Alex Warren: The Grammys, Hype House & Homelessness

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your. founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call. Her Daddy. Alex Warren, welcome to Call Her Daddy. >> Thank you. You have had I was going to. say you've had the craziest year, but. then I feel like it all started really. in COVID for you. Yeah. >> Your life has just been. upwards since then. It was Hype House to. now music, and you've just blown up into. this superstar, and you have this.

fandom. >> Heck yeah. You're like, yes, keep going. Keep going. >> Please. I sometimes get extra spread. with my In-N-Out, too, so. You're so high-maintenance. >> Um does it feel real? It does feel real. now. For a long For this last year has. felt like a dream, and then I actually. got a second to like look back at it, and and it it does feel like. I guess it's a little shocking, but I. guess it feels real now. I don't want to be in South Rome and be. like, oh. No, no, no, I get it. It's. like you can only. You can only fathom as much as you can.

because you're also still living it, and. you're also still growing, obviously, as. an artist and as a person, but it is. really cool to see your success. Um I. also realize I'm welcoming you back to. LA because you used to live here, then. you moved to Nashville. >> Yeah. What inspired that move? >> I technically live out I live in. Tennessee, not in Nashville. I think the. city I I don't like major cities. anymore. You're done. I just my wife. want want her dream was to have horses, and that was one of the things where I.

I'm from San Diego, and I love surfing. and everything, so I have a place here. that I surf and and skateboard and get. away after tours and stuff, but um I. wanted my wife to have that farm life. that she wanted, and it was also it's. also nice cuz I live so far away that no. one knows where I live. Okay, but to go from a San Diego surfing. kid to being kind of in the middle of. nowhere, what has been like the biggest. culture shock for you? It's so funny, there isn't really a. culture shock. San Diego The only thing. is you're not by an ocean. Like San. Diego, especially, everyone's nice. You.

walk around and everyone's greeting you. When I lived here, I went and introduced. myself to the neighbors and they were. like, "Why the are you introducing. yourself? Who cares?". >> away from us.". >> Yeah, like everyone's You know this. It's like these houses are next to each. other and I love I grew up in like the. cul-de-sac vibe of everyone knew each. other and said hi on walks. And I try to. wave at everyone when they're on walks. and they just ignore me here. So. >> such a good point. I grew up in a. cul-de-sac, too. And I thought that was. the norm. Then you get to LA and. everyone's like, "Don't bring me. cookies. Don't welcome me." Oh my god. >> "Fuck you." Right. My wife made My wife. made a sourdough for like everyone in.

our cul-de-sac and it was crazy where. like we left it on our doorstep when. people in LA and we would go back the. next day it was still there. And here or. in in Nashville they'll they'll give. they'll take it and they'll receive it. and then they'll make you another one. It's really cool. >> Are you leaning in? Like are you wearing. cowboy boots? I've worn boots for a. little bit on tour, but that's more of. like a I stole that from Benson Boone. >> [laughter]. >> Love that. >> He I still don't look like him. I'm. still trying to out part. But no, I I right now I've just been. I've just fully embraced that I I don't.

look like I belong there and it's been. nice. Well, I'm so happy for you guys. and I'm so happy for you. You have new. music. You have an arena tour coming up. You were recently nominated for your. first Grammy. What has been the most exciting of all. of those? Wow. I think the Grammys was the most. exciting. The. Growing up, I was such a I was not a. good singer growing up and especially.

that I did choir and court like I think. it was called chorus and and the teacher. was like, "You know, you should probably. try something else." And I would always. do talent shows and no one cared and I. all the friend all of these kids would. make fun of me. And so I think the. Grammys being nominated for a Grammy was. like, "Oh, cool. Like I'm supposed to be. doing this." Can you take me to that. moment where you got the phone call and. you found out though that you were. nominated? Like where were you? What. were you wearing? What you were you. doing? I totally did not like and I I. mean this when I say this, I did not. think I was getting nominated. I think.

especially I've had a lot of prove in. this industry coming from social media. So. for that I was like oh like they're. going to they're going to show me that I. don't belong and I'm going to get really. sad. Um my friends they all flew out and. surprised me at my house and we're like. we're going to watch it together and I. was like are you crazy? This is the. worst and so I left and then I came back. right in time um. thankfully and I sat down and they were. all filming and when they said my name I. was the second to last person and I just. remember breaking down and crying.

There's a video of it and I just. remember breaking down and crying with. my wife and it was it was really cool. and then I went and ate sushi. Okay, so you get to the Grammys. >> Yeah. Who were you the most starstruck. by? Cuz you see it on TV growing up and. then you get in those rooms and you're. like oh it's real. Like everyone's just. rubbing shoulders with everyone and I'm. here. >> Yeah, it's a little bit intimidating. >> It is. I I think. there these I don't know. wow uh I was I met Billie Eilish which.

was really really cool. She's so sweet. Um I think I go into every room thinking. everyone hates me. So I. >> [laughter]. >> don't know. I went into this room and I. like I I'm I'm. they were very sweet. Chappell Roan came up to me. I had a. malfunction during the show and. she came up to me and she was she was. like dude like if anyone understands. it's the people in this room and you. sounded amazing. I totally we'll get. into it sure. I I was I was down and I think she could.

tell and she came up to my table and was. the sweetest ever and I was like I love. you. You saying that you walk into a. room and you think everyone hates you. Is that you think in this industry or in. life? >> In life. I it's funny it's it's truly I. I don't if I had a therapist they'd. probably diagnose me with so many. different things. I. I don't know. I I was a heavily bullied. kid. Like I got kicked out of parties. all the time and Parties? Yeah, I would. walk into a party cuz my friends would. be invited and I would walk in and.

everyone would be like calling me a lot. of words that you can't repeat today. And I think it's just cuz I did social. media and I sang. Like I was a I would. sing in bathrooms and in at my house and. I would just post them on the internet. and I wanted to do this so badly and I. think you're really lame until you make. it in this type of stuff. And so like. everyone would just I was not a cool. kid. And so as this stuff started. happening, you know, ordinary, I would. look for the hate comments. I'd go on. Twitter and I'd be like, okay, well, everything's going really well in my.

life. What could go wrong? And I looked. at my name on Twitter and everyone's. calling me these different things and I. was like, so it is true. I'm still this, you know? And so I Yeah, it was it was. just Now I carried on. I think every. celebrity has seen my TikToks and thinks. I'm just some cringey. one-hit wonder and yeah. Alex. >> It's It's fine. No, but it is like I. guess what is so crazy is how we all. internalize, obviously, the focus on. ourselves of like what we And and to.

your credit, like getting kicked out of. parties, like being the person that. people were always like, get him out of. here. We don't want him here. That's. going to stick with you. But then it. also is like you've evolved and you've. grown as a person. And sometimes too, we. still have self-beliefs about ourselves. that don't never existed. >> Right. And a lot of people, when you're. walking into these rooms, have no idea. about your TikToks. But we're our own. worst enemies. And so you're walking. into these rooms and you're like, oh my. god, they must know when I was doing the. Renegade. And it's like Yeah. No one.

knew. Oh god, I get chills thinking. about that. >> remember how to do the Renegade? >> I never learned it. That was the thing. I never I was a chubby little I don't. even know what I was. I was behind the. camera all the time, you know? like that. was like for me I would film my wife. And I thought my I I've still to this. day think my wife is one of the funniest. people ever and she's that was my. content. I was like, "Well, I want to. show everyone who this woman is." And it. started doing really well and that's why. when I started doing music I was. terrified cuz I was like they didn't. sign up for this. They didn't sign up. for me. So, all of a sudden I'm like,

"Hey, I make music about my dead. parents." [laughter]. And people liked it and I was shocked. and I was like, "Wait, people finally. like me. Something has to be wrong." And. that's when I went to Twitter. I love how instead of a lot of people in. your position I feel like would be like, "Oh my god, people finally like me. I'm. going to hold on to this for dear life. This is the best feeling in the world.". You're like, "What's wrong? Who's. pranking me?" No, I don't believe it. My mic. Um can we go back to the Grammys. though? Because you obviously mentioned. Chappelle's advice and obviously this. was.

huge. Um people were so excited for you. to perform at the Grammys and then it. broke our hearts when we saw you. essentially have these technical. difficulties during your performance. Now that you've had some time away from. that moment, which was such a huge. moment for you in your career, how did. you feel about that night? Can you just. kind of take me through it? Call Her. Daddy is brought to you by Clorox. Disinfecting Wipes. We all know how good. it feels to reset our space, okay? Whether it's actually messy or you're.

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happened. Right when I So, the way it works is the. medley's happening. So, in my ears I can. hear whoever was singing before me, right? Something happened and everything cut. out. And they're like 30 seconds and I. said I can't hear anything. I can't hear. myself. And the guy's like, "It's live. TV, 25 seconds." And I go, "Guys, something's wrong." Something gets. blasted in the left ear and right ear I. hear nothing. And I go, "Guys, I can't. hear." And so they start I Someone was. filming this backstage. Like there's. definitely a video that exists. They're.

messing with my pack messing with my. ears. They're like, "It's your ears. It's your ears. It's your pack. It's. your pack." 15 seconds. 10 seconds. And. in my head I immediately go I look up in. the sky and I go, "This is meant to happen.". And I just go, "Let's do it." And so. they can't fix it. They blast it to see. if anything is happening. Maybe it's. just low. I start singing and all I'm hearing is. what's from the other room. Like a crowd. mic is on or something. And so once I. start getting into the hallway, there's. this hallway and in the performance, I.

get the left ear blasting again. And so. it's just the left ear, right ear's. gone, and in the left ear it's for. anyone who understands audio, it's it's. mono, it's not stereo, so it's blasting. and it's not good quality. There's no. mix to it. So all I'm hearing is my. voice super loud. I get down to the steps. and then immediately I start hearing. echoing on the right ear. And so I take. it out and then that made it worse, stupidly. And so once I get onto stage, I hear a. and my ear gets a click again, and I put.

it right back in and it's fixed. So I. think it was an RF issue. When we. rehearsed it, they weren't expecting. 20,000 phones to be in and everyone was. filming. And so the RF cut it out and. then once I got to the stage, cuz. there's two fins I would assume, once we. got to the stage, I got it back. When. this is happening in that very moment, cuz I didn't realize you had a little. bit of panic behind the scenes that we. didn't see. When you're walking down. those steps, did you at all think like. can we stop? Should I just stop this?

Well, I I to be honest, during that. part, I'm supposed to be engaging with. the audience, by the way. So when I'm. walking down, I'm supposed to be like, "Hey guys, I'm at the Grammys. This is. cool." And instead, you will see pure. horror in my eyes. I truthfully was just. trying to find the count. And so I did not think should we stop or. anything cuz I There was part of me that. was like, "Okay, I can't hear myself and. then just stop." But imagine what would. have happened there. Cuz the time is. slotted. It's live. So it went through.

my brain as I left the tunnel, should I. stop? But then I thought, then this. would be the most awkward social moment. in the world where it's just a camera on. me standing there crying. Right, you're. like, "All right, let's pause." And then. you're like. I just wanted to get over and once I got. over it and once we were at the top, you. know, I'm terrified of heights. I'm. horrified of heights and that entire. time I wasn't thinking about I was in. the air, I was thinking, "Please get me. back on time." Oh. Wait, why did you. agree to do the heights?

I wanted it to be special. Okay. Now I'm. realizing it was a bit megachurch. I. don't. >> [laughter]. >> I don't know. I love how you're like, so you had this. whole vision for this whole thing and. then nothing went as planned. >> No. Okay, Alex, then I can't help but. also think like you end the song. What. is your immediate dominant emotion in. that moment once it finishes? >> Don't cry on live television. So I. waited until the camera went off of me. cuz I knew that there's a moment where. the camera's on me, but I was like.

holding back tears cuz I looked to my. left and right and everyone was like you. did so good and everyone's screaming and. I was like, "Wow, this is like really. really emotional." I get off stage and I. just run up the stairs. And there's a. little room for changing cuz keep in. mind they're announcing the winner right. after this. So I have to get to my seat. I have 3 minutes. And they're like, "You. have to get to your seat." And I'm like, "Do I have to go out there?" Like I like. there Do I have to stay here? And. they're like, "Just stay as long as you. think you can." And so they change me, I. rush down, I'm wiping my eyes, I sit. down, and.

immediately it goes into the the. nomination for best new artist, which I. was up for. And immediately I'm like, "I'm so destroyed. I'm I'm There's no. shot I'm winning this. I just. messed that up so bad." And I'm sitting. there and and Olivia Dean won and I was. like, "Oh my god." Like I mean, I was. really happy for her. She deserved it. 100%. But that was Once that happened, I. was like, "Damn, I want to go home." So. did you have time to cry? No. No, no, no. So I I guarantee there's. videos the whole time the whole entire.

Grammys my head was on my wife's. shoulder the entire time. I did not want. to look up. I did not want to talk to. anybody. And like there was just a few. moments like again, Chappell 100% saw. that I was like just distraught and she. came up to me and was so sweet Like I. will never forget how sweet she was. because of that. And um yeah, it was it. was uh it was a really bad. What did. your wife say to you when she. >> She's the most supportive person in the. world. Like, literally, I. it sucks cuz I expected so much that I'm. kind of just like, "Ah, you're just.

saying that." Like, I was like, "My. career's over." I literally over and. over and over again said, "My career is. over." When you were sitting in the. seats with her? >> Just muddling it out, and I was not. entertained. The I would watch the. Grammys camera guys come up to me and. then just move away cuz they didn't want. to do it. Like, it was it was I was not. doing well. And then when you're sitting. also in that seat, I can't help but. think you are someone who is obviously. so heavily on social media. Your career. started on social media. What did you. think that people were saying online.

about you before you got to check your. phone? >> I deleted everything that night. I. deleted Twitter. I was like, "There's no. way I'm going to do that to myself right. now. I'm fully like, that's off my. phone." Um, but I was like, "You know. what? Like, this should be I should show. people what I went through, what it. was." So, I filmed the video. And I wanted to be like, "Oh, this is. exactly what I heard in my ear, this is. what it was like." And I posted it, and. I threw my phone, and I didn't look. And. the next day I checked it, and every it. had 50, 60 million views on the. internet. >> And everyone was fully supporting you.

>> Yeah. How did you pull yourself out of, you. know, first you're sitting there saying, "My career is completely over." How did. you pull yourself out of it? Lady Gaga. called me. And she. she called me, and she's like she gave. me the the coolest pep talk in the. world. And I think that was like the. right room to even do that in cuz like. if anyone gets it, it's musicians. Lady. Gaga had called me and was just like, "I'm so proud of you. You don't realize how many people you. just helped. Imagine every kid who goes. to a.

a or does a. a talent show, or every kid who does a. theater show, or does a performance, and. someone this happens to them, and they. think, 'Wow, this can happen at the. Grammys, this can happen.' Like, you. know, I think it gives someone um. some some motivation and know that it's. okay, and it stuff that stuff happens.". So she she gave me that pep talk. >> it's a great pep talk cuz it's also such. an indicator of there are things that. you cannot control in this world, right? You prepared for it, you rehearsed it, there were no problems in rehearsals.

You have a beautiful voice. You were. ready to go and then tech failed you and. you're like, "Oh.". I think it sucks cuz it wasn't my fault. Like I can live with the fact that like. oh I messed up. Like I hate the fact. that I I didn't, you know what I'm. saying? But I also think for the. circumstances that I it took me a lot of. like looking at the scenario and. watching the video of just like okay I. did everything I probably could have. >> did. Were there any other celebrities. other than Chappell that came up to you? >> Noah Kahan. Noah came up to me and he's.

Noah and I have just been friends in. passing like we always just run into. each other and he lives in in Tennessee. and so like we just we literally will. run into each other like at a. supermarket or whatever. And he comes up. to me and he he's the sweetest sweetest. boy. I love him so so much. He was. really kind. Um Billy Billy was really. really sweet and I'm obsessed with Alex. Wolff and he was really sweet. I feel. like those are the perfect people that. came up to you. Also why do I feel like. Noah Kahan I just feel like can you just. hug me? Like he's so cozy. >> a hug and he was very cozy. That beard.

is very nice. Perfect. So made you feel. >> if you think about it. Love that. So. made you feel better. Yeah. An old I. don't know if we should call her a. friend or a colleague was also at the. Grammys with you Miss Addison Rae. I. think it was so fun to see the internet. just freaking out that the fact that. these two people who started on TikTok. were both at the Grammys together. I. know that you FaceTimed her when you. guys found out you both got the. nominations. What was that conversation. like in kind of that full circle moment. like? I I was I'm an emotional wreck I.

guess like I I really am. I FaceTimed. everyone and Addison was the first to. pick up and she. she was just like it was the same thing. we were on cloud nine. I. None of us I think we're expecting it. and so the fact that it happened was. really really cool. She of course was in. some huge fur coat somewhere on with. snow behind her in the middle of of I. think it was November. I don't remember. exactly or September. I was like what. what is happening? And she's like it's. Faze. I was like no I believe you. I. but it's crazy that like.

I it's just this whirlwind, right? Like. you like you said we're both 19 years. old when we met and we're filming these. videos. I think 18 even. >> Were you guys close back then? I. I wouldn't say so. I would say like as. close as you can you live with these. people, right? And so but it was weird. during Hype House it was very much like. a hierarchy and especially cuz I wasn't. a good looking. um. boy. Who made thirst traps? I was at the. bottom of the pole.

And so not a lot of people even knew I. was in the Hype House and that was I was. fine with that. I loved it. I wanted to. be a musician. When we created Hype. House I even said I don't want to be. attached to this in any way. I just want. to make music. And so. that was how it was and then things. obviously went went on but she she was. always just we were always friends. >> And then do you think you guys ended up. getting closer as you guys almost left. the Hype House? >> I think everyone got closer after. Why. do you think? It was so everyone told everyone that.

you were special. Everyone every day was. like you're the next this, you're so. hot, you're going to be this, you're. more famous than this person or you. suck, you're not this, you're not that. And like it was a very weird um place. where like you know, you had a video do. really well that day and so you were. awesome. And then the next day or two. days later maybe you're going through. something. We were 19-year-old kids, 20-year-old kids. Like that's. we were doing whatever and you know, you. have personal things. My mom died and I. was like this is happening here and I. think it was just like a weird.

um thing where it's like okay, well that. person is going to start like. staying over there and we're not going. to invite that person out to dinner. because of this and like this person's. doing really well right now. So and so. after I think everyone just was like. I need a break. Right. It's almost. like you allowed all of the competitive. dynamics to kind of dissipate and then. you could just look at each other being. like wow, we have this shared experience. and I now have such empathy for all of. us. If there is someone who for some reason. is watching this and does not know what. the Hype House is. First of all, does. that make you happy or sad?

I think it makes me happy. Okay. I think it makes me sad. >> happy. I think the beginning of Hype. House it would make me sad. I think that. it was. it was clung onto for so long that it. was kind of like what the is this. turning into? So can you explain to. someone who is not familiar what the. Hype House was? >> a group of night like 17 to 21-year-olds. where all of us and this concept was so. foreign was just a bunch of kids started. renting a mansion together. And keep in.

mind none of us could afford So. like these houses weren't furnished. And. that was like the thing. So like we. would film in these empty mansions that. were not furnished. And imagine you and. all your friends during your college. years decided to go rent a frat house. that was fully empty but really nice. And your job was to film thirst traps. and I don't even know. You're like that. was like you had to make up a job. One. day you woke up and you go what do I. want my job to be today? I'm going to. look at my camera and bite my lip and do.

this. And that all of a sudden you could. buy Lamborghinis. That was that was. that. Wait, and you guys actually were. the ones that were funding the house or. were there like random agents and. managers that were paying and then. taking a percentage? >> on the month. Like it really did. Like. it depended on the month of like what. was innovative at that time cuz there. was not a thing like that. And so every. single month we'd get like like someone. would come down and say like hey by the. way now you have to film 10 TikToks per. month if you want to live here. And then. the next month it was hey you got to. film four TikToks and shout out this.

energy drink and you can live here. And. it was like very much like oh cool, you. get to live in this house, you get to. live rent-free and. and then all you have to do is make. these videos. It was a. the best gig ever. Can you. describe your experience living in the. Hype House in three words? Jesus. I don't want to like make it like it's. it was great. >> No, it was great. It was great. >> Um. fun. dramatic. >> [laughter].

>> Um this is the synopsis of my biography. by the way. Um and. rewarding. I would not be here without. it. >> I love how traumatic just sits like. right in the middle. >> and then it's a very it's like if you. put like you divided it traumatic here. and that's there. What age do you think. you guys would be down for a reunion? Cuz I feel like you guys like need a. little distance. >> Wow. I don't know if some members would ever. be down. I think depending on who you. are like Charlie. Like I don't think. Charlie should ever do that. I think.

Charlie was such. she was so young. and like especially Kover was so. protective of her and. I it's really. I don't know like [clears throat] that. girl's been through a lot. >> A lot. Everyone saw Charlie and. especially when she did really well and. was just like oh let me go film with her. and like I felt like that was such a. transactional weird thing and. probably not. Yeah, probably not the. healthiest. Maybe one day. Maybe when. you're like 60. >> We go to the zoo. It's our favorite. >> Perfect. Okay, we're going to do quick. rapid fire to close out Hype House.

>> Okay, cool. Oh god. >> [laughter]. >> Okay, you're like cool then you're like. wait traumatic again. >> No, let's do it. Um okay, what was the. most reckless thing you ever did for a. video? Oh, um. we were playing hide and go seek tag and. I I I um I hid in a helicopter. Okay. The Was it just casually sitting outside. of the Hype House? >> was on the driveway. This is like very. indicative of the times. The fact that. there's just casually a helicopter. sitting out front of the Okay. Um what's. the most embarrassing thing you ever. posted on the internet? Oh my god, I. deleted a lot of them. Uh.

>> You did? Yeah. Couldn't you monetize. that though? I don't care. I do not care. I don't want my kids. seeing that. Um Wait, give me an. example. [laughter]. I just a lot of the. I'll get there. I'll get there. I'll get there. Wait, what is an example? What's the. most what? Embarrassing. >> Like embarrassing video you posted on. the internet. Uh there's a video that I. uh a friend of mine or Dixie Dixie would. dress um she would dress uh in in. clothing and then I would I asked to.

borrow her clothing so I could dress. like that and realizing that I did not. look good in a thong. And so I deleted. that. I probably look great now but just back. then I didn't. You know? Yeah. It's a butt scarring. I. I'm just trying I'm not actually I'm not. trying to picture it. I'm just trying to. yeah, okay. >> sell that later. >> That's good. That's good. It's it's in your drafts now. >> somewhere there. >> [laughter]. >> My wife is it's her wallpaper but it's. fine. >> Covar, we love you. Who in the hype. house at the time was the most annoying?

The most annoying? Is there like a shot. that I could drink besides answer that. question? Um the most annoying. I want to be honest. So, I'm trying to. think. I think the most annoying person had to. be Vinny. Okay. >> And it's because Vinny's so good-looking. and didn't try. Does that make sense? Yeah, he's just coming around. No, but. the guy eats burgers. Like that's the. thing. Like he eats uh the the amount of. money that man spent on Taco Bell alone. And then he'd be like, "Yeah, I do have. a six-pack." I'm like, "Fuck off.".

>> And so you're sitting there looking at. these guys and you're like. Do you know how badly I wish I could. have done that? Are you joking? Are you kidding? >> You're like, "I didn't want to put on. the thong." That's what I do I'm not. kidding. Every day I would watch what. these guys ate trying to replicate it. thinking that like I swear I have like. an underlying eating disorder. >> [laughter]. >> after living with these guys. All they. ate was Taco Bell. Every god damn meal. was Taco Bell. Like I was die I was. keto. I was Ozempified. I I was on. everything and I couldn't lose the. weight. And these guys were.

stuffing Taco Bell and smoking weed 30. times a day. It was crazy. Yeah, that's. really annoying. >> Playing video games. Okay, what is the. craziest rumor that spread online during. that time? Oh, everything. I would I. remember like cuz paparazzi, that was. really like I bet a lot of them called. paparazzi. But I would wake up half naked and my. Remember like there was the Hype House. that was with all glass and I would look. out the window and there's 400 kids. waiting there trying to get pictures. with whoever and paparazzi there.

And I I I don't even remember the. question. I'm so traumatized by this. >> No. What was the craziest rumor that was. like spread online at that time? Um. >> [laughter]. >> You're like I'm waking up naked. >> Yeah. in a glass house. >> I just unlocking memories. >> Um. I don't even know. I think a lot like a. lot of the time it was like. it people would like screenshot and. like just make up things that like I was. not like I was texting other girls or. stuff like that. And I was like I was.

like have you guys looked at me? Like. I'm I'm questioning what my wife sees in. me. You think I'm going to go find. someone on Snap? It was just like a weird thing where. like I think everyone especially was. just trying to like tear you down which. I get it. I. Looking back at it, it was a weird. time. >> so Do you remember Saddle Ranch? >> Oh my god. I was there the other day. Why? I was there the Grammy after party. Someone was. I was across the street and I looked. over and I was like wow, that's. crazy. >> you were at Sunset Tower. >> Yes. What is that place? What is that place? >> up. You used to be at Saddle Ranch. Now.

you're at Sunset Tower. >> watch all the cool kids go to Sunset. Tower as I was answering, you know, paparazzi questions in front of Saddle. Ranch and be like I want to go there and. it was like you couldn't go. Well, now. you're there, Alex. I'm really not. I'm. like waiting outside. >> are you're nominated for a Grammy. Shut. up. [laughter] Um what is last one? What. is the most money you ever spent on a. video? Oh. If it wasn't my own money, it was. branded money. It was like $75,000. >> Oh, wow. And keep in mind, I was. homeless. So, like that that is like.

wanting to keep that money was such a. thing where I just didn't want to even. post the video, but it was like I had. signed a deal saying I will spend the. money that I was given for the video, right? Or like you get credit for. things. >> I see. And what was the video? I had. It was like something in Target or or. not Target, it was a. I had to buy like a bunch of inflatable. stuff to do like a a thing where I. surprised the whole house inside of it. with like a water park and all these. different things and this was the budget.

to spend on the video for the brand. And. I remember at that time I had not made. any money yet. And I when they sent me. the the credit I wanted to keep that. money so badly and I spent it all. I didn't get I I literally I was betting. on the monetization and that video got. demonetized. Oh, and you're like, "Motherfucker." Do you know how many. times I wish I I saved that money? But now you know and you learned your. lesson. >> But there was a lot of money floating. around at that time. >> much. And especially like you have to. think like a lot of us at that time,

like I was a 19-year-old kid. I was. homeless at 18. Like I was That was. right after and I never seen that much. money ever and it hit your bank account. You have to spend it. Can we talk about. that for a minute because I'm thinking. about you talking about how you're. living in this house that is this glass. mansion. And yes, some people were. saying, you know, it was a dream and. you're saying it was a dream, but it. yeah, it feels like it clearly had a. little bit more weight to you because. you were homeless before moving into the. Hype House.

>> Right. >> Your mom had kicked you out. Can you for. anyone who's not familiar, can you just. tell that story? >> Dad passed away when I was 9 to cancer. My mom spiraled ever since then. I mean, rightfully so, single, four kids right. during the recession, left with nothing. And she just didn't want to live. anymore. And so, she just drank and. drank and drank, just trying to kill. herself. And as time went on, I realized. it was a problem, and I would. I was a kid, I didn't know, but I would. just call her out. And I would pour it. out. I I thought, my mom's supposed to. be perfect. What are you doing? And I.

would just dump it out everywhere. And I. became enemy number one for my mom. I. was the reason why she was drinking all. of a sudden. It gave her a sense of, oh, I need to drink to deal with this. And. so, um yeah, as time went on, I think. once I turned 18, it was like that that. day on my birthday, she kicked me out. and I couldn't take anything except for. what I owned. And at that time, it was a. camera and a computer. And so, I started. sleeping on my friends' couches and um. sleeping on uh in cars. And that's when. I started filming with the camera and. editing with the computer. And um.

that's when I started doing well. Do you. have siblings? I do. Yeah. Did they stay with your mom? They did. It My older sister was is a lot older, so she was in college and didn't really. understand the scope of things. My older. brother was uh in a Marine, so he was. not home. And then my youngest sister. uh was too too young to understand. I. think she was just like I think everyone. growing up thinks your parents are. perfect. And it hadn't hit her yet. And. uh once I left, it started hitting her. And she was like, I need to get the F.

out of here. And eventually, my uncle uh. took her out of it. But um yeah, it's. it's it's always I always get the. questions like, what did your siblings. do? What Why would they were never. there. I've had a lot of conversations. with friends or people on my show where. like they they're it's so weird when you. talk to your siblings about trauma or. even just childhood in general, and you. have such a different experience than. siblings. And I think sometimes it's. hard for people to fathom that cuz. you're like, what do you mean you were. in under the same roof? But it's like.

you really can have such a different. experience with a parent than your. sibling. And to eventually come to terms. with that is weird. Like have you and. your sister. been able to talk about your childhood? >> It's so interesting. It's like you're I. have a camera on me. I literally talked. to my sister about this like a week ago. I. Yeah, it's there's a lot of unresolved. tension. I think it's just like. I don't know what she went through. She. was so much older than me. She remembers. my dad way more than I do and I don't. know what my siblings went through. All.

I know is they all. somewhat got it. Like the moment I moved. out, I remember my mom had just been. wailing on me, just punching me on the. ground and I had never hit back ever. I. I just don't believe in that and so I'm. sitting there taking these punches to. the face. and I remember my brother uh he just got. home from the military, walks out, hears. it and sees it and he just puts her in a. chokehold and backs up and says you're. not doing that anymore. And I remember. just then and there running out of the. house. My brother ran out with me and um.

I would I was sleeping at a friend's. house and she had figured it out, called. the cops and said I hit her. And so it's. just this whole thing of like thankfully. I had my brother to collaborate what. actually happened or else I would have. gotten picked up but like my mom was. like that and that was like a really. crazy thing. Very crazy cuz I also remember I read. somewhere you had said that your mom was. the greatest woman in the world when she. wasn't drinking but the problem was she. struggled with alcoholism every single. day. Like how did you reconcile those.

two complete different versions of her. cuz you had experienced. her without it. >> would drink at 5:00 a.m. and sleep all. day. So she would start drinking like. 3:00 or 4:00 a.m., stay up all the way. to take us to school and then she would. sleep all day from there and. consistently miss us from picking up, you know, at school but then would be. alive and well at like 8:00 p.m. So. around that time I knew there was a. window where like okay, my mom drunk. would like write suicide letters and. then show me it and go, "I just wrote.

this suicide letter and I'm telling. everyone it was your fault." And then, literally that same day at 8:00 p.m., it. would be it would be I just want you to. know you're my favorite son. And like, she would be so kind and so genuine and. like want to like cuddle and like watch. a movie and like spend family time. Let's go out or on New Year's Eve, let's. bang the pots out back. And like, that. was like all of a sudden like from if. you knew a window, right? But then, all. of a sudden. I think I turned 15, and that window. just never existed anymore. And it just.

became her. Have you been able to, in. processing like the loss of your mother. and time away from it, like. tried to wrap your head around like. where you think the like vitriol and. hateful moments towards you. came from in her most painful moments? >> I I I I figured this out I think I have. it figured out. My mom. My mom was so I misunderstand my mom so. much. My mom was so in love with my dad.

So in love with my dad that she could. not imagine a world living without him. And so, she didn't. She just survived. She. didn't not She died right when all of us. left. Like, my my little sister was the. last to go, and once he she knew she was. taken care of, she died. And truly, that entire time my mom I. don't think my mom cared about having. kids. I think my mom cared about having. kids with my dad. And once that. disappeared, it was just, "Okay, I hate this. I hate my life. I hate my.

kids. I hate the things that I'm in.". And I don't think she meant it in that. way, but I truly just don't think that. she wanted to live anymore. And so, she did what she had to do to. survive, and that was to drink her life. away. But I could never put myself in that. position. I could never say. I could never be there and and try and. imagine that just because like imagine. imagine being four having four kids, your husband of your life, and a. recession hits. He dies. You're in over. your head in medical debt. You have no.

money to your name. You're $300,000 in. debt. And now all of a sudden you've. never had a job. And you all of a sudden. you have to just. live? I couldn't. It's also so hard too cuz. when you then now are becoming an adult. and you're married and um I know you. earlier referenced like maybe one day. having kids. Like all of these things. you become. really like cognizant of like what you. would want to do differently. Um and. you're kind of talking about how now you.

have perspective on your mother. Like. before she passed were you able to. reconcile at all with her? No. I and. that's that's the the many regrets I. have. I remember I don't know what. spawned this. I was driving and I was. driving and I I literally was like my. biggest fear is dying alone. And I don't. know why I started thinking about that. And I was like wow, dying alone I could. not imagine. And I started thinking. about my mom. And I said she has no one. I mean like [snorts] there's no one. there to even help her take the trash. out. So I texted her and I just I was. like hey, just thinking about you. Wanted to send you this picture and you.

know, whatever. Um. and never delivered. And it turns out. that she was already pretty much dead. And I was like Like that's like we. I remember going to going to um. the hospital and she was just they tell. you she can hear you, but she's yellow. Like I don't know if you've ever seen. it, but someone dying from liver failure. is probably. top five worst things to see. And they're just they don't look like a.

human. They look like a zombie. They're. yellow and purple and they no hair and. their hair is all white cuz it couldn't. survive. And so you're you're seeing. this and there's something called the. death breath. It's the most. horrifying thing in the world where it's. like you think it's the last breath and. it's like a. and then it keeps going. And it I was. oh but that was that was something where. I. I I think we all had a moment where we. were like we forgive you and everyone. left the room and I sat there and I'm. just like I'm so sorry. Like I'm so sorry I let you.

I let you but I'm so sorry that I I felt. a sense of responsibility. I felt like. the thing is like say what you want that. my mom did. Like I am a son. I should. have Like. whatever she did and it could be. anything and I think like yeah some. people could say like oh well you didn't. deserve It doesn't matter. I am her son. I can't imagine what it's like dying. alone not knowing anything and I. remember the last text she ever sent me. before and I stupidly didn't respond. The last text she sent me was I have a.

problem. I'm going to AA. I for something else and and she died. She tried She either thought knew. something was wrong and she tried to fix. it and it was too late or she tried to. fix it and she died trying. Oh my god. I mean Alex like even hearing. you talk about this there's so many. layers of you have guilt. You wanted uh. you obviously made an attempt to repair. it with your mother. You both which is. so relatable. kind of reached out to the other person.

and the other one wasn't ready to accept. it or willing to accept it at the time. but you both had the same intention. You. both were genuinely you loved each other. and you weren't able to show that. whether it was because of the illness. she was experiencing or the anger that. you had for her and you're getting. physically abused. So it's like at some. point of course you should remove. yourself from a situation you shouldn't. be there with open arms. Um but when she. passed I can't help but also think like. you were alone for a lot of your life,

right? When she was alive you were. surviving and it felt like you were. alone because you didn't have a mother. and you didn't have your father and then. when she passed you were. physically literally alone. Um how did. both of those versions feel different. I think when I when she was alive, it. fueled me of I'm going to prove this. person wrong. My entire life my mom told. me that I wouldn't be a singer. It just. wasn't going to happen. I suck. I sound. bad. It's you need to go to college and.

get a degree because you need to do it. this way. It's never going to happen. Those people aren't like you. Um. So when this happened, I wanted to so. badly. be like, I did it. you. I think now. I did it and I miss you. I think that's that's the hard part is. like. I think I was insecure and I didn't. understand it and. now it's kind of like dude. I wish. I could like tell you. You know, like I. this my friend just had a kid and she's.

learning how to ride a bike and there's. this thing he was explaining to me the. other day of like, you know, it's so. cool. It's like this person she started. riding a bike and she looked back and. she says, look mom and dad, I did it. And. the thing with the Grammys and all these. different things is. it really I wanted to look back and say, yeah. You know, like my dad would. do these talent shows and he was so and. this is what makes me excited for kids. is I can't wait to be what my dad was. for me is a supportive person that. no matter what, like it was just you can.

do it. Like he was fighting cancer and. waking up every morning just to give us. these experiences just cuz he knew it. was limited and and. to be able to do that for my kids and be. able to be supportive and show them that. you can do anything and I think I'm a. testament to that. Like this entire time. and things I've gone through to be able. to play at the Grammys and and be. nominated for Grammy with everything. that I've gone through is as I feel like. it's you can't you cannot prove to. anyone that it's not possible if if you. look at that. >> Oh, completely. Like I think the the.

amount that you. survived. throughout your childhood and the. adversity that you had to overcome. you shouldn't have had to go through it, but it only prepared you more for this. chaotic industry that you've now. walked into. Um. do you feel safe now? Whoa, yeah. I I I Yeah. That's a loaded question, Jesus. I I am, yeah.

My career is a perfect example, I think. where I am in my career right now. I think a a good amount of people I've. gotten to. And I've also watched it just go down, you know? And I think that's part of me. is like I'm such in a fighter flight. moment that like. I don't ever want I was homeless with my. wife. I know exactly what that's like. And as much fun as I had with my wife, I. never want to do that again. I want to. have kids and I want to give them the. life I never had, you know? Like I want. to be able to be there for my kid, which. means I want to keep doing this. I want. to keep touring. I want to be able to.

provide for a child and be able to be. present in their life, which I feel like. is a privilege and a luxury that not a. lot of people have. I didn't have that. Um. and so I I'm probably one of the most. not. in the moment person ever because of it. I'm constantly thinking, okay, how do I. do this? How do I do that to make sure. that I don't go back to this? And every. time a song might not do well or I suck. at a performance, I'm beating myself up. about it because I'm so scared that um.

either my mom's opinion is right or that. I will go back to where I was. Right, you're like constantly in survival mode. >> Right, right, right. >> You're constantly on the edge of like I. could lose it all. >> I mean, the Grammy's a perfect example. I sat there the entire time saying my. career is over. And do you think it's. going to just take you continuing to. live experiences like the Grammy's and. then guess what? You're sitting here today. You've got a. new song out. Like everything is okay. I hope so. We've got all these. songs out. It could go all downhill for.

all I know. I don't think I'll ever get. out of this. Okay, we're going to work. on it. Just a little bit. Next time I. see you, we're going to be like, okay, hopefully, maybe. >> No, I've done a lot. Like. I I. I have an amazing wife. I have an. amazing career. I make music that I. absolutely love. I do what I. love. Like I I get to play arenas. Like. that's nuts. Um I have amazing friends. Like where I. am today, and also I'm healthy. I love. what I do. I I work out. I exercise. I'm.

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to him all the time. Very good-looking. Every time I dated a girl, the test was to bring him around, cuz he. was notorious for stealing my. girlfriends. This is your best friend? >> Oh, yeah. We We We weren't friends after. this the last one, but he was notorious. for trying to get with my girlfriends, or. he was very attractive, and I There was. something about it, but he would He. would just Yeah, it's a And you stayed. friends with him after multiple. >> person, Alex. It's just a thing. I'm. like, wait, so this happened multiple.

times? >> realize until the last one. But yes, yes, I had a I had a I had an intuition. Um, anyway, I was driving with this. girl. She was texting him, and they were. sending like hearts and saying like a. lot of and I was just like, it's. cool. I'm Keep in I'm 17, 18, so it's. pretty It's pretty like I've been dating. my wife since I was 18, so a lot of. these are elementary relationships. >> Of course. Of like, oh my god, you. cheated on me with Bradley on the swing. set. Um, but no, it it was just four or. five times, I think, that I was like, this these people are texting other.

people, or actually hooking up with. other people while I'm with them, and. um, I was just a hopeless romantic, so. every time I would get cheated on or. broken up with, I would go to a piano. and go, "Why me? Why are you doing this to me?" Like, it. [laughter] was just. It was bad. >> And then you'd be like, okay, I'm over. it. And then you'd go to the next. person, and then it kept happening, and. then eventually, you found Kober. Yeah. Okay, can we go back to the first time. you saw your wife on someone else's. Snapchat story? >> Yes, it's a a modern-day love story. >> It is so romantic. >> Thank you. Um and you said that you. immediately were interested when you saw.

her on this story. What was it about her. that caught your eye? She was She wasn't wearing any makeup. and she wasn't trying and she was what. She was sleeping and Kim and she still. sleeps to this day. I'll go surfing in. the morning and she finds the comfiest. rock to lay on and she'll fall asleep. And I'll literally be up in the out in. the break and I look in and she's like I. know she's sleeping like this. Like. she'll just sleep wherever. She's so. good at falling sleep places. Um but she. was just like she looked just naturally. beautiful without trying and if you look.

that beautiful without trying, I bet you. look beautiful all the time. So Who is. filming your wife back then [laughter]. sleeping? My friend She had moved to Hawaii and. became roommates with her. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So they were. always like with each other and. they both had really box-dyed blonde. hair. And so this woman who was tan as. hell cuz she's from Hawaii has this. box-dyed white hair. And I was like this. is the hottest woman I've ever seen in. my entire life. >> Oh my god. Okay. So how did you guys end. up talking? Like how did you initiate.

>> back Snap-chatting back before they put. me in contact. She had a boyfriend at. the time and I was like I don't. with that. I don't do that and so. whatever. It was like a week or two and they ended. up not working and she started talking. to me. And she was like oh like you know. whatever. She flies out to San Diego. with this friend um cuz this friend's. also from my hometown. And she I. remember she walks out of the uh she. walks out of the the baggage claim and I. just everyone looks like they're wearing. the Hawaiian shirt very like like very. touristy and this girl wearing a bright.

yellow T-shirt tanner than with. white hair comes running out and I go. that's my wife and I literally I had. waited so for four four to five months. we were long distance without ever. seeing each other. And she comes out and I had never said I. love you and she was texting me I love. you or love you and so apparently love. you and I love you are different but. we'll get Wait, so the first time that. you guys physically meet in person is. she flies to San Diego to meet you. >> Yes. I see her and I've been waiting to. say I love you. I run up to her like a. movie. I kiss her and I go, "I love. you." It's the first thing out of my. mouth.

Yeah, and then she say back? Duh. Okay. And then I took her to In-N-Out and then. we had our first night together in a. Motel 6 that I borrowed $75 from my. friend to buy except at the time I'm. homeless. Did she know you were homeless? Not yet. Okay. That night she found out. So you were explaining the Motel 6 and. >> at In-N-Out and I was like I I I we were. with a group of friends and then she's. like, "Well, where are we staying. tonight?" And that's when I said I I got. us a place and then we went to a Motel.

6. Keep in mind that this entire time. I'm thinking that this woman is about to. bail on me because this is not romantic. This is horrible. Um and I I looking back I'm a piece of. for this. Um but. at we went and I was like, "This is I'm. sorry. This is what it is." and I. explained it and she's like, "Fuck it. Let's do it.". So her reaction was just like, "You know. what? Here we go. Here we are.". >> "Fuck it. Let's do it." was her exact. words. >> Although you were so excited to say you. loved her in the airport, there must. have been some. >> Terror. Terror. Terror. I was horrified,

but I wanted if this was going to be the. only 6 hours I ever get with this girl. that I've literally fallen in love with, I want to show her how much I love her. So this entire time I we went to. In-N-Out she had wanted to try it for. the first time and I knew this hack that. you could get a burger in a water cup. and then if you got fries, but you added. it a certain way it was $4.38. Things. have changed obviously with inflation. But um. that was what it was and I knew I could. afford it so I had a $5 bill. We shared. a burger and. I my friend all our friends cuz I didn't. have a car and we had stayed in a motel. and then later the next day we sleep.

slept in that same car. I um started in. a long distance relationship as well and. I think that there's something really it. gets doesn't sound sexy and beautiful, but there is something really amazing. about it cuz it really forces you to. just talk and talk and talk and FaceTime. and you get to really know each other. well. Like, what do you think though in. those four months without being. physically together, what was it that made you know that you. were so in love with her and you were. ready to tell her? We would be on. FaceTime without even talking. Like, we.

would just not talk and I would fall. asleep with my phone as if we were. sleeping together and she would be. falling asleep. And so we literally I'd. wake up some days we were still on. FaceTime. And it was like it was like it was. I I was in fact like it was 3:00 a.m. obviously, but like. I I was just always like, what the. Like, I'm I don't even live with this. woman and and I want to spend every. waking moment with her. I would FaceTime. her with I'm with friends. I was that. guy who people were like, "Dude, get the. off your phone." and I couldn't not.

talk to her. I was toxic probably, but like like. that's the thing. Right, you you were. really into it. And you had but then you. somehow managed to kind of keep it like. I'm not telling her that I'm fully. living out of my car right now. >> to realize I'm kind of a red flag. >> No. Like, this is like this is what this. is from. >> isn't she? So, she can attest like you. turn out okay. And so far the marriage. is going well, right? >> it's amazing. >> Okay, so perfect. >> never been better. Um you get married at. 23. >> Yes. Which for some people's standards. is pretty young. >> Yeah. How did you know you were ready.

for that big step? Uh my dad, before he. passed, one of the few things I remember. he he said, "Make sure you love the. woman that you're marrying." and he for. some reason would always say five years. >> [laughter]. >> Was this thing. He would always say five. years and I was like I was like I the. moment I met Kober, I knew that I wanted. to marry her, but I knew I was really. immature and like you said I had red. flags. I wanted to make sure that. through high powers, through everything. that A, if I'm going to marry this. person, I can provide for this person.

If I'm going to marry this person that I. and keep in mind I didn't have that when. we started living in a car. I wanted it. to be able to do that, you know? Um I wanted to make sure that I was. emotionally and mentally mature enough. to be able to be a good husband. And I. wanted to make sure that especially. after marriage comes kids, I wanted to. make sure I was ready to be a father. And so like that was the biggest thing. for me was like it you know, I. I grew up really quickly and I I started. to live out like my childhood days or. like be a little bit immature when I was. like 21 where I was just like figuring.

out what kind of man I wanted to be. Um. And so I really wanted to make sure that. I had that out of just like I I don't. want to be married starting to have kids. and. We were always practically. married but like just doing the whole. thing I wanted to make sure I could give. her a grand wedding and and and be able. to have her family come out and do. everything and when the timing made. sense it happened. Oh my gosh. Wow, that's really It's beautiful to hear. like how it started to then obviously. the wedding and everything and where you. guys are now. >> it. She wanted to get married like 2. years and I was like trust me it'll all.

make sense. But that's sweet that you. weren't rushing and you were like slow. playing it cuz you're like I need time. What do you think would you say is her. best quality as a partner? I. A, I would say that the her creativeness. just in general I'm so infatuated with. her but B, she's such a provider. Like. I. I'll be like in a session and she'll. bring everyone home cooked meals. Or. like every night when I do sessions like. if everyone comes to my house for a. studio cuz I have a studio at my house, she'll be like okay here's food for. dinner from Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.

And she has these horses and she like. grew like she has everything kind of. planned out where you know, oh like. nothing's impossible to my wife and it's. the coolest thing in the world. She built my half pipe so I grew up. skateboarding and I was like wow, I. really want a half pipe and she's like. oh buy it and so I bought it and it came. in lumber obviously and she goes cool. I'm going to build it. I said what? And. she's like I'm going to build it. I. don't know how but I really want to. learn. And so she did that and then we. we had bought in our first home and. she's like cool I want to build a rock. wall and so she went and got brick and. mortar and literally figured out and I I.

come out I have photos on my phone of. her on a scaffolding with knee pads and. goggles with a paint machine and she's. learning how to paint walls and she. built every single bedroom in my house. with wood to make this cool like it. Damn. Dude, she wanted to make the art. so she made all the art. She does my. tattoos. She learned how to do tattoos. Like all of this is her. And so like. nothing my wife is impossible at saying. I can't do that. >> Wow, that's really admirable. Dude, it's. the coolest I I quite literally. trust my wife. If she really wants to,

she can do anything. That is. a beautiful quality to have as a human. being and really inspiring. I can't also help but think about, you. know, when you guys you meet and then. the hype house era begins and you guys. so much of your relationship started. online and then has continued to be. online. Like was there ever a time that. the internet got in the way or caused. problems in your relationship? 100%. Like I think that was that was again. where I was as like.

for me back when I was like 21, 22 years. old. Not 22. Like 20 19 to 21 was the. three years where. I was just like. like looking back at it I was just like. oh I want to get the clip. Like I got so. I got so infatuated with the fact that I. need to make sure I'm never homeless. again that I started to just be like we. need to film this, we need to film that. To the point where I was like I'm not. even taking her out on dates cuz I'm. like so focused on getting a video. Like. we'd go out on a date and I'm like oh we. should film this TikTok or whatever the. hell. And like so for me at least I was. like okay I need to be I if I want to.

marry this woman and I need to get my. act together. And that was right. when I started music and just like kind. of becoming who I am today. I think with. Ordinary I was so like this is the first. thing that's ever gone really really. well and I wanted really lean into this. and I was touring for the first time and. that was really difficult for us as a. couple cuz it was like. I've been with you for five or six years. and you've never we've never stan spent. a night apart ever since we started. sleeping together. Like you know, and so.

all of a sudden I have to say goodbye to. you for eight months. And so she's been. going on tours and we've been finding a. really great medium. It's so fun having. her on tour. She brings the dogs and we. she cooks and it's it's the coolest. thing in the world. I just need to get. better at what at dates. Like that's the. one thing where I'm like. >> Come on Alex. >> I know. >> Let's Let's pop it up. Let's think of a. good date night. >> but we every time we plan a date night, we look at each other and we go, "Should. we just watch a movie and pasta?" Like. that's the thing. What if next date. night, you even if she's out doing.

something, you just make the house a. date night. >> See, that's sick and I've thought of. that. >> can do that. >> Cuz I I'm the same way. I'm like, "Oh my. god, a date night is so much better when. you're just at home and you're cozy.". >> her to try. Like I don't want her to do. anything. >> But you need to try. >> I know. >> [laughter]. >> I know. Alex. I know. Okay. Some flowers and candles. >> Every time I just write like a really. like depressing love song about her and. I'm like, "Look." And she's like, "Fuck. her. Take me out to eat, asshole.". >> [laughter]. >> I know. You know what's so funny? It's. like Cover has like the dream life where.

like a guy is writing you these like. gorgeous songs, but she's like, "I get. that every day. Let's go. >> She's like, "It's fine. You said that. nine different times. Can we go. eat some fettuccine alfredo?". >> Okay. Take the girl to get some fettuccine. alfredo. When you do, post it on your. story so we all know. >> I know. >> And tag me. Um okay. Your vows Yes. have. over 13 million likes and I think. everyone cried watching them. Everyone. was like so obsessed when you post them, obviously. Um when you look back at that.

day, like what was the most important. thing that you really wanted to convey. to Cover in those vows? I will never. write anything as good as those and that. was fully the night before. I was so. cocky going into it. I was like, "I'm a. songwriter. I can easily write these. vows." 11:00 p.m. it starts and there's. the cursor that's blinking on on Docs. and it's literally to Cover where I say. Cover and it's how it starts and I blank. and it's 3:00 a.m. Nothing. Not a single. vow. Not a single word has been.

written cuz I couldn't fathom how am I. supposed to sum up the fact that this. woman changed my life into a page and. say it in front of all of our friends um. and family. And so I I was freaking out. My friend at the time, he was still up. working and he's like. "Step away from the computer and. tell me about her." And I just start. talking. And I just literally just start. blubbering like everything that I feel. about this woman and he's like, "Write. it down." He's like, "Write that down.". He's like, "Write that down. That's. good. Write that down." And I blink and. it's just this this. That's what the.

vows were. Was just me not thinking and. talking about my wife. And I just wanted. it like it's hard to explain. I say all these things on on here and I. say all my wife slept in a car with me. and people probably if I was people I'd. probably listen and be like, "All right, dude. Shut the up." But truly like. this woman. dropped out of college to sleep in a car. with some 18-year-old dumbass who didn't. tell her and was like, "I'm homeless and. I want to be a singer." And this girl. goes.

"That sounds like I want to do that.". Like how do you sum that out of like oh. this woman is an angel who saved my. life? >> No, it was meant to be. And so when I. when I read it I couldn't I couldn't. bear I knew it was right because every. time I tried to read it I couldn't stop. crying. So after I wrote it I never read. it again. I wrote it down in a notebook which what. I end up reading during the the the. ceremony and I never read it before I. went up and I just said it. In the vows. you say she saw something in you that. you didn't see in yourself. What were.

you referring to? My wife. sees the good in so many people that it. ends up hurting her. And that. is something with me that I I'm. I'm like stop but at the same time I. love you for it and she just sees so. much good. And in me at least I think. that there's a lot of brokenness. especially when I met her. Like my mom, she was alive for. for Cova. And my mom was a horrible. person to Cova.

Terrible. Enough to give anyone a reason. to to leave that. And she understood. everything. She understood She was She. handled it with so much grace and so so. much so much decorum that I was like, "Wow. How can you handle that?" And so, it's. just to me at least that that was what I. was thinking about when I was writing. that. I was like, "You put up with so. much So much of my. So much of my selfishness. So much of, you know, to go through whatever that. was, the Hype House, and and how who I.

was during that. Now, a music career. where I'm fully traveling all the time. and singing and talking about us and all. these things, kind of laying it all out. for people." Like, that I can't Yes, it's great, but at the same time there's. so many cons to that, you know? >> Yeah. You guys have that even you just. saying that of like I was just thinking. about it. Like, one. as hard as it I'm sure was that your mom. treated Cova that way, there's also. something so beautiful that she got to. meet her. So, you are able to sit with.

her and when you talk about it, she's. like, "Oh, no, I get it. I was there. I. lived it with you." But then you're. right. Like, the trajectory of starting. from this place of living in your car. and she joined you to now this. extraordinary life you're living. And. you've got a studio in your house and. you're, you know, you've got this. amazing wife and you're building these. memories. Like. >> Feels like a movie. Yes, but that also. takes like a lot of communication. through that growth to be able to make. sure like, "Are we good? Are we still on.

the same page?". >> Are you a therapist? >> No, but I'm just thinking of like. >> This is really nice. I like the I I this. couch is getting really comfy. You're. sinking in farther and farther. >> some well-great refreshments. I'm. But do you know what I mean? Like. >> anything next week? I'm Yeah. We'll be. back here same time next week. But, do. you know what I mean? Like, the the. growth has been amazing on paper. But, like, that's a lot to handle as an. individual and as a couple. So, like, kudos to you guys that you guys have. been able to stay so connected while the.

thing is growing so large. >> Dude, it's been really cool. Like, we. literally go, like, "Can you believe?". Like, we were Again, we bought our first. house not too long ago, and. >> Congratulations. We stood in front of. it, and I was holding her, and I was. like, "Can you believe this, dude?" Like, it was such a We had this. such a I wish I could relive that moment. every time, or at least show Coven Alex. 5 years ago, 6 years ago, or whenever it. was. Like, we I was saying I was like, "How nuts is this? Like, this is our. fence." Like, we were We were looking at.

the weird inanimate things that no one. thinks about. Like, "Honey, this brick.". Like, we went around the house, and I. was like, "That brick right there. That. brick in between all the 500 other. bricks, that brick is ours.". >> You're grateful. That's Dude, it's so. cool. And it's been so nice, too, cuz. like Coven and I, especially during the. whatever times, like, it's. We were so easy. We're so easy to please. cuz we slept on floors and whatever the. And so, it's so nice. And it's. really nice is when I start to get a. little bougie, or when she gets a little. bougie, I'm like,

"Coven." And she's like, "You're so. right. You're so right." I like I'm. like, "That was kind of fucked." It's. like finding the balance of being like, "We deserve this, and let's enjoy it.". >> it's the best. Cuz that's our arguments. That's always our arguments. I was like, "Coven." She goes, "But, we deserve it.". I go, "That's a little stupid." Or you. have to have like a barometer. It's. like, "Are we pushing it too much?". >> wife and I only argue about one thing, and it's. ch- children name and and a rug. And. who's supposed to pay for the rug. >> Rugs are so sneaky expensive. >> thousands of dollars for rugs.

Thousands. I I What is that? I I I'm. rugless right now because I I my The. principle is I don't want to pay that. much for a rug. >> Okay, wait. Kid names. So, who has the. crazier kid names? Like, are you more. chill with them or is she going more. chill and you're going crazy? >> it's like taming it a little bit. Like. she's a little bit like, "Oh, well, this. is really cool." And I'm like, "Sweetheart, but you don't want to be. that like the couple that does that.". Like I think there's originality, but. there's always like I really like that. name. And she's like, "If you tell. anyone our names that we've come. up with, I'm going to murder you and.

your children will be fatherless." And I. said, "Look, I don't want to do that to. them." It's It's been a whole. >> them, but then you're also like, "I. know, but babe, like no one's going to. name their kids these names." So what's. >> gatekeeping that note app. It's got a. lock on it and it's hidden and it's. titled something fully. completely different. She is so. protective of her kid names. >> Honestly, respect. I've seen a lot of. women online be like, "I can now tell. you all the extra kid names I have now. that I've named my kid.". >> some of them are like Sephora. I'm like. like. >> [laughter]. >> like Bicycle-ette. Like it's going to So. you're not naming your kid Bicycle-ette?

>> No, but maybe. >> Okay. I I did That was right off the. dome and I'm I'm I'm I'm It sounds. gorgeous. Bice is a really great. nickname [clears throat] that I've been. thinking. What songs is your wife's. current favorite? >> My wife literally just plays a rotation. of Taylor Swift. Like I I That. >> No, your songs. >> Oh, I thought you said my wife. Sorry. I've been so obsessed with talking about. my wife. >> No, what are your wife's favorite songs. of yours? ALTHOUGH WE LOVE TAYLOR. >> OH. OH. OH. >> WAIT, WHAT'S HER FAVORITE Taylor album? Do you know this? >> Folklore. Folklore. Oh. >> Love folklore.

>> right, but she always talks about. folklore. Do you know what her favorite. song is of Taylor? Uh no, but she's. always singing long live every something. I take. Sun and the light shine just for. me and you. >> Yeah. And but I she. >> Your songs. Her favorite of my songs, she is obsessed with one called um. called Only Thing Left, which is a. breakup song, funny enough. >> Okay. I wrote for a show. >> [laughter]. >> I'm like, "Out of all the love songs,

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writing process. The people I work with. today are the people I've always worked. with. Like, I started with them and I. stay with them, you know? And so, everything that I write is with them, and so this song especially, you know, all of us have are in really great. relationships, and we wanted to write. about this feeling of falling in love. for the first time and what that is. And. there's this euphoric feeling when you. do, like when you see that person for. the first time, and maybe you've seen. that person every single day, and then. the one time you start to be like, "Wait, I'm seeing you differently. today." And if you get this weird like.

warm feeling, and you kind of like you. get your their number, and then they. give it to you. And we wanted to kind of. put that in a song. Also, I feel like. I've seen in interviews you've said like. you wanted to get lightly away from some. like it being all sad music. >> Yes. >> So, this is fun. >> It's fun as hell, and it like there's. still like nine different other sad ones. that you could listen to. >> Perfect. Right, you're still going to. give us that. >> Yeah. But you were giving us an. uplifting one, too. >> think it's really obvious when you hear. a song and okay, Alex is crying again. about his dad. Let's off. Okay, the. um cameos in the music video.

>> Yes. Paris Hilton. Crazy, right? >> Can you explain how. >> I'm so excited. >> I know. Like, how did you get the queen. In passing. I When the Grammys thing. happened, she had commented and and we. had, you know, talked. And when I was. thinking of this music video especially. and we were writing it, I wanted it to. not make any sense. And when the. whole entire music video is I'm chasing. this girl that's supposedly my wife. And. once I finally reach her, I get to her. and it's Paris Hilton. And she.

slaps me awake and I'm homeless, still. homeless, busking cuz I never met my. wife. So, the whole music video is just. random things like, what the hell is. that? And then you finally get to the. person and it's a weird like, whoa, I. was not expecting that. And then you you. it's it's at the end end it's like this. weird like Shutter Island vibe where. you're kind of like, wait, what this was. that the whole time? How cool that you. got Paris Hilton in a music video? >> by the way. She's like, her reputation. reputation precedes her of like, she's.

quite literally just such a sweet girl. >> She's incredible. >> And so intelligent. She's so smart. So, so, so, so smart. She is every She's. everything and more when you meet her, which is really cool. Um you've had a. lot of cameos. >> I have. Like, how the hell did you get. Jennifer Aniston to be in that skit? She's the best. >> her. What a like, to this day I still. text her and it's just. she's amazing. I had her boyfriend and.

her or really they like the music. And I. had Ed Sheeran had asked if he could. connect me with Jen. And I was like, Jen who? But sure. And. so, I gave him my number and I got a. FaceTime and it's Courteney Cox and. Jennifer Aniston on the FaceTime. And I. was like, holy. >> [gasps]. >> This is crazy. >> This is crazy. >> And so, I played Ordinary for them on. FaceTime and um I'm still like to this. day I still talk to both of them and. they are just so amazing, so supportive. and. um I had asked her if she would be in it.

and she literally I sent her the script. cuz I wrote it. So, I wrote this script. with my friend and I was like, "Please. judge this if please as you may." She. goes, "It's amazing. I'll do it." She. didn't change a single thing. She loved. it and she acted in it and she showed up. and I've worked with a lot of people and. this girl. I I admire her so much just for her how. she walked in and just nailed it and. goes, "All right, later." It was the. best surprise on the internet seeing a. skit with Jennifer Aniston and you. I. was like, "What? What is happening?" It. did feel like a fever dream at that.

point cuz I was like, "This is not. making sense." That's I also love how. they just like casually FaceTimed you. out of nowhere. >> No, I like I was like I was like, "What. the is happening?" And Max. Greenfield from New Girl was on the I. texted him and I said, "Would you be. down to be in this?" And he said, "I'll. be there at 3:00 p.m." and just randomly. came. It was so cool. >> are you've got some good cameos. >> I'm so happy about it. Like I truly. >> good. Um so, can we say like. there is an album coming? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. I'm not Taylor Swift. No one.

gives a No, >> [laughter]. >> yes. Okay, and how long have you been. working on it? >> Uh. a year I think or so. Like it's it's. been in the making for the last few. months but like the the the songs and. titles and stuff have been in the making. for a bit. Um. I heard that maybe. you're going to. share something exclusive here on Call. Her Daddy today. >> anything. What do you want to hear? Where's my phone? I don't know. I You're. going to play a little something. >> Yes.

I would love to. Of a song. >> So, I can give you some backstory on. this, too. This is a sad sad song. >> Okay. >> My [clears throat]. dad, before he passed away, wrote me a. letter. Okay. >> And I have yet to ever read it and so. I'm reading it after this. I'm driving. down to his grave and I'm going to read. it to him. And I'd written a song about that of. just like he loved writing letters and. so I wrote him one and I want to read. his letter and then I'm going to read. him I'm going to cry. I'm going to read. him mine and uh my wife who's the best. person in the world she bought me um she.

found his sports car that he bought. before he had us and had to sell it for. cancer treatments and he she found it. and bought it and so I wrote a song kind. of just like. if he had missed anything to keep him up. with it and so I don't know if we can. send you the audio to it's better but. I'll play it you it how's that? You can start it whenever. >> [music]. >> Intros are too long these days. >> already emotional.

I wrote a letter to you last. [music and singing] night. instead of talking to the dark. So much I want to say ever since you've. been away [singing] and I don't want to. skip a part. I went [music] out and bought your old. car. that I wasn't old [singing] enough to. drive. I didn't have your hope so I told myself. wish that I could take you for a ride. I. miss you more. >> [singing].

>> the more you [music] miss. What I'd give to hear your voice on. nights like [singing]. this. I miss [music] you more. the more you [singing] miss. >> I'll play the whole song. >> I will. This is sad. It's sad but it's so. beautiful like that you have this outlet. in this career that you're able because.

so many people are going to also be able. to connect with that so many people have. lost loved ones or parents and not been. able to have that final conversation. they wish they could have had. >> Yeah. Um you were nine when he passed? >> Mhm. So, you have had a letter. Yeah. since you were nine years old that you. never opened. Mhm. I'm thinking. [clears throat] about I really want to. have kids and Cobra and I are going to. start trying and I. I don't know. I feel like there was a. time and place that I'm supposed to read. it. How did you throughout those years.

decide not to open it? I don't even know. I don't There was no plan. It was just. It was just for me. I I don't think I've. ever been ready. I think like for. everything I've gone through and how. self-deprecating I am, I do think I'm. emotionally pretty mature. And I think. the one thing for me, at least, is. um. when I read it, I want it to mean. everything to me. And I I just think. like right now where I am and everything. I'm I've accomplished, I think I'm proud. of who I am and I want to read that.

in that state. >> Yeah. Did he give you this letter or did. you someone give it to you that they. found it that he wrote it to you? >> The. The day he died, it was 5:15 in the. morning. My mom comes in to wake me up. and says, "It's time to say goodbye to. your dad." And I remember walking down. the steps and he was dead. And um. Yeah. I had just I was sitting there just. literally hitting him. and just telling him to wake up and.

um. after that, I prayed and I I I. I. um. my mom handed all of us cuz my dad had. written it one for everyone. And I was just thinking the other day, I. was like, I I have no idea how I was so. scared to. There was a. a award I was accepting and I was. terrified to accept the award and the. Grammys, I was scared for it. And I was. thinking about it and I was like, my dad. was terrified. Had to be.

He was dying and he wrote these letters. and he was strong enough and fearless. enough to do that. I was like, "I he can. do that, I can do anything." And. so. I just remember I read it when I was. nine and I haven't read it since and I. don't remember a single thing. Are you going to play that song for him. at the grave? Yeah. I played it for him already. I played it. for him when I I wrote it. I went I went. there after I wrote it and I did I. hadn't been to his grave in so long and.

I went and I just I dropped my knees and. I broke down cuz. all the graves were clean and everyone. had flowers [clears throat] except for. mine and I. I had put I was so selfish. I thought. that I shouldn't go there if I wasn't. ready needless to think that but. I went and I had no one took care of it. It was dirty. It was. whatever and so I spent the day and I. cleaned it and I went and bought flowers. and I put it in. I sat there and I was. like, "Dad, I'm nominated for a Grammy.". And I just I spoke to him as if nothing.

ever happened and um and I played him. the song and now I feel like it's really. nice that I get to go down there and say. hi again and and I feel like that's like. what I need at least is just be able to. like be there and talk to him. >> Yeah. Your dad, oh my god, he would be. so proud of you. >> Hopefully, He would. >> tattoos though. So, I don't know. >> He'll be focused on the music. Um is. there anything that you. leading up to re-reading this? Obviously, I agree. Like I don't read. remember much at nine years old. Like is.

there anything you're looking. Are you looking for anything when you. read this letter that he wrote you? Are. you hoping for anything to be in that. letter? I think I'm. No. I I just want I think I spent my. entire life pushing away the thought of. my dad because it made it easier to. digest, you know, the fact that I didn't. have one and now I'm so. this last year with Ordinary and. everything in my life changing.

overnight, I feel as if I. I feel closer to my dad. and feel closer. to my mom. I feel like I I just want my. dad, you know, and I think that's the. hardest part is like, you know, I. I want to read this letter and feel. closer to him. I want the other day I read a bunch of. letters that he had written his best. friend and I just I realized I write. like him and I talk like him without. ever actually being. around him. So, I just want to be able. to read that letter and. >> [clears throat]. >> and feel like I have a dad again, which.

is sad, but also um. hopefully healing. I think it's so beautiful that you've. been able to. take this passion of yours and also pour. so much of yourself into it and um. again, I know like you've joked being. like, "Oh my gosh, I always write about. like my parents or all my situation or. whatever." But like again, like it is so. relatable. This is These are real-life. things that all of us go through and. there is no solve for losing a parent. There is no you know, happily ever after.

when you're grieving something and it. doesn't go away in a month or a year. Like it stays with you forever, but I. think it's really inspiring to watch how. you've been able to weave your passion. and your art in a way that helps you. heal, but also simultaneously is. allowing other people to heal. Like for. your fans who are watching this, like is. there anything you hope that they either. take from that specific song or any of. the songs that will come out on the. album?

I write the. Yes, I want. everyone, especially with grief, no one. talks about it or everyone just kind of. views it as something like to like shove. off. You don't want to be that person in. the room. You don't And everyone always. says like, "Oh, it gets better." and all. these things. And I I say this all the. time, it gets manageable. It's never. going to get better. You will always. have that piece of you missing and. there's going to be things that you. remind you of them and it happens to me. all the time, but you start to if you. start to push it away and you don't talk. about it. You don't consume things about. it. you don't talk about people, you. start to forget the way that they smell,

the way that they look, the way that. they sound. And for me, if I'm going to. have kids, I want them to know who their. grandparents were. And so when I write. these songs, it's like logs of kind of. like this is something where at least. for me, when I went through losing. someone, I had no idea how what that. felt like. I had this feeling of this. emptiness, but I couldn't explain that. feeling. I couldn't There was no outlet. for me to listen it to it or watch it. And so when I make these songs, I'm. hoping people who've lost someone can. listen to that song and it allows them. some sense of comfort. It's almost like. a blanket to hold, but it doesn't. necessarily make you warm. That's.

beautiful. It's It's. It's become bigger than you, which is. the goal, I think, whenever you're. creating art, right? >> I love it when people play my song and. they have no idea it's me. Cuz. that means it did something. It went. past whatever the this is. And it's. also just been so fun to watch, I think, for so many people, like your career and. the trajectory and your story. Like. we're all rooting for you and I think. it's so fun, even with the Grammy. moment. It's like. it was so in Alex Warren fashion to.

>> Right, only that would happen to me. I. literally got off stage and I was like. that only happened of course. >> No, only. Of course, cuz it's like you. have been this like relatable, tangible. person since day one that you've been. sharing your story on the internet. And. so of course, like if something's going. to go wrong, the best part is that like. we all know you in a sense. So it's not. like you're this like untouchable. character. You're actually you're Alex. and we all are going to like love you. and cheer for you even if you mess up or.

something doesn't go right. Um but I'm. so happy that I got to talk to you today. because I obviously know you've had. massive success, but there's again. always a story underneath and um I. really appreciate you opening up to me. today cuz I think a lot of your fans and. my fans are going to just be so excited. to hear this conversation. >> Not even a psychology degree? Nothing? >> No. >> That's impressive. That's really. impressive. Thank you so much for having. me. saved. >> I appreciate your time and congrats on. all your success. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Alex.

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