Ariana Madix: The Vanderpump Affair (Full Episode)

Daddy gang, I am so excited because. Ariana Madix is our guest on Call Her. Daddy today. If you are a fan of the reality show. Vanderpump Rules, you know exactly who. Ariana is. You don't need any preface to. this interview. You're ready to dive in. But for those of you who may not be. familiar and have never watched the. show, I got you. You're I get it. You're. stressing out. You're like, "I can't. watch this interview because I'm not. going to know anything. I don't know the. backstory." Daddy gang, I got you. I'm.

going to break this down for you so you. can follow along and also enjoy this. episode. So, here we go. Vanderpump Rules is a reality television. show that is on its 10th season. Naturally, with reality shows, there's. been tons of emotion and drama. throughout the years. And there have. also obviously been hookups, breakups, and cheating scandals, which brings me. back to my guest today, Ariana Madix. Ariana stars on the show alongside her.

former long-term boyfriend, Tom. Sandoval. And let me be so clear. When I. say long-term, Daddy gang, I don't mean. like, "Oh, they've been They've been. going steady for a couple years." No, no, no. I mean they were dating for 9. years. They bought a house together. They have. dogs together. They were planning on. freezing embryos together. And they planned to spend. the rest of their lives together. That is until Ariana found out that Tom.

on her for nearly 7 months. And Daddy. gang, he wasn't [ __ ] some stranger or. some chick off of Instagram. No. It is. truly everyone's worst nightmare. He was cheating with one of Ariana's. closest friends and fellow castmate, Raquel. A huge betrayal as well as a complete. and total blindside, but also [ __ ]. classic, right? The boyfriend and the. best friend are cheating.

Awful. This affair has been secretly happening. the entire time season 10 was being. filmed. And no one knew. But now, as we've seen, the news has. leaked. Everyone is dying to see how. this drama continued to unfold. Somehow. a new story is new every [ __ ] week on. this [ __ ] And we've obviously seen. glimpses. Almost every single castmate. has spoken out about this. They have. gone on podcasts, news channels, radio. I mean, this is everywhere. Even CNN and.

the New York Times have reported on this. cheating scandal. Apologies have been posted. Sides have. been taken. Everyone is extremely shook. and extremely invested. But the one person that we have not. heard from in long-form. and the most important person that we. need to hear from. for a sit-down, in-depth interview. is Ariana. I also want to point out, obviously this. is such a noisy scandal and everyone's. like excited to hear all I just want to.

remind everyone this is Ariana's life. This was her relationship. This was her. best friend. And when this happened, at the time, it. probably felt like her world was turned. upside down. So, even if you don't watch reality TV, that's okay because, unfortunately, this episode is extremely relatable. because it's about. cheating, betrayal, dishonesty,

manipulation, and heartbreak. So, Daddy Gang, I'm excited to give you. Ariana and I'm excited to give her a. space to open up and speak about this. and have a really open, honest. conversation. So, here we go. Let's get into it. >> What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your. founding father Alex Cooper with Call. Her Daddy. >> [music]. >> Hi. >> Hi.

Ariana Madix, welcome to Call Her Daddy. >> Hi, thanks for having me. >> How are you doing? >> I'm okay. >> Can you explain what the past few months. have felt like to you? >> Mhm. Um a roller coaster. I mean, truly like. the lowest lows, I think maybe ever, maybe since my dad died that I've. experienced. Um and then I wouldn't say. the highest highs, but I would. definitely say that there has been like. some really amazing bright spots. And it.

sometimes feels like I don't know, like. a ping-pong match in between those two. extremes. >> Right. >> I have a tendency to like. compartmentalize a little bit with. emotions. It's the Virgo moon in me. >> Mhm. >> Um but it's weird because also sometimes. when I'm like, "Oh my gosh, I'm doing. I'm feeling good. Like things are really. positive." Then people on the internet. will be like, "Why is she must have not. cared?" They're like mad at me for like. healing. But then they like you know,

but that's the thing is it's like. everyone's always going to have an. opinion about like how you should live. >> Totally. Something I want to talk about. is like I think so many people have had. something to say for so long about this. scandal. Like we haven't really heard. from you about like start to finish in. long form. your thoughts, everything that's gone. down. So today I'm hoping we can like. put it all into one. You're like, "Okay, let me just Let's take a little rosé.

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at-the-time best friend, Raquel? Like I. know you were at a concert of Tom's. His. phone fell out of his pocket. Someone. handed it to you to just take your. boyfriend's phone and hold it. Take us. from there. >> Um so they had like one more song after. that and so I was holding like my phone. and his phone just kind of as a stack. Um. and had no like there's nothing weird. about that. I mean, we were together for. 9 years. Like me holding on to his. phone, his. you know, his laptop, his, you know,

whatever is not weird. So they had like. one more song and then afterwards, um I got up to go over to him and tell. him like, "Good job." And. um give him his phone back and he was. talking to some other of the band. members. So, he's a little preoccupied. He's a little busy. And I was like, "Okay." And then literally I just in. that moment I was standing in the back. of Tom Tom and I just was like, I don't know I was just like. it felt like. I I like divine intervention or.

something because. you know, I've always been very hesitant. to become like the snooper because I. always feel like anytime you snoop in. anyone's stuff even if they're not. guilty of doing anything wrong, you. always end up finding something you. don't want to find or seeing something. you don't want to see. And I always feel. like it's a slippery slope because once. you look once, then you want to look it. becomes an addiction cuz I've been like. that in past relationships. So, in this. one I was always like, "I'm not going to. do that." And if I ask about something,

um I will. you know, take their word Tom's word at, you know, >> face value. >> Exactly. Like I will be someone who. trusts because I don't want to become. that version of myself. >> Totally. >> And so, but in that moment I just had. this thought like this like go do it. This is like. a time to do it. Um and so, I went into the bathroom at. Tom Tom. I went into one of the stalls. Um he had not changed the passcode on. his phone. So, I knew And that's the.

other thing is like we knew each other's. passcodes. We knew each other's So, it. felt like if you were going to be the. type of person who is going to have an. affair or be cheating or hiding things, you wouldn't also be so readily uh. giving of your stuff like that. Um and so, I looked in his messages. There was nothing weird in his messages. And I was like, "Okay, maybe I'm being. dumb." You know, and then I opened up. his camera roll and then that's when I. saw what I saw. And I like busted out of. the stall and there were like some girls.

in there that were just trying to go to. the bathroom. And I was like, "Oh my. god, I'm so sorry." And then because I. didn't go to the bathroom and I thought. they're going to think I'm leaving the. bathroom and not washing my hands. I was. like, I promise I didn't pee or. anything. I just and then I just ran out. of the bathroom and went straight up to. him and he was like, oh hey, do you want. to go smoke a cigarette or something? And I was like, yeah, I do actually. And it's funny because there's a photo. of him that I've seen like used in. articles and stuff and it's from.

literally the moment I was walking up. and his arm's like this. And. I see that photo and I'm like, that was. literally like the moment before. And. then we went and then he was very we. went straight out to the back behind Tom. Tom. That's when I confronted him. What the. [ __ ] is this? >> Okay, wait, pause for 2 seconds. Yeah. I. feel like no one is saying specifically. what the video is. Are you guys not. legally allowed to be talking about what. the video is? >> I don't know. Ask if he can. I don't know. >> Can I say what I'm speculating? Yeah, I.

can say. >> I think the speculation is in the camera. roll there was a screen recording that. he screen recorded while they were on. FaceTime of them having FaceTime sex. That. that's what I'm thinking and I think I. know is what it was. But you don't have. to confirm. But just to give people. context that may have no idea about this. drama yet. I don't know how you would, you live under a rock. But that so you. view something like that. Can you just. take me back in the stall? It's.

Bring me to the moment where you come. across realizing he's cheated on you. with Raquel. What were you thinking in. the stall? >> I was like shaking. Like full body like. just like. I don't know if it's anger, shock. Like. I think shock is a big part of it. Because I mean, I've been cheated on in. my life before and I've you know, caught. somebody before like that and like way. in my past and I guess it's like that. feeling I hadn't felt in like we're.

talking like 15 years and like it's to. describe but it's literally like a. combination of shock and anger and. somehow disbelief that this is like. truly what you're seeing. Um. And yeah, and then like there's just I. don't know. It's it's really like a a. huge mix of emotions. >> and like did you think. this was a one-off or did you. immediately think this has been a. relationship? >> no way that it could be a one-off given. the closeness of like all of our. relationship to her. You know what I.

mean? So there's there's no way and also. to feel so comfortable doing that on a. FaceTime. You know, there's no there's just no way. of of it being like a one-time, oh, we. just decided one day to FaceTime sex. Like. >> [laughter]. >> Right. Drunkenly I'm like, who should I call? Well, I'm going to call Raquel and just. like. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, no. Okay. So you start confronting. him. What does he say? >> He was very he wanted us to get into a. car. He wanted us to get into an Uber. and leave immediately. He was starting.

to call a car and then he took my phone. and then I was trying to get my phone. back and he ended up walking down Santa. Monica with my phone and I was in like. boots with a peel. So I was like. like freaking Usain Bolt being like, I. need my phone back. Like. >> Why did he take your phone? >> Because he thought cuz I was like, oh, I'm going to tweet about this. I mean, obviously I'm not. But you know what I. mean? Like you say things like that in. those moments. You're not like. >> Getting up I'm not calm about it. You. know, I was freaking the [ __ ] out. Um.

and he was very concerned about people. hearing us because obviously we know all. we know a lot of people in West. Hollywood. We know a lot a lot of people. at all the different bars and we were in. the back of all these bars and he was. very. concerned about people finding out. And. I was like, I don't care. Um why would I care? Who am I protecting. by doing that? >> So do you both get in a car together? >> Mhm. >> And where do you go? Home? >> Home. >> What happens in the car and when you get. home? >> So in the car we were so I called Rachel.

during all of this after I got my phone. back on San Vicente. I called her and that's when I was like. if you ever gave a [ __ ] about any woman. ever about me as your friend about. literally anything. you need to tell me like when this. started whatever like tell me I was just. hysterical. And she said that's when she. said the part about like after the girls. trip and I was like you mean when my dog. died like when Charlotte passed away is. what the girls trip was like the fact. that that is not even on your radar at.

all in describing this. And that's when. Scheana came up and that's when Scheana. took her phone and then said I'm going. to call you from my phone I'm throwing. her phone in the gutter. Scheana called. me from her phone I get in the car. Scheana's on the phone with me and then. he gets in the car and now he's on the. phone with her. So all all four of us. are on the phone together and it's. literally like why are you caring like. why are you on the phone with her like. who gives a [ __ ] about her right now and.

then that's when he he was just very. dismissive. very defiant dismissive of Scheana's. friendship to me and to him in that. moment like it was very much like just. and the poor Uber driver. >> We should get him in here. >> I remember at one point we stopped. and got a pack of cigarettes cuz I was. like I want to just I want to drink I. want to chain smoke you know what I. mean? >> Of course that you're like one of those. nights like please. >> and he went into the gas station and I.

was just in the phone in the car with. the Uber driver at that point and I was. just like are you hearing this? And the Uber driver was like yeah man. this is crazy. >> [laughter]. >> Uber driver was like woah but like give. me five stars. >> Yeah like it was just. >> So you get home and this is the part I. think I've seen the world be so. fascinating because you guys live. together You own a home together. So you. both go home that night and is it just. like a screaming war till like you fall. asleep? >> Essentially, yeah.

>> Do you sleep in the same room? >> No. No, not at that point, no. >> So you sleep in a different room and. like when you're by yourself, like. what were you thinking? >> Oh, I mean, well, I made sure to text. close friends of mine and of his because. I was like, I am not going to be in a. position where and luckily because of. the Sheena of it all, like at least it I. was like, no, we're not keeping this a. secret. >> Other people knew. >> Yeah, so I was making like texts were.

slowly trickling like, what is what is. happening? Are you kidding me? I mean, I. didn't sleep. I mean, I didn't lay down. to sleep until maybe like 6:00 a.m. That. was how long we were like going at it, I. guess. And he was just mad at me pretty much. the entire time. >> That's also I when I've been cheated on, it's like when someone that has been. keeping a secret for so long gets called. out, all they've been doing is lying and. so I feel like their natural response is. lean in harder to like trying to. gaslight you, trying to distort your.

reality, like trying to make you feel. crazy somehow and like not take. accountability and somehow you're like, how are we fighting? How are you yelling. at me? Like you [ __ ] my best friend. >> Yeah, and I'm like screaming, crying, throwing up in this moment and you're. just like annoyed at the whole thing, basically. >> So that night ends and what we do know. is like when this happened, you guys. were not filming anymore. >> No. >> So how long after this happened did the. cameras finally get in there?

>> So this was Wednesday night and so it. was Friday morning that cameras were at. my house. >> Because what I could notice because. we've all been through a breakup like. that is like the conversation in the. finale that we watched felt more like a. breakup than like post morning, like. literally go [ __ ] yourself, like [ __ ]. you. >> that little bit of that fake face. >> The final conversation between you guys, it was infuriating, I think, for the. nation to watch, because he's blaming. you, being like, I lost my mojo, we.

never had sex, like I wasn't myself, I. wasn't happy, and he was quite literally. taking no accountability whatsoever for. his actions. What was it like sitting. there listening to someone as you're. hurt tried to deflect all responsibility. for what they had done? >> Uh it was awful. It was brutal, but it. was also what he'd been doing for that. past 48 hours up until that moment. So, I almost kind of like knew that that's. where he was headed. But then, listening.

to it in the moment, not knowing what. other people around me are thinking when. they hear it, I'm like, is this am I. you you like you start to really. question your own sense of reality. And. this whole thing had me like I did not. at that point, like that 48 hours, especially that night, that Wednesday. night and that Thursday day, like and. going to that conversation, without having any other like witnesses. or and also being in this position where. it's like my partner of 9 years and one.

of my best friends, like I my sense of. reality was gone. Like I just did not. know like what was up and what was down. at that point. >> You were very vocal this season about. defending Tom and Raquel when people. would come to you and you like had their. backs. If someone would have come. forward, and I know this is a. hypothetical, but if someone would have. come forward and told you about the. affair, do you think you would have. believed them, or do you think you had. to like see it yourself to believe it? >> I think I would have believed it if it.

was told to me off camera. Or if it was told to me, you know what. I'm saying? Because I think to some. degree a lot of what I felt was rumors. and rumblings was, which has happened. before. People being like, "Okay, I. heard a little something about. something, but I'm going to bring it up. because that's our job is, you know, we. bring up everything that we hear about, and a lot of times it's nothing." And I. was like, "Well, if it's nothing, I'm. not going to have like my friend and my. boyfriend be like dragged through the. mud.". >> I get what you're saying. It's almost.

like being on reality TV for so many. years, you become almost more accustomed. to This is obviously for content. This. is for the show. This is for the show. This is drama. This will like you're not. actually going to believe that kind of. [ __ ] So, if it was genuine, it would. have come off camera. >> Right. Or it would have come Yeah, it. would have been a friend who's like, "I'm going to end up bringing this up on. camera.". But I need to tell you first because I. think it's actually really real. And I. think that that's something that like my. close friends would have done. >> Okay. I got it. >> Okay.

I do want to take a step back because as. much as we're talking about like in the. weeds of like this affair, you were in a. relationship for 9 years with this man. >> Mhm. >> And you guys were friends before you got. into a relationship. What was it that. first initially attracted you to Tom? >> I just thought he was so earnest in. everything that he did, and I found it. really like endearing that he would be. over the top in. making a cocktail or over the top in.

just everyday parts of life. Like I. thought it very endearing and and sweet. almost. Um and I also thought he was a really. good friend to the people close to him, and I thought that that was a really. good quality. >> Yeah. How would you have described your. relationship with Tom to someone? >> I would have described it as like. we used to call each other like. apocalypse buddies. You know, like the. person that all [ __ ] goes to hell, and. this is the person that you can rely on.

that you want with you, who's going to. continue to like make you laugh and get. through all of what life has to throw at. you. And like honestly, even right up. until me finding out about this affair, like even during while the affair was. going on, we were still like laughing. together, you know, having like our. little we had so many like little inside. jokes and things like that. And I mean, if you were to go through like either of. our camera rolls, you would see just. like so many. even during the affair, amazing fun. memories together.

>> What was your sex life like in the. beginning and then like as your. relationship progressed? >> I mean, in the beginning I was. definitely struggling with I was very. excited that someone was like really I. thought really into me because the. relationship I was in previously, um that sex life was fine, but at the. same time I was being like criticized. very heavily about my body, my. personality, just everything. Um and so I was like, "Oh my gosh, this. is someone who's like really into me.". And so that was very exciting. And I.

think that our sex life waxed and waned. at different points. I definitely think. that, you know, it got to a point. sometimes where, you know, I just wanted that quality. time so bad. And I just think that in my. mind I thought, "Well, if we get through. opening this bar, if we get through all. this stuff, like then we'll be able to. have all this time together." And I felt. like he just was adding more and more. things to his plate. And I would just. didn't I don't know, I felt like I'm.

like, "Oh, well, he's just not into me.". >> Yeah, it's like you lose the connection. almost and I think that's something cuz. there's so many things you just said. First is from your past relationship. going with someone that was very vocal. about things they didn't like about you. or your body or your personality. Like. that takes a toll on your. self-confidence. So then to meet this. guy that's larger than life and funny. and jokes and is so into you. It's like. I totally understand that allure. And. like you feel like alive and like happy.

and good with yourself. In the season, I think probably one of. the hardest scenes for women. specifically to watch was that scene. with you and Raquel, where you open up. to Raquel as your friend at the time. again to people watching Ariana did not. know about the affair yet, and you voice. that you feel insecure about your body. and you say, you know, why would he have. want to have sex with me? And for and. watching her. speak to you knowing she was [ __ ]. your partner is so painful to watch, but.

I. when I watched that, I felt so bad for. you because I'm like, did Tom not make. you feel confident and make you feel. good? >> It felt like, you know, he would. complain about frequency of sex, and it. felt like he wanted to have sex, but I was like, but do you want to have. sex with me? Is it about me or is it. just about the act? And that's where I. was like, okay, so but what is it about?

He wasn't really great with like the. words of, you know, like descriptors. I'm like, be specific. Like, what do you. like, you know? >> Right. Like, like, what do you like. about me? >> Yeah, like I need to know those Like, I. want to know those things. Or I would be. like, okay, well, do you like, you know, people have said that they think I have. a nice ass. I don't know if I agree with. that, but do you agree with that? Do you. And he would like be very turned off by. the idea of me like being like, can you.

Do you like like that part of me or. like, what are the part you know? >> Right. >> And I think that it wasn't coming. necessarily from a place of like he. didn't like my body. I just don't think. he knew how to express or maybe that's. just a disconnect there in like love. languages or how to like. click in that way because. >> I get what you're saying, but I also to. any [ __ ] guy listening to this, it's. like when your partner is so clearly. being like, I need some reassurance. I.

don't know the last time you've given me. a compliment. That's also like a hey, wake up like you want sex? Well, why. would I have sex with someone that I. don't know the last time I felt like. pretty in front of you. >> like can you objectify me maybe? >> Like call me [ __ ] hot. >> Right. Or like he would say things like, oh, nice outfit. When I was naked or. changing, he'd be like, nice outfit. And. I'm like, I get the joke, but like. that's not. >> It's not. >> connect That's not going to like. >> No. >> really get me there. >> Something that really pisses me off is.

when men try to justify their cheating. by being like, but we weren't having. sex. Like I need to get my fix. somewhere. And like it's so often that. women are deemed as the problem. And of. course a guy went and cheated. Like you. weren't having sex, but it's like. >> Oh, yeah. >> But why weren't you having sex? And so. was there ever a point where Tom or like. this situation as you kept hearing it, like we weren't connecting, we weren't. physical. Was there ever a point where. you were questioning was that your.

fault? >> I mean, I think in the past I would have been. inclined to do that. But because I was. had been in therapy and for years at. that point, I knew and couples therapy. with him by the way. >> And the couples therapist literally sat. across from both of us and said, this is. a him problem. This isn't a you problem. You know, there's certain things I have. to take accountability for in the. relationship, but when it came to stuff.

like that, it's like, no, this is. something that he's going through, that. he's dealing with. And don't take that. on yourself. Like just please don't. Cuz it is my inclination to be like, I'm. not enough. You know, we all have that. lie that we Whatever the big lie is that. we all tell ourselves. Mine is the not. enough lie. And the therapist was like, please don't. do that. >> Right. This actually has nothing to do. with you. >> Yeah. >> I know hindsight is obviously 20/20 and. it's like you can look back and try to. but like. were there any.

signs of red flags in the beginning of. the relationship that you now see? >> I think in the beginning it was like, you know, he likes to go out a lot. Um. and I thought that that was just like. the phase of life that we were in. Um and I would have thought that nine. years later we would be in a different. phase. I think I'm in a different phase. of my life. I still like to go out and. have fun. I go to festivals, I party, I. have a good time. But like as far as.

like going out during the week just for. the hell of it. It's not anyone's. birthday, it's not you know, it's not. like a dinner and drinks, it's just like. a. I that's just not where I'm at anymore. and I thought that we were in that phase. together and then we would come out of. it, but I feel like. >> He never grew out of. >> He didn't really, yeah. >> When you look back, I know a huge. conversation on the internet is your. relationship with Tom started by him. cheating on his girlfriend Kristen. You.

guys kissed. He lied to you and was. like, "I'm not with her anymore." but. then it turns out Kristen was like, "We. were fully together." So and people are. like, "Oh, you lose them how you got. them." Like he cheated on Kristen, he. cheated on you. Like how do you feel. looking back at how your relationship. started and how people are now like "Are. you that surprised? Like he did it to. Kristen, he did it to you.". >> Well, to be very clear, I didn't lose. him. He lost me. So that's. right there. Sorry. Um but I think that.

I trusted in him so much even like as a. friend back then and I trusted him so. much like during our relationship that I. trusted his perspective on things and I. think that I was caught up in whatever. he told me the the whatever it was that. he was telling me was what I was going. with. Like that's not to say like I'm a. smart girl, like, you know, I could have. dug deeper, but I didn't. Um Kristen and. I are very close and I love her so much.

and their relationship, as she will tell. you, it was very toxic and there was a. lot of cheating on both sides there, whatever. I love her. She's amazing. She's a very strong, incredible woman. and she has become like just such a. force. Um I think that it's something. that just goes to show that that's kind. of maybe. just what he does is he says things like. I tried to end it or I'm you know,

things like that or oh, we're broken up. or things like whatever it is, I would. like to think that maybe this thing. that's happening right now will prevent. him from ever doing that again with any. other person. just because I think it's time to put. that little tactic to bed. >> Uh-huh. >> But yeah. >> When you look back, I'm just thinking. like. do you think he's a pathological liar? >> I mean, it's hard to say I mean, clearly.

in the last 7 months he was a. pathological liar. >> Yeah. >> It's now hard for me to look back at 9. years and if I tell myself he's a. pathological liar, then that means that. the last last 9 years of my life were. potentially a lie, but he did say stuff. on that finale episode to Scheana like. we weren't happy and we bought the house. as a band-aid. I'm like, a band-aid to. who? Cuz that wasn't where I was at at all. Um or things like there were a lot of. things from his perspective that were.

have been said in that episode and. otherwise that it's like, oh. okay, well that's maybe how you were. thinking, but that's nowhere near where. I was. >> Right. And also we're in a relationship, so you should have shared that to me. because I would have loved to known that. cuz I probably wouldn't have bought a. house with you. If you were like, "Just. to be clear, babe, this is a band aid.". You'd been like, "The fuck?" Like. >> I'm in like, "Okay, well, maybe we. should fix our relationship then now and. do that. >> Right. Not do Yeah.

Couples therapy. >> Mhm. >> Um you and Tom got into couples therapy. this past year and. >> After he started the affair. >> After After. >> Full-blown at that point. I didn't know. that, but. >> So, when you got into couples therapy, you had no idea about the affair. You go. in and he claims he initiated it. Is. that true? >> Initiated couples therapy. >> Yeah. >> Yes, but it had been brought up by one. or both of us through the years of. being together. >> Yeah. And it's since been revealed that. he got you both into couples therapy as.

part of his eventual plan to end the. relationship. What explanation did he give you as to. like why he was so gung-ho ready finally. for couples therapy? >> I mean, he was just we got into an. argument one day. Well, you saw on the. show, we had that conversation on the. couch. And it was that conversation and then. like one other one that we had where it. was like, "I think we should go to. couples therapy." I was like, "Absolutely, I would love that. We. should do that." But it was those things.

and those conversations that led us to. that Yep. to going. And I remember specifically one session. cuz we would do joint and we would do. separate. And in my separate sessions, I. was doing inner child work. I was. sobbing with her. I was I mean, I felt. like I was making leaps and bounds. And. he even said, "Oh, we went to couples. therapy and our relationship got so much. better.". >> Right. That's. >> But like, it's like, "Well, duh.".

>> Right. Right, like it's almost like a. little counterintuitive that if he. actually had the intention of ending it. with you, why the [ __ ] are you going to. couples therapy? >> even saying after one of them I was. like, "Okay, so there was a session. where. it was it got really intense. It felt. like maybe we were ending. And at the. end of the session she was like, "Okay, so. is this, you know, a breakup? Are you. guys And he was like, "No.". So, that's where it's like. I I don't.

I don't know. >> Can you Do you mind sharing like when. when you guys are fighting like because. obviously you're not fighting about the. affair, what were your issues in the. relationship? >> My issues is that I felt like he was not. choosing me over like random nights out. or that he just wasn't coming home. Like. he would want to just be at Schwartz's. for no reason. >> Well, I have [ __ ] no. >> Just, you know, having beers and. whatever or coming home and then, you. know, I'd wake up and I'd be like,

"Where are you?" And I would like go. down he's just downstairs like. >> Having face time with her? >> and probably. But like, you know what I. mean? It was just like the absentee. boyfriend without and the I have to do. this for work. I have to, you know, it. was just everything was coming before me. and before the relationship and I felt. like and I needed that connection and. that stuff that all that stuff in order. to be physically intimate and I knew. that physical intimacy was something. that he was saying he was lacking. So. I'm like, "I don't know how I can meet.

you. where you need to be when I'm not being. met where I need to be like how do we. figure this out?". >> Right, it's almost like you both. couldn't it was a circle. It's like, "No, but come home earlier." He's like, "No, but like I'm miserable cuz we don't. have sex." You're like, "But we need to. hang out in order to have sex." And it's. just like it would. >> Like what I said on the show I was like, "I can't teleport. your dick into my vagina from the bar. because if you're at the bar and I'm at. home, like I'm here, you know, maybe I'm. ready and you're just not there. So how. do we do this?". >> Right. Like we can't actually physically.

do this if you're never present. >> cuz I thought exactly. So, yeah. >> So, Tom did mention on that how we Bendel. podcast, like, things did shift. You. started to make an effort. Like, what. did you making an effort in his mind do. you think look like? >> I think I just was doing my best to be. present and. going out with him more and trying to be. more fun party time gal.

Um, you know, I was just trying to be, I. don't know, like. fun and hot, I don't know. >> Right. Dude, and like, how the [ __ ] did. you feel when you were doing that? >> I mean, part of me was just like, I. mean, this is fine. I was cuz again, I. was still doing like that inner child. work and it was. you know, I felt like that was really. helping me just be like, I love myself. and I'm, you know, doing, I mean, that. like really changed the game for me. >> Yeah. When you say doing inner child work,

like, obviously share what you're. comfortable with, but like, what was. something that you were like really. struggling with that was clearly like, you felt bleeding into your relationship. that you were like, I'm going to work on. this [ __ ] cuz like, I want to be whole. and good with myself. >> I think. like this sense of perfectionism. because, I mean, I love my dad, but my. dad also like didn't come home after. work and stuff. And I was always like. straight-A student, super overachiever, and I think like, going back and looking.

at it, a lot of times I did those. things, I mean, maybe because I wanted. people to be like, I'll be there. So, I thought like, if I could be the. perfect girlfriend, the perfect. girl, that they'll come home. They'll. want to be around me and I'll be enough. I won't have to be me tap dancing, doing. shrooms and hang gliding, I can just be. me and that will be enough. >> It's Isn't it so [ __ ] when you get. into therapy also? You're like, "Oh my.

god, like is it this obvious of like I. I'm dating a version of my dad or like. I'm dating a ver- You're like, how did. this happen?" Like my dad didn't come. home, Tom's never [ __ ] home. >> Like my Yeah, I mean, I I hate to spill. speak ill of my I love my dad. He's a. great person in so many ways, but he. would, you know, sometimes just be like, "Okay, well, there's a random dive bar. down the street. I'd go do that instead. of coming home and helping with. homework.". >> But it also makes sense, Ariana, because. weirdly we are attracted to things that. are familiar to us. So, it's like if.

that is what you were growing up with, weirdly you're like, "Oh, I [ __ ] got. this with Tom. Like I know how to deal. with with this. I know how to. >> it the the right way like, "Oh, I can do. it right this time. I can kind of do it. all over again.". >> And be better. >> And be better. >> And actually he'll come home. Watch. Like all the And then it's like, actually you deserve so much better than. that. >> not on me. It's on. >> No. No. >> Yeah. >> You want someone that's actually wants. to come home, and you don't have to beg. them to be like, "Come on, like show up. Be there.".

>> Right. >> You said that you hadn't considered. ending the relationship before all of. this came out. Were you truly happy in. this relationship? >> I don't know. I think I was a version of. happy that I thought was. I don't know what I wanted. And I also. felt like the bones of the relationship. were good, and I felt as though. the potential for the relationship to be.

just incredible was there. And I think. it was the potential and the Okay, if we. can make it through this time. The Fred. again song, uh we lost dancing, I. literally the night that Tom or that. Schwartz and Sandys had the like their. last like opening thing, I was driving Tom home, and I was like, "Just listen to the words of this song.". And in the song when uh I think it's a. blasting Madonna says, "If I can make it.

through this next 6 months, what comes. next will be marvelous." And I literally. was like, "If you can get through this, if we can get through this opening of. this bar and whatever, what comes next. for us will be marvelous." And I. I. just cannot believe that he'd already. been. having At that point he was already. I don't know. But. >> Dude, it's it's must be such a mindfuck. where you're like, which I also want cuz. I know I've done it too, where like I.

remember when I was getting cheated on. and I didn't know it at the time and. you're making such an effort and you're. like, "I feel so [ __ ] stupid. Like, how dare" and it's like, "No, no, no, you're not stupid. You were trusting the. person you were in love with.". >> And so it's like you also have to wrap. your head around like this wasn't your. fault, but it's like also crazy now that. you remember these details of you. putting in so much [ __ ] work and. being like, "We got this, Tom." My only. question though is like, 9 years. Now when you look back cuz you're like,

"Oh my gosh, like I was like, you know, I was obsessed with like the potential.". Like I really wanted the potential. 9. years in. if you're still fantasizing about the. potential of what a relationship could. be, do you now have any ability to look. and be like, "Hmm, if I didn't". >> Mhm. >> You know what I mean? Like or did you. feel it in the first couple years and. then it dropped off? Like was it always. like this? >> I feel like. things would kind of they would they. would wax and wane. They would be ups. and ebbs and flows. And I feel like we.

would have so many amazing times. So. then if there was like a couple weeks. that were like not great or if I was. like, "Hmm, unsure about something.". There was so much other stuff that was. great. Or I would be like laugh We would. be laughing hysterically about something. or. that it was almost like I think hard to. say, "Oh, this person's not right for. me." because I also had never been in a. relationship that long before. So, it's. hard to know like. what is it supposed to be like, you.

know? Because past. I I think my my my longest adult. relationship previous to that was I. think like 3 years or so. So, it's like. past that point, this is uncharted. territory. God, and I'm thinking, "This is what it. is." You know, when you're with someone. for 9 years, when you're with someone. for. maybe potentially 10, 20. >> Right, like a [ __ ] decade. >> decades. you know, things are going to be hard. sometimes. >> I get that. I actually think that's like.

really relatable of like you try to see. the good cuz there is good. But when. it's ebbing and flowing, you have to be. like, "We just have to stay strong. through the hard times. Like we just. have to make it through this.". >> that who've been together for 50 years. who have never cheated and you're like. they're like the greatest love story of. all time. >> Right. >> "Okay, yeah, they said that we had some. hard times." Like sometimes you have a. year that's hard. >> Right. >> And I, you know, especially this past. year I went through a lot and I felt. like "Okay." And he was going I felt.

like we were both on our own going. through these things. And so, I thought. like we'll get through this together. because I mean, I'm committed to this. man and. but. >> you know, he. >> Yeah. >> He had a whole other relationship going. on. >> Right. >> This season we found out a lot about. your relationship. There you had talked. about like how at times you would go. through his phone and he was open with. you and he would hand it to you or then. we found out on Watch What Happens Live. you were like, "I have the iPad. password, you [ __ ] idiot." Like.

they're always so stupid. Um and Tom. mentioned you guys were only having sex. four times a year and you were living. pretty separate lives. Were you lonely? >> Yeah, but no because I had my best. friend So, he would be so jealous of me. hanging out with my best friend Logan. >> Right. >> And he would be like, "I feel like a. third wheel when I go out with you. guys." And I'm like, "Well, because you. you go outside and you are on the phone. or you're do you know, you. >> Yeah. >> And so, it's like I don't want that for.

you, but. >> Right. >> So, I filled that I filled that absence. of him not coming home. and not wanting to do the same things. that we wanted to do, I filled that. absence with. the most incredible people I know, which. are my friends. >> Which is like. such like also a beautiful thing that. you had great friends, but also kind of. like clearly a deflector of like instead. of being like we why are we never. hanging out? I'm just going to hang out. with my friends, which is great. We love.

your friends. >> Right, cuz he was going and doing that, you know, and it was just like or but. honestly though, the separate lives. comment. >> Yeah. >> to me is just so not true. >> Mhm. >> I mean, to some degree, maybe yeah, but. when you're saying like I have to work, I'm trying to open this bar and oh, I. have to go to dinner with Schwartz and. Brett because we have to talk about the. bar. And then, oh, I thought you were. going to be home right after dinner. It's 12:00. Like, what are you doing? Oh, we just went to get drinks next door. at Bird's. You know, like things like.

that and it's like, "Okay, well, but. then if I again, my camera roll and his. camera roll, because I have it. >> Right. >> Um. if you look at it, it's we're still. we're going to concerts, we're going on. dinner dates, we're we are there is some. there is effort being made somewhere of. like, you know, >> Right. >> felt like it just wasn't enough. I don't. know. >> No, I got it. You obviously mentioned you went through.

a rough year. You lost your grandmother, you lost your dog. I'm so sorry. How were you mentally grieving during. that time? And like what was your. relationship with Tom when you were. grieving? Cuz I know you've been open. about like when you lost your dad, Tom. was there. He was like your rock. He was. in it with you. He was like the person. for you. And this time around was very. different. Were you concerned at all? Or. were you just like full grieving? You.

didn't even like give a [ __ ] and pay. attention. >> Yeah, I was full grieving. Cuz my. concern, well, with Charlotte, my dog, um he was there with me. He held her as. we said goodbye. Um we literally said goodbye to her. together. And then we went home and. I put on my comfort movie, which is Love. Actually, and we drank wine, and we laid. on the couch together, and just like. mourned together. And I so I thought we. were like fully on the same page there.

I also know that like when it comes to. was the summer, we do have to, you know, we have to film. We have to go do stuff. We can't just We can't stay at home. forever. And so a lot of times it'd be. like, "Okay, well, I have to I'm going. to go film this I have I have, you know, boys' night or this or that." And I was. like, "Go do it because this is what we. do. And. I maybe I'm not ready for that yet, but. you go do it." Exactly. Um and so I definitely had no idea that,

you know, he would betray me during that. time cuz I thought he was also grieving. When it came to my grandma, I was so concerned with my mom, so I. flew home to my mom, and then I flew. back, filmed the rest of the season, which was like 1 week left. And then I. flew back again to Florida and was there. for like 2 weeks. It was during the. Hurricane Ian and everything, and I just. I just extended my stay. um beyond the service and everything. And I just my concern was really just my. family. >> When you were.

grieving your grandmother, isn't that when Tom and Raquel. apparently were like at your house or. something having sex potentially? >> Potentially. >> Potentially. >> I mean, he. has maintained that that's not the case, but I don't trust what he says. >> They FaceTimed me, the three of them, they FaceTimed me that next morning. Like before any filming or whatever. So, I was already aware that she had stayed. the night because she It was like, "Hey, good morning. Yeah, I stayed the night.".

Like it like it was just no big deal. >> Is that one of the most painful things. for you aside from the actual fact that. they were having an affair? Like the. casualness of just like, "Hey, girl, we're going to FaceTime you together.". And they're your best friends, so you're. like, "Hey, guys." And they like. literally just [ __ ]. >> Mhm. It's the duplicitousness. It's like. the. it's the backstabbingness. It's like. less about like an affair You know what. I'm saying? It's. It's so layered. And it's just really. bizarre, as well. Like it's just like I.

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Tom claimed he tried to break up with. you multiple times. And your response would be, "I'm not. going to let you leave. You're going to. have to force me.". That it. There was only one. Okay, so we tried. >> Okay. >> He's talking about those conversations. that we filmed. So, the one on the blue. and the brown and white and then the I. don't know if that looked like try an. attempt to break up. >> That No. >> It didn't look like it to me. And then. there was another scene that didn't make. it to air that was pretty much along the.

same lines and that was where we like. decided we were actually going to go to. couple's therapy or whatever. That. doesn't That's not an attempt And then. that was in September. So, then we had. literally all the way up until. just. Valentine's Day. I'm like, "January? No. Valentine's Day is in February.". >> Right. [laughter] Okay. >> So, I'm like, "What day is Valentine's. Day?". >> Where are we? >> What's happening? Valentine's Day, he. got me flowers. We went to Schwartz and Sandys. He. pulled out a bottle of wine from our. first trip we ever took together. So,

obviously also after we had celebrated. our 9-year anniversary at Musso and. Frank's on January 1st. Like full you know, like we we went out. We had a our anniversary dinner. Happy. anniversary. Like great night. >> Right. Like. >> Like we we were having sex in January. like multiple times. So, like. So, also to confirm to everyone that's. not following all of this drama, it's. like Tom really honed in being like, "I.

was really trying to break up with her. Like I was trying. >> sleeping in my bed and buying me flowers. and we're going on anniversary dinner. and like going to couples therapy and. all of that. So, the the Valentine's Day. thing that he has referenced. >> Yeah. >> Um again, got me flowers. We went to. Schwartz & Sandy's for dinner. Um brought a super special bottle of. wine that was special to us. >> Mhm. >> Um I got dressed up. I put like little.

hearts on my face. Like he was like, he. was like, "You look so cute." Um we went. out for drinks later. Rachel showed up. Um as did a few of our other friends. And then we went home and we were. started kissing and he was like, "I have to stop you." And then that's. when he we had this breakup. conversation. Then at the end of that conversation. that was hours long. And the end of that. conversation was, "All right, well, let's continue this conversation.". You know, and he was saying things in. that conversation like,

"I think I. I'm having a midlife crisis." Like and. I'm like, "Absolutely." And I said, "If. we break up, I'm probably going to quit. the show. I will probably leave Los Angeles. I will probably deactivate my. Instagram.". And he found that to be like very. offensive. He was saying like, I I don't know like. I am was never saying that I was going.

to kill myself. I was saying that my. life this life will be over for me. because I will go do something else. I've been fantasizing about moving to. like the French countryside since I was. a [ __ ] child. And like honestly, to. be fair, like in the conversation it's. quite tearful. It was definitely not. like a positive conversation. >> Right. >> But I'm not talking about physically. harming myself. And given the fact that. we had that conversation over many, many, many hours, he knows that that's not what I was. saying. It's not just like one comment. and then we stopped talking.

So, the fact that I feel like so many. things that I've said, not just in. confidence, it's just me and him. Like. we could sit here and war of words all. we want. It's my word against his word, right? Okay, that's fair. But at the same time, it's like knowing. me and knowing the conversation and. knowing the conversations we had in the. days after that where you were still. sleeping in my bed and we were still. going to con- we went to a concert on. February 19th. And there's videos that. he has of me like dancing in the living. room and, you know, so it's like. Okay, so why are you sleeping in the.

bed? Why are we continuing to hang out? Why do we have any sort of relationship. if to you, now you're going to go on a. podcast and say, "Ariana knew we were. broken up.". It's just like, in my opinion, I was. like, "You know what? I feel great about. us having this. >> open. I I was really a rough. conversation. >> It ended with, "Let's keep talking about. this." Um, the next couple of days we. had more conversations. Um, I said, "You are going to have to If you. think this is over, you will have to be.

the one to end it because I'm committed. I'm actually thinking that this is like. the potential for us to like be even to. be great because we're talking about. stuff now that we haven't talked about. yet. Like we've never really gotten this. this far down this road before. So, yes, if you want it to be If this is. over to you, like. you are going to have to like you're. going to have to do this. You're going. to have to leave. Like that's not crazy. That's like a. Like not all I don't we don't have to. mutually agree upon the breakup. You.

know what I'm saying? Like. >> Not only is it not crazy, Ariana, that was going to be my next question of. like I think the whole world watching it. when Tom looked at Sheena and was like, "I can't break up with her because she's. threatened to kill herself.". First of all, my problem with that, even if you had. said that, which I appreciate you. clarifying, but again, you didn't need. to because it's like, number one, that's.

a huge [ __ ] allegation to make about. someone's mental health and to just. casually say on a show when that's not. the truth or it was the truth, shut the. [ __ ] up. >> dealt with suicidal ideation before and. I have been in very, very deep, dark. places before. Um. so to then. be flippant about it as if that's also. something about me that makes me like. deserve to be treated poorly is is. pretty awful, I think. >> I. couldn't agree more. I also am like, when you saw that clip, how how did you.

feel? >> I mean, it made me angry, obviously. And then. what Sheena said was like such a thing. Like, even if that was exactly word for. word what I had said, which no, but if. it was, why did you do absolutely nothing to. help at all at all? Like, why didn't you. call my mom, my brother, my friends? >> Right. Instead, you [ __ ] my best. friend. >> Right. >> Tom knows. you have shared that you have struggled.

with your mental health. >> I have, yeah. >> You have He has clearly been next to you. while you're going through things. >> And purported to be my supporter. >> Mhm. >> partner in that. >> Why, if you were going to break up, why do. you think you would leave everything and. move? Like, do you still Well, now you. did break up. You're not going to do. that, right? Are we going to the French. countryside? Like, where are we going? Where are [laughter] we going? Where are. we going, Ariana? >> I'm down. >> But like, when you said that to him, you really were like, "I'm out.".

>> Because I didn't want to do. I didn't want to do all of this. on my own or without him and I didn't. want to like. just kind of like be like, "All right, I. guess I'll move and do an apartment in. Studio City." And you know, I just was. like, "That's not what I want." And I I. was like, "If it this is going to change. my life dramatically not being in that. relationship, then I want to change it. dramatically.". >> I get what you're saying. It's like I. also appreciate I think a lot of people.

can relate to this. Randomly sometimes. when you have the worst fights of your. life with your partner, it does feel. like you can see the light at the end of. the tunnel cuz you're like, "We have. never been this candid. We have not. spoken in this way." So almost it allows. for a dialogue where you're like, "Weirdly we went backwards to kind of go. forward. We're having progress.". >> where I was at. I was literally where I. was at because I'm also thinking to. myself, a 9-year relationship.

is not a relationship that ends. on a with a drunken Valentine's Day. But. by the way, we were wasted when we got. home that night. So I'm like, "That's. You don't just have one wasted. conversation. >> and end a 9-year relationship. >> So. >> Right. I. >> But to him I he was clearly And. obviously in that conversation there was. nothing brought up about him having an. affair with anyone let alone. So it's. almost like the whole thing the whole. thing was nonsense. And I remember.

asking him I was like, "Why did you get. me flowers if you were like, 'I'm going. to break up with her'?" And he was like, "Well, I really I wanted to get you. flowers. You just I was like, "Oh my. god.". >> He really It really feels like he really. wanted to have both. >> I think so. I think he was very. committed to the double life. >> I agree. Cuz do you actually believe he was going. to end it before the reunion? >> I don't know. Honestly, it's like hard. to know. I do think that. I've seen.

I've seen some things. I've learned some. things even after filming the reunion. >> Come on. Give us the tea. >> Um one of those things is. um. a text message. from Rachel to Tom saying, "I just. talked to. a mutual friend. I won't name them. And they said that. you should be honest with Ariana. Maybe. not so much about all the details like. sleeping in the house together. But that.

she deserves to know. about this." And then it's like, "I love. you. You got this.". >> Oh, so kind. Just so so generous. >> So, I think it was only in that last. little bit there right before I found. out that it was even I that it was being. workshopped. >> Right. That's when like when I saw that. they they were like, "We were going to. do it before the reunion." Because we. could never sit in front of her and let. her defend I'm like, "Bro, that's what.

you've been doing. You've been sitting. in front of her and letting her defend. you and Raquel and everyone. It's like, why would the reunion be any [ __ ]. different?" Right. Oh my god, I [ __ ] hate this [ __ ]. Okay, throughout this season there were. numerous comments from castmates about. the dynamic of your guys' relationship. Again, before the the affair came out. In January, you had to set the record. straight that you and Tom were not in an. open relationship. Why do you now with.

all the information, why do you think. that rumor started? >> Honestly, I think it came from him. I think that which it's been denied. I'll say that. But I think that. so it came out that day that all. everyone was at my house um. that you see on the show. That I mean, obviously these. conversations that are 2 minutes on the. show are like 2 hours plus. And. sometimes there are things that are said. that are way worse.

than what is on. >> Like Bravo, give it to us. [laughter]. What the [ __ ]. >> Like his and I my our conversation there. were things that were. way worse. And then in that conversation with all. my friends, I think it was Scheana was like, um so. one of our friends back when this stuff. started coming out and rumors were. rumbling, it was apparently. Rachel told. a mutual friend.

that. she thought me and Tom were in an open. relationship because apparently he told. her that at one point. And then when. that got brought up, he was like, absolutely not. I never said that. And I. was like, well, you should probably take. that up with your little [ __ ]. girlfriend cuz she's the one who told. that to someone else. And I And you know. what she said to that someone else? She. said, even if that She's like, I mean, I. don't know if that's true, but I would. way rather hook up with Ariana than Tom.

And I think she said that because she. was talking to a guy and she thought it. was like hot hot to be like to say that. And so when Tom was like, I never said. that, but I'm like, well, don't ask me. I'm not the one. That's bring information that's being. brought to me that she apparently said. So. >> It's weirdly. I do think in a strange way that is. helpful to know because that narrative. now knowing what we know, it's like that.

didn't get put out into the world by. like no happen chance. Like it's not. like everyone's like Scheana and Brock. are in an open It's like, you know what. I mean? It's like. now knowing. >> There's like a kernel of something that. was planted somewhere that turned into. something else. >> Like someone [ __ ] knew. it was an open relationship, but it was. one [ __ ] side. >> There's one person. >> [laughter]. >> Cuz the other person's like, "Absolutely. not.". >> Like. >> I would have loved to have known. I. would have been like, "Let me know so I. can like You would have loved to know.

like many times earlier so you're like, "Oh, let me get on the same page. You're. [ __ ] Raquel. Got it. I'm out." Like. he was operating telling people that. probably so that it wouldn't get back to. you because it's like an unsaid thing. >> Bill, then they must have some sort of. like trust, some rule, and so I'm not. going to bring it up to her." I mean, that sounds fairly likely to me. >> Absolutely. Katie at one point said something along. the lines of. "Ariana doesn't care. She just cares. when people talk about it, and she. doesn't want to look dumb." Comments.

like that insinuating you and Tom had a. different relationship and understanding. off camera than on camera, and those. comments were pretty heavy throughout. the season of like they've got this. thing on the side that no one talks. about. I remember Lala went on a podcast. and was like, "They are the most. different off camera." Like. How does that sit with you? >> I mean, to be honest, and I do love. Katie, and I do love Lala, but those. were people who were not really in our. inner circle like whatsoever for the. last many years.

And I don't think anyone within our. inner circle would ever say anything. like that. If you were to interview Logan or Brad. or even Scheana, they would not say. that. And those are people that we spent. like a lot of time together with, went. on trips with, things like that. So, I mean, I get to them maybe they think. that that's fine, but they were not in. our inner circle. >> Prior to the scandal, there had been. other rumors of Tom cheating with other. women, and it was disclosed in the. finale that you did know about one of.

them in Miami. You guys weren't. official. You talked about that. Now. knowing who Tom really is, how many. people do you think. >> I don't know. There was one years and years ago that I. I got a DM that was like. Tom hooked up with my friend in San. Diego. And I was like and I brought it. up over and over and over and over again. cuz I was like, "I'm drilling. I'm.

drilling." And I And it was like, "No, absolutely not. No, no, no." Like, you. know what I mean? It was like really. just a no. That now I'm like, "No, I. think that was a yes.". Um and then. there's specifically the one that he. said, "Oh, yeah, there was one other. time." I'm like. 99.9%. sure I know exactly who that is, also. >> But that being said, how many, like, I I. don't know because it's like. I don't know. There because I feel like.

he was so. I mean, there was stuff that he was. getting away with that I learned out. about like within the last. month. >> Like what? >> Like bringing Rachel home to St. Louis. >> When did he do that? >> Um apparently more than once. >> While you were dating? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, his family knew? >> It's hard to say like what exactly they.

knew or when they knew. I think they at. one point they knew, but they were like. definitely not condoning. And he wasn't. He was like putting her up in like a. hotel. >> Um Like, how diabolical to bring your. side chick to your home? Like. >> Mhm. >> Like And were they not afraid of papa. Like, what? >> I guess. I mean, it's St. Louis. I don't know. I don't know. I'm like, "Do they have. those there?" [laughter] But, you know. what? That being said, there were some.

rumblings even before I knew that if. whether or not that was true, there were. rumblings of that on the internet. So, definitely somebody had seen something. at some point. >> What do you think about the Billie Lee. situation? >> I do not think that anything happened. there. >> Um I don't. And I The reason I don't is. because. I mean Billie Lee I Okay, I understand. that this sounds crazy because Raquel. was someone I loved and trust You know. what I'm saying? >> Right, you're like but. >> but I do really I trust that Billie Lee. would not do that.

>> Have you asked? >> She has We've talked about it. >> Okay. Okay. >> Yeah, based on people saying things. online, she's been Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Has anyone reached out to you since to. be like. I also hooked up with him. >> Um they have not. >> Okay. >> I haven't had anyone do that. >> Okay, that's good for your mental. health. >> Or are they scared? [laughter]. >> Are they scared you'll be like, on. caller daddy like, yep, Britney from. [ __ ] Australia said that like. >> [laughter]. >> no, dude. >> Honestly, I would not if a girl if any.

women did do that. >> not. >> I would not put them on blast because. honestly, at the end of the day. as much as I think that they suck for. doing that cuz they knew we were. together. Um. it's the responsibility of in my opinion. of the person in the relationship. >> I also think weirdly now knowing the. drama of like the open relationship. rumor he may have been putting out. What. what I've always said like. men when they want to put their penis in. something, they will say a like a.

married man will be like, no, we're in. the middle of a divorce. Later he goes. home to his wife. Like. >> She sadly she. passed away. >> Yeah, she passed away. [laughter] Like. Ariana Grande's mom. >> Literally like she's not. >> here. Like he we don't even know how. he's it's already so diabolical how. crazy it's gotten that it wouldn't be. surprising if every room he walked into. in order to get a girl like it was like, we're on a break or we're like it just. it's it's I [ __ ] hate men. Okay.

Does. being completely honest with yourself. >> Mhm. >> Do you think you ever subconsciously. turn a blind eye? >> Yes. Yeah. But I think I was given a lot of. assistance in doing that because I would. bring things up. and I would be shot down. And or I again with the oh, let me see. your phone.

I think that I was given a lot of. assistance in that. You know what I. mean? Like. and he he even said on the show like, "Well, she didn't follow me." It's like. how much effort should I be putting. forth in a relationship? Should I be. stalking my partner. >> Yeah. >> in order to know for sure like what. they're doing? Like. >> I get what you're saying and I think. also to women listening like. we talked about. you going through his phone and there. are no texts. So, it's like at what.

point. you have to just trust your partner cuz. then you start to actually feel crazy of. like, "Am I being just like so. untrusting?" Like. >> you're like, "Am I just like a [ __ ]. bitch?" Because now I'm being you know. that person that's just so like so what? And am I their mom now that's going to. be like every time they come home am I. going to be like, "All right, let me see. your phone." You know, like that whole. thing and it's like. >> And then you start to feel like the.

psycho and they become the more normal. one that's like, "You're so crazy." Like. >> Well, and then they get to use that. against you later on. So, it's like. you're either not. psycho enough. to like not figure it out. >> Uh-huh. >> or you're so you're too psycho and. they're like. >> They know how to hide that [ __ ]. >> Now I'm going to break exactly. So. >> They're like, "You're so crazy. Here's. my phone. Look." And it's like. well, then open the iPad if you didn't. delete those messages. Did Were his. messages connected to his iPad?

>> No. >> Oh, you're so uh. >> And you know why? Because at one point. they were and it was just like we just. get so many and it would just be dinging. dinging dinging and so it was like we. got to turn that turn that off. This was. years and years ago. It was just like. the amount that that I know. But the. Find My iPhone app. I you know, could see where the devices. all were located. Um. and they were always located somewhere. that they should be. >> Uh-huh. >> The band rehearsal space or Schwartz's.

apartment. >> How much of the affair do you think. happened at Schwartz's house? >> I think more than Schwartz is willing to. let on cuz. the recording was at Schwartz's. And he apparently felt real comfortable. there. >> Uh yeah. >> In that sad sad apartment. >> In that [laughter] sad sad location. Yeah. That's. [ __ ] gross.

>> Yeah. >> Um. do you think. you kind of touched on this a little bit. earlier but do you think you were so. quick to defend Tom. not just about this like through seasons. you've always had his back. You've. always been ride or die and I think so. many people including myself respected. you for always being like I'm going to. stand by my [ __ ] partner but do you. think that you would be so quick to. defend him so that people wouldn't think. less of him or so that people wouldn't. think less of you for being with him?

>> Both. >> Yeah. >> Definitely both. Because I didn't want people I always. saw a side of him that I felt like. wasn't. apparent on the show or on social media. or whatever. I always felt like I saw a. side of him that was like the home side. And so I always felt like if. people could just see that part of him. they would like they would get it, you. know? And then in turn, yeah, I mean for. people to think less of me, I mean I.

don't I don't want them to be like, "Oh, this girl just sucks at picking guys to. date.". >> Yeah. >> Although, I mean. >> No, we're [laughter] we're leveling up, Ariana, okay? Like it's it's getting. better. I've seen, it's gotten a lot. better. Um when you look back on your. time together, are you able to see any. good or has what he's done completely. tainted him and as the human he is? >> Uh. I don't think I'm there yet.

>> Mhm. >> Although, some of these edits on TikTok that come. on my for you page that have like. ceilings that ceiling song is playing. and it's like cute clips of a um like. like I can't because I feel like I mean. in that regard I'm like, oh, that's. maybe almost getting me there. But I feel like I mean he even said, "Oh, because I've done this, then that. that negates everything else." And I was. kind of like, I mean.

it kind of does. I mean it does. I hate to say it, but. when you have an affair, you you cheat. like that, I do think it does make it. very hard for. the any for me to look at the. relationship with any level of like. nostalgia. Maybe years from now, but. >> Yeah, it's also again like the level of. like truly. lying and actually having what seemingly.

no remorse almost between the two of. them, you can't help but wonder and I. think the whole world was like, "What. else has this [ __ ] done over. these nine years?" It's like this is the. one we know about and then oh, there was. one in Miami and then there was one in. San Diego. It's like, "What else?" Cuz. he's good at [ __ ] keeping it close to. the chest and he has no [ __ ] issue. lying to your face. So what else was. there? Like I get what you're saying. It's like. That's that's difficult. That's.

difficult. >> And it also makes it feel like you look. back on on the relationship and times. that you did think that were good, that. were happy memories. and you think like well, did they didn't. really like me or respect me during. those times, right? Because. I don't know. >> What do you miss about the relationship? >> Um I would say. inside jokes. Yeah, being goofballs together. The fun funny just stupid stuff.

>> Yeah. >> That like comfortability of like you. like the same language. >> Yeah. >> Like we know each other. >> Mhm. >> [snorts]. >> There's a deleted clip from Vanderpump. of you, Tom, and Raquel in a hot tub in. Mexico and you say it looks like we're. in a thrupple. That feels like a. foreshadowing now knowing what we know. What specific moments did you have to. look back on or you look back on now. that you're like whoa, something so. [ __ ] shady was going on in that exact.

moment and I I didn't know. I didn't. know. >> That one in particular. >> [laughter]. >> That That's the big That's the big. >> fingering her in the hot tub and you're. like don't even. >> [laughter]. >> This is hilarious you guys. Like I'm so. drunk. I'm like this is so funny. And by. the way, his whole thing about like. skinny dipping and. hang gliding, I went hang gliding and I. clearly went skinny dipping. Like I. don't know what the hell you're [ __ ]. talking about. Anyways. There's that. There were times where we.

would have like a bunch of people over. in our house. and we have a guest bedroom and that. guest bedroom gets used a lot by a lot. of our different friends. and her being one of them and we would. be like we would have friends who would. be like bring over the dog. So like my. brother would come and bring his dogs. and. our friend Jesse Montana would come and. bring Indio which is like my dog's best. friend and. Rachel would bring Graham over who is. honestly a terror. >> He bit me before.

>> Like mother like son. He's not there. He's not a well trained dog. He's kind. of a little jerk. But we would let it go. because we're like that's our friend's. dog. Like maybe he'll fit and she would. always purport it to be like it was. because like maybe like when her and. James had him together that maybe like. it was the way he was raised as a puppy. and I'm almost like clearly James was. not the problem. Like I tried to like. move the food bowl and he will try to. bite me. Like he's crazy. He's very cute.

>> But it's not his fault. >> It's not his fault. >> Right. The owner's fault. >> And bring your dog. >> Yeah. Anyways, we would have people that would come. over, stay in the guest room, stay on. our couches. Like it was it's a very. normal thing. And sometimes I'd be like, all right, well it's like. 2:00. I want to go to bed. Can we like. turn the music off or can we my poor. neighbor. has so many times been like, hey, like. and I'm like I'm not I'm not even down. there anymore. I have to like go down. there and be the person that's like, can. you please? And it it just was like so.

annoying. Um and there were times where I would. like go up to bed or whatever because. it's late and I have a life and a career. and responsibilities and you know, 28-year-old failed pageant queens don't. And so they'd be able to stay up super. late and hang and have no reason to get. up the next morning. And that's fine if. you weren't [ __ ] my boyfriend also at. the same time. And there were times like that where if. I could go back and be like, why are.

like what's going on? You know, things. like that. >> Do you think they ever had sex while you. were upstairs? >> Yes. I do. I I they had sex in my guest room while. I was sleeping in my own bed that he and. I went to bed in together and then he. left the bed and went to the guest room. and [ __ ] her. Yes, I believe that. >> God bless you. God God bless you. Ariana. That's like.

trust issues. Like how like [ __ ] [ __ ]. him. >> Mhm. >> Cuz. how do you even begin to like. trust someone after like that level of. like nine years with someone and they're. that [ __ ] comfortable in the home. that you co-own? >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. And like when people say Tom's. house. I'm like, "Excuse me?". It's my house. >> Uh-huh. >> We own that house equally. So, I don't.

ever want to hear that. >> In one episode you said Raquel is kind, sweet, and loyal and has just been a. delight since the day I met her. How. would you describe her now? >> Oh my god, lost. Lost. Um I mean, I don't know her. >> Yeah. >> I realize now I never knew her. But I certainly don't know her now and. we don't I don't know anyone who does. know her. And so, it's hard to say but. based on what I've seen, lost and empty.

and just um. potential I I don't know. >> Yeah, I think a lot of people. >> to say cuz it's like I don't really know. what's going on. Some of the behavior. has at times seemed sociopathic but at. the same time I'm not really sure like. what is the real deal. >> Yeah, it just sucks that you were kind. of in the middle of something that. someone that has clearly no remorse. >> Mhm. >> was involved in. the destruction of also your. relationship. >> Sure. And I at the time was like I kept.

telling her like it's okay to to make. mistakes. It's okay to like. [ __ ] [laughter]. >> You were so nice to her, Ariana. Do. Raquel and Tom make sense together to. you? >> No. No. I mean, unless he has changed everything. that he has ever said that he's looking. for in in someone. Um then no. >> How did you feel watching them on screen. together in Raquel's apartment? Like.

that was the first time we all kind of. see them able to romantically interact. with her like, "Oh my gosh, this is so. weird. We can't kiss on camera. together." Like. How did it feel watching your partner of. 9 years just literally the day before I. think it was look at you being like, "I'm going to her place. Yeah, I'm. going." Like also just so shameless. >> the way, after he filmed that scene with. her, he came back to to my house. and it was essentially I mean, you saw. how many flowers were there. So I There. were probably like 15 people there. I.

still had not slept, still not eaten. My. friend Janet came got all kinds of She. was making French onion soup to like cuz. it's my favorite and especially I love. hers. Yeah. So she's making French onion. soup. Our friends had all brought over. like wine and we were just watching Drag. Race and every It was It was essentially. a funeral, right? >> Yeah. Because these were all also people. who were friends with him and were. friends with her and they were like, "We've lost these friends because we. cannot like in good conscience. There's. no There's not They They we've lost them.

as well because we don't want to. There's no. >> Wait, I can imagine. If he's willing to. do that to me, is he willing to do to. you? >> Exactly. Diabolical. >> I can understand. And so he walked in. the house after filming that scene, yelled at everybody. This is his house, too. He broke He referred to it as a party. that I was having a party. I went to bed It was like 9:00 p.m. I. finally fell asleep on the couch. He went upstairs. Kristen and our. another one of our mutual friends, Courtney, had to be like, "You should.

probably go. Like why are you here? And. then eventually he left and there were. paparazzi shots of him going back to her. apartment after. So, he came back to the. house, yelled at everybody to like get. out of his house, and blah blah blah. And then we find out later on he was. definitely like tuning into like the. cameras in the house to like watch. Like, we were doing literally nothing. >> You're calling it a party, we were. having a funeral. >> Yeah, exactly. >> You're done. Bye. >> So, but that scene was very cringe on so. many levels. And I think it was that.

scene and that that conversation that I. watched that made me when you asked me. like, "Does it make sense to you?" I was. like, "No.". >> It was awkward. >> Yeah. >> The whole thing of her being like, "I. love you." And he was like, "No, I said. they love you, but I love you, too.". Like, how did you also feel knowing that. they said to each other that they love. each other? >> I mean, I kind of knew that before watch. I mean, I knew that before watching it. that that was like. >> where they're at. >> Yeah. But. it was cringe. >> Tom misses you?

>> Um yeah, I do. >> Do you know that? Like, has anything. been said? >> No. >> You just know. >> I just feel like. as someone that he would go to for. advice on mostly everything. um up until like that moment or I just. think that there's no way that he. doesn't because he's been making a lot. of like very questionable decisions over. the last 2 months. And he doesn't have that like sounding. board or that advisor anymore.

>> What is the extent of an apology that. you've received from each of them at. this point? >> Hers was. like a nothing. Hers was a text message that was very. like, "I just don't know what to say. except that I'm sorry." Like, that was. it. That was that day. It was March 3rd that. I got that one. That was that night I. went to a concert. Um went to see Tove. Lo. My friends were like, "Let's get you. out of the house. Let's go just do. something fun and then we'll go back and.

we'll heal, but. um and then at the reunion, it was very. um. subpar. It was like a rehearsed speech and I was. just like, shut the [ __ ] up. >> Right. It's like someone told you to say. these exact lines. Like, nothing is in. inside here. >> Yeah, nothing had clicked. I didn't feel. like it was genuine. >> Also, that kind of text message, you're. like, that is the kind of text messages. you send when like you were a [ __ ] the. night before cuz we were drunk and you. said some things and you're like, I'm. really sorry. I don't know what to say. I'm embarr- You had a.

almost a year affair with my boyfriend. Like. >> Mhm. >> Maybe you should send multiple pages of. an explanation and like. Okay, and what about Tom? >> Well, obviously you saw how Well, I told. you how that that night went. Um. the next day, not much better. And then. that scene that you saw, which was 2. hours and there was a lot of like way. worse. things that he said. Um. >> Like what? Like, what is he saying? >> Like at one point he was like, oh well, I'll keep con- taking care of the house.

like I always do. >> What is his obsession with like the. batteries and the [ __ ] toilet paper? He's like, I take care of this house. Like. >> He has an assistant. >> Like right, you. >> She goes and gets the Like, he says, hey, we need this and she goes and gets. it. Like, it's not like. >> Right. >> He's spending every back with. >> I literally saw a Tik Tok of a of a girl. being like, how to not get cheated on. 101 and she's stocking the house with. like batteries and toilet paper. I'm. like, if only Ariana had stocked the. toilet paper. >> Right. >> Maybe Like, he acted as if like that was. a huge point of contention and like why. he cheated. He's like, she would never.

stock the house. Like, Ariana didn't do. these things and you're like, bro. >> Yeah, like over the last 2 months, I've. noticed like there was one day I was. doing I think I was I was shooting spawn. con like downstairs at one point and all. of a sudden he's like, asks his. assistant like, does she know where the. ladder is? And it was by me, so she. brought it and he's like, I'm just going. to change the filter on the air. conditioner. I'm like, "What? You. wouldn't do that now cuz you It's like. now you have this thing you have to like. uphold that you like do all these. things.". >> am the man of the house." It's like. chill.

>> Yeah, so. >> It's so cringe. Um. would you go back and change anything. you did? >> Honestly, I want to say. no. because I feel like. Listen, I've seen people online be like, "She wasn't perfect.". >> Well, obviously. Who is? >> She's not innocent. >> Okay, I don't have to be. >> Um I was very much a committed.

partner in this relationship. Faults. What is it? Warts and all. I was very. much committed and I feel like I was. doing my absolute best as a partner. Um. but. I don't think I would do anything. differently just because I feel like. all I can do is my best. and whether my best was good enough or. not for. anyone, um that's what it was and I feel like. yeah, I could have been less trusting. I. could have been more paranoid or I could.

have been I could have followed or I. could have. bought pens and batteries or whatever. But, um. ultimately, I think that if I go back. and try to like change all the things. that I woulda coulda shoulda. I mean, I. would never stop. So. >> Do you think that had you not caught him. do you think you guys would still be. together? >> It's hard to say in this moment because. you know, there was this. There was a plan.

Um still together. I almost think no given that I know. about this plan now. >> Can you explain what the plan was to. people? >> was. I think. to end the relationship under the guise. of like that Valentine's Day. conversation. Um for that to eventually stick. Eventually that would be the that was. the end game to. break up with me without any mention of.

any sort of affair or cheating or. anything. Um whether that was pre-reunion. or not or pre-going to film Winter House. or not. And then. you know, go about whatever and then they would. just start dating. >> Yep. >> But the narrative that he was the victim. in our relationship or that I was just I. just suck. So. um. would have already been planted. I think. that was part of like a there was a.

master. >> Right. plan. >> Yeah, it's a little wild to see like how. much he was working it towards the end. there. Like you guys weren't really in. this season that much and then to watch. like halfway through or even a little. bit farther than halfway through, he. just is coming out of the woodwork. complaining to Tom. Oh my gosh, we're not connecting. We. don't have sex. I don't know like it is. pretty diabolical now that you watch it. and like oh this was a whole plan. Set.

the stage. I'm not happy. We don't have. sex. We don't connect and then end it. and then and all he thought was going to. work perfectly and thank [ __ ] God it. didn't because it's disgusting. >> I know. I'm actually like there was. >> at one point um. I think it's him or Schwartz had said to. me at one point like, "I'm so sorry that. you found out this way." And I was like, "I'm so glad that I found out this way. because if I had found out the way that. y'all had planned,

it Are like are you kidding? Like it. would have been. I would have been just a cog in the. machine of of this whole narrative. This. whole thing. >> Do you ever think back to like that. night with the phone and you're like. thank god. >> Yeah, and I also think. what the what was it? It felt like like a beam, like I hate to. say a lightning bolt. >> No, literally. >> But it really truly felt like a.

lightning bolt of do this right now. And. it's like I don't know that's why I say. like it felt like a some sort of divine. intervention because like and I'm and. I'm not like a I don't really believe in. God. >> Right. >> Like I don't I'm not a religious person. by any means. There was something that. just went like something went off and. it's so weird because I don't know how. to describe it because like so many. other times I would have been I could. have. He even asked me that. He was like, "Why. didn't you go through my phone, um, you know, when I was sleeping or.

whatever?" And I'm like cuz I just. didn't ever want to do that and be. sneaky like that. Like I don't want to. be sneaky and that makes me feel. >> sneaky. >> Mhm. But, yeah. >> Thank god. A woman's intuition is never wrong. >> Mhm. >> Um, what have you now uncovered that. repulses you about this whole situation? >> Um, the flying her to different places. Um, I know that she was that Watch What. Happens Live appearance where Schwartz.

was covering his mouth and acting all. weird. >> Yeah. >> It's cuz she was in the hotel room. She was there in New York. I know for a fact. He was He was so. He was using like other people's credit. cards and things to like like basically. making them pay for things and then. Venmoing them later so that like. it was just really messed and I and you. know what, honestly, it makes me really.

upset because I feel like he put. people in a position that they felt like. they. didn't know what to do. Um and I feel bad because I feel like if. that just I can only imagine how heavy. like how much that weighed on them. >> Yeah. >> Like this was a whole [ __ ] operation. that he started to get running where. it's like the credit card here have. someone book her in the hotel like it. was like. who knows how much farther it would have.

gone. >> Sure. And having the band and the. touring and stuff like that I feel like. cuz they're very easy way to be like. well, I have to be out of town and then. she could then be flown to wherever that. >> Mhm. >> show was. >> Mhm. >> And I would have no idea because he's. coming home exactly when he's supposed. to come home. Of course he's out late. playing a show like there's nothing. about it like he's very was very good. with with that. >> It does start to make you wonder was the. is this band just a whole cover for this.

affair cuz like objectively I know you. were in love Ariana but like. it's not great. The band's not great. >> like it's gotten well, wait has it. gotten worse? [laughter]. >> Or did did you just open your eyes? >> Or did I not? >> Can you now just like unbiasedly look at. it and be like. that those were love goggles. >> Yeah. And now we flicked them off and. you're like. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Don't need to watch that anymore.

>> No. >> Um do you know if there was a night ever. that you had sex with Tom this the same. day he had sex with Raquel? >> I don't know that. I don't know that. Oh, that would be. >> Yeah. Extra therapy sessions for that. week. >> Yeah, I would love to know. Um. >> Do would you. >> Well, well, I've already I've already. had my pen I'm I'm good. >> Okay. >> Um. >> Right. So, now it would just be like oh, of course like an LOL moment. Right. We've already gone through the worst. Now like just like the details just. become like oh, that's. >> But then you see like sometimes it makes.

me laugh because at this point it's like. it is so. Again, you ask that question and I'm. like. >> I don't see so, but it seems like a no. >> Right. Right. I don't know. >> The reunion airs this week. >> Mhm. >> How did you feel going into the reunion. and how did you feel walking out of it? >> Um I felt going into it like. it had only been like what was it? Okay, March 1st, we filmed the reunion March.

23rd. >> Mhm. >> It had already felt as though it. it felt like there was like a a wall, like a divider had built had been built. somehow between. the current the past and the present. And that feels so weird and maybe that. is again like a compartmentalizing. coping mechanism, but. it also felt as though going into it we. were all on the same page. Like and.

that's never happened. So that I felt. gave not just me, but Scheana, Lala, Katie, James, we all had this like vote. of confidence amongst our each other and. we all knew that we were all on the same. page with that and so it felt. it felt like a a boost of confidence in. that way of just knowing like I don't. have to sit here and question on whether. or not I'm right or not wrong or if. Lala's right or wrong or if James or. Scheana or Katie's right or wrong. We. know and we feel that like deep in our.

gut and that right that felt good. Um. It was weird I mean honestly that that. three weeks was like. really [ __ ] weird and so. to go into a reunion and I'm A not. sitting sitting next to him, but I'm. also not. like he would say stuff and I would be. like. cuz normally I'd be like, well, what. he's trying to say. cuz he'd he'd always almost like needed. a translator at times because he would.

have an opinion that we had we had. talked about things, you know, at home. And so I I understood where he was. coming from or like what he was trying. to get at. But like then he would voice. it and no one else could get it. So I. would be like, okay, so what he really. This is what we're what he And so to be. there and. like sync yourself [ __ ]. >> What was it like sitting and having to. listen to Raquel? >> Painful. And not painful in the sense of like.

she hurt my feelings. Painful in the. sense of like I really did not feel like. she was connected to the moment or. reality at all. I really feel like. again, then, March 23rd that the two of. them, both of them, somehow, maybe it. was like they were feeding it to each. other cuz I don't know who else would be. they thought. people are just mad. >> Yeah. >> I'm a little mad at you and like we'll. be fine. Like I think that's like where.

both of their minds were at. And so the. the gravity of what they. had done or were doing or whatever, it. was just not hitting. at all. He was still I mean, look, I. think she just. I don't know. And I told her I was like. I mean, I don't know why you're sorry. now. You thought you were hot [ __ ] when. you were doing it, right? You thought like, are you kidding? >> Uh-huh. >> So.

>> How would you describe your emotions. during the reunion? >> I was angry. Um. at times I was sad. But I honestly think. that the biggest thing that I felt that. there was like a question that was asked. towards the end that I was just like. I was so grateful for for friends, both. the friends that were there that day and. otherwise. Um and I honestly a lot of it felt numb. in a way.

Um. because it felt like. as angry as I was, it was almost. difficult to connect to. Well, once you go angry, it's very hard. to like come back from that. >> Um and yeah, that's where I was, I. think. >> Was there anything you went into the. reunion with of like. I'm making this up. Like I'm not going. to look her in the eyes or I'm going to. make sure that I don't look him in the. eyes. >> I was like, I'm not looking at either of. them. I will communicate to Andy or to. Lisa if I have to look in that way.

Otherwise, I will speak to the the. emptiness. The the sound stage. >> Was that like your only strategy? >> that was me. Like I was like, I'm not. looking at either of them. And then. eventually a couple times I did, but I. mean that was. >> You were like Was that your main thought. going into it? >> Yeah, it was just like I will not speak. to them. I will speak. like I will answer. >> Right, but I'm not even addressing you. >> to Yeah. >> my I get it. Um. did you feel like you were able to get.

closure from the reunion? Um yeah, I honestly felt like I had. closure before that, before the reunion. And then at the reunion, I mean. I said what I felt like saying in the. moment, but I honestly felt as though. everything that happened. I think I even said it. but it didn't make it to air, but I was. just like, you this happening. I mean, you made it really easy for me.

to just not give a [ __ ] about you. Like breakups are hard. You miss the person. You know, you think what could I have. done? What could they have done? Are we going to get back together? You. know, you have all these things, right, when you go through a breakup. But when something like this happens, you're like right. Like there's. literally nothing about that person. Even if I missed him like in the first.

few days like even that feeling of. missing him. that's not who whoever that is is not. that person. So. >> I feel like that's also a good bit of. advice for people listening that maybe. be going through something similar of. like. sometimes weirdly. the more that the person hurts you in. terms of how they decide to betray you, you can find some type of hope of like. that just made it so much easier to. never look back. And that is even more.

hurtful to [ __ ] person that [ __ ]. with you cuz it's like it would have. been like if I kind of if you [ __ ] up. a little bit and we had a fight and then. we did like. he closed that door. You didn't even. have to [ __ ] push it like that door. shut. And I almost think that that was. why the the elaborate plan. was what it was is because then I would. then I would want to get back together, right? Or I'd be sad or I would be, you. know, struggling. >> No, it's thank [ __ ] god. Thank god.

Yeah. Was there anything specific. that was really hurtful. that he said to you? >> Um. >> that you kind of can't shake still. >> I think. it was the. it was the way that he weaponized any. struggle I've ever had with my mental. health. That to me was like the most. hurtful. >> Call Her Daddy is brought to you by.

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like and I'm very like. cuz I've talked to like our showrunners. and stuff and I'm like I think I know. like what the deal is, but. >> Right. >> I am like not entirely sure. >> There's a couple There's a couple things. out there. >> Uh-huh. >> Raquel's pregnant. >> I I don't think so. >> Affair started during James and Raquel. era. >> Maybe. >> Right, but like then that's Is that that. crazy? >> what difference really would that make? >> all hate them. We still hate them. Okay. Um Lisa knew the whole time. >> I don't think so.

I I don't I don't think so. >> I have. >> She would have brought Here's why. >> Mhm. >> She would have brought that She would. have brought that up. >> Right. Like I had a. >> early on. >> Mhm. >> Because again, there's a lot of. speculation of like things being staged. and whatever. >> Right. >> This all happening after filming just. from a just from a logistic production. standpoint. Not to mention the fact that. like this is my real life and these are. my real feelings and this is something. we're really going through. >> Right. >> But for those naysayers, just from a. production standpoint, >> Yeah. >> something like this happening months and.

months afterward not filming and there's. no cameras around and they had to borrow. from Housewives of Beverly Hills to even. film after, that is a nightmare for production and. for our show because. they want every everything that's going. to happen, it's like you want that to. happen in real time while we're filming. >> Cuz otherwise, you lose it. It's gone. It's hearsay or it's this or you know, something happens off camera, that's. like not ideal. >> Right. >> So again, if Lisa knew, she there's no.

way. That's not possible. >> the last one I have written down, which. I think is I mean, this would be [ __ ]. awful. Raquel hooked up with Brock. >> Oh, no. No. I don't think so. No. >> No, there's no way. >> What is something that could come out. that would make you not want to go back. to the show? >> I mean, anything that like makes me feel. unsafe. >> Mhm. Mhm. >> Or for my dog to be unsafe and something. like that. It's like anything. safety-wise. >> Yeah. >> would be I think the only thing that. would make any of us be like, we're not.

coming back to film. >> Yeah. >> But, I mean, I can't see that. >> what the [ __ ] I know, I guess we're. going to see. >> I kind of have an idea. >> Do you want to tell us your theory? >> No. >> You can't [laughter] I'm like, you Okay, you'll tell me off camera. >> like, then I really won't come back to. film again. >> then you're really kicked the [ __ ] off. and I get sued, so that'd be fun. Okay, but you think you have an idea. >> Yeah. >> Is it as bad as everyone's speculating? >> I don't think it's something like that. crazy or that wild, but. >> more drama. >> Yeah, I think so, but I don't know. Cuz. again,

>> Like, you could. >> it, so I don't. >> I get it. Okay, let's get like happy for. 5 seconds. Okay, because. what I. >> Should we have more rosé or have some. rosé? >> bit Yeah, let's let's pour more rosé. What I appreciate in you being really. open today is like. I said to you when you walked in, this. is sadly really [ __ ] relatable. I. remember sitting on the bed in New York. City and being like, he hasn't done. anything. I just have the [ __ ]. feeling. The divine.

>> I need to. >> And I looked him in the eyes, Ariana, and I said, I need you to open your iPad. And he's like, I'll give you my phone. I. said, no, the iPad. >> Oh my god, so what was it on the What. was the. >> Fully. having a sexting nude with his. nutritionist. He was a professional athlete and he. would show me his nutritionist all the. time. Like, she recommended the bison. and I'm going to eat the bison. >> Oh, right, because he's like, her advice. is like so great. Trying to get her.

>> He would talk about her to me and I. remember when he opened it, she was not. the first person I went to cuz I was. like, okay. But, you know what's crazy? I didn't even need him to open it. The. minute I asked him and I put it down in. front of him, I pulled it out from my. back. I said, open it. He went ghost. white. I didn't even need him to open. it. >> like, oh. >> There it is. Like, I knew and then I saw. it and I remember going into the. bathroom, throwing up,

and I think we can talk about this a. little bit, which is. I wouldn't say it's like embarrassment, but there's like a level of for 5. seconds because this is also the person. you love. >> Yeah. >> Your love doesn't go away the minute you. see it. You hate them, but like. >> Right. Yeah. >> 5 seconds ago I was in love with this. person. You. there is a part of you that wants to be. like, "No. No. No. >> way. Yeah. >> Like. >> real. >> real. >> But it is. >> It But it is.

>> And it's like that gut punch. >> Yeah. And it's like, "Do you have any. advice?" And I'll think too of like for. someone sitting there that just found. out that they were getting cheated on. Like, "How do you mentally wrap your. brain around being in love with someone. that you trusted and then the ultimate. betrayal and trying to be like, 'I want. to go have them hug me cuz they're. usually the person that consoles me, but. you also [ __ ] me.'" And like. >> I would be like, "Look, maybe have that. moment right now. Give yourself an hour. to have that moment or that night, and.

then get away from them. Like Like obviously we're still in the. same house, but we are most definitely. in different rooms. We have like I know exactly like when. he's coming back to the house, and I. know to like I We do not cross paths. That being said, like as much as you can. have that conversation, do what you need. to do, get your ducks in a row, and then. get away from them, and don't don't. allow them to like come back into your. life because again, if it's somebody. who's willing who is capable or.

uh talented. >> talented. >> enough. It's the of being able to create. those lies and stuff, they'll be they'll. be able to create something to to pull. you back in at some point. >> And then. >> have to separate. You have to go no. contact. >> You're so right. And then also, if you. go back, they're just going to be. smarter next time. >> Yeah. >> And that is I think the worst of like. there's going to be so many things that. are said to you, but I also believe like. there's one thing if someone comes to.

you and tells you and is like I did. this, I feel disgusting, I'm sorry. When. you find it, when they're apologizing, they're sorry they got caught. >> Oh, yeah. Cuz they aren't going to. apologize because. I've had a a lot of women that I've. spoken to online since all of this have. said. my ex was the same way. He was angry. He. was yelling at me. He was pissed. And. it's like it's yeah, it's this the house. of cards has fallen. and they're angry about that. They're.

not so much like remorseful or upset. It's not about how you feel. It's about. the fact that. all the effort that went into creating. this to building that little house of. cards got blown over so fast and now. what? >> And I [ __ ] love how much you talk. about your friends. because. I and I also love how you talk about. this distortion of reality. Like the great Esther Perel always talks.

about like when you get cheated on, your. reality becomes so distorted and you are. like wobbling essentially. You can't see. it straight cuz you're like you were the. person I actually loved most and and. trusted the most in my life and you just. ripped the rug out underneath me. >> Yeah. >> You have to immediately surround. yourself and I know you're embarrassed. part of you also sometimes doesn't want. to tell anyone because you're like. >> Cuz you're like oh my god, now I'm that. person or you know, >> if you tell people it's over. >> Right, once it's out. Well, it's like. they always say too like whenever if you.

and your partner just getting like petty. fights like don't tell your friends. because then you're They always say. that, right? But it's like in this if. it's this big of a thing. >> You got to do it. >> you got to do it and you got to surround. yourself with your friends as as as. possible. And then that way they can. also hold you accountable and be like, "Absolutely [ __ ] not. You are not. allowed Like this is not happening." And. then also, if you are in a situation. where you do have a gaslighter or. manipulator and you have a friend over,

you have someone sitting right there. going, "No, I heard what they said. I. saw how they were. It's not just you.". Because that was my big thing is it was. like there was no one else there. And so. I would question. >> everything. >> Yeah, and then my friends that were, you. know, at the house like again like when. he came back and was like, "Why are you. guys here?". It's like, "Well, thank [ __ ] god.". See, I was like, "So you guys saw that, right?" Like of course like my anxiety. is going through the roof. I'm like, "Oh. my god. Oh my god." I'm like, "But see,

that's what it's been like." And they're. like, "Okay, yes. So now we see the. reality because otherwise, you know.". >> And that's again, I just think it's so. important to talk through this because. when you're in it, it almost becomes. impossible to see straight. >> Yeah. >> And you have to remember you're you're. too [ __ ] close and there's no like. you have to act like we just keep saying. and and I always say it back to myself. when I have friends that go through it. like you loved this person 30 seconds. before you just found it. So that isn't.

gone immediately. The hurt, the anger, all of it but you still love that. person. So you need someone and you have. to remember what your friends have no. ulterior motives other than making sure. you're good. And so just catch yourself. if you're going against your friends in. that moment. It's cuz you're trying to. hold on to something and let them be the. anchor to pull you the other way cuz. they're actually just looking out for. you. >> Yeah. And talk to them about it. >> Yeah. >> If you're sad, you miss them, or you. want to. talk about like good times and stuff. like that, talk to your friends about. it. Like And then just but keep that.

that no contact. >> [sighs and gasps]. >> I'm telling you that was an I think that. was the whole like. in my life, blah blah blah. Cuz I knew. Right. I would go no contact. >> I'm so proud of you. >> I knew that That's [ __ ] hard. But I. knew even even if it was just a breakup, I knew I was going to go no contact. >> Wow, how did you know that? >> I just felt it in my gut that that was. like the way to go. And like in the past. I had not done that with other. relationships. And then like I've been on Tik Tok a lot.

the last like 3 years. And I would see stuff about that and I. was like, okay, I think that that's like. in this situation, that's what I would. have to do. >> And. I think that that was, you know, part of what was like, oh, I don't know, the troubling to him or something. >> What that you wouldn't speak to him? >> Yeah. >> What did he expect? >> Right, that we would do the Schwartz and. Katie like dog custody thing? Like we're. not doing that. >> No, you're getting the dog. >> Absolutely. >> god, what is it Jennifer Coolidge? I'm.

getting the dog. I'm taking the damn. dog. [ __ ] you. >> Oh, that's good. >> [laughter]. >> Wait, oh so YOU'RE LIKE, I'M [ __ ]. taking the dog. >> Well, I paid for her adoption. My name. is on her adoption papers. >> And she loves you more. >> her vet vet bills. I take took her for. walks. I gave her baths. Like these are. all things that I would do that he. wasn't doing. >> the batteries, you take care of the. [ __ ] dog. Dude, no, but I get what. you're saying and that's another point. When you are so strong to be like, I'm.

not speaking to you, this is a boundary, [ __ ] Oh, it enrages them. >> Yeah, I think the the setting of. boundaries has been. >> Oh. >> you know. Well, and you saw him at. Lisa's breaking like, I don't know if it. was real or not, honestly. >> Dude. >> a little bit like a performance, to be. honest. Well, but then also, of course. I'm going to be jaded because. I don't trust. >> Right. And we have to. >> had just yelled at me. And then the day. after he yelled at me again after the.

Rachel scene. So, it, you know, it's hard to say. But. that being said, the biggest thing that. he was upset about in that moment was. that he doesn't get to have another. conversation with me. Cuz I'd said, "You don't get another one.". >> It's done. >> Like, say what you need to say now. because we won't be doing that. And by. the way, my friend Meredith and my other. friends, like they she's the. Capricorn queen of my dreams. She made a. spreadsheet that was like, "Who's going. to be staying with me what night?" I did.

not stay alone for weeks. And even after. I went, I had friends fly in from New. York to make sure I got to the wedding. in Mexico that I went to. And then even. after I came back from Mexico, I still. had friends that would stay with me. every night, make sure I ate, make sure. I slept. They were like they had like. their own group text. Now they've. friends that didn't know each other. before become friends that I've like. always wanted them like, "You guys would. love each other.". >> Great. Now they're like. >> Now they're It's like honestly like.

the the community that is. our friends, like on and off the show, is like the most incredible group of. girls, gays, and theys. Like, I've never. like honestly. I could not like I don't know how I. could write like if I was a super. talented writer, I couldn't have created. that in my head. Like, absolutely. incredible. >> And that's what I think again, you kind. of talk about like when you're going.

through it, let people actually help you. guys because doing it alone is torture. >> Yeah. >> You can't do it alone. You can't. Or you. go back to the one person you love the. most which is the person that hurt you. >> Yeah, or you Yeah, you think you can. And then you end up, you know, it's it's. just not healthy or you end up. self-medicating or doing my my classic. way of coping is isolation. or sleeping and it's like. >> Yeah, he always he kept bringing that up. like, "She just sleeps all the time.".

I'm like, "Um yeah, maybe you should. look inward. That is your partner okay. or depressed or like what's going on?". Like. >> maybe her dog just died. >> be there for her. Get in bed. >> Yeah, get in bed. Get in bed. >> Get in bed, [ __ ] Like, what the [ __ ]. >> Or like that isn't that where sex. happens? >> I know. Right, you want sex so bad. She's laying in bed all day. Get the. [ __ ] IN BED. >> [laughter]. >> [ __ ]. >> I'M in the bed. >> She's in bed naked waiting. Go in. Talk. to her. Emotionally connect with her. And then maybe.

>> And then maybe. right. Men are so dumb. Like, what? >> [laughter]. >> That actually sounds right. Now that we. say it, it sounds so stupid. >> She's in bed all day and you're bitching. about not getting [ __ ]. >> What what what are we missing here, Tom? What are we. >> I'm not in the place where it. happens. >> Dude, okay. Rumor on the street is you're not. single. Is this like a situationship? Are we in. a full relationship? Are we just. [ __ ] Are we having like what are we. doing? What are we doing, Ariana?

>> What's going on? >> Um, I'm really really enjoying myself. Um, I. am seeing someone. They live across the country in New. York. So, obviously, you know, it's kind of there's that whole aspect. to it. Um, but I would say it's like really really. great. >> It's good. >> Mhm. >> And you guys met where? >> We met at a wedding. >> When? >> Like literally 10 or 11 days after I. found this out. Which people are like,

"What? Like are you okay?" And I'm like, "Literally, I just met this person. >> Right. >> We did not start dating when I met them. >> Right. >> We just started talking. And then we. were talking and talking and talking and. it progressed and it's. >> Right. You had a moment to grieve. You're grieving still, but you can also. [ __ ] go see people. And like. >> it's like really nice like on like Okay, so I met him at this wedding and all we. did was talk. Like, we stayed up all.

night just talking. Like, that's it. >> That's all you've wanted. >> It's literally all I wanted. I was like, quality time? What is this? And then he flew to where. he lives and I flew over to where I am. and then we just FaceTimed and talked. And talked. And it was just like, oh my. gosh, like I'm getting to know this. person and the conversations we were. having were like so amazing. It's not. like we were like we met and we're. dating, you know? But like it was really.

great and now I've been able like I've. been going to New York for work. And so. when I go to New York for work, I've. been getting to see him and it's like so. nice. >> That's what I think also people have to. understand is like there's nothing wrong. with any timeline post something that. traumatic happens. You have to do what. feels right. And so people that are. like, oh my god, it's so soon, Ariana. Like, well, then you do you. >> I was like down on one knee proposing to. this man, I would be like, Nikki, we. need to like. reel it in. But like, you know, going.

luckily for New York being able to go. every couple of weeks this last this. just this last month and just work, see. my friends, see him and like just really. like love life. And honestly like having. someone that literally will be like. we'll be on the phone and he'll be like, you know, we're working, we're doing. stuff. And he's like, hey, can we just. get like 5 minutes where we're like we. just like have like quality time on the. phone? I'm like, >> [snorts]. >> are you kidding me? >> My dream for the past 9 years.

>> So I'm like, okay, great. This is just. great. >> How Okay, give all the ladies advice of. like 9 years is a long [ __ ]. time. How do you. not overthink it and allow yourself to. be with someone that's not the person. you've been with for 9 years. It's like. a little bit of a mind [ __ ] to be like. open to getting back out there. >> into anything. I think honestly.

if you are overthinking it, be honest. with yourself that you're overthinking. it. And just say like, "I'm overthinking. this." Or "This is where I'm at." Be. honest. I think that honesty and. vulnerability are two of the sexiest. things I think in any person. And even. if you're just like. going out on a bunch of like casual. dates with multiple people, be honest with these people. And if that. if they're like not down for it, then. they're not for you anyways. And. honestly just like being honest with.

yourself too and saying like, "This is. where I'm at. This is what I'm ready. for. This is what I'm not ready for.". Because then the day that I met the sky, I literally said, "This is what I can. handle. I can handle us talking. I can. handle you telling me I'm pretty. Um I. can maybe handle a smooch. But beyond. that, that's all. That's it. And he was. very enthusiastically like, "Okay, great. That sounds great. I just want to. hang out." So I was like, "Okay, cool.". Like maybe like just be very clear about.

your boundaries and what you're okay. with. >> Right. It's like you don't have to go in. and be like, "So I have to be a fully. It's like, "Hey.". >> And honestly accepting like. happiness and good things while you're. healing, there's no like. nothing bad about that. >> nothing. People that are judging are. also just like either you haven't been. through it or like you went through it. and you did something different that. didn't work for you and you're trying to. judge. Like let everyone do what they. want to do. >> we're all different people and we all. are in different situations. And again,

like I said, if someone does We were. saying if someone does some [ __ ] like. this to you, that door is slammed shut. It is way. easier to grieve um a relationship or. that is that cut and dry than it is is. one that isn't. >> I can't believe his I just remembered. you said his family didn't reach out to. you. Has they have they still not. reached out, Tom? >> No. No. >> It's kind of weird, no? >> Yeah. I mean, I understand like what would.

they say? I guess I would just think they'd be. like, "Hey, this sucks.". >> Like wishing you the best. Just that. Period. >> Just that. >> Like 9 years, there was some respect I. thought. >> Yeah. Not great. >> Um okay, this is a fresh start and the. beginning of a new era for you. What do. you want for yourself? >> I want. independence on like every level. I want. to be able to be completely financially. independent.

I'm saying God I don't have like a ton. of tied things, but I want to be like. financially independent and successful. Um I want to open my sandwich shop with. Katie and have that be a total hit, which I think it will be. >> What street is it on? >> Robertson. >> Oh, I am there. Do you know how there's. like no good sandwiches in LA? And you. guys were so right, the only ones are. like male. >> Like the Fat Sals. No offense to Fat. Sals, but. >> No, but it's like it's only Fat Sals. Yeah. Or like Uncle Paulie's. >> Exactly. And that's just so.

>> Right. >> not the vibe that we're going for. And. if it's not that, then what is it? You. know? >> love it. I love it. So, you guys are. opening? >> Yes. >> Fabulous. So, you're not you're not. letting it like go to the wayside. Like. this is still happening. >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. >> Good for you. >> Yeah. So, I'm very I'm very excited. about that. Yeah, I just want to be. >> Independent. >> independent and successful. I mean, all the things that I always. wanted previously, but now it's like. really nice to be able to do it on my. own. And I want to be a solo homeowner.

I want to own my own home with no one. else on the deed. >> God bless. Yeah, and you deserve it. Okay. Last two questions. >> Okay. What do you want everyone to know about. you outside of the scandal? >> Um. >> [laughter]. >> You're like, I had too much rosé. Leave. me alone. >> Like, um I love long walks on the beach. >> [laughter]. >> I like rosé and I want to move to the. French countryside, [ __ ].

>> [laughter]. >> And I'm like, uh. I'm like, okay, look. I just want people. to know that like I understand that. reality TV is very um over the top at. times and yes, of course, we love the. drama. I love the drama. I mean, I'm a. Love Island stan as we know. Um but I. just want people to know that like. again, like what you were saying, like. on the other side of it, we are real. people. Um I'm, you know, kind of like a perpetually barefoot girl.

from Florida. Just like [laughter]. >> [gasps]. >> you know, and I I love my girls and I. love my friends and I just think that. something I hope that all of this stuff. brings is that we all just kind of like. join together because. I just think that I love women and I. think we are the [ __ ] best and I just. think that. when we team up, like we are. unstoppable. >> Unstoppable. >> I. am so happy you came today because I.

truly think like you're you're so classy. and you have such a head on your. shoulders even though in the midst of. quite literally one of the biggest most. painful moments of your life. I'm so. sorry this happened to you, but I do. weirdly think. Thank god, Ariana. Thank god. Because. you would have potentially been with him. and not known and it's like you deserve. so much [ __ ] better. And you know. what? Let him go do his thing. Let her. go do her thing, whatever she's going.

through. Like everyone is meant to not. be in whatever it just was and you're. amazing and I can't wait to watch the. reunion, although it's like, do you have. any fear of like people watching it? Like, is there anything you want to. preface before we turn on our TVs? >> I just hope I wasn't like too cut. through. >> No, [ __ ] you cut through. No, we want. it. We want the drama. I think everyone was like, "Lala's going. to destroy." And we hope Ariana's right. underneath being like a little bit, you.

know, getting in there. I'm excited. >> Cheers. >> Well, >> cheers. >> cheers. >> Thanks for having me. >> [music]. [music].