Anna Kendrick: Pitch Perfect, Twilight & Relationships (Full Episode)

What is up, daddy gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. >> Anna Kendrick, welcome to Caller Daddy. Hi. >> I'm so happy we're doing this. >> Me, too. >> We've never met. >> Wait, is it tacky? Should I get rid of. my phone? >> Only. You can put on silent. on whatever. But no, I'll just get it. out of the. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Just in case. you get like an important call. >> No. >> Who would be calling you? >> No one. >> No one. It's fine.

>> Are you a big texter? >> Oh, yeah. I'm always like, if you need. to get a hold of me, like, you're you're. going to have to text me. If you want an. email back, you're going to have to wait. like two weeks. You might as well send. me a postcard in the mail. >> I'm so bad on my email. Are you one of. those people though that has like a. thousand plus emails, or are you like. deleting? >> Um, I think it was, you know, that Okay, so you know that this is not. interesting, but you know that period. between Christmas and New Year's where. you're like, what do what where are we. and like time has no meaning? Um, I was. like, I'm going to clean out my email.

inbox because I did have one of those. cuz it was like, well, what else are we. doing? Right. And I I am one of those. people. And I hate that about me that. I'm one of those people that has like 20. >> I have the same thing. I And if anyone. calls, I immediately don't answer. And I. >> did someone die? This is bad news. This. is terrible news. >> I don't like confrontation. >> No, I don't I don't like communication. people. I don't know. No, that's not. true. Mostly, but um yeah. No. Yeah, you. have to text me. Okay. Obviously, like. being an actress now, like obviously.

director, but like what is your like day. off? Like what are you up to when you're. not working? >> Um I'm trying to get mint to grow in my. garden. I'm trying to I'm trying to. really like be a home maker. Not a. homemaker. That's not what I mean. I. mean, I'm trying to like do something. physical and tangible that I can go. like, "Wow, I and I grew this mint and. now I'm putting it in a cocktail because. that's as close as I'm ever going to get. to cooking." And I I don't know, there's.

something about like devoting your. entire life to this very weird thing of. like pretending to be another person and. you know like crying on Q in front of a. room full of people you met three days. ago and whatever that you're like I. don't make anything physical. You know. what I mean? Like so I I feel like I'm. always trying to find like I should. really take up knitting or something. like I just want to like make something. that I can hold and go like I made this. >> Okay. to give you a little bit more. credit. You are making something that I.

mean like. >> I mean it's not like it's not real but. there is just something like fleeting. about it or I don't know. >> Are you having an crisis right now? Are. we. >> constantly. >> this whole episode is us just trying to. figure out like what is the meaning of. being an actor and life? No, but I get. what you're saying. You're like I want. something tangible aka mint. It's a. little odd that mint is the one thing in. your garden. >> It goes in a lot of cocktails. What can. you are you making good cocktails? >> I'm trying. Yeah. I when Yeah. When I. moved, I was like, I want to be able to.

like have people over and be able and be. able to offer them a refreshment, but. like I'm never going to cook. That's. never going to happen. >> Okay. Pretend I come over. What are you. making me for a drink? >> Um, well, do you have like a specific. >> I like tequila and vodka, so I'm kind of. like I can go either way. I like a. Moscow mule. I like a margarita. >> Well, Moscow meals are super super easy, so we love that. Um, but uh there's like. a watermelon vodka cocktail that I like. Um, I I also feel like people tend to.

come over and say that they drink. anything but gin, but jin makes great. cocktails. Like drinking gin straight is. for crazy people. I don't know what. that's about, but um but it makes really. great um like cocktails, especially if. you want to serve something up. And also. if you like want to commit to doing an. egg white foam, it gets it's really easy. and people are like absolutely blown. away that you've created. >> I'm blown away already. Wait, an egg. white foam. Yeah, there the key is doing. a dry shake in your shaker with the egg.

white um before you add ice and then it. will really and then you add all the. other ingredients and then add ice and. then it will actually like stay foamy. and you know just put a little like. sprig of lavender or something on top. and like people are like oh my god how. did you do this. >> me I'm the dumb [ __ ] that's like whoa. >> well then well then that's what I would. make right [laughter]. >> so that so that you would find me. impressive yeah. >> that's okay that's good to know what is. one thing you can't leave the house. without. >> um Oh god. Um probably chapstick. Like.

I'm one of those people that I I have. like a I have like a drawer full of. chapsticks and Yeah. Same. Yeah. >> And I like all the different flavors and. the different. >> Oh yeah. What's your go-to? >> Um I really like the BS Bees. There's. like a pomegranate one. And. >> are you [ __ ] with me? >> What? >> No. You You're [ __ ] with me. >> No. What? People are laughing. What's. happening? >> No. You [ __ ] talk to someone. Are you. doing a bid? >> All my life. All my dad sold. No. Abs. Wait. What is happening? >> Anna, >> you are not about to do that to me right.

now. >> You don't understand. >> That's sick. >> No, you don't get it. >> I might have it in my fanny pack. >> I'm not joking. >> You brought a fanny pack. >> You know what? We're I'm doing a lot. right now. Don't make fun of my fanny. pack. >> Hold on. [laughter]. First of all, >> that's in Now I feel like you're [ __ ]. with me. That's crazy. >> Okay, I have a book. >> I feel like you just did I feel like. you're like the mentalist. like you're. Chris Angel and you're like you mean. this pomegranate. >> whichever one you said you're like road. lipstick I'm like boom. >> because I also like the sweet violet but.

I was like well that's not really I. guess that's a tinted lip balm I don't. know that's something else so I was like. pomegranate. >> I like the pomegranate too cuz it gives. you that a little bit of a tint. >> tiniest the tiniest tint yeah. >> I. >> what's happening. >> wait [laughter]. I'm not kidding you I thought you were. doing a bit where you were like [ __ ]. with me. >> wait have you like talked am I an idiot. have you. >> no no everyone that like really really. knows me like You know that Arthur meme. where he's like got the fifth. I always. have this in and anywhere you look like. any interview I'm doing. I have it.

somewhere on my body and I have an. entire bowl in my house and every single. sweatpole. in my house of all the pomegranate next. to my bathroom sink and I just pick one. up every day and I open a new one and I. use it until I lose it and then I go. back. I love it. >> This is weird. We're like creepy. >> It's really creepy. But I think the. reason I love chapstick so much is. because I have this feeling it's like. the ick of myself is if I don't have my. lips somewhat moisturized. I feel like. that is goes and is like almost.

contingent with having bad breath. Like. I feel like when you see someone with. chapped lips, you're like they must have. bad breath. >> Oo yeah. >> I don't know. >> No, I think that Yeah. I haven't thought. about it but like subconsciously Yeah. There's I'm just going to lean away. >> Okay. So you're a chapstick girl. >> Yeah. >> Good to know. So you probably have good. breath. Um, haven't gotten close enough. to you today, but we'll see later. Um, what is the most high maintenance thing. about you? >> Um, probably my hair. Um, I cuz I have. I'm like a secret curly. >> What? >> I'm like a secret like like like Carrie.

Russell and Felicity level curly. >> You have gorgeous hair. >> Well, you know, it's not [laughter]. really what my hair looks like. Um, uh, yeah. And I I've been like I haven't. like. >> I I've I I wore I started I was on like. a natural like you know curly hair um. journey like I let my therapist see me. with my like real hair big steps. Um, and like like two of my best friends in. my house have like come over and I'm. like, I should let you know that I have.

let my hair dry naturally and I'm in a. very vulnerable place cuz it I just it. was one of those things that I always. felt like um messy because I think like. when I really started to be like, "Oh, I. need to like start learning how to like. blow out my hair and whatever was when. like pin straight hair was it." There. you go. Um, it was when like tiny butts. and super straight hair was the the. height of female attractiveness. Um, so. I just felt like, yeah, I don't know, almost like the chap lips things where I.

was just constantly like doing that, you. know, just trying to um, uh, like make. my hair be like flat. Um, and when uh, it would get like frizzy if I would go. to a concert or whatever, I would just. be like freaking out about it, like. humiliated. >> But you're like, I have to leave. I have. to leave the concert. And I was thinking. about like um like all the [ __ ]. energy and time that I think we all. spend without even thinking about it. about like okay well okay if I wash my. hair at this time and then how long is. it going to take to do my blowout and if. I shave my legs on this day I'll have.

stubble for that well but like and just. it's always just running in the. background. It's exa it's exhausting. >> It's so exhausting and it's so dumb. because we notice so much more about. ourselves. Like I bet if you had your. curly hair here I'd be like I love your. curly hair. Wait, what did your. therapist say to you when did Did you do. like a big reveal of like I'm gonna I'm. gonna show you now. >> Yeah. >> Was it on Zoom or in person? >> It was on Zoom. >> Oh. >> Um, and I think it I think it was like I. I was still like this is so boring, but. I I was still like self-conscious about. it. So, I pulled back like, you know, I.

did like a half up half down thing. And. so, she was sort of like, "Oh, where are. you going?" Like that it was, you know, that it was like. >> it just looked different cuz I usually. just like wear it in like a bun and a. headband, right? Um, so I think she. thought that I was like going somewhere. So I was like, well that's that's. encouraging. She wasn't like what. happened, right? >> Um, but yeah, I'm still like I'm still. on a journey. >> Well, you know what? We're going to. support you on that journey. Your hair. looks amazing today, but I bet it would.

also look amazing if it was curly. Okay. Anyways, um, you've been making movies. for two decades. What do you think you. would be doing if you hadn't pursued. acting? >> Oh, God. I I I God help me. I don't know. what I I really don't I mean uh I feel. like obviously I didn't get into show. business because I hate attention. So. there's that piece. Um like I'll when. people ask me that question I feel like. I'll usually just say like oh I'd have a. bakery or something. But like I don't.

know I would be so screwed. Like I. actually remember when um when I was 17, 18, whatever I whenever I like moved uh. to LA. Um I was really really jealous of. all my friends that were going to. college. Number one, because I felt. really insecure about not going to. college. I have a whole, you know, complex about it. Um, but I was also, you know, on the phone like hearing. about this exciting new chapter that was.

sort of laid out for them and, you know, going to classes and joining a sorority. and um, you know, having this like. immediate community. And I was in LA. I. was like 17 or 18. It's really hard to. make friends in LA because of like the. way the city is laid out, but especially. when you don't have a fake ID. And even. if I did, I looked about 12, so that. wasn't going to work anyway. And I was. just like absolutely terrified and.

really wondering if I was like making a. huge mistake. And then the weirdest. thing was that when everybody entered. their sophomore year, I was I was still. like just, you know, trying to get in. the door and all of that, but I then. noticed that when I would get on the. phone with friends of mine who were in. college, they were suddenly all of them. sophomore year having a total crisis. because freshman year was like, "This is. so exciting and there's this new chapter.

and like my whole life is ahead of me. and making these friends and sophomore. year it felt like okay I'm back with the. same people and that's great and um I'm. picking my classes for this year and. that's great um but what do I want to do. with my life like there's no longer just. the excitement of like oh my god frat. parties and you know the college. experience it's like oh I have to figure. out what I want. >> and so even though the thing that I.

wanted felt like a total pipe dream and. like what am I doing? This is a. disaster. It's so hard to carve out a. space for yourself in this industry. But. on the other side of it, holy [ __ ] I. did not think like what a blessing to. just know what I want. And I was like. watching all my friends go, "Oh my god, I don't know what to what I want what to. do.". >> It's so interesting like cuz I I went to. college and I remember from a young age.

I like knew I wanted to be in Hollywood. Like I knew I wanted to create. I knew I. wanted to do something in this industry. But my mom kept just being like, "No, you have to do school. You have to do. school and then you can do it later.". And I resented that so much for a while. But hearing like the difference, like. again, everyone wants what they don't. have. Of like being in college wishing. by sophomore year, I was like, "Get me. the [ __ ] out of here. I know exactly. what I want to do." But you being like. watching all of the kids in college and. you being like that was a big insecurity. of mine. Like. >> why was it an insecurity though? because.

you were like I don't have an education. technically of. >> totally totally so I I think my family. really values um like traditional. education um you know for good reasons, bad reasons, whatever. Um and so I was. like the first person to not go to. college. Um and my dad was a teacher and. everything. So it was like very black. sheep behavior to not go to college. Um. >> were they okay with you not going to. college? Yeah. I mean, I think they knew. I was going to do what I wanted to do.

Um, but, uh, I think there was always. that sense of like, well, if things. maybe don't work out that first year, it's not too late to just, you know, so. I think that was always like something. that they had in mind. But, um, I don't. think they were thrilled, which is. understandable. Um, but yeah, I I then. like just worried about like, oh my god, I didn't I didn't go to college, you. know? I don't know. It's like. >> I get it. I think it's like in a great. way. I do think like the concept of.

education now is becoming a little bit. more lenient where people are like you. don't need to go to college to be XYZ. And it's interesting because you were. right on the right path, but because of. like societal standards of like if. you're smart, you go to college. It. probably felt so disorienting when. you're watching all these people do like. the natural next step. Really, you just. skipped a big step and then you got. ahead on your career. But it doesn't. mean you can't still feel insecure about. it of like in conversation having to be. like oh I didn't go to college like I.

get that especially if your family was. like go school go school and your dad. being a teacher. >> Totally. And I think now that I'm like. older it it's less of a thing but like. early 20s you know that's like part of. the conversation is like oh where did. you go to college? >> I didn't like how oh my god I have to. say I didn't. And by that at that point. like you know like 21 22 I didn't really. have much to show for it yet you know. like then some things happened and you. know it was less of an issue but you're. like oh I didn't go to college cuz I. wanted to become an actor and it's like.

how's that going. >> well you know I think I got to someone's. I'm hearing my phone ring so yeah. >> right they're like what are you in. you're like be back soon got to go I get. that. Um talking about your family. though you were raised in Maine right? Born and raised in Maine. What were you. like as a kid? >> I think I was really um like hyper. vigilant. Like I was really in. everybody's business a little bit. Um. but I think that I was even thinking. like a couple weeks ago about how I do.

one of my many toxic traits is uh I do. kind of walk around with like a little. bit of a all right, who's trying to [ __ ]. me over, >> you know? And I I was like, I don't. know. There's a chance that it's like, oh, oh, you're spelling bedtime. You. think I don't you think I don't know. what's happening here? You know, like. just I don't know. Just being real. aggressive about like how I wanted. things done and like very opinionated.

But I don't I can't really tell if that. comes from childhood or from like. working in an industry where I'm sure. you've experienced it's like you agree. to certain things and then it's like oh. and can we also do this thing that would. be really humiliating for you and not. like uh pay you any extra money or check. with you in advance and ask you in front. of a group of people so if you say no, you'll look like a [ __ ] you know? So. I'm just always like, "All right, who in. this room is trying to [ __ ] me over?". That's so interesting that you're like,

did that happen when I was young or is. it just like something I can't not. remember? Because you started in the. industry at what like 10 you started. really getting into it? >> Yeah, I I uh I started kind of. auditioning for things when I was 10 and. I I booked my first gig when I was 12. Um, so but I mean I wasn't auditioning. all the time because I lived in Maine. and so either. >> one of my parents had to drive me to New. York City for like a 15minute audition.

and they were like, "Well, sweetie, we. love you, but g Jesus." Um, so. eventually um, my brother and I would. take a Greyhound bus from Maine to New. York. And that's one of the situations. where uh we were in that I auditioned. for this show that I ended up getting. and we were in New York and they asked. me um are you cool to like stay for a. call back tomorrow? And I was always. just told like we'll just say just say. yes. You'll figure it out later. So I. was like absolutely I will see you.

tomorrow. No problem. And my brother and. I like [laughter] then are just like. okay we need to find a hotel in New York. City. >> Anna, what are you 11? I'm 12, he's 13. or 14. And so, uh, we found a hotel and. my parents called the hotel and faxed a. credit card and told them like, "Yes, yes, we'll be along shortly and they're. in Maine." Um, and so I like washed my.

underwear in the sink and then just like. put on this. I mean, luckily there is. like a thing where if you get a call. back, you're it's kind of conventional. wisdom that you should wear the same. thing. So that didn't seem like I was. the gross kid with one pair of clothes, >> same underwear. >> Um but uh so then the next day the same. thing happened and again it was like no. problem. I will see you again in the. morning and had to do it again. Um and. then uh they Oh, that's right. They uh. they did ask me cuz I was wearing combat.

boots and they were like can you cuz the. part was for like a little rich girl. Okay. So, they were like, "Could you. like wear something like, you know, we. just love to see you in in more of a. kind of Sunday best outfit?" And um and. and specifically someone mentioned my. shoes. So, I was wearing this like ratty. cardigan and like ripped jeans and these. like combat boots, but I was like, "Ah, the solution will be to go to the. nearest Pay Less and find like white.

church strappy sandals." And so like. with like the last $20 that we had, I. like bought this pair of sandals, like. dress sandals, and wore those with my. ratty cardigan and jeans and uh and then. like wandered in and I think they were. just like, "Oh, for [ __ ] sake." Yeah, fine. Whatever. Great. Um and then we. were on a Greyhound bus home and we had. this phone for emergencies and that rang. and it was like, "Hey, you're going to. be on Broadway." I'm like trying to. picture 12-year-old me walking around in.

New York City with my brother who's two. years older than me. I'm like, how the. hell were you not even scared? >> I think that we just thought it was like. such an adventure. And I think we also. like wanted to be like cool New York. City kids so [ __ ] bad that we were. just like, "Yeah, this is so normal.". Um, I can't remember if we were like. low-key freaking out or not, but we I. know that I mean even when I went there, >> um, at 17 I did this show at New York.

City Opera and I remember like riding. the subway to work and seeing like, oh. my god, you know, you see those gorgeous. girls who were like going to American. Ballet um, and being like and like. looking at them and being like, we're. really doing it. Oh my god, I'm in New. York and I'm going to work and I'm going. to work on the subway and it's like not. a big deal at all. Which if you're. thinking about it like that, it's a huge. [ __ ] deal to you. I was not I had no. chill. Um, but that was. >> But that's sweet. Okay, all of this is.

happening. I know that you were. nominated for a Tony Award when you were. just 12, so it came from that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. What did kids in school think? >> It's weird. again like I don't know if. you've experienced something like this. but there were several moments where it. felt like if I mentioned anything to the. kids at school they don't get me wrong. understandably. sort of thought I was like talking about. something else like like in the same way.

that if someone in my school in like. middle school or high school had been. like oh yeah I'm going to Olympic trials. I would be like, "So, is there some kind. of like local like, oh, it's the. Olympics?" You know what I mean? Like, I. would just be like, "No, you're not.". Like, cuz that just doesn't make sense. cuz we're from Maine. Like, what are you. talking about? Um, I remember having um. like a really little indie film in the. Sundance Film Festival when I was 16, 17.

and going to Sundance. And. I remember one of my close friends, one. of my like best friends called me and. was like, "That's so weird. There's. something on um on the news about I. think it was I could be getting this. mixed up, but I think it was like the. year that Britney Spears and like Fred. Durst went to Sundance together.". There's something I maybe I'm maybe I'm. hallucinating. It was some other story. I don't know. Um, but she called me and. she was like, "Yeah, they're at like the. Sundance Film Festival." And isn't that.

so weird because you were just saying. that you're doing something called. Sundance, but it's like happening at the. same time. And I was like, "I'm at. Sundance. I'm at the Sundance. I'm at. the Sundance Film." That's why I was so. [ __ ] excited about it. >> Right. You're like, I'm here with. Britney Spears. >> Yes. And And like she was like a close. friend. So I think like there's an an. understandable thing that happens where. you're just like. >> Yes. >> Not you here. >> They didn't get it. So you and you. didn't talk about it over the toply. where like people would even have a. concept of it. >> No. No. I mean even I think there was a.

hope a luckily very brief window where. uh it was kind of like a teasing. situation. So it was like I knew better. than to be like running my mouth about. it too much. >> cuz people would make fun of you. Yeah. >> Isn't that so weird? Meanwhile, it's. like everyone wants to be a movie star. >> I don't know. I think just drawing any. attention to yourself in middle like. particularly this was like in middle. school like right after I did the the. Broadway show it's like you just want to. disappear like I think people talk about.

high school as being cutthroat. Middle. school. >> was so much scarier to me. >> It was so horrible. I completely agree. High school is actually like I started. to get my [ __ ] together. Middle school I. was terrified. >> Yeah. I I remember feeling like just. like trying to be like a moving pile of. laundry, you know, just wearing like the. biggest clothes and just trying so. [ __ ] hard not to draw any attention. to yourself. >> Yes. So, you obviously started to become. so successful like was your family like, oh, this is normal,

>> you know? I found some. success and then I think this is pretty. typical for for um entertainment stuff. that like the money really follows like. several years later. There's that period. where you're like, "Okay, I'm like. low-key a little famous, but I am so. [ __ ] broke." It would make you tear. up how broke I am. Um so you're kind of. trying to fake it till you make it. Um,

but like I had brought my family to the. Oscars and you know there was a really. interesting moment a few years later. when I like bought my first place and I. had them at my place and it was like you. could feel the energy particularly from. my mom and dad of like oh okay okay okay. and it wasn't a mansion but it was just. like oh you're going to be okay because. they were obviously like very proud and.

but there's things with like awards and. reviews where that's great but it's. still really abstract and to just see. something solid where it was like okay. our crazy you know daughter who didn't. go to college. >> like has managed to buy a home you know. it was like I could feel not so much. like pride but that they were actually. like oh you made it okay relieved like. okay yeah. >> it all worked out like we don't have to. worry about now her like going back to.

college and trying to figure out. something else. >> Completely. She's not going to move in. with us and like drain us dry. Yeah. >> Love. Love. Um, you've been in so many. great movies. I want to talk to you. about a few of them today. We got to. start with Pitch Perfect, obviously. What was that audition process like? >> Well, you know, I think the the most. interesting piece or the piece that has. certainly followed me around is uh when. I auditioned, they they needed you to. just like prove that you could sing. Um, and I was like, well, I know how to do.

this thing. There's a cup and there's. this song and I could do that. So, it. was just cuz I was like, well, where. else am I going to do it? Cuz I was like. lame enough and dorky enough to have. bothered like learning this thing. Um, and so I did it for my audition. And. they were like, we should put that in. the movie. And originally in the script, like Becca, my character's audition. song, was I'm a Little Teacup, which I I. I keep meaning to ask the writer K. Cannon, like was that meant to be like.

funny? How like how would that have. worked? How how was I supposed to play. that? I don't I don't know what I was. supposed to do. Was I supposed to like. do like a a Christina Aguero version of. I'm a little teacup or was it supposed. to be like. >> like a like oh I like resent that I have. to do this and you know but I sound fine. so you would have done it. >> I guess like that I mean I would have. been relying on somebody to tell me like. what the vibe was supposed to be but. luckily I didn't have to figure that. out. Um, so they they were like, "Well,

let's do that for for Becca's audition.". And I was like, "Great. Making use of a. useless skill." And then, um, then. people when they saw the movie like. would ask about it and stuff. And so. then the studio was like, "We should. release this as a single." And I was. like, "What are you [ __ ] stupid? You. want to release this as a single? That's. so embarrassing. I'm so embarrassed for. us." Um, so they had me like go into the. studio for like 20 minutes, a hit that. was made in 20 minutes. Um, and just. like sing the rest of the song and I was.

like in there with a stool and a cup. doing the cup in this weird studio. And. then they were like, "What if we did a. music video?" And again, I was like, "Are we what's going on? This is so You. guys, I'm so embarrassed for you." Like. I just was like, "There's no way anybody. would care about this." like I whatever. Um and so we like make this music video. and then it like which is why by the way.

why am I saying this phrase? Why is this. phrase coming out of my mouth? It. started climbing the charts. Like why is. this a part of my story and my life? Like I was just like what's h what is. [ __ ] happening? This is so out of the. realm of anything that's supposed to be. happening. And I always thought like. because I was in the middle of making. this like indie film and I'd be getting. like texts from people going like it. just like got into the top 10 of like. Billboard's top 100 and I was like in.

the basement of some church like. shooting this tiny little indie film. Meanwhile, I think it was like I think. it was speaking of the times Miley Cyrus. and McLemore was was like in also in the. top 10. And so I I always just think. like they must have been like, "What the. [ __ ] is this shit?". >> Like who is this girl? What is this? How. dare you? I'm out here like busting my. ass on Good Morning America putting on a. live performance and this like freak.

show. Whatever this [ __ ] is is in the. top 10. How dare I? What on earth? >> Anna, >> I would hate me. I would hate me. >> Did you ever learn to be like, "Damn, that shit's good." They did send me a. platinum record and that was perfect. That was perfect. >> Bye, [ __ ] That's literally perfect. Like I guess it was kind of. >> Oh, I guess when I got my platinum. record though insane that you're like. this is so [ __ ] embarrassing, you. guys. And meanwhile, it's like the. entire world learned this [ __ ] I.

remember trying to learn it, Anna. Okay. No, you did not. >> Oh, I tried. Of course I Everyone. Oh, I tried your face. >> I couldn't really do it. You shot your. face. You [ __ ] invented it. That's so. crazy that you brought that to the movie. and they were like, "Yes." Um, okay. I. just realized also while you were. talking, which is fun, is I have had on. you, Britney Snow, Adam Divine, and I. have had on Rebel. >> Oh my gosh. >> I have almost had like the entire. >> cast. You're like collecting all the. Pokémon.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I I'm kind of having a good. time. Um, how would you describe your. guys' friendship on that cast? Um, honestly I I I use this word in the. truest sense of uh like we are a family. like truly in the sense of like we. didn't choose each other like we didn't. ask to be in each other's lives in this. way and we're so bonded and it does feel. there's something really not to be lame. there's something really magic about it. because so often like you'll do a big.

job and there'll be like one or two. people maybe that you keep in touch with. and the people that are like the most. similar to you and we're all really. really different and after like three. movies you're like I think this is like. a a not getting rid of each other kind. of situation. >> I think the entire world is happy it's a. not getting rid of each other situation. >> And also I think that I'm I'm very. avoidant. So like actually like cracking. that shell and like being in my life. like it it takes some persistence. So,

uh, like Britney's always joking that. her she's like, "Well, your phone is all. all white or whatever the, you know, the. blue text." Yeah, you get it. You get. it. Um, cuz she's like always texting me. and just being like, "I know you're not. going to reply, but um, you know, I. think that I'm kind of like certainly. the kagin of the group, but it is like. almost like everybody has a a role and. you know, >> like you know, Britney kind of like. brings the party and I um bring the.

grumpiness, I guess. I don't know. Um. but. >> I am like it's really interesting. because even the girls that are not like. one of the closest girls like when. they're going through something, >> I get the call and it's and it's it it. makes me feel so good. Um because I do. feel like that's kind of my role in the. group is like if if you're in jail like. my shoes are on. We're I'm gonna we're.

getting you out tonight. I don't know. how, but we're going to figure it out. >> Whereas like if you need help with like. party invitations, like I'm going to. freeze up and be like, I don't I don't. know. I don't know. I don't know what to. do. I don't know. I'm I have to leave. the room right now. >> Call Britney. >> Yeah. Call Britney. Please call Britney. >> It's so fun to know that you and Britney. Snow are so close because it I don't. know. It like sets something right in. the world. Like I like that you guys are. friends. I think it also is nice because. obviously as like consumers we know that. sometimes on movie sets like people. don't get along and there's something.

oddly satisfying about how amazing those. movies are and knowing you guys are so. close like it's just a fun thing for. fans. >> No, it makes me really happy. I saw some. of the girls from the movie the original. The Craft having dinner once and I was. like [gasps]. >> you guys are friends at Real Life. >> Like it makes you happy. >> Oh my god, it made me so [ __ ] happy. So I do I would be like what? Oh, I. wouldn't think anyone would like care, but I but seeing the the craft girls, I. was like, "This is so beautiful. Me so. much to me.". >> So now when people are crying when they.

see you guys out together, you get it. >> Totally. >> Are we getting a fourth one? >> Oh, I have no idea. I'm always like I'm. always like Rebel is kind of like the. steam train of the group. Like she's. always like, "I think we should do it.". And I'm like, "Well, then great. We We. should I agree. I'm just here for I'll. just be backup. I guess. >> I we need it. >> I would love that because like we're all. so um busy and I'm so happy that. everybody's so like busy and successful. and like doing so much that actually. getting like whatever you know the 10 of.

us in a room is like impossible. So it's. usually like maybe six of us at a time, you know, trying to like uh have a. little reunion. So it does feel like. >> the thing that would actually get us all. in a room again is like the the movies. So that's that's my best reason. >> I will watch. So, let us know. Um, Twilight, >> can you believe? Can you believe I mean what? Okay, so. someone was just asking me about like a. a while ago I had, you know, done a a.

silly funny tweet where I just said. like, "Holy [ __ ] I just remembered I. was in Twilight." And people were like, "But you didn't like forget you didn't. forget that you were in Twilight." And. the answer is truly truly yes and no. cuz obviously obviously I didn't forget. the experience of making the movies. they didn't, you know, but those movies. like especially at the time took on such. a life of their own and like they were. such a kind of like for for better or.

for worse like a kind of touchstone like. like such a reference that you know. everybody would talk about like trying. to find the next Twilight or whatever. and I would find myself in like business. conversations talking about oh yeah I've. heard that that there's a book series. that just got optioned you know that. maybe want to try and make it the next. Twice Twilight and then I would be like, "Oh my god, I'm in Oh my god, I'm in the. movie. Oh my god." Because I was also so. on the uh just on the outside. Had a. front row seat, but was just on the.

outside of the madness of it. And I was. really like lucky to not be dealing with. the the eye of the storm really, you. know. Um, I think that like a lot of the. folks that were in the movie, even in. the later movies where they are playing. like as long as you were a supernatural. character, if you had one line, you like. couldn't leave your hotel room. People. were crazy and and you know, people were. criticizing like, oh, but she has green. eyes in the book or or whatever. And I.

just didn't have to deal with any of. that. So, so on the it's almost feels. like I didn't really have to run the. gauntlet that some of the other I mean. most of the other people did. I just had. to like show up and say dumb funny [ __ ]. and just be like what are you guys. talking about? You guys are [ __ ]. acting weird. Okay. >> Everybody's really serious. Bye. Like. that was the that was the gig. It was. awesome. >> Jessica. Oh my [ __ ] god. Jessica. being like what's so great about Bella?

Like I don't get it. Like what's going. on with Bella? Which is also crazy. because when I auditioned for that I was. like, "Yeah, I think in the book she's. like the blonde athletic volleyball. captain popular girl." So I was like, "Well, great. I'm not getting this job.". And the goal then becomes like, "Well, I. hope I just like making an impression on. the casting director and the director so. maybe they'll remember me for something. else, right?". >> And so I was like, "Well, I'm just going. to like try to be like weird and funny. cuz I don't know." And then they were. like, "Oh, great. Yeah, let's do that.".

So there I am with like my with my. headband because like in that humid. weather they didn't know what to do with. my hair full circle. They were like it. just keeps getting bigger. So So I was. always like in a headband or pulled back. like really tight. Um and. >> you know in my like ratty little costume. like you know five inches shorter than. Kristen going like I don't even get what. the point is. Meanwhile, she's so. stunning in real. Like, you're like, "Oh. my god, I'm staring into the eyes of. like a Siberian husky. She's so gorge.

like I mean, she's gorgeous on screen, but like in person." Have you met her in. person? >> No. >> There's a quality, let me tell you. >> Really? >> Oh my god. It's breathtaking. And she's. obviously very beautiful. And sometimes. you meet certain people and you're like, "What? How dare you? >> Why are you Why are you doing this to. me? >> Oh my god.". >> So, you know, the the audacity of me to. be like, [laughter] "I don't see I don't. see it. I don't get it. >> Right. You're like the Right. Right. Right. Were you ever like I'm being. annoying like or you're like it's fine.

It's my role. >> Yeah. I guess it was like I'm being. annoying which means like. >> you're doing your job. I'm doing what. I'm supposed to be doing. >> You're doing your job. Your job. I'm. obsessed with you being like they trying. to put my hair down and I'm like I don't. know what to do. >> I know. >> it all comes full circle. Um okay. Next. movie. >> Alice Darling. This is like obviously a. bigger shift and is a. >> basically is about a woman in. emotionally abusive relationship. when. you're taking on a more. intense role, like do you hesitate in. those moments or do you enjoy those type.

of moments that are a little bit darker? >> Um, it was uh Oh gosh, that's weird. I'm. about to use a phrase that I've been. using uh in reference to directing. So, but it it kind of makes sense because. it's a similar thing where it was like. pushing myself off of a cliff and not. giving myself the time to go, is this a. good choice? Cuz it was like it was. really scary and personal and. God, I'm just remembering like I.

remember I didn't tell I haven't thought. about this in a while. I didn't tell. anybody in my life. Not my like well. this was also kind of coy so I wasn't. talking to that many people. So again. I'm bringing up my therapist but I. didn't tell my therapist. I didn't tell. like my closest friends that I was. making this movie about emotional abuse. because I had just gotten out of a. relationship that was extremely similar. to the movie. Um and I didn't want. anybody to tell me to not do it. Like I.

didn't want to get talked out of it. And. I knew that there were good reasons for. my friends and certainly my therapist to. be like, "Is this the best idea for you. like right now?" Um, >> so I just kept telling them it's about. like three friends in a cabin and like. it's about like their relationships, which in a way it is, right? But um. yeah, I I like didn't even when after. the movie was wrapped, whatever. Like. they didn't even know that it was about.

emotional abuse until like the trailer. came out cuz I just didn't I just didn't. want somebody to tell me, well, I don't. know, maybe this is the childhood thing. of like I don't want you to tell me it's. bedtime. Like I I need to do this. I'm. going to do this. >> Can I ask like how long did that um. abusive relationship that you endured. last? >> Um it was it didn't follow the. traditional pattern, which is kind of. yet another reason why I was finding it. really difficult to identify it and name. it as abusive.

>> Um cuz I was like reading all the. articles and going like this doesn't. look ex like some of it looks like how. they're describing it but not. completely. And um so the relationship. was seven years. Okay. >> Um but it was like an overnight. switch and um that went on for about a. year. Um, so it didn't follow that more. traditional like it's like a frog in. boiling water thing where it started. slow. It came out of absolutely nowhere, but was built on this foundation of I.

had so much love and trust for that. person. So I thought it had to be me. Like I if one of us is crazy, it must be. me. Um, so it was very very um difficult. um to actually go, "No, this I think. this is I think this is him. I think I. think this is his stuff." Cuz I turned. my life completely upside down trying to. um fix whatever was wrong with me. And.

you know, it didn't help that for a long. period of time, our like couples. therapist, I think, just bought his. stuff kind of hook, line, and sinker. And I've had several sessions with him. uh in, you know, the last several years. where he's apologized to me because I. think he realized what was going on like. toward right toward the end. >> But um. >> yeah, that obviously made everything a. lot more complicated. >> We always have to remember like. therapists are human beings, too. And a.

lot of times they don't know the inner. dynamics. And if you are with a very. manipulative person though that is good. in crowds like they can mask it pretty. easily and you can be kind of painted to. be the person that's like insane or. you're unreasonable or you're like. unwilling to make the relationship work. And when you have a licensed person. staring at you next to the person that. is abusive. >> because we project so much authority. onto them even though we kind of know. intellectually well they're just people. It's like I just want and it was also I.

just want someone to tell me what's. happening. Like I wasn't I wasn't even. thinking like we're going to go into. couples therapy and he's going to you. know ream you out and it's going to I I. was just like well someone just explain. to me what's going on. So uh yeah it it. was uh it was fullon. But it was also. interesting that like I always felt like. I was trying to stay so calm in couples. therapy because I was like [ __ ] in these. sessions he's so able to kind of stay.

calm in a way that he does not do when. we're outside of therapy. Um and then. there was a day again toward the end. where I really kind of like lost my. [ __ ] And I did think like oh my god. like what have I done? Like what have I. done? Like I can't it's going to be so. bad now. Like what what did I do? What. do you mean? What do you mean it's going. to be so bad? >> Like if things when I'm trying so hard. to like appease this person, they're so. [ __ ] awful. So, how bad is it going. to get now that I've like yelled it, you.

know? Um, and I sent after that session, I first of all, weirdly, he was fine, which was very weird, very interesting. cuz I think he felt like. maybe a little bit like calm because he. was like, "See, you're [ __ ] crazy.". So, it was weirdly fine, but I sent the. therapist an email being like, "I'm so. embarrassed. I'm so sorry. Like, I I you. know, I need to control myself or. whatever." Cuz I had yelled in in this.

session. >> And. he called me, which he hadn't done. before, and was like, "No, no, I'm so. proud of you." And that's when I knew. like, "Oh, something has shifted. Like, something's changed." And then, yeah, things ended pretty quickly after that. I mean, I appreciate you sharing this. just because I have so many women that. listen that are like, "What are the. signs?" And like, I I I appreciate you. how you opened um the conversation about. this topic about like it literally.

changed overnight and I was reading all. the articles being like, "Is this me?". Well, no, that's not me. you try to. justify things like do you mind sharing. anything that maybe like my listeners. could be like oh this this is happening. to me too that like maybe doesn't. present as like this is abusive and. toxic but the undertone is so there. >> god it's so hard it's so hard and I. >> well I don't know maybe I'll maybe I'll. think of something but it's this.

conversation is even like really. complicated for me it's like even. talking about it I and feel like my my. body temperature going up because I. think that sometimes the conversation. around like red flags like those are. important conversations that we should. be h we should be talking about it like. thinking about it looking for them. sharing with each other. >> and. I think that even the most well-meaning. conversation sometimes about like.

>> red flags is can be a little victim. blamy and which is hard because I'm. like, well, also I want to know, you. know, and share red flags. Um, because. >> it does sort of put the onus on you to. be able to identify something that, by. the way, someone is working so hard to. make sure you can't identify. Like I I. really started thinking about it like um. like if someone was raised from birth as.

like a wilderness survivalist and they. just dropped you or I mean I don't know. maybe maybe you have this in your. background but uh if they dropped you or. me in the middle of the woods I would. step into a booby trap within three feet. because I don't know what to look for. And it's like because I didn't spend my. life learning how to build or identify. traps. Like how is it that we're meant. to like be inside the mind of someone. who is working very hard to make sure.

that you feel very unsteady and are. questioning yourself. So, it h it's. really it's really complicated and it's. it's it's. hard for me because I I I there are even. times when I talk about my situation. where as I'm saying it, I will go, am I. making that up? Am I making everything. up? Like I remember having a. conversation with my therapist like a. year after that relationship. where. I was constantly asking her to just.

diagnose me with like an egoonic. disorder so that I could just fix it and. and make sure that like oh this just. won't happen again or something. And. there was a point where she. was she was talking about my ex and she. started to say something where she was. like, "Well, you know, when you're. dealing with a wolf in sheep's. clothing." And I went, "No, no, what if. I'm the wolf?" Like, "What if it was. me?" Because I think that was the thing.

that I didn't expect was. how totally convinced he was of his own. victimhood. like. I know him well enough in spite of. feeling like well I didn't know him at. all but I know him well enough to know. like he's not an actor he's not a. performer he you know not a great liar. in in a lot of ways so. >> I was like looking at someone who was. actually kind of like suffering and and.

I thought like well if he's being. manipulative I'll know it because you. know I'll smell the [ __ ] Like I'll. smell that this is kind of a performance. that he's putting on, but I don't think. he was putting on a performance. I think. he genuinely believed that I was like. torturing him. He told me one day I was. terrorizing him because I was just. crying because I couldn't pretend that. things were fine anymore and I just. started crying and he screamed in my.

face, you're terrorizing me. But it was. truly from the place of a person who. believed that they were being. terrorized. So I I don't I don't know if. that's would resonate with people, but. it does. It's like even when I would. watch these [ __ ] videos, I would read. the articles and watch the videos and. when like. >> um Dr. Romany, who I love, like you. know, she's she's doing like an. impression of a fight where, you know, some abusive piece of [ __ ] goes, "Alex, you're crazy." But that's not how it.

actually sounds. It's like it was like. sometimes it was so emotional. It was. like, "Anna, I'm begging you. Like, you're ruining everything. You're making. like it was so real for him that it was. like, am I really am I doing something. terrible?" And I think that, you know, especially with conversations about. like, "Well, you're always out with your. friends and trying to isolate you, those. kind of things." Like, I think they're. really convinced that you're doing. something terrible to them. So, like, the pain place is real and that can be.

very, very misleading and convincing. I. just want to say the way that you. everything you just said. >> Yeah. Did that any of that make sense? >> 100%. It it made so much sense. If. anything, it's probably one of the best. descriptions of it because I really. really appreciate you saying like. I still am uncovering some of the. [ __ ] red flags because I'm still even. in my head being like did that even. happen? Am I is it still some of it on. me? Like I think that is a great message.

to just give to everyone listening is. like it is not normal. You should not be. like, "Oh, that's bad behavior and I. recognize that you're being manipulative. and gaslighting and blah blah blah.". Like when you're with someone that you. love for so long and it does turn into. an abusive situation. It is so hard to. see. And that's why ignorant people that. whether they don't have someone that. they know or it never happened to them. are like, "Why didn't you just leave?". It's so. >> It's so hard. It's so much harder than. that cuz even you to this day sitting.

here being like I still in my head I'm. like was that real? Like it's. >> and even sharing that I'm like [ __ ]. should I even say that? Like there's. something like that feels I think. incorrectly but feels like shameful. about how am I not more solid in my like. healing recovery whatever how am I still. but it's not that Anna it's like you are. present in your reality today but when. you reflect back on that relationship. and that inner dynamic with that person. you are still perplexed by how the.

person sitting here today was in a. situation and how that went like that I. think is normal like I think that's what. people struggle with. And that's why I'm. appreciative of you talking with me. about this because like it is so weird. when you're like, I am happy and healthy. now. So, how can I still be affected by. that? I think it would be weird to not. be affected by someone that manipulated. you in a way because it distorts your. reality completely. >> And so, like you sitting here like I. guess I could ask like how have you. learned and I'm sure you're still doing. it like to trust yourself again?

>> Yeah, it's hard. I mean, yeah. I mean, even even having this conversation, you. know, like in the the I know we haven't. like gotten there, but uh in the the. movie that I made, um. like something small like you know, there are all these different women in. the film and they all have like very. different personalities and that felt. important to me um as like yet another. kind of small reason why it feels like.

hey there's no I wish there was But. there is no way to guarantee protection. from someone who is determined to harm. you. And that sounds grim and and I. guess it is, but surely like the least. we can do when someone has harmed us, when we come out of like a devastating. situation is take off that top layer of. shame where we go, well, I should have. known. I should have seen. I should have.

been different. I should have been the. tough girl. I should have been the sweet. girl. I should have done. And it's like. none of that will save you. None of that. will save you. And again, like I I. almost hate saying that because it it's. so bleak. But I think I have I did and. still sometimes do so much self shaming. around like how did I how did I find. myself in that situation? Yes. Like I'm. a real [ __ ] So, like, how did I how. did I not do the thing that I would have. told you that I would do, which was.

immediately be like, throw a scarf over. my shoulder and be like, "Have a nice. life, dick." And and like I it's there's. something like so vulnerable and kind of. humiliating about the fact that like I. just stayed and I kept thinking I'll. I'll just try to be I don't know warmer. or better or something. I mean, even. when um this was the like our schedule. was getting worked out to to come and. record this, um it was like the next day. I went on social media and I saw a video.

of you talking about an experience you. had where you were like, "Why did I. >> not just leave?". >> And I was like, "Girl, I you were in a. fawn response." And like that's the. whole like woman of the hour. That's. it's like all fawn response. It's all. just like what do I have to do to. survive? Like you were doing what you. had to do to survive. >> Thank you for bringing it up because I. do now want to talk about the movie. That's kind of what we've been building. to is like these themes of every woman.

listening. Yes. I feel like we're both like pretty. strong independent women that we've got. like our careers and people could look. at us and it's like wow like you guys. have got it all figured out and we're. both sitting here being like no no no. like to this day I've been in weird work. situations that I'm like wait like Alex. Cooper the caller daddy person that just. like signed her big deal and all this. like no there have been still moments in. this industry where I am having. uncomfortable interactions with people. and I'm like.

>> wait why didn't I just like. >> do something. >> Why weren't you just assertive and why. were you It's not that easy. And it's. and I I now want to talk about the movie. because you're right. There are so many. themes in it that are so brilliantly. portraying what we as women go through. every day. And then it also women will. be like, "Yep, I've been there. I've. been there." And still to this day, like. I don't know if men completely. understand what we have to go through. and why we fawn instead of scream kick. and punch in the face. Um let's talk.

about the movie. um Woman of the Hour. I. first of all, you were set to, you know, be the lead, right? >> And then you also directed it. How did. this come to be? >> Yeah. So, I actually got the script for. Alice Darling and Woman of the Hour like. the same like month at least. Like I. want to say the same week, but but it. might have been the same month. And you. know, certain movies just come together. quickly and certain movies take forever. So, I was attached um as an actor for. like two years. And you know, you're. just sort of like, well, I love this.

script. I love this story, you know, let. me know. And um and that happens a lot. in uh in the industry. And the other. thing that happens is that sometimes, you know, something will just be kicking. around for a long time and then out of. nowhere it will be like, hey, we raised. the money and we have a start date, so. let's try to keep this train on the. tracks because otherwise it'll probably. like disappear again, right? And so we. were like suddenly starting the search. for a director and uh.

I basically had like 48 hours where it. was like this voice going you should. pitch yourself and me going shut up. Absolutely not. Everyone needs to be. quiet. We're not doing that. Um and it. was that same feeling of like I'm oh my. god I'm going to push myself off a. cliff. And um so I pitched myself to. direct the movie. Um because I felt like. I had become slowly kind of obsessed. with the script and there was a little.

bit of me um like where I would give. like ideas, feedback, whatever. But you. know it it was there were you know. producers, cooks in the kitchen, whatever and. >> I was always a little bit like well you. know if it were my movie I would. probably do it like that but it's not my. movie so whatever. And the idea of um. taking it and just tweaking it that. little bit um was really exciting to me. So, I pitched myself and um I got the. job and then six weeks later I was in.

Canada doing like hard prep for the. movie and then we and then we were like. making the movie and it really was like. I'm going to push myself off a cliff and. I guess I will find out on the way down. if I packed this parachute correctly. because like if if it had been six. months later, I would have panicked and. backed out. I would have been like, "You. guys are right. We should find someone. way more experienced. It'll it'll be. great. But I had also in the last like. five years before that started to have.

the experience of looking around a film. set and going, "Huh? Oh, oh god, I'm the. most experienced person here. Oh, oh no, I'm the most experienced person here and. I'm an idiot. This is a nightmare.". Like, it wasn't like hot [ __ ] It was. like, oh no. But you are like, oh wow, I've been I've been doing this a long. time. Um, so yeah, it felt like, okay, it's kind of a now or never thing. Um,

and I was absolutely terrified. Um, but. I was trying to kind of just like fake. it, right? >> I was like, I'm a super confident. leader. I should be in charge of things. Um, and again, like I don't know about. you, but like I absolutely overthink. things and I can get paralyzed in. perfectionism, all all that stuff. And then when like my back was against.

the wall or like things were really. running behind and you don't really have. a choice but to be running on like. adrenaline and instinct. There were even things in the edit. where, you know, you're you're looking. at like the stuff in between takes where. I would see myself like run into the. frame and like give the actor a note and. like adjust a piece of set deck and I. was like, "Well, that lady seems like. she knows what she's doing.". >> Damn. >> Okay. Like when I'm in a blind panic and. you don't really have a choice, I was.

like, "She seems like she's an authority. figure. How about that?" I mean, it's an. incredible movie and you should be so. proud of yourself. I know you are. But. like to know that I didn't realize it. was that where you're like, should I. pitch myself? Should I pitch myself? Thank god you pitched yourself because. it's awesome. Like it really is amazing. coming from someone that gets so [ __ ]. scared from movies like this. >> I know. I know. I know. And I did tell. you, I was like, "Well, if you made it. through the first five minutes, it's all. it's like it gets easier from there. >> It gets easier." But before like for.

people who haven't watched it yet, the. movie is based on an insane true story. Can you give just like a little bit of a. a bite for them to understand what's. going on? >> Yeah. So, it's based on um the true. story of uh a serial killer in the 1970s. who went on the show The Dating Game. Um. and it moves around through time. So, it's kind of following this like more. than a decade long period where he was. really operating without consequence. because nobody was really looking for. him, which is uh another interesting and.

by interesting I mean enraging um aspect. of the story. But, uh I play the. Bachelorette who's on the dating game. Uh, and that some of that footage exists. online, but the full episode, like all. the footage appears to have been kind of. like lost to time. So, uh, the the. screenwriter kind of used that vacuum as. this opportunity to.

it's it's almost like a fantasy section. of the movie, except the fantasy is what. if a woman stood up for herself? Can you. imagine? Um, but I but it's like it's. interesting because speaking of like. asserting yourself, >> it's a really fun section of the movie. It's a it's a you know it's a it's a. really tense movie but like that section. is kind of fun but as the viewer it's. complicated because you know that okay. she's been shrinking herself and in a.

fawn response and she's like standing up. for herself which is so fun to watch. >> but we know she's getting herself closer. and closer to danger and it's. complicated like there are times where. you go why don't I just assert myself. and it's like sometimes it's not that. simple. Women will understand those. moments where you stroke the ego or you. actually are like so [ __ ] nice in. situations that you're so uncomfortable. in because in your head you're like the. only way I'm getting out of this. situation is to be so appeasing and so.

nice and work it and then all of a. sudden I know I'll be able to get out at. some point. But to a normal person. that's never been in that situation or. isn't a woman is like we why don't they. just like scream and run and you're like. first of all if I tried to scream and. run I'm dead [ __ ] so [ __ ] [laughter]. you. Okay like clearly we're not that. dumb. Um I think that was like something. very interesting in the movie. Obviously, I talked to you earlier. before we got out here about like that. parking lot scene just like struck me.

because I think every woman anytime you. are in a dark area and you are walking. anywhere, your senses go up where you're. like, "What the [ __ ] is going to happen. to me? What the [ __ ] is going to happen. to me? Am I going to die? Am I going to. get murdered?" Um, >> how do you think this movie, like what. do you think it says about how women are. prayed upon in society? Yeah. I mean, well, first of all, I just want to say. like it's so interesting that you use. the word like your senses go up because. even the way that um like that scene was. kind of the first scene that I could. like visualize. Um and I imagined it in.

kind of mediums and close-ups and then. when that thing happens where we've all. been there where like an interaction is. perfectly pleasant and then 10 seconds. later you're like, "Wait, 10 seconds ago. everything felt fine and now like. something feels very [ __ ] dangerous.". It almost is like your entire like your. hearing your peripheral vision is just. like okay where do I see movement where. do I hear movement how unsafe am I and. so that's when like the camera goes.

jumps wide because it's like oh that's. when you would be aware of like oh this. parking lot is empty like re there's not. a maintenance man there's not a passing. couple like all I can hear is the buzz. of the street lights and it really is. like in those moments in your own mind. You're like, "Oh, I can almost hear like. the ringing in my own ears because like. there's nothing. [ __ ] there's nothing.". That is so interesting stylistically. like you having the decision- making.

around the camera angles and how. different not that like we love men and. we love male directors but I'm just like. so curious to know like how a man would. have directed that scene where you're. directing it like so in the presence of. your own body and how you would feel in. that moment. >> Holy man. And there were times when. people were talking about like when we. were on set, people were talking about. me as like a oh I'm so glad a woman's. directing this. And there were times. where I was like, is it making that much.

of a difference? I can't really tell. And then there were like, you know, there were there were a bunch of. examples like this, but there was a. there's a moment where like the girl in. the New York City apartment when she. kind of realizes like, oh, something's. wrong. I don't know what's wrong, but. something's wrong. And she doesn't even. drop her smile and you can just sort of. see it in her eyes. And when we were. shooting that, one of my producers was. like, "Should we just do another take. where it's just more clear what's. happening?" And I was like, "It will be.

very clear to women what's happening.". Like, I think it will be clear to most. men. But I was also like, if there's. like 20% of men who are like, I don't. understand what's happening in this. scene. Fine. Right. That's okay. >> That would be fine. I would much rather. like actually be like, "No, this is how. you would handle this." Like, you. wouldn't let on at all. >> No. >> Um, that's so interesting. Oh, yeah. It. it it was like, oh, I wasn't really sure. how um like being a woman director would. really show up in the movie, but then. yeah, there were a bunch of things like.

that where I was like, oh no, that's not. even what the scene's about. Like what? >> No, I love it so much. And I I think. again the themes are so important for. people in society to just like grasp. onto and understand. And I think this is. like a very accurate depiction. Obviously heightened like we're not all. not like dealing with like a murderer um. serial killer. >> You know, there are so many stories that. I hear where I mean even your story. where you're like why did I why didn't I. just whatever. It's like you did what. you had to do. Are you kidding?

>> I know. >> Are you kidding? >> It's just so weird. Daddy Gang, we're. talking about the Paris episode, the. Paris story. If you haven't listened, go. listen. But like, yes, that story I. remember being so even anxious to tell. the story online at first cuz I was. like, "Oh god, like. >> everyone's just going to say like, "Well, girl, what were you thinking?". >> Like, "Why'd you get on a plane? Like, why'd you go?" And I'm like, "Because I. thought that he was a normal nice man.". Like, I think that's what we all go into. it. Like unless you are burned so deeply. from a young age, which is horrific, and. you have your those like guards up from.

a young age, you go through life for a. while until you hit a point where you. are [ __ ] over in a way that like will. stay with you for the rest of your life. And we wish that wouldn't happen to us. But when it happens, you can't unsee it. But before it happens, you're trusting. people. You're like, I want to trust. people. I want to have a good time with. someone. And like isn't it interesting. that we're so easily uh in induced to go. like well what were you thinking like. trusting someone thinking thinking other.

people are good but then by the way if. you're like oh I'm kind of ky about. dating and stuff right now it's like. well you got to open yourself up you're. like all right oh oh this is a setup. this is a trap oh I see I see there's no. winning there's no [ __ ] winning. speaking of dating as we're wrapping up. I promise. >> no. >> are you are you dating dating? Are you. single? What's going on? >> No, no, I'm I'm I'm single. But it is. funny. I was like I was thinking the. other day, I've I've been single for a. while and uh and I was like, "Oh god,

I'm This is very me. I'm very avoidant. and I I have all these kind of um. >> uh like little traps uh in in my head or. like escape hatches or whatever." And uh. I think like for a long time now I've. been like uh nope no prospects. Meanwhile, I'm like, Anna, every time. your phone buzzes, it's someone being. like, "Oh, I know this guy who writes on. this great, he's on that show that's so. great that everybody loves." And he like. really wants to meet you, so just let me. know. And like I just put it back down. and go, "No prospects for old Anna. Poor.

poor Anna. Nobody wants me." Like it's. like such a game that I'm playing with. myself where I'm like, "Oh, I'm not. wanting to go there, so I just like. don't see what's happening." Like people. like people going like, "I'd love to. take you out for a meal." and me going. like, "Oh, he wants to be buddies.". Like, that's not even a euphemism. That's just like how people ask you on. dates. And it's just amazing the way. that I'm like, "H, >> no one for poor Hannah." It's so. pathetic. >> You're just not in the mood. >> Yeah. Basically.

>> Well, and also like I made this movie. about like the most dangerous violent. man. So, there might be some bleed over. there. >> No, I think it's I love when people are. like, "No, I'm not dating." I think like. we can normalize that when people are. like, "You're not seeing anyone." I hate. those friends that are like, "Come on.". It's like, first of all, shut up. I'll. do it when I want to, but clearly like, yes, you went through something with. someone and you made this movie and now. it's like you're going to get back out. there when you want to get back out. there. Is there anything that's like a. non-negotiable for you in a.

relationship? Oh, well, uh, in spite of. my, uh, not great experience with. couples therapy, um, I was like, first. of all, I'm never getting involved with. a man, meaning like, we're not even. kissing. We're not like, I'm not even. we're not even going to like have a real. conversation. Um, unless you are in or. have been in therapy. Um, and if we're. actually like, oh, okay, maybe this is a. relationship. We're getting a couple. therapists from Jump. From Jump. And. like, by the way, that guarantees. nothing. like even that. But yeah, I I.

>> I love that. A man that's in therapy. [sighs]. >> I know. It warms my It warms my heart. It's a good sign. >> It is not a guarantee of anything. >> You're right. It's not a guarantee, but. at least it's like a little bit more. like. >> it's a little bit more in the right. direction because a man that's like, I. would never [ __ ] go to therapy. I'm. like, what's wrong with you? You're the. one that has the most [ __ ] trauma. Totally like not a good sign. And can I. say I mean even the kind of going back. to the red flag thing that like I'm.

aware that you know I love that there is. a bit of a community and women wanting. to share like this turned out to be a. red flag and like you know we should. know those things and know that like. >> it doesn't necessarily protect us to. look out for those things. Um but I was. like I was thinking about how uh you. know a classic one is like any guy that. says like oh all my exes are crazy. that's a red flag. I was like, you know, all these guys have access to the same. internet and the same culture that we.

do. So, I don't think that they're. rocking up to first dates and going, "Gh, all my exes are crazy [ __ ]. bitches." They're like, "It was a messy. situation. It was, you know, and and. I've been burned." And look, I I I. probably contributed in some ways, too. But. >> I'm like I think as we're learning it, they are too. Not to be like, "Oh, they're like," and I don't even think. they're doing it on purpose. It's just. happening subconsciously. >> No, like the those little [ __ ] are. fully learning off of this episode,

being like, "Don't say this. Do this.". No, you're right. You're right. They're. taking notes. Like, they're not idiots. You're right. I had a guy tell me about. an ex where he was doing like it was. almost like he was getting me to collude. with him by by being like, "No, she was. a great person," but then would tell me. things about her that would make me go, "That's not okay. That's awful." And he. would sort of be like, "Oh, wow. Really? Do you think it was?" And then it was. all [ __ ] It was all full-on. fabricated crazy. But like it it is.

like, "Oh, they're Oh, oh, they're. learning. They're like velociraptors. My. god." Okay, so on a first date, what do. you want to be doing on a first date? Are you going to a dinner? Are you doing. a coffee? Are you doing a [ __ ] Zoom. meeting? >> Oh my god. >> What are we doing? What's your ideal. first date? >> H [sighs] I know. I'm like, is there a. way to just like. have it like at my house in my pajamas? I mean, like you have to look nice and I. will be like recording it for the. authorities, so don't try anything. But. I Yeah, I am like what? Leave the house.

dinner, Alex. That's disgusting. Why. would you say that? >> You'll do a face. >> But go to a movie. What? Oh my god. >> Your movie. [laughter]. How iconic. Yes. >> Kind of iconic. Um, okay. Last two. questions. What is your best quality. that you think you bring to a. relationship? >> Oh god. Um, oh. Um, sometimes uh when I. feel like I've seen like memes and stuff. online about like the girlfriend that. will be like, "This isn't what he. ordered." You know how like some men are.

are like, "Oh, that well this isn't um. but that's okay and I'll just eat it.". Like I'm very much like the bodyguard. Like I think I'm compensating for how. short I am. I'm always like, "Wait, wait, now hang on a second." Um which is. weird cuz I'm the person where if the. wrong thing comes, I'll just eat it. But. when it's somebody else, and it's the. same thing with friends where I'm like, "Where are they? No, no, no, no, no, no. Who said that to you?" No, no, no. Where. are they? I just want to talk. No, no, no. I just want to talk. Like I go I. really talk crazy to people. It's It's a.

lot. But I I don't know. I like that. about myself. >> I kind of love it. >> It's way I don't know if you find that. it's way easier for me when it's. somebody else. >> Of course. And then to stick up for. yourself, you're like, "Oh, no. No, no, no. Never. Never." But to someone else, I'm like, "Oh, I got you, [ __ ] I'm. coming in full swinging. Like, let's. go." No. >> I'm like, they're already dead. I don't. We don't even have to worry about it. I. slit their throat last night. It's fine. >> That's a good friend to have. This is. good to know about you. Britney's lucky, but you're also lucky with lucky. >> Um, last question. What do you think is. like the biggest misconception about.

you? >> Oh god, I don't know. I don't know. I. mean, sometimes, okay, sometimes I don't. know if this counts as like a. misconception, but um sometimes I truly. don't realize how dry I'm being. I have. like such nervous kid sister energy. around um like real like comics. Um, and. uh, so I'll try to like be funny. Like. even even if someone's just funny, like. I'll be like, "Oh yeah, I have to like. keep up." And I'll go so dry that.

>> I think sometimes I don't realize it. comes off like I'm being dead serious. I. saw a video of I saw a Tik Tok of myself. once. Um, I was at this party and uh. this guy like, you know, just got me to. do like a video with him. Um, and I was. joking that he told me that he'd been. like filming me from across the party. And it was fine. It was fine. Whatever. Um, but I was like, "Oh, we're doing a.

bit about how like, oh, you were. secretly filming me, motherfucker.". Like, so, okay, we're doing like I'm. like, "Yeah, we're doing a bit." And. then I see the Tik Tok cuz it like went. viral and I was like oh my god it seems. like I'm it seems like I'm it seems like. I'm ready to kill this man which like. look mostly am I ready to kill men at. any given moment a little but I was like. I'm being so funny and then I saw it. back and I was like oh my god and all. the comments were like wait is she being. serious? And I was like I don't know am.

I being serious? My god. Like, and it. really I'd never like seen just a video. of me doing a bit that wasn't like. coming across as a bit. So, I was like, "Oh my god, how many times? How many. times?" Cuz this is like the tone that I. snap into when there's like a comedy. director or something like where I was. like, "Oh, wow. There have got to be so. many situations where they're like, I. don't know. I thought we were getting. along fine." And then she like freak she. like went like dead eyed on me or. something. Meanwhile, I'm like, I'm.

being so funny. It's going great. Okay. Like, I'm nailing it, Anna. You're. nailing it. >> And that is the end of our episode. [laughter]. And that concludes today's session, ladies and gentlemen. Um, Anna, thank. you so much for coming on Caller Daddy. This was so fun. You're amazing. >> Both of us. Thank you so much for. everything. >> Thank you. Thank you.