Trump makes RIDICULOUS weekend ANNOUNCEMENT

Not the smartest move for Donald Trump. to make this announcement at the Irish. Open that he attended this weekend. >> Possibly take the tariffs off of Irish. WHISKEY. >> and I said on behalf of the United. States of America, I am going to take. the tariffs off. So, that's Trump. announcing the removal of the 15% tariff. on Irish whiskey. And the full. unfiltered explanation when asked why is.

that, quote, "Everyone's been bugging me. to do it." That's the entire policy. rationale. Not a trade deficit. calculation, not a national security. review, just some people at a golf. tournament bugged him about it, so he. waved a tariff on an entire country's. signature export at a trophy ceremony. And this might seem inconsequential, but. it completely undercuts the entire. stated justification that Trump has. built around these tariffs for the last. year and a half. These grossly unpopular.

tariffs. Remember, we have been told the. tariffs are about national security. We've been told they're about fixing. decades of unfair trade deficits, that. their strategic leverage to bring. manufacturing back to the United States. of America, to punish countries that. take advantage of us, to fix a rigged. global trading system over and over. again, we hear all of these excuses. That's the pitch. And then the guy who's. supposedly waging this this careful, calculated economic war struts up to a. podium at a golf tournament and says.

he's ending a tariff because attendees. quote wouldn't stop bugging him about. it. And by the way, this isn't even the. first time that we've seen this exact. pattern from Trump. Back in April, he. gave the United Kingdom a tariff break. on scotch right after King Charles and. Queen Camila visited the White House. And how did Trump describe that. decision? He posted, quote, "The king. and queen got me to do something that. nobody else was able to do without. hardly even asking." Again, this wasn't. after a careful review of our trade. deficit. This wasn't in exchange for.

reciprocal concessions. This was the. king and queen visiting, asking Trump. nicely, probably appealing to his ego, and Trump changing federal trade policy. on the spot as a personal favor. That. that is what it looks like when you have. a president who hands out favors to. whoever happens to be standing in front. of him while he's jacked up on goth. dopamine. And think about what that. actually means for how seriously we. should take any of the stated. justifications behind this entire tariff. regime. If tariffs were actually. calibrated economic policy, if they were.

actually built around trade deficits and. reciprocity and national security, any. of the things we've been told, then. removing one wouldn't hinge on how much. a crowd cheers when you announce it live. at an awards ceremony. Real trade policy. doesn't work like that. Real trade. policy isn't decided by whichever. industry group happens to have lobbyed. Trump recently or whichever foreign. leader last bestowed upon him a gold. trinket or whichever golfer happened to. be in his ear last weekend. But.

increasingly that is exactly how Trump. navigates this whole process. That is. exactly how all of this is being run. And I think this is worth remembering. every single time this administration. rolls out some new tariff but dresses it. up in the language of some grand 4D. chess strategy because we now have. Trump's own words on camera at a trophy. ceremony telling us the truth about what. he's doing. These decisions come down to. nothing more sophisticated than his golf. buddies asking for a favor and him.

announcing the carveout to applause. And. meanwhile, in the United States, we've. got some auto worker somewhere who lost. their job to a tariff-driven supply. chain disruption, or some family paying. hundreds or thousands of extra dollars. per year in tariff inflated grocery. prices, who might like to know that on. the other side of the of the world right. now, you've got an Irish golf tournament. crowd who got their tariff lifted. because they clapped loud enough and. asked the right guy at the at the right. trophy ceremony to lobby the president. Something to think about when you're.

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question first and foremost now that. we're in the midst of this Republican. midterm convention. We know that Donald. Trump cares about nothing as much as he. cares about crowd size and attendance. numbers. We've seen video footage of. what the inside of that arena looked. like. It was sparssely populated, to put. it generously. Can I have your reaction. to the fact that this is a Republican. president just a few weeks before an. election when folks are obviously paying. attention to politics in Texas, so I. don't know that you can get friendlier. territory than that and yet he still.

couldn't fill up this arena. >> Well, first of all, thank you for having. me. It's so fun to be here um and to be. back with you. I guess it's like almost. a year uh since I was on when we did it. live at Crooked Con, so we'll have to do. a live one again. Um, but I really. appreciate being here and, you know, all. that you do. >> Thanks. >> I [snorts]. >> Yeah, it's not a great sign that there. were any open seats. Uh, but it does. hone in on the problem that they had and.

why I think they decided to do it there, which is they have a Ken Paxton problem. And I know that there were a lot of. speeches that more fun to pay attention. to, like Tim Scott for instance, who I I. did not know that that's what Tim Scott. morphs into [laughter]. depending on what he's been injected. with. But. >> Ken Paxton is terrible. Like, he's a. terrible human, but he's also worse on. the stump than I thought. And I know.

Trump had been previewing this for us. you know, how he loves now to tell us. how poorly dressed he is and that he's, you know, bad on TV and all these things. that, you know, are actually the only. things that matter to Donald Trump. And. then he throws in, but he's like the. best AG in the country. And then you. think, actually, he was impeached by his. own party. Like probably not the best AG. in the country, but that Ken Ken Paxton. couldn't even be in prime time. they. knew enough programming wise that that. was the case and that he was that stale,

that stiff. And then the contrast. between not only the enormous grocery. drive that James Tarico was doing at the. at the same moment. So you saw the. Fitbitio poll, which you know is a big. deal because Tony Fitzio works for. Donald Trump and yeah, I mean he's an. excellent pollster. I'm not saying he's. going to be faking anything, but he has. Taler Rico up four. So, and he has the. governor's race in a margin of error. >> Yeah. >> So, we're on the march here. And I think.

the contrast James and the Grocery. Drive, the Fbritzio poll, and then all. of the interviews that Terico was. giving, including to Fox, where he. addressed a lot of these past comments. that he's made that were being held over. him, like the wokestan kind of stuff, you know, six sexes, >> uh, trans girl, uh, trans women in. women's sports, >> uh, before he had already gone and dealt. with, and they were unfairly splicing.

his interview, but about immigration, right, where he says that our. immigration policy has to be like your. front porch. There's a welcome mat, but. your door is locked, right? Which I. think everybody understands that that's. a reasonable way to think about. immigration. So, there was a there visav. Texas, and none of it was good for. Republicans. When James Telerico does an. interview with Fox on on this exact. topic, do you think that helps his cause.

because he's able to to offer up some. nuance to an audience that has otherwise. only heard attacks against him, or do. you think that it just further amplifies. the bad faith attacks against him by. giving him a little airtime? You don't. know how it's going to be edited. And of. course, it gives other folks in the. right-wing media ecosystem an. opportunity to um bubble back up to the. surface the original attacks that that. he was answering for. Anyway, >> so I happen to live in a a world or a.

mindset where I kind of think you can't. control what other people do. And the. more that you can be on the record with. your actual beliefs and how you see the. world and taking responsibility, like. we're a forgiving people. We we want to. see people evolve and change and update. if that's what's necessary. And I think. it's good that he did that. And he's. also running in Texas. You just can't. get away with certain things that maybe.

you could say like, "H whatever. It. doesn't really matter what I said in. 2020." like you're trying to win Texas. uh which has been a white whale for us. for a long time. So yeah, are there. going to be new ads cut? Like James. Taler Rico lies to you. This is him and. then when it's expedient, this is him. now, right? >> Sure. But our ecosystem, the left-leaning algorithms are also. really powerful, you know, and shows. like yours and all of the other creators.

out there who, as far as I can tell, nobody is disappointed that James Tarico. did this. And they did think that it was. important that he had this conversation. with a Fox News reporter. >> Yeah. >> And that it's going to then play on all. of our programming, too. We have this. massive audience and there are people. like the five the show that I co-host. were 20% Democrats, 30% independents and. then 50% Republican and that's. everything from MAGA to Romney.

Republicans. They're going to see that. too and it does seep in. It becomes part. of your consciousness. And even if. people don't get to the point where they. agree with everything that you have to. say, they're still getting these bursts. of information that run counter to the. narrative that they hear all the time. >> Well, that's a good segue into your. book. Again, the book is called I. Disagree. And I I think what's what what. I'd like to know is a lot of people.

right now, and I'm sure this is a. question that you've contended with a. million times, but. this isn't politics as usual. And the. party in power right now, this MAGA. Republican party is not just like, okay, we we disagree on on taxation a and. otherwise, you know, like they are. ripping families apart. They are uh um. uh enriching themselves to to an. egregious degree. They're they're. engaged in steeped in so much. corruption. They're ripping families.

apart. So all of this is happening. for the people who voted for or continue. to support this Republican party. That's. a value statement on those people. And. so you have Democrats on this side of. the aisle who say, >> you know, I don't want somebody in my. life who is going to vote to empower a. political party that doesn't care if my. brown uh neighbors are are killed or. not, doesn't care if Americans are. killed or not. in in in defense of those.

brown community members uh these you. know like h how what do you say to those. people um who say like it's not it it's. not worth it for me to keep in my life a. group of people who would empower a. Republican party that has so little um. that has so little that that shows so. little care for the vast majority of. Americans. >> Yeah. I so I knew this coming in that my. subtitle winning arguments without.

losing friends that I would hear from. people I would like to lose those. friends. I actually I feel better now. that those people aren't in my life. It's a little bit different with family. members and we know that we have record. numbers of families that have fissures. as a result of. >> the rise of Donald Trump and the way. frankly that politics is conducted in. our country generally. Now, you know, I. definitely think he is an enormous. factor in this. Um, but I I totally get. that point of view and I've made I make.

the case in the book. I make the case on. air all the time, both at on Fox and my. podcast with uh Scott, Raging Moderates, that. I think politics is about morality. I. think a budget is a moral document. You. are telling the world what matters to. you. And if private jet deductions. matters to you more than funding for. SNAP or Head Start or people being able. to keep their Medicaid, that's a moral.

bankruptcy problem. >> Yeah. >> But by extension, we're sharing this. place whether you like it or not. And my. job is a little bit different than most. people's jobs. You know, I'm not I'm not. coming here. I have fun a lot of the. time, but I'm not here just for fun. It's work for me. And it is a type of. advocacy that I believe in and that I. think can have long-term impact because.

I'm in a long-term relationship with my. co-hosts and also with the people who. watch the five and who consume clips of. it because they're oftentimes different. demos, right? the people who make sure. that they're there to turn it on or DVR. it uh versus those who get me, you know, see what I'm saying or likewise see. Jesse Waters or Greg Gutfeld, Dana, you. know, however, through their ecosystem. So, what I would say to those people is. I I hear you and I agree with you in a. lot of ways. It doesn't change the fact.

that I still think there is important. work to do in combating bad information. in repairing in some cases and building. relationships with people who see the. world differently because there are. things that they can show you or explain. to you that can help you in the way that. you're processing information and what. your political beliefs are. changing. your mind? Not necessarily. But I don't. even think of my job that way. And I.

write this and I disagree. I think my. job and I'm curious if you feel. similarly. is to actually open people's minds to. the idea that there is an alternative. point of view worth considering that. there are good actors who see things. differently and there is information. that they're using that they have access. to and that you probably have access to. as well to build their arguments that.

makes you think. Okay. And a lot of what I go into in the. book is about how you prepare these. arguments, right? How you actually build. the facts and the data set to be able to. go out there and do that. And I have my. background is in academia and research. I worked as a pollster. Um, so telling a. story based in numbers is something. that's very core to who I am and and. what I do. and seeing the world in.

averages versus in anecdotes. Um, but. you can't build an argument that I think. resonates with people unless you are. willing. to olive branch to them a little bit in. even if it's just the way that you. approach it. If it feels too foreign or. impossible to you to say I agree with. you know this thing that you said I get. that often that feels like a. capitulation and I don't particularly.

like doing that. um it's most of the. time it would be inauthentic, right? Where I was saying actually I I think. you're totally wrongheaded about this. thing, but that doesn't mean that you. can't indicate this shared space, this. shared humanity and some generosity with. people because it goes really far. >> 100%. And and I think look, it is. anybody who doesn't have to share their. space, their lives, their family with um. with Republicans, I think is a is a.

position of, you know, to a degree to. privilege. Um you know, there's. something to be said for for a lack of. diversity and and and whatnot. But but. it is a position of privilege because a. lot of us, I think, don't have that. privilege of being able to just. inoculate ourselves from any views that. we don't like. And so I think that what. you're saying here, you know, is is uh. albeit not ideal, um is is pragmatic and. and that's the world that that I think. most of us live in, you and and myself. included. >> Well, your book was all about.

pragmatism. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Right. It was like we live we've. essentially been coasting through this. almost in fantasy land. Yeah. >> Right. Where you can just say, you know, oppose him, oppose him, oppo like get. him out, get him out, get him out. And. then the reality is you're going to wake. up the day after the election or. inauguration really when you actually. get the the keys to the castle. >> and what are you going to do about it, >> right? >> Cuz they lived in reality and then they. actually because they had a plan they.

were able to shape the future of their. reality%. Well, I I feel like what if you can be. successful in your efforts at persuasion. on on the five, which is certainly um a. more hostile environment that I think. any normal American is going to find. themselves in, then I think that that. you basically if you can succeed there, you can succeed anywhere. And so what. has been the most effective persuasion. technique that you've been able to. deploy that can kind of inform how.

regular people when they're not. contending with, you know, formerly. Judge Janine, but Jesse Waters and and. Dana and and you know, Greg Gutfeld and. these people who do this for a living, but regular, you know, parents or family. members or friends. what that can inform. some of how regular people can basically. persuade the people in their circles to. come around to different positions. Well, I have a couple of answers to that. and one of them people are probably not. going to like as much. Um, but it was.

important to me to put in the book um. because it's true and I I want to be. truthful especially uh when you have. this opportunity to write a book and to. spend a few hundred pages telling people. what you think um without interruption. and that is that. tangoing. with some of our own failings. and accepting. some of our own mistakes which there are. people and I think more on the.

progressive left than maybe the more of. the center of the party are in a admit. nothing mode all the time right that. you're even what you asked me about the. Torico interview right like so what do. you think about the fact it's going to. get chopped up and then it's going to be. thrown back in your face if it's not. James Tarico it's going to be another. Hassan clip it's going to be. another clip of Megan Ror or Derisa. Chevier like the the churn is going to. carry on right. >> and all we can really control is how.

clean we keep our side of the street. And so I actually spent and have over. the years a lot of time. looking into. the things that the right would call. left-wing hoaxes and they're kind of. baseline. like we're not operating on the same. planet stuff. So there's the the ones. that rise to election integrity where I.

just have no time for that, right? Like. you've been through 66 what is it? 66. court cases. >> 65 court cases. Yeah. >> Yes. Marias, we love you. Um. >> and I don't have time for that. I don't. have time for Nancy Pelosi was the one. who like sent the National Guard home or. like whatever convoluted stuff is going. on there. But I can engage with what the. Mueller report said and didn't say and. how it's been manipulated. I can engage. with all of the media hits that went on.

in the runup to the Mueller report or. around releasing Donald Trump's tax. returns and, you know, the lies. surrounding the meeting at Trump Tower. that was about an orphanage or something. like that and get to a place where I can. at least say. Donald Trump and his relationship with. Russia was overhyped. I get it. That Bob Mueller, I I know. what the report said. I know that there.

were connections. I know that there were. people who went to jail. Um I also know. the breathlessness with which the left. talked about this and the overwhelming. feeling to people that it was like we're. going to get him. And that is a baseline. thing in talking to the right that lives. in the front of their minds. Not just. like in the recesses, but in the front. of it, Charlottesville, right? And what.

[clears throat] Donald Trump did or. didn't say about the very fine people, which is the predicate of Joe Biden's. campaign. I mean, Joe Biden loved to run. for president. He was going to do it. anyway. But, you know, actually. listening to the tape and understanding. how muddled Donald Trump's language is, but engaging with the way that they see. the world so that you can then show them. that you've done the work for that, right? And then you can bring in the.

reality. So when they come and say the. SPLC basically invented the idea that. there are neo-Nazis in this country like. that the tiki torch guys actually were. just you know college students wearing. dockers on their way to the bar or down. the street or whatever it is makes your. argument stronger because they know that. you're trying to be a good faith actor. in this. And I think that that is one of. the biggest underlying problems in our. politics is that we don't trust that the. people that we're talking to or.

disagreeing with are going to be good. faith about it. And I know and maybe. I'll see it in the comments that people. will say like they don't deserve that, right? Like I I don't want to give an. inch on any of this. But I don't think. that you would look at the way that I. present my arguments and the way that I. work with my co-hosts and communicate. with the audience and think that I gave. them anything. I just met them at a.

place where I think we can both exist. and then you don't miss each other in. the same way. Does that make sense? >> 100%. But but my push back to that is we. are we're we are watching the way that. this MAGA Republican party operates and. on down from Donald Trump there seems to. be this mentality of admit no fault ever. like that is that is the ethos of of. Trump's movement. And so I guess the the.

disconnect is when you say and and I. agree with this that you have to be. willing to operate in good faith so that. you can be in a position where. somebody's even opening to hear open to. hearing what you have to say to your. persuasion. Isn't doesn't that butt up. against the fact that the other side. right now isn't willing to do exactly. that? Like I I there there are going to. be people who say let's you know that. it's that's um uh um reminiscent of. Michelle Obama's when when when they go.

low we go high. Do you and so what would. your reaction to that be? >> Well I think that we've updated from. that generally speaking everybody. understands that this is war. It is. nonviolent war but this is war. >> Yeah. And my counter to that would be if. you actually want to be on the. battlefield, you need to be able to get. in the arena. Yeah. >> And you're not going to have entrance. into the arena unless you are willing.

>> to behave a certain way to engage to. engage in some modicum of good faith so. that they're even willing to hear you. >> Right? And people sense it. You know. what? like they're seeing these. conversations and even if they don't. agree with your politics and I hear this. from Fox viewers out in the wild all the. time. It's one of the main reasons that. I wrote this book is that I have a flood. of people of all political persuasions. saying to me, "How do you do it?" Right?

[snorts] How do you do this? How do you. show up day after day and know that. you're going to get interrupted and push. around and you're still going to sit. there and you're going to make sure that. you make your points and also find a way. to have connective tissue with these. people who see the world so differently. and we don't lose you know this I this. is why you built chorus we don't lose. the 2024 election if we engage.

We chose not to. I mean, we also had. some other pro. We had some policy. problems and some outcome problems, but. we certainly had a presence problem. >> Yeah. >> And that's what I'm talking about. I. mean, it is the it's the content of what. you should say. And my alternate title. was surviving Thanksgiving. And. [laughter]. my appendix is 10 tips for your table. So, if you want the quick and dirty, like how do you talk about ice? I got. you. abortion,

>> you know, constitutional crisis, all the. things. But. there's it's really a guide for how to. not only build the content of what you. want to say, but how to make that safe. for people to hear. Because hearing. information that runs against your. long-held beliefs. literally throws up your threat reflex. People feel pain from this. And that's.

something that I think I'm comfortable, you know, going high when they go low. about to understand that somebody who's. grown up in a Republican tradition or. somebody who even is a new MAGA voter, they are operating with a different set. of facts. And so any way that I can find. a place to weave in and to set up camp. in the recesses of their brain where. they say, "Oh, [snorts] there's that, you know, that Democratic lady with all. the facts who's also nice and is part of.

this cohort. I'm going to take it.". >> Last question here. and and this kind of. you know look I I think it's not lost on. anybody how smart and how strategic um. and charming you are and have to be to. do the work that you do and for that I. think everybody watching is obviously. very grateful but just on on a personal. level for you like. >> question is going to sound reductive but. like how are you because you operate in. an ecosystem that is so hostile I mean e.

even in the rare instances you know one. or two times a week where I go on CNN. and debate somebody or I go on. NewsNation and debate Katie Pavlage, you. know, it is I I I have to use a. different part of my brain and and it. and it impacts my body in a certain way. like you said. I mean, you're you're. putting up a a defense mechanism that. you're not doing when you're talking to. a much friendlier audience. And my. audience is friendly to me, but but. you're talking to not only an audience.

that is largely hostile to your world. view, but you're literally physically. surrounded by people who are hostile to. your worldview. Like, I couldn't imagine. what it would feel like physically to. walk through the halls of of Fox. And. so, just h how how how do you do that. part of it? And how are you doing just. generally healthwise, you know, having. put yourself in the lion's den in the. way that you have? >> I mean, like all good elder millennials.

with two little kids, like I'm a broken. woman, right? This is just [laughter]. like. >> nothing some Lexabro can't fix. >> I mean, for real, right? I I started. taking I mean, it's a natural sleep aid. that you can take when you're pregnant. unisome like yeah I need that and I'm. still up from like three to five yeah. >> rer running stuff in my mind I mean you. do this even if you're having a friendly. conversation because. >> the quality of it matters.

>> you know sometimes you feel like oh no. I'm just sitting here behind a computer. like telling everyone what I think or. whatever this is all getting pumped out. into the world and has potential to. impact real decisions and sway people. and all of it. >> and follow you for the rest of your. life, >> right? And be part of this. These are. communities. and it's very cool and a privilege to be. part of them. So I think about all of. that. I am broken. Um I also.

this is work for me. I've been and I've. been here a long time. I mean, I don't. think for people, and I it would be much. less your audience than maybe, you know, someone who just would use clips of me, you know, take down clips or whatever it. is. But, you know, I've been at Fox 10. years. I I know everyone's husbands and. wives. I know kids. It It is a a normal. work environment in a lot of ways, and. it's a really great place to work. And.

I have stories and a lot of this is in. the book. You know, I got promoted to. this massive job, pregnant, [snorts] like heavily pregnant, like my. back hurts. I can't sit here any longer. pregnant, but a good thing is happening. for me professionally. You know, there. it's it's just not what a lot of people. think that it is. And that doesn't mean. that the opinions.

because I get that too like how much. your colleagues actually believe these. things like a lot of it and that sucks. too right that that means that I have to. work harder to open up the mind to the. idea that the alternative actually isn't. you know that you'll never be able to. eat meat again and you have to have your. kids going to be transed or whatever. [snorts] they might say. Um, but it's. funny, and I think I mentioned this to. you when uh we saw each other at. CrookedCon last year.

I'm much newer to liberal environments. than I am to conservative ones. Like, I've been to more RNC's than DNC's and. have, you know, more connections to a. Republican media environment than to a. Democratic media environment. And so. while I am broken, I'm also really okay. and I'm good a lot of days. And I think. and that's why I put so much of, you.

know, how I do what I do in this book for. people because I think we can all get. better at it and then by extension we. can win more. I mean the book is about. winning. Your book's about winning. Like. I am the prize now, right? like we've. got the midterms coming up. I'm feeling. good about it. Not great, great, great, great, but like I I want too big to. regain all of the things. Um, and I. think that this is really a critical.

component in all of that and to not just. do the debates, right? It's I know it's. so popular that Tik Tok had to create a. vertical for it because everyone likes. to see this. They want to see the back. and forth and the exchange of ideas, but. they want to see the takedowns. Like. what I'm engaged in is like I said, it's. it's a long-term relationship, right? And there are days where there are. haymakers thrown, but there are days. where there's just talking about kind of.

l loose light topics and being able to. shoot the And you should be able. to do that with people who have garbage. politics. >> Yeah. I know you might not like to, but. you should be able to. >> Well, look, I think it is beyond clear, you know, first of all, the the. sacrifice that it takes to be able to do. that. And I'm sure 99.9% of people who. are watching and listening right now are. are perfectly content that that they. don't have to put themselves in that. kind of environment every day. But, um,

that just underscores the importance of. the work that you do. Um, so I would. highly recommend for everybody who's. watching and listening right now, if you. want to support the work that Jess does. on a daily basis, grab a copy of I. Disagree: Winning Arguments Without. Losing Friends. I'm going to put that. link in right here on the screen in the. post description of this video and also. in the show notes if you're listening on. the podcast, grab a copy, support her. work. She is working day in and day out. to persuade voters. Um, um, and it makes. a difference. You know, I know that a. lot of people uh would applaud when.

Gavin Newsome or Pete Buddhajed went on. Fox News or right-wing media and and. talk about how how important it is to. finally expose that audience to some. truth. Nobody does it more than than. Jessica Tarlov. So, again, to show some. support for the work that she's doing. every single day, um grab a copy of that. book. I disagree. And uh and Jess, thank. you so much for taking the time. >> Yeah. No, it was great to be with you. Thanks. We just got a bombshell ruling. out of Missouri where it is now final. that Missouri will be using the 6-2. congressional map as opposed to the new.

7 to1 congressional map that Republicans. were hoping to shoehorn through. I'm. joined now by Richard Vonglan, the. executive director of People Not. Politicians. That is the organization. that collected 300,000 signatures to put. this issue of redrawing the maps on the. ballot as opposed to allowing the. legislature to just redraw a more. Republican favorable map. So given the. news today that we just got, Richard, I. want to get your reaction first and. foremost to the fact that the Secretary. of State, Denny Hoskins, was held in.

contempt because he was so unwilling to. abide by not only the Missouri Supreme. Court's order, but even the US Supreme. Supreme Court order uh and just decided. that they would continue to barrel ahead. and try and use this more favorable 7. to1 map. >> Yeah. I mean, Denny Hoskins for months. has just been engaged in legal. obstruction and delay. He was a. participant in a collusive lawsuit to. try to illegally force Missurrians to v. to vote on an illegal map. And I'm.

thrilled to see that that issue was put. to rest and the Supreme Court left no. doubt that they're tired of his. shenanigans. >> What does this mean moving forward? Uh, obviously this is a great result for. this upcoming 2026 midterm cycle, but I. presume, and I presume that this is the. same for you, that the fight isn't over. as far as these Republicans are. concerned. >> Yeah, we certainly still have a fight on. our hands for November. Uh, the. referendum is live there. We need to.

mobilize our communities to vote no on. Proposition A and just kill this thing. finally once and forever and and kill it. dead. What does it say that you were able to. gain 300,000 signatures on a petition. that really only needed a h 100,000? What what does it say about the the. appetite that folks have not to contract. all of their autonomy, all of their. power over to these power- hungry. Republicans in the legislature and the.

state government. >> Yeah, this is actually September 10th is. the one-year anniversary of the largest. rally held in Missouri history at our. state capital. over 5,000 people came in. to tell our legislature no to this. DCdrawn. uh election rigging. You know, they did. it anyway. Within the first 24 hours of. our politicians passing this. gerrymander, we had over 2,000. volunteers all across the state saying, "Give me a petition. Give me a.

clipboard. I'm ready to go. I'm ready to. fight for my community." And fight they. did. and I'm I'm glad at this step that. we've won and we're going to go finish. the job. >> You know, this is not exactly a liberal. bastion. And so, can you speak about. your reaction to the fact that this I. mean, this took place in Missouri? I. think the last time a a Democrat was. even in power statewide in Missouri, if. I'm not mistaken, was was the the. governor back in like in in like the. early 2010s. Is that is that correct?

Um, you know, Missurrians have. consistently voted on ballot initiatives. that support our our neighbors. Um, we. have expanded Medicaid. We have raised. the minimum wage three times. We have. overturned a complete ban on abortion. We've actually banned gerrymandering. before. U, now the legislature has. overturned some of those things. And so, we're on a constant back and forth. I. don't look at Missouri in the red verse.

blue dynamic. I look at it from the. dynamic of politicians in Jeff City who. who are just power hungry and completely. out of touch with the realities of our. communities and people joining together. and fighting back against that. >> You know, you you mentioning Jeff City. uh again brings to mind what the. Missouri Supreme Court said today, which. was warning Denny Hoskins not to even. leave Jeff City. And it was ironic that. within minutes of of them signaling that.

they were going to hold uh Hoskins in. contempt and not to leave Jefferson City. so that he could be arrested, he issued. a statement saying uh you know, lo and. behold, I'm going to abide by the. Missouri Supreme Court's order. Then you. have the Republican attorney general of. Missouri saying, "I'm so glad that that. I get to follow in the footsteps of. Denny Hoskins and we're going we're. going to support his effort to to uphold. the law and abide by the Missouri. Supreme Court's ruling." You know, it's. I I I just found it find it so striking. that only when some of these folks are.

faced with the prospect of personal. accountability do they suddenly remember. their allegiance and their adherence to. law and the constitution and their own. oath of office. >> Yeah, that is certainly true. Our. unelected attorney general and secretary. of state have done everything that they. can to thwart the will of Missouri. voters and the laws of this state. I. don't know why we have an attorney. general who is not defending the. Constitution of Missouri and the laws of.

Missouri and is instead doing the. bidding of, you know, special interest. in DC. Um, she's she never got elected. to that office. So maybe that explains. who she's really accountable to, right? Not to the voters. But that's what we. have had. But we had a volunteer who who. made a sign that said Denny can't veto. democracy. And that is true. and the law. is the law and the law has won out and. the people are going to win out this. November. >> Was this a surprising result for you.

given the political the partisan makeup. of the Missouri Supreme Court? If I'm. not mistaken, six of the seven state. Supreme Court justices were appointed by. Republican officials. Is that correct? >> I I think it's five out of seven. But. Missouri's got a model nonpartisan court. plan. We've actually tried to keep. politics out of our judiciary and that's. an important thing to do across the. country. You want to have judges who can. simply look at things as the law. Sure, they have their perspectives, but at the.

end of the day, the law is the law. And. it's it's very telling that these were. unanimous decisions, a unanimous. decision out of the Supreme Court of. Missouri. today out of the US Supreme. Court. Um, you know, it's on the shadow. docket, so we don't know exactly how all. the votes came, but there were no. dissents, right? >> Um, in the in the position today. So, I. think it's pretty telling how out of. bounds our secretary of state and. attorney general have been. Um, and the.

law is the law, and that's what won out. here. >> Have you heard from any voters in. Missouri? I mean, obviously the folks. who were collecting signatures all. across the country had a ton of facetime. with the 3,000 people who signed these. petitions, but is there anything that. stood out to you in terms of what these. otherwise pretty firmly Republican. voters, a Republican electorate said as. this process was moving forward? >> Yeah. I mean, I think we had we had. people circulating our petition and a.

you know, Donald Trump mega t-shirt um. because he understands that actually, you know, Trump's promises of drain to. the swamp and do different things that. actually this was the exact opposite of. that. Um, these were political insiders. trying to enrich themselves, trying to. um inoculate themselves from any voter. accountability and that's not what the. people of this state want. We are facing. an affordability crisis. Our farmers are. struggling with ridiculous tariff and.

trade policies. And people want. accountability for the failures in DC. And you know, the best way that we can. do that is by protecting ourselves from. this election rigging and voting no on. Prop A in November. you know, just a a. little bit of a political question here, but you had mentioned that Missouri has. a long history or proud history of. voting against um or voting in favor of. these ballot measures that would protect. themselves. Often times, these ballot.

measures are positions espoused by. Democratic politicians. So, the. Democratic politicians will lose out on. the ballot, but their positions will win. out and Republican officials who oppose. those positions will get elected to. office. And then we're, you know, the. people of Missouri are in a position. where they have to constantly make their. voices heard via these referendums. against the very people who they. elected. Is there some is there. beginning to be some understanding that. that, you know, the the the folks in the.

Republican party, these Republican. politicians are actually espousing. positions that are antithetical to what. the voters of Missouri want. and that. and that there would it would be easier. to elect Democratic politicians who. actually espouse those positions so that. we don't constantly need to defer to. these referendums or ballot measures to. to you know fight back against their. very elected officials. I. >> I think you are beginning to see that. just last month there were two issues. a. massive uh tax cut for the wealthiest.

that would have raised taxes for most. working families in Missouri and a. politician attack on our direct. democracy process, our ballot initiative. process. You saw those pushed by the. governor, by the secretary of state, by. the attorney general, and both of those. issues were defeated by over 80% of. Missouri voters. They each failed in. every single county in the state. I. mean, they were historic massive losses.

I saw a poll out this morning that. showed for the first time, Governor Mike. Kho is underwater. President Trump is. underwater in Missouri. Voters are sick. and tired of the shenanigans of the. power grabs of the games. We need to. have results delivered to us. And if our. elected officials are going to be able. unable to do that, then they need to. face the consequences of that in free. and fair elections. >> Last time uh want to offer a big. congratulations and a thank you for the.

work that uh people not politicians did. in getting this thing over the finish. line. But as you mentioned, the work. isn't done. So one more call to action. for folks who are watching right now in. terms of what voters in Missouri can do. to protect democracy come November. >> Yeah, certainly anyone can visit our. website peoplepoliticiansmo.org. You can follow us on all the social. media channels. You can make a. contribution to us and help support our. work. And if you're in Missouri, be. prepared to vote no on Proposition A. Join us in one of our upcoming canvases. and help spread the word.

>> Awesome. Well, thank you again for the. work that you've done. Congratulations. on this outcome and uh and looking. forward to watching you all land the. plane come November. Richard, I. appreciate your time. >> All right. Thanks so much. >> To listen to the audio version of this. episode, click the link right here on. the screen and make sure to subscribe. And of course, to see more video. content, that subscribe button's on the. screen as well. [music].