You. can't focus on the minutia. You have to. be very calm and cool and collected and.

get through. Like I said, it's a. marathon. You are one mile at a time. I. mean, Bethany, you're saying 10 years. like on a two-year marriage. Babe, if. you can get through that, a lot of us. can get through anything. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. >> you be open. to getting married again? Now, I say. yes. Which is a very evolved thing. Yes. I do I would get I would get married. again. I think there's a difference and. I always want to believe in hope and you. know, I believe in love. And also like.

there is a thing when. I believe in the gender roles because. there is a thing when a woman is more. successful and has more money than a man. and it can create dynamics that you. think in the beginning are okay and they. might not be okay later and um. I just really have your eyes open. Have. your eyes open and and go go with your. go with your honest gut, not what. society tells you. And not feeling shame. for wanting to get out of something. either before it or during it. It's.

beautiful. Um okay, last. What are you really. looking forward to in 2026? In 2026, I'm looking for I don't really I'm a. very I'm a in the moment present person. I'm not thinking about 26. I'm thinking. about today here with you. I'm not even. thinking about the next thing I'm doing. I love that. I I like to be in the. moment and be present about where I am. right now. I am so happy you came on my. show because I think I was hoping we.

would do a little bit of everything, but. I am always so fascinated by women and. business women and founders and women. who are making it in this industry. because there is no denying and I'm not. saying that our jobs are the hardest. I'm saying that like having public. opinion and a lot of like commentary in. your life, like it can either make or. break you and I think you're someone who. has been through the wringer and you've. gone over and over and over and over. every single mountain and all the things. and you're still here and you've. recreated yourself and you've also.

stayed true to yourself, but she also. has a sensitive side that I don't get to. see as often. So thank you for trusting. me and sharing your story. Well, thank. you. Can I say something to you? Sure. Okay, so a couple of things and um after. I'm going to spill some tea with you in. in the other room, but a couple of. things. Number one, um when a couple. people that I told I was coming on or I. might have done a video that I won't. post until it airs. I was like, she's a. boss [ __ ] and I've watched her work. Like there's an essence to you and. you've been busy both times. You've been. in a at a at a at a party with a bunch. of people and then we were at your at.

your show in in Phoenix and then Vegas, right? Um and I didn't get to talk to. you that much, not in a way that's like. I thought about it because you're you're. so busy, but I can see like the passion. and the integrity and the work and the. fact that you care about the details and. I really like I really get it, but but. but additionally and importantly for. sitting here, I've seen this with. different people. I've seen I remember. going on with Gayle King and her knowing. every chapter and having like bookmarks. in my book when I went on for my book.

and being like, "Wait, she like read the. damn book? How many book?" But here. today, the preparation that I can see. that you did that this is like a real. this is like your major job. Like this. is like your this is your primary. residence. Like it's I have said to. people have said they want to go deeper. into my podcast and stuff. Like I was. like, "That's not my main like I like. it. It's I like it, but like I'm fine at. it because I just sit down and just like. riff and it's like a throwaway, right? But like you deserve the success in this. podcast cuz this is like hard work. You're sitting here with like thorough.

copious notes and research and things. you knew about me that no one's ever. asked. So like you deserve your flowers. in this space cuz I very much respect. hard work and like preparation and like. you're. excellent. Like I shouldn't even be. doing this. >> No. I I I After this experience today, I. may like give my podcast to someone as a. charity. Like No, I'M BEING SERIOUS. >> NO, I appreciate that. I I really really. appreciate that and. >> Cheeto. Yours is like a. slow roast that's been in the oven all. day. Mine is like a [ __ ] bag of pork.

rinds. Takes 5 seconds and has no. nutritional value whatsoever. But both are so different and fun to. consume, but I I really appreciate that. and I appreciate you. Um it was so fun. to interview you. Thank you. Bethenny. Frankel, thank you for coming on Color. Daddy. Thank you. >> [music]. [music].