Trump makes FUMBLE OF THE YEAR with shock CONFESSION

I understand that the conventional rules. of politics no longer apply, but there. is no world where this moment right here. does not come back to bite Trump in the. ass. Are you concerned, Mr. President, about the latest inflation number which. came out this morning? Could that be a. >> I love it. The numbers were great. >> You know what I really love? I love the. inflation. You know why? Because as soon. as this war is over, you know, I can say. it now something you didn't know. Do you. know we've been taking out millions of. barrels of oil? Nobody knows it. You.

know who doesn't know about it? Iran. until right now. We took out the other night 22 ships. late at night with no lights because. they don't have any radar because we. blasted the crap out of it. We took out. That's why oil is $85 a barrel. I mean, you take a look. Remember when I did. this, I said, "Look, the one bad thing. will be we hit the best economy we've. ever hit." And I said to my people, I. had Scott, I had Howard, I had Pete, I. had all of them. I had Todd in the room.

I said, "The one thing we have to do. now, we had just hit the highest stock. market in history, highest 401ks in. history. Everything was going well." And. I said, "I hate to do this to you guys, but Iran's going to have a nuclear. weapon very soon. We have to go and. attack." So, we hit him with the B2. bombers. >> Quote, I love inflation. Just want to. make sure that I'm understanding here. The guy whose entire campaign, whose. entire personality was based on lowering.

costs and specifically bringing down. inflation, is now not only failing to do. that, but outright celebrating it. Like, we're all old enough to remember moments. like this one from the campaign. We will. end inflation and make America. affordable again. We're going to get the. prices down. We have to get them down. It's too much. Groceries, cars, how. everything. We're going to get the. prices down. But prices will come down. You just watch. They'll come down and. they'll come down fast. Not only with. insurance, with everything.

>> Tomorrow I will end inflation. I will We. will cut your taxes. End inflation. Slash your prices. No. I will end. inflation. I will end inflation. Slash. your prices to rapidly reduce inflation. I will end. I will end inflation very. quickly. You know how to end inflation. Slash your prices. We will cut your. taxes, end inflation, slash your prices, raise, >> but we're going to get your prices down.

>> So, I legitimately could not think of a. bigger slap in the face to voters than. this guy, who clearly lost every. populist impulse the second he became. president, now cheering on the idea of. higher prices. If you needed more proof. of the fact that Trump is solely. concerned about his ego, this is it. Any. reasonable person would at least. acknowledge that high prices are, you. know, bad. But Trump is in the business. of spinning. He's in the business of. protecting himself, his image. So. because his sole priority is protecting. him, now he has to pretend that actually.

high prices are good. Again, for him, it's more important to protect his own. ego than help Americans. Also, I'm. sorry, but how can anyone trust. Republicans to fix a problem that they. refuse to admit exists? You think that. somebody who just said, "I love. inflation," is going to be the champion. we need to actually solve inflation. And. frankly, we don't have to guess because. he hasn't solved it. Dude has been. president for almost two years. It's. going up. According to the latest. report, it's now at 4.2%. Up from 3%.

when he took office from Joe Biden. In. other words, it was almost 33% higher. now from the guy who Republicans said. was disqualified expressly because of. high inflation. Just a quick note here. to say that if you appreciate my work, which is and always will be 100% free, a. small ask is if you could please. pre-order my new book, The Day After, which explores how Democrats must. finally wield power if they're fortunate. enough to get it back. I'll also be on. tour in DC, New York, Chicago, San. Francisco, and LA in July. You can grab.

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have been at war in the Middle East for. oil my entire adult life. Americans are. sick of it. We spent over $6. trillion dollars on Middle Eastern wars. from 2001 to 2019. That money could have. gone to literally anything else. And you. know who knows that better than anyone? This guy said, "Oh, he's going to start. a war." Cuz cuz they said I had that. personality to start a war. They. remember that. Oh, we can't vote for. him. He's going to start a war. No, I. used my personality though. We didn't. have to have wars. I was the first.

president in decades who started no new. wars. you started. No new wars. No new. wars. No new wars. [cheering]. We don't need the wars. Foreign lands. Countries you've never heard of. Countries that don't even want us there. I was the first president in decades who. started no new wars. I was the first. president in decades who started no new. wars. We will expel the war mongerers. from our government. You know, he never.

got into a war with me. I have a great. record. We had peace. We had prosperity. We had no wars. We had no wars. That. started no wars. We didn't have a war. We will expel the war mongers from our. government. We will expel the war. mongerers from our government. >> Only for him now to start saying this. >> What changed? Because you insisted no. new wars. >> First of all, I didn't guarantee no war. Why would I have built the strongest. military in the world? I built our. military. I inherited a terrible.

military. We had no equipment. We had. nothing. I built a tremendous military. Biden gave a lot of it away, but it's. still a relatively small portion. compared to what I built. >> But you said it over and over again, Mr. >> Why would I build a military? Now, I. didn't want to use this, but I'm doing. you and everybody else a big favor in. the midst of the greatest stock market. in history, in the midst of the most. successful country, because as you know, in the last term, we were dead country. Kristen, I know you you're a big liberal.

or big progressive. >> No. Who to believe? A dozen clips of. Trump saying those words captured in. audio and video footage or him telling. us not to believe our own eyes and ears? Decisions, decisions. And of course, now. Republicans are in the miserable. position of having to either admit that. inflation is bad and risk the eye of. dear leader or they can pander to Trump. and risk looking like the outoouch. mouthpieces they are to their. constituents. Not great options. As Mike. Johnson put on full display here.

President said today, "I love the. inflation amid these high economics.". >> I knew somebody was going to ask me. that. It was totally out of context. You. know what he was talking about. The. message that voters want to hear right. now. >> No, the president is laser focused on. the domestic economic situation. He is. working to bring down prices. He is. working to get the street of her muse. reopen. We have passed legislation. He's. used executive orders to get the cost of. living down. >> What about the economic? Everybody got. their highest tax uh refunds they've had. in their whole lives. They're getting.

greater paychecks. There's all sorts of. great economic indicators, but there's. still challenges. Gas prices among them. So, what he was saying is it's going to. be great to have that number and compare. it to what comes next when we get these. situations resolved. That'll be a fun. thing to to consider and to compare. That's what he was talking about. That. was the context I was standing right. behind. >> You worried about these economic. numbers, though? >> Got to love Trump. a full-g grown man. requiring translators because he. apparently isn't capable of conveying a. sentence in English without help from. people like Mike Johnson. But on the.

merits of what Mike Johnson said, it is. just straight nonsense. Quote, "The. president is laser focused on domestic. economic situation." Yeah. Um how is. there a single economic metric that's. improved in Trump's term? Or since. Republicans have controlled the. government, inflation's higher, consumer. prices are higher, gas is higher, electricity rates are higher. So, if. this is laser focused, that should be a. blinking red light to everyone because. those numbers are only going in one. direction, meaning their best is not.

good enough. And frankly, that's clearly. okay as far as Republicans are concerned. because no one's lifting a finger to fix. it. Why? Because they have outright. contempt for their own voters. They'll. hit this issue non-stop on the campaign. and then the moment they have power, the. moment they actually can do something. about the problems that they exploited, they suddenly aren't too concerned. They're not in it for Americans. They. are in it for themselves. And they'll. tell whatever lie they need to get. there. You're watching the No Lie. podcast. Next up are my interviews with. Bernie Sanders, Chris Cuomo, and Bobby.

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fraud from these Republicans. and the. fact that they're doing it out here in. California and claiming that Spencer. Pratt uh Republicanbacked candidate not. winning uh the the not not advancing to. the runoff in Los Angeles is somehow. evidence of fraud goes to show that. they're not being um they're not being. picky about where they deploy these. claims. But from from from your point of. view, can I have your reaction to this. renewed focus yet again on any election. where Republicans don't win? Well, that. must be the result of voter fraud. Well,

that's just what I was going to say. Elections are always clean and good and. wholesome when Republicans win. Isn't. that amazing? What a what amazing. coincidence. But when they lose, there's. fraud. Look uh in Trump uh we have an. authoritarian president who happens. among many other things not to believe. in democracy and he has tried to. undermine democracy in many many ways uh. in an unprecedented way demanding uh new.

germandering districts in order to. benefit Republicans. uh his friends. pushing the repeal of the Voting Rights. Act, making it harder for blacks to get. representation uh in Congress, uh literally going after his political. opponents and threatening them with. criminal actions. This is a guy who. doesn't believe in democracy. But I. think you're right. When you talk about. elections being fraudulent whenever you. lose, the goal is to create among the.

people real doubts about whether or not. they're living in a democracy, whether. their voice matters at all. And what's. the conclusion that you reach? If the. whole system is broken in front of all. of the media, ABC, CBS, NBC, they're all. corrupt. The system is corrupt. What's. the solution, Brian? What do we need? >> What? You need an authoritarian leader. who'll cut through all this thing. That's what you need. >> The only person the only person who. could fix it. >> I mean, I heard him. You may have seen.

him on Meet the Press the other day. I. mean, the real paranoia that anyone who. criticized him is is corrupt and is on. the take and the police who defended the. capital against the insurrectionist on. January 6, they're dirty cops. Um, so. you got a guy who is very much an. authoritarian. He admires people frankly. like Putin. He loves NBS and Saudi. Arabia, right? And that's the kind of. government we want where you have a few. billionaires running the show and.

ordinary people not having any power. That is what is particularly uh. upsetting about these bogus charges. >> Is there any sense from your Republican. colleagues who see the dismantling of. this system and recognize that, you. know, it may come back to bite them? I. mean, if you look at how Trump has. undermined the system as it relates to. Georgia, we now have two Democratic. senators from Georgia because Trump. spent that entire runoff, basically. denigrating the effectiveness of mail. and voting. And so, is there any push. back from your Republican colleagues as. he continues to undermine trust in every.

facet of our system? >> I think you there there is, but I think. there's also a great fear. What did. Trump manage to do in the last month, >> right? Get rid of Thomas Massie. Get rid. of Bill Cassidy. Get rid of John Cornin. >> Right. Massie and and these others. people Massie more than others who had. the principle, you know, was is a very. very conservative guy, but had the guts. to stand up to Trump and they put. unbelievable amounts of money into the. campaign and they defeated him. So the. word goes out, you want to stand up.

against that, you're in the Republican. party, you want to stand up against. Donald Trump, we're going to spend as. much as it takes to defeat you. So. that's where we are. You have a party. now as part of Trump's authoritarian uh. tendencies to become a um a a cult of. the individual. Donald Trump says this. Yes, Mr. Trump. Yes, Mr. President. And. we're going to name all kinds of. buildings after you. You are so great. Uh it's a it is uh it really is in a.

deep sense. You know, I'm not a. conservative Republican, but to see so. many of these Republicans give up all of. their principles uh in bowing down to an. authoritarian, not a good thing. >> On the point of bowing down to an. authoritarian, I think no person better. exemplifies that than Todd Blanch, who. Donald Trump has just nominated to be. his permanent attorney general. Um, do. you think that Todd Blanch will have the. support of enough Republicans to be able. to to get confirmed as AG?

>> I'm not much into speculating. Uh, we. will see what happens, but once again, it will take an act of courage for. Republicans to stand up to Trump. What. you may see, uh, amusingly is those Republicans who. have been defeated by Trump suddenly. becoming very courageous. You know, they. have nothing left to lose, >> right? >> Uh, but I don't know. But I'll tell you. one thing that is taking place I think. this week which is of interest is our. friend Elon Musk may become the first. trillionaire in the history of this.

country. So you're going to have a guy. who's a trillionaire at a time when 60. million 60% of our people are living. paycheck to paycheck. People can't. afford housing, groceries, child care. And this one guy owns uh more wealth. than the bottom 53% of American. households. So I think to my mind Brian. if you you know you would ask me this is. the issue of our time. Uh we are looking. at oligarchy big time and not only in.

terms of income and wealth inequality. Uh as everybody knows Mr. Musk put over. $270 million to elect Trump. All right. So this guy is enormous political not. only in the United States putting in god. knows what into right-wing extremist. parties all over the world. he owns. Twitter. So you have a man who controls. big influence in media, big influence in. politics, big influence in the economy. uh and that power is getting even. stronger.

>> Well, kind of a a good way to contrast. what uh Elon Musk did with Doge, which. was basically just a scam from the. start. It was a way for him to give this. to give this veneer of him helping. eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse while. actually just delivering delivering for. himself. uh and eliminating all of the. regulators and the cops on the beat who. would regulate his own companies. But. we've seen Mayor Mandani in New York um. offer up uh kind of a a virtuous version. of Doge, which is COE, the Commission on.

Government Efficiency. And so, do you. think it's possible here that that could. serve as a blueprint um not for the bad. faith corrupt iteration of of what Elon. Musk was trying to do, but but something. other Democrats should should kind of um. seek to co-opt as we move forward. >> The answer is yes. Uh capital Y, capital. E, capital S. Uh you're quite right. What Doge was about is trying to. dismantle the US government.

uh make it less effective in regulating. uh companies like uh Musks. um and also weakening the ability of the. government to deliver for the American. people. But having said that, Brian, if. you think that there is not massive. amounts of bureaucracy within the. government in the federal government, in. many state governments, local. governments, you would be wrong. >> Yeah. >> And often that is not to do with the. workers themselves. It's the kind of.

management that they have. Um, so I. think what, you know, when I was mayor. of Burlington, you know, about 200 years. ago, uh, I think I got myself on the. front page of the Wall Street Journal. because we ran an efficient government. So I wanted to put money into children, into the arts, into housing, into the. needs of ordinary people, not into. bureaucracy, not into um consultants and. all that stuff. So I think Mdani is.

focusing on how you can make a very. large government more efficient so you. save money that you could use for the. needs of working people. >> Well, you were um an outspoken advocate. for uh for Zoran Mamani when he was on. the campaign trail just as you're as. you've been an outspoken advocate for. other progressive candidates. Can you. talk a little bit about the slate of. candidates that you've endorsed thus. far, this progressive slate of. candidates and how they've been fairing. in this election cycle? Well, thanks for. asking and the answer is uh we have been. doing quite well. Uh last Tuesday, in.

fact, we had a really good night. I. think we won five or six uh primaries. Um uh and before that, we have also won. some important victories. Uh. one of the key races that we won uh was. Dr. Adam Himawi in New Jersey. This is a. physician, a man who volunteered to. serve uh in uh in Gaza. Uh he also was.

in the military and ironically he. treated a colleague of mine, Tammy. Buckworth, Tammy Duckworth, uh who was. in a terrible helicopter accident. >> and lost her legs. He was her surgeon at. that moment. >> Uh he is a very strong progressive. He's. an advocate for Medicare for all. uh and. he won a landslide victory against a lot. of opposition. Uh Analia Mahia also in. New Jersey won and she is now the.

congresswoman from the district. Uh Jane. Kim out in California uh is in first. place last I heard in terms of being. insurance commissioner which is uh a. very big deal. uh uh Randy Viegas in California took on. the Democratic establishment uh won. there uh and we've won some other. victories as well. I think uh and I. trust that people understand that from a. progressive perspective what we are. doing right now is not only taking on.

Trump and his authoritarianism, his kleptocracy, his wars, uh but we're. also taking on the Democratic. establishment because I believe that at. the end of the day, it's just not good. enough to say I'm against Trump, vote. for me. What you have to say, I am. against Trump for all of the right. reasons here, but you have to give. people an alternative. Working people are hurting. And if you. simply say Trump is terrible, vote for. me. It's not good enough. The health.

care system is collapsing. Do you. believe in Medicare for all or not? Musk. is going to become a trillionaire. Do. you think we should have a tax on. billionaires or do you not? AI is moving. in a very rapid way and it could be very. dangerous for working people for our. kids. Do you think we should have a. moratorium on data centers? Do you. support the idea of a sovereign uh AI. American uh uh fund sovereign fund which. I propose and other ideas that are out.

there? In other words, it's not good. enough to be against Trump. You need to. have a vision that speaks to the needs. of the working class of this country. And I want to talk about AI uh in the. last few minutes that we have because. you you have been outspoken about this. Not a lot of people are speaking about. this who should be um and it's going to. have probably the biggest impact on. working people of any other issue that. we're contending with at least. >> Ryan, why do you think you are quite. right. and I got involved in this not because I.

stay up nights worrying about it. I do. I'm looking around me. Yeah. Yeah. >> And I'm waiting for people to say, "Hey, we got to do something about this. enormously consequential technology. It's going to impact every man, woman, and child in this country." Why do you. think people in Congress are not talking. about it? >> Well, I think they're getting paid not. to regulate it. >> So, you got it. >> And so, >> it has everything to do with a corrupt. campaign finance system. You ask me how. our candidates are doing. They're doing.

great. But they are taking on day after. day uh crypto money. They're taking on. AI money. They're taking on APAC money. They're taking on military-industrial. complex money. You have a corrupt. system. And in terms of AI, uh the AI. industry is prepared to spend hundreds. of millions of dollars to make sure that. candidates do not say, "Hey, wait a. second. Maybe we should have some strong. regulation. Maybe the American people. should benefit from AI." rather than. just a handful of zillionaires. >> And so, can you give kind of a rundown.

of what you would like to see in terms. of regulation? And and on top of that, is there any appetite among your. colleagues in the Senate uh to sign on. to this or are they just content to. allow these AI companies to run rough. shot over working-class Americans? >> They're not content. They're just. afraid. Look, it's Look, I mean, you're. running for office, okay? Decide you. want to decide for run for office. You're interested in how we can make AI. work for the American people, not just. the billionaires. And as soon as you.

open your mouth, there will be millions. of dollars in campaign contributions. coming in against you. >> Yeah, >> that's what the issue is. Not they know, they they're not dumb. They understand. what's going on. They want to win. elections. And that speaks to the. absolute need not only to overturn. Citizens United, but immediately we can. legally, we believe, get super PACs out. of political campaigns. And that's. something I'm working really hard on. But if we don't do that, then you're not. going to have candidates and members of.

Congress speaking about AI. You're not. going to have them speaking about. Israel. You're not going to have them. speaking uh about climate change or. other important issues. Can you speak a. little bit about the sovereign wealth. fund that you were discussing moment. moments ago? >> Okay, for a start. uh the concept of a sovereign wealth. fund is not a new idea. There are. actually many of them all over the. world. The largest one is in Norway in. Norway which has I think a $2 trillion. sovereign wealth fund based on the. revenue they generated from their.

publiclyowned oil resources. All right, they had a public resources public. resource. They made money off it. It. went to the people, not to a handful of. fossil fuel executives. All right. I'm. not a great fan of oil. You know, we are. worried about climate change. But that. principle that when you have a natural. resource which benefit ordinary people, not just the uh handful of wealthy. people is the principle we're operating. under in terms of AI. What is the. foundation Brian of AI? What is it based.

on? It is based on the human labor, the. production, the work that everybody has. done. I've written a number of books. Guess what? If you go into uh chat GBT, you will get information about my book. The stuff your program people want. information, it will be there. It. incorporates it sweeps up all human. knowledge. So there are two aspects to. the sovereign wealth fund. Number one, that the public will own 50% of the. stock of these companies. Now why 50%?

because that will be that will put us in. a position to stop negative uh ideas. that will impact working people or. impact privacy rights or impact the. mental health of our kids or maybe even. lead to an existential threat for the. planet. Those we will be able to say no. to Mr. Musk and Mr. Zuckerberg and the. other guys. Second of all, to the degree. that AI becomes a revenue generator,

which it certainly will, I want the. benefits to go to the American people, not just to a handful of billionaires. But most importantly of those two. issues, the most important is the public. has got to have the ability to say, "Sorry, you're not going to endanger the. health of our children. Sorry, you're. not going to throw tens of millions of. workers out on the street. Sorry, you're. not going to invade our privacy.". Whatever it may be, AI is the most. transformational technology in the. history of humanity. We cannot allow a.

handful of bureaucrats to determine the. future. >> Perfectly put. Senator Sanders, I want. to end with uh with one last question. You and I both basically come from, you. know, a long time ago, pretty much the. same neighborhood in in Brooklyn. And so. I'm sure there's some some New York. sports teams affinity uh deep down here. And I'm just wondering whether you think. that after the Knicks won game one and. game two only for Trump to show up and. then they and then all of a sudden their.

13game win streak is snapped. Do you. think the Trump jinx is real? [laughter]. >> Uh I remember I will tell you I did grow. up in Brooklyn and uh we used to go way. up in Madison, the old Madison Square. Garden uh watch the Knicks play. See, I. am uh I I wish the Knicks the very very. best. And and on a serious tone, you. know, Trump going there, what Mandani. has done, which was really great, is. have these viewing parties, you know, around the city. And he had one, I think. the plan was to have one outside of.

Madison Square Garden, and it was. cancelled because of Trump. And it. caused a lot of, you know, disconcern uh. in in the in New York City. So, I think. uh with luck, Trump will not be at the. next game. The Knicks will win. >> That's it. We'll leave it there. Senator. Sanders, [clears throat] as always, it's. it's a pleasure to speak with you. >> Thanks, Bern. Take care. >> You say we have big questions about. potential fraud in California. >> We We do have big questions about fraud. in California. Let's just deal with the.

facts for a second. We do have election. fraud. Uh we charged a case la just last. month. I'm not sure if you covered it, >> but there was an individual who was. caught on video uh paying homeless. people in Skid Row to register to vote. with false information. That's not a. theory. That's not a suspicion. That is. a case that we filed and she has plead. guilty to that. So that's a that's a. conviction. >> So we have multiple cases in that vein. open on election fraud. Now the question.

that you know you ask and many is is it. widespread? How much is it? Is it enough. to sway an election? Well, the answer is. we don't know. No, we No, you can't say. no. You haven't done an investigation. You don't know. No, you don't. You don't. know because we have not been able to. You haven't done an investigation. >> We want to get the voter roles. >> You haven't. investig. You have not conducted an investigation. You are conducting one. So, you don't. know. And you are in the business of. knowing right now. You don't you are.

pointing to one case. And you know what? You could point to a dozen. Do you know. why? Because those are all the cases. you've made in the last decade. A dozen. individual cases I did not say half. >> I did not say half were found to be. lacking [snorts] found widescale fraud. There's two different things. You're. saying for sure you know. >> Hold on a second. You're saying for sure. you know there isn't. I'm saying we. don't know because we haven't been able. to look at all the evidence at scale.

Why is that? Let's talk about the voting. system in California. >> Mr. Mr. Asale, if you were in a court of. law right now, and I don't want to I. don't need your opinion on the system. because you're not a voting system. expert. You're a prosecutor. That's why. I have you here. If we were in a court. of law, you said that. >> I was in the legislature. I was in the. legislature on the election committee. I. know a little bit about California's. voting system. >> Yes. >> So, wait a minute. You want me to You. want me to take somebody's experience in. a state legislature for how long? >> I was there I was in the legislature for.

three years. I've been involved in. election integrity long as an attorney. I've covered elections for 30 years, Mr. Asaly. 30 years. You know how many cases. of widespread fraud I've covered? >> One. And it was the Trump. administration. >> All right. That was Chris Cuomo speaking. with US Attorney Billy about voter. fraud. I'm joined now by Chris Cuomo. Chris, uh, I appreciate you coming on. Can you give a lay of the land right now. as far as, you know, this this new um. resurgence of voter fraud claims that.

are coming into the zeitgeist? And look, you speak with conservative guests all. day. You speak with liberal guests all. day as well. Is is Donald Trump going to. be as effective in perpetuating this. idea of voter fraud as he had been in. the past? >> Yes. But. uh the midterms are not going to be. about election safety unless he makes it. about that with what he does to. jeopardize them. The midterms are going. to be about the economic reality in this. country. I do not think the many will be.

distracted from it. That's why your. party is smart to focus on that. Now, how you focus on it, we can talk about. whenever you want. But in terms of. election security, this is largely a. boogeyman issue. Okay. Look, do I think. California is asking for it? Yeah. Why? Uh because the longer you take, the more. suspicious it is. But here was my. problem with Mr. Asale, or as I'm. calling him now, a salesman. Uh this. guy, because he's coming at me and.

trying to pretend something that wasn't. there. Look, you and I can discuss. Hey, look, it looks bad, Brian. It looks. fishy. And the state not wanting to give. it the uh voter roles in unredacted form. exactly the way the federal government, it looks like they don't want. transparency. And it looks like this and. it looks like that. And that's fine and. you can counter and I can counter back. We're not federal prosecutors doing a. federal investigation. A federal. investigator is not supposed to assume a. crime and go look for proof of it. You're supposed to do the opposite. And.

the idea that a federal prosecutor is. going to look me in the eye on national. television and say, "Well, we don't know that there isn't. fraud.". >> Right? >> I mean, look, I can say that. You can. say that. It's okay to be suspicious. were not federal prosecutors. And his arguments after that were even. more telling. They were all political. >> Yeah. >> Well, they let you use a library card. And which, by the way, isn't even isn't. even true contextually, but it doesn't.

matter. They're not legal arguments, >> right? >> None of them were. And that's what was. scary to me. And that's why I got up on. the guy. As you know, Brian, I know how. to fight. I'm a very skilled debater. I. just don't think it moves the needle. I. believe in conversating. I believe in. giving people their best say. This guy. was asking for it, so he got it. >> Well, I mean, this also is kind of, in. my opinion, evidence of the fish rotting. from the head because Trump was asked. the same thing in his interview on NBC.

with Kristen Welker just the other day. Okay, you're going to claim you're going. to you're going to make all these claims. of voter fraud, but where's the proof of. any of it? Where's the proof of any. widespread voter fraud that's going to. have any impact in this country? And he. got up and stormed out. And so and so. you're seeing that that these people in. the administration will make this. argument, but but there's nothing behind. it. And so it's just kind of a lazy. regurgitation of something that worked. in the past. >> I think he got up and left because it. was a woman, maybe a black woman. And I.

think he's got a real problem uh with. that. Maybe it's generational, maybe. it's dispositional. But I got to tell. you something. You're right. But the. where's your proof is not the right push. back for a journalist. Okay, here's the. push back. One, if you want to talk. about proof that we have of things being. done wrong in an election, let's look at. you, sir. >> Yeah. >> Joe Biden didn't put any of your people. in jail.

Courts did. Their own words did. They. lied for you. They manipulated for you. and they admitted it. You had an agency. going around saying that they had all. these affidavit that could prove things. and then in open court when their law. licenses were on the line, their lawyers. had to admit that their client didn't. have any such information. That's the. proof. That's the evidence that we have. and that was the right push back on him.

you are accusing someone else of. something in a vacuum that you yourself. did. And look, I'm fine with I'm fine. with Kristen. This isn't that's not the. point. I'm saying that we have a. tendency right now, especially on the. left, to heroise people who the. president simply just doesn't like. To. me, I don't like the standard. But when. it comes to election security, he's. creating a boogeyman. And the irony is he's the only one who. has done what he says is happening. >> Right. Right. It's uh it's it's the.

perfect instance of uh of projection. which he traffs in uh all the time. You. know, I I think um one one instance. where he's really benefited from all of. this is the fact that we live in such a. bifurcated media ecosystem. And so he. knows that, you know, that that while in. court where it actually matters that you. tell the truth, his people are going to. say one thing that his supporters and. and Fox's viewers and Newsmax's viewers. and O's viewers and Megan Kelly and. Daily Wire and Daily Caller and Alex.

Jones, those people never get that. information. And so you and I could know. um that these things happened in court. We could know, for example, that based. on discovery in the Dominion Voting. Systems case, we have all these text. messages from these Fox executives who. are basically coming out and saying, "We. know that these election claims or this. election denialism is bullshit." That. happens, but those people never gain. access to that information because the. veil is never lifted. >> and they have a much easier lift. I. mean, Brian, defending our election.

system in the digital day and age when. everything is on our phones and we don't. even carry cash anymore makes it look. like we're trying to prop up a bad. standard. And I get it. I get that it. looks that way. Voting is a really. tricky issue. Um, my mortgage is online. My money I don't even know that it. exists. You know what I mean? It's just. numbers somewhere. But voting we have to. do in person or on paper. And it does.

feel weird to people. It does feel. antiquated. And it and you are in the. position of defending what seems like. something that would be easy to to be. fraudulent in especially the California. system because of all the extensions and. allowances that they make in what they. say is an argument of inclusivity uh to. increase participation. But it can look. shady. And Trump is supposed to be a. steward of an institution that he's. openly attacking for his own advantage. Right? That's what's unusual. >> In that vacuum of trust is where.

autocrats thrive, which is why he's. doing it. >> Um, >> see, we should be blaming him for. California's election system. We should. be saying to him, forget the Save Act. Why aren't you automating our voting. systems? Why are we so in the past when. we are so advanced in everything else? We should be pushing him. He should be. But instead, in this crazy bizarro world. we live in, I have to defend the. institutions of our democracy against. the president's allegations. >> Yeah. But that that and that's how it.

goes. I mean, that is the the leftight. divide. And that's where Democrats, I. think, ate a lot of in the last. election because when Democrats are. stuck in a position of defending. institutions when no one has trust in. institutions and those institutions. haven't worked for people then and Trump. gets to present himself as the outsider. railing against it's easy to complain. about something. It's easy to say that. something's broken. It's a lot more. difficult to to claim that something. actually works or to offer solutions to. to make sure that that you know the the. government is is properly functioning.

>> right this look but I'm just saying. again the scary thing to me is and it is. scary okay I don't use the word lightly. having a federal prosecutor come on in. their capacity as a federal prosecutor. and say what a sale did yeah. >> is uncharted territory for us I And it's. kind of like Jim Comey with the letter. during the Hillary situation, which. absolutely devastated her campaign as. far as I'm concerned, >> but on steroids.

>> Um, is is on steroids. Absolutely. Because this dude's not even pretending, >> right? But that's why he's there, Chris. That's why all of these people are. there. They're not in their positions. because they're competent. No more than. than uh uh Pete Hegth is in his position. because he's competent. No more than. Todd Blanch is in his position. But. remember their basis for being able to. do it. It's this it look again it is a. Alice and Wonderland surality that we're. in where they say. >> yes uh but that's because uh you.

weaponized the DOJ first with all the. lawfare against Trump. So once you. destroyed it. once once you destroyed it then anything. I do. >> can't be that bad. >> Right. It's just it's just it's it's. pure retaliation. And who could blame me. for wanting to retaliate? >> That's right. Look, you you created the. game, Brian. I'm just playing it. >> Right. Right. You know, >> um you said something that that struck. me, which was, okay, this election is. going to be about the cost of living, no. matter how much maybe Republicans and. Trump try to make it about uh about.

election theft. And I agree with you. I. agree with you that Americans are more. concerned about cost of living. But I. think what the administration is trying. to do is still to undermine the election. itself regardless of what like they. don't they know the election is going to. be about cost of living and they they. know that it's going to redown to their. disadvantage but but they're trying to. but this is a this what Trump is doing. right now and what Billis right doing. are doing right now is evidence of their. priority in this election which is to.

undermine the legitimacy of elections. and sure they're coming out and saying. look at this fraud in California and. that's all well and good as far as. rhetoric is concerned I think that. They're using that as a pretext to take. legal action or government action to. undermine the legitimacy of the election. so that an election based on cost of. living um is actually able to be meddled. in on their behalf. Uh and they can pass. executive orders like Trump tried to do. with his mail and voting. They can try. to shoehorn through laws like the like. the Save America Act even if Congress.

doesn't pass it. I think what they're. doing right now is giving themselves a. pretext, giving themselves a. justification to be able to take, you. know, big swings as it relates to actual. election security so that people don't. get to have their say on cost of living. uh issues. >> I don't believe in the four-dimensional. chess thing. I think uh Trump is much. more about tactics and in the moment and. than he is about strategy. But listen to. how crazy this is. So right now you're. defending that in California the.

system's legit. The institutions are. fine. They're doing that. Not that crazy. having to defend institutions, but you. know, got to keep it straight. Can't let. Trump say that all these things are fake. just cuz he loses. >> Right? >> Now you go to the next level, which is. but what's going to happen is then he's. going to meddle with the elections and. they're going to say and then you're. going to be in the position of having to. say, "Wait a minute, you cheated. you. you you you wait a minute. I thought the. system was great, Brian. I thought it. worked. >> I get how it sounds, but like we're also.

in the aftermath of of him having done. it already. And so I wouldn't like I I. get it. If I came out in 2019 and said. that I think that this could happen, you. could have plausible deniability and. saying, "Hey, don't be a conspiracy. theorist. That's what Trump does. Leave. that Leave that to him." But we've all. lived through the leadup to the 2020. election and his claims of election. fraud and the extent that he was willing. to go to perpetuate the big lie. And so. I don't think in that instance you can. blame me for having concern. >> I'm not blaming you. I'm just saying. that the dynamic is eerily reminiscent I.

know of how the MAGA folks felt about. the vaccine. Yeah. or about COVID 19 as. just another cold or about the lawfare. and that everything that Trump is. accused of he never did or that of. course and in the main that the. elections anyone that he lost was rigged. because of somebody somewhere saying. something about a bag of ballots. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I get it. I But I think. my job and especially as somebody who.

could like my principal issue Yeah. everybody falls into their into their, you know, corners of the internet and. focuses on things that that they're. particularly passionate about. Um, and. and voting rights and election security. has become um something that that I've. focused a lot of my attention on. And so. I kind of think of it as my as my job to. to in a way predict what's going to. happen so that so that we're not left. flatfooted if and when we come upon a. situation where okay all of a sudden.

Trump is passing executive orders. All. of a sudden he's deploying ICE agents to. the polls. All of a sudden you know 18. months ago I was or or about a year ago. I was talking about the prospect of the. Cala decision coming down. And lo and. [clears throat] behold here we are. And. now Republicans have immediately drawn. out 12 uh 12 seats in these upcoming. elections just due to gerrymandering. So. I think in a way it's it's my. responsibility to some degree to at. least predict and prepare for a lot of. the things that are coming down the. pike. >> Oh, I'm with you. It's just it's just.

hard um to be uh precient and not. paranoid. >> Yeah. And it's also tricky because you. are in you're in a very stilted game. where you have a binary battle to the. bottom of which side is worse and. everybody claims misconduct against the. other in every situation where they. don't win. Look, there's no irony that. Trump is saying the California elections. are rigged because Republicans aren't. doing well. Except for Steve Hilton, who. says there's no problem with the.

election system, >> who the Democrats apparently gave a pass. to when we were in our big election. election rigging mode. We're like, but. you know what? The biggest the highest. office in the land. Let's let that. Republican through. >> Yeah. And it what an irony that Steve. Hilton says he thinks the election's. working fine cuz he's winning. >> Yeah. I mean, it's just all so obvious. and yet. >> it works. People don't trust. And I got. to tell you, raised by uh one of your uh. true hero uh Democrats.

um as opposed to just, you know, of. convenience in the moment uh heroizing. somebody as as I see happening again and. again uh with people in the media and. politics that just get sideways with. Trump. Uh government is a good thing. government helps. Okay? Uh it has lots. of flaws and uh ugly marks just like. everything else. Government is a good. thing. Nobody's arguing that right now. Um and that's too bad because the side.

that thinks that government is worse, the only thing that we know for sure is. that I think things may be really broken. in a way that is not easy for us to. repair. And someone's going to have to. argue at some point that government is. good, that government can do good. things, that we need it. And I know. that's not sexy, and I know it doesn't. feed populist anger, but it's also true. >> Chris, um, because because you're on a. show that that I think um reaches a lot.

more right-wingers than than where you. used to be at CNN. Um, you're a pretty. good barometer of where people stand. And I I know that in the leadup to the. 2024 election, you know, Democrats were. in really rough shape and I think that. was reflected in the results of that. election. Um, have you noticed I I want. to talk like 30,000 foot view vibe. shift? Have you have you noticed any. shift even among the Republicans who. you've had on the Republican viewers or. the conservative viewers to your show?

Where do people kind of I know this is. redundant, but but to simplify it, where. where where where are the vibes moving. right now in terms of the two parties? >> The problem is they're in power. You. can't be an angry disruptor when you're. in power. >> Yeah, >> they tried the blame Biden thing. It. didn't work. >> I mean, they're still trying to blame. Biden. I mean, I think I'm saying. >> you have like cabinet secretaries like. this week who've come out and said that. stuff is still Biden's fault. But yeah,

point taken, >> you know. Well, they're talking about um. the uh worm uh the screw worm. >> And look, that's just math. Okay. Did. having uh a more welcoming southern. border situation for illegal entrance um. hurt us? Yes. How? a million ways, but. one of them is that yes, more people who. had screworm got closer to the US. border. Did Biden let screworm in? No, it wasn't here. Why? Well, it's just the.

reality of the timing. Were more people. getting closer because they thought. Biden would let them in? Maybe. Did. those people have a higher rate of. screwworm? Maybe. Is that why it's in. the country now? Maybe. But there are. other reasons like what you cut the. funding for containment. to the USDA. You cut what was keeping it. out during Biden. You cut it. That had. something to do with it too. But they. don't want to own that. So then what do. they do? What they do better than you do.

next. >> And they just shift to something else. We may come back to screworm or I may. throw it in in some context, you know, some way going forward where. you won't have time to fact check me or. you'll have to focus on my new chaotic. moment. >> But. >> they're very good at this. So, what's. the vibe shift? They're in power. They. got to own it. And they realize now, oh. we got to start making this worth. owning. >> Yeah. >> Uh, we got to start finding something. here that's worth owning. Uh, it ain't. going to be Iran, this regime. Uh, man,

we man, what are we going to do? Israel, we got to stay away from that. Uh, the. economy. Well, which piece? Which part? So, they're searching for that right now. on the right. The left is not searching. as much. You guys know that economic. populism and and affordability as a as a. buzzword, that's your lane. What I don't. like that you guys are doing, I'm I love. your lane. Why? Because it's the. interests of the many. I love the lane. I'm not saying I love all your ideas, but I love the lane. What I don't love.

is that you are convinced. [clears throat]. I remember when you and Carville were. sideways. Now, you might as well be his. son, which is Trump is a bad guy who has. to be called a bad guy everywhere, every. moment of every day. He can get no pass. anywhere. That's the flex. So, that's. what you're doing. Are you wrong? No. But is it raising the temperature? Yes. Is that your fault? No. But it's a.

choice, Brian. And we're going to have. more violence. We're going to have more. violence. And I'm not blaming you. I'm. not because you didn't start the fire. But you are blowing on it. And I'm not. saying you're wrong. People are right to. be angry. They're right to be outraged. They have the right. I just don't know. that it gets us to a better place. And I. know that makes me seem weak and. kumbaya. And I'm not. But that is my. concern. >> That's that's the push back I have. And.

I'm going to I'm going to give you my my. perspective on all of this, which is um. we have had a weak and feckless. Democratic party for as long as I can. remember. Like the joke is that we are. the party of strongly worded letters. And so I understand that by engaging in. the fight um and by fighting back, it's. only inherently going to increase the. temperature because when you fight back, that's all it can do. But the flip side. is that when contending with a party.

that has shown so much utter disdain and. contempt for democracy itself that. they're willing to subvert the election. results if they're inconvenient to them, um we have a duty, an obligation to. fight back as hard as we can. And if the. if the um consequence of that is that. the temperature is raised, so be it. Because because the flip side is if we. don't fight back with all that we've. got, then we're then we're in my. opinion, we don't have democracy after.

this. Like we we're lucky that the. guardrails have held up as tenuous. tenuous though they may be up to this. point right now. And thank God we have. some folks in the judiciary who are. allowing that to be. But like we're in a. precarious spot right now. and and and. if you know it, >> but Brian, what does it mean that what. you're saying right now is the same. thing that Matt Schlap was saying to me. in 2015 um about why they needed Trump. and how tenuous it all was and how scary. it all was and how we were holding on by. a threat. You don't think it's. coincidental?

>> The difference is one of these two. parties. incited an insurrection because they. weren't happy with the election results. when their guy objectively lost even. despite 65 claims in the court. Matt. Schlap can't point to anything like. that. All they can say is, "Oh, socialism is right around the corner.". And as as I've said on your own show, we. had eight years of Barack Obama, no. socialism. We had eight years of Bill. Clinton, no socialism. We had four four. years of Joe Biden, no socialism. Republicans have been yelling socialism. for my entire life. It never comes. So. Matt Lap can be upset that, you know,

the the socialists are Marxist. communists are descending upon this. country and are going to eliminate. freedom. But that's talking points. What. I'm pointing to is is verifiable facts. of what these people have done when. they've been in power and the ways. they've tried to undermine our. democracy. So, we are like I get that. we're both saying the same thing, but. but I think, you know, having this. argument, we're having this this. conversation in good faith. We can also. say that one of our arguments is rooted. in fact and the other is rooted in.

fear-mongering. I think that. if the goal. is to capture the many, now here's the. problem with that. That sounds great. You should be trying to capture the. many, not the few. Okay? But in an election contest context, it's. all about the few. Uh you're running. these congressional races now, there's a. very small percentage of them that are. competitive. Why? Because the system is. rigged. Full stop. Yeah. It's rigged.

culturally in terms of the the binary. nature of it. The parties control the. primary process. Uh they create extreme. candidates. Uh I believe you guys both. do it because it works better for you. and your advantage over the other side. Um we're in a bad spot. Okay. So in an. election context, you're not about the. many. You're about the few and you're. about to try to figure out in a very. small and a handful of places across the. country how you win enough races to.

change. 30 seats. >> Yep. Yeah. >> And so I don't want the many. I'm not. trying to comfort the many. I know. I. get it. I I get what you want me to do. I get it. I get that. That would be. great. It's not my thing. I'm not. running a popular election where that's. what wins. Even that is an electoral. college. Even that comes down to 34. counties in the entire country. So, it's. not about the many. That's great for a. poll, but it's not great for winning.

elections. And that's where you guys. are. And sadly, I think you're making. the right call in terms of your. strategy. I don't like it because I. don't like what it says about the state. of play. But if you want to win a. handful of races, you are doing it the right way. Why? That's what worked for them. That's what worked for them, man. Um, and I don't like it. But if the goal is. to win the elections, I get why Jimmy. changed and I get why you guys are doing.

what you're doing. I just don't know. where it leaves us, >> Chris. Nixon what? >> Nixon five. >> Nixon what? >> Nixon how many? >> Oh, Nicks. I thought you meant like. Nixon like [laughter]. >> I was like I would I wish I I wish I. wish we had Richard Nixon. I wish we had. Watergate. I wish it was that simple and. obvious. I wish there were people in. government who would go to their own. party member and say, "Hey man, this is. too much. You gotta go." You know, I.

wish there was still grace like we saw. with Gerald Ford and the Democrats who. let him pardon Nixon. >> Yeah. >> You know, they could have they could. have gone after Ford for it. They. didn't. >> I wish we were there. I wish we were. there. So, Nicks, >> look, here's the thing, man. I love it. for New York City. I love the metaphor. moment of Trump's decision to go even. though it meant that 6,000 people. wouldn't get to enjoy the game. >> Yeah, >> I get that they had I love that they had. to put a wall around MSG. It's such a.

metaphor for the tale of two cities. >> Yeah, >> that was such a great moment for you. guys to let people know, look what he's. about, man. He's not about you. >> Yeah. And in terms of basketball, look, I want the Knicks to win um more than I. want this pinky. Okay. Um yeah, I'm. serious. I would absolutely have this. cut off tonight for them to win this. series. Why? I think it will be so good. for New York City and I think it could. be contagious in terms of Oh, it feels.

good to have a positive thing to be. pumped about, doesn't it? Let's be like. them. What do we have that's positive. here? Yeah. >> We need it so badly. So badly. >> Yep. But I'm telling you something right. now. This San Antonio team beat the. Oklahoma City Thunder and they were down. two nothing. Now, they didn't lose two. at home. They lost two away. I think the. Thunder is a better team than the. Knicks. Certainly on paper. I love the. Knicks. I want them to win. I am in no. position to say we still got this. This.

is going to be easy. Knicks and five. I. I know people are saying it. I don't. feel it. I hope I'm wrong. I don't feel. it. last night. This team hasn't played. great. Look, I know basketball, okay? That was my game, right? That's why I. wanted to go to college. Like, that was. my thing. The the Knicks have played so. so in this series and they've won two. out of the three games. >> Yeah. >> So, if they start playing like they can, they're going to be fine. If they play.

like this up and down, this team can. beat them. Can beat them four straight. >> Yeah. Well, hopefully, look, hopefully. the uh the first loss Madison Square. Garden is a kick in the ass. The kick in. the ass that they need. So, >> no, that was the Trump jinx. >> He won't be there. He won't be there. tomorrow. >> That's it. That's it. If they The worst. thing for Trump is if and when the. Knicks win on Wednesday's game because. now everybody's going to be like, you. know what, the Knicks have not lost. while Trump was there. So, uh Jinx, where where can, uh can folks who are. watching and listening right now see.

more from you? >> So, here's the cool thing. as you have. been so helpful to me at News Nation um. because it's so important that I use. their platform to put voices that are. great orbiters of the spectrum of who I. believe deserves respect within our. process. I'm not going to have a really. articulate like I'm not going to have. someone on who's just a fire breather. for the fringe of either side. I I don't. think it helps. >> You've been amazing. So, News Nation, I'm on every night. I just started. something called Cuomo Crime Time and.

I'll tell you why. Crime is like our. last good connective tissue in this. society right now where everybody can. get on. Like this is Carmelo Anthony. case. Wait, you thought you needed no. black jurors because it's a raceneutral. case and then they convict a kid of. murder one in three hours and you don't. think that this is going to be a reason. for appeal? Crime. is a very good barometer of where we are. and the struggles that we should be in. together for a better system, a more. perfect union as the founders called it.

So, I got the political podcast that. you've been so good on and and that's. why I love coming on with you on yours. Uh, and the Cuomo Crime Time, and. they're both. You just go on YouTube, you type in my name, they're right. there. You subscribe for free. And now. I'm doing a serious radio show, uh, every morning, their morning show from. 7:00 to 9:00, and it's bananas. Uh, the. the feedback has been nuts. It's I've. never done anything more lightly. Like, I don't care if they fire me tomorrow. Like, you know, I'm up anyway, but I. don't need to do a 2-hour radio show. every day. I've never had feedback like.

this before. These people are all. calling in and they're so smart. They. call me all morning and they have like. real questions. They stump me all the. time. I had an a lady this weekend, this. morning beat me up about the California. election system. >> She she smacked me around. She was. great. So that's where I am. Sirius in. the morning, the two podcasts and I'm on. News Nation at night. >> Awesome. We'll leave it there. Chris, as. always, I appreciate your time. BTC, your hair is distractingly gorgeous, but. there is a brain under there that people. are rightly listening to, and I love.

being part of your world. >> Thanks, man. >> I'm joined now by the man running. against someone who's been dubbed the. most hated Democrat in America. Bill. Ferguson is that Democrat. I'm joined. now by Bobby Lein, running for uh. Maryland's state senate district 46. That's Baltimore area. Bobby, we have a. major update in this race. And for folks. who who subscribe to my channel, they. know that I've interviewed you quite a. bit over the last few months and for. good reason. Bill Ferguson is the sole. impediment to redistricting happening in.

your state of Maryland. So, uh, you now. have an update here as far as some. polling is concerned. Can you share that. with us? I do have it's it's a major. update and it's a it's a big it's a. [clears throat] big update for working. people but I if I can real quick just to. bring people up to speed about how you. and I started if that's okay. >> Yeah. >> Um months ago I think we talked about. redistricting and then I was running. against the guy that held up. redistricting in Maryland. It failed. because of him. And now voting rights. have been stripped from this because of.

the Supreme Court. And Maryland can't. add another Democrat to Congress for the. next two years because of this one guy. But when we first spoke, I talked about. the importance of what a state. legislature does. you know that when. reproductive rights were stripped away. for women in this country, it wasn't. just Roie Wade, but it was state. legislators that made it illegal in most. states in this country, you know, for a. woman to actually have the right to. choose. You know, when um when trans.

folks in Kansas were told that they had. to out themselves on their driver's. license, it wasn't the federal. government that did it. It was it was. state legislators. Redistricting wasn't. the federal government that did it. it. was state legislatores, you know, starting with Texas. Um, you know, the. the spread of AI and data centers in. this country, it isn't the federal. government that's allowing them to be. built. It's state legislators that are. allowing the zoning. You know, it's so. important for people to realize how. important it is to make sure you elect.

the right Democrats to your state. legislature or bad things can happen, you know. And when we started this race, I'm just a working guy. I am a veteran, you know, a former school teacher and a. small business owner. You know, I had a. little bit of a social media following, but I love my city. You know, I love my. city and just like every other city in. this country, people are hurting. They. can't pay their bills. The utility uh, you know, rates are so high. We have ICE. in our streets. And I'm going against a. guy that has $2 million in his campaign.

account, one of the most powerful. politicians, a Democrat in the state of. Maryland. And I just got poll numbers. back that we're at 52 and he's at 45. And that speaks volumes. about the power that the people have. So. like if everyone everyone feels like. they're losing hope or nothing can. change and you know nothing good can. happen. I just want people to use this. race as an example in Baltimore when a.

whole bunch of workingclass people came. together, hundreds and hundreds and. hundreds and hundreds of volunteers and. the poll that we just got back last. night shows that we're winning this. Um. it's still two weeks to go. Uh the. election's on June 23rd, so we still. have, you know, miles to walk before we. sleep. But uh but it was it was very. hopeful. And I can tell you, if you. can't tell on the camera, I am. exhausted. Um maybe at if I'm lucky, 3. hours of sleep each night because what.

it takes to actually make good change in. this country is to sacrifice, is to door. knock, is to get your neighbors. involved, to to convince people that. their vote more than ever in [snorts]. the history of our country does a single. vote count. Right now, it's the most important time. Um, that's the good news and it's. because of people like you also and. people like you who are watching. You. know, things good things don't happen. We don't we can't fight the fascists. We.

can't fight the Nazis. We can't fight. Trump. We can't fight ICE. We can't. fight corporation uh, you know, corporations. We can't fight corruption. unless we stand up together and do it. So, everyone just even watching this, watching this and educating yourself, I. mean, you're part of the solution. you're part of this America. We're all. trying to build a better America for. everybody. Regardless of what you look. like, who you love, you know, who you. are, what language you were born into.

You know, this country should be for. everyone. And everyone that takes a part. in it, just even watching your show and. what you do is a big part of making that. change happen. Sorry, I'm getting real. emotional because I'm I'm kind of tired. and I get my feels when I'm tired. >> That's all good. Well, look, you know, [clears throat] look, I want to take a. moment before we get into the next uh. next questions here, and there's a lot. to talk about, especially as it relates. to redistricting, especially as it. relates to utility rates, all of which. is really important on a national and. local level. I usually save the calls to.

action for the end of these interviews. But I I think it's really really. important right now because you said. something that that caught my attention, which is that Bill Ferguson, the. Democrat that you're running against, the Democrat that was the sole. impediment to passing redistricting in. Maryland, right now has a war chest of. $2 million. You do not have that kind of. money. You are on a, you know, looking. for a,000 bucks here and there to keep. this thing going. And so I want to take. this opportunity for anybody who is. focused on electing Democrats who are. actually looking at how they can help.

people in their districts. Electing. Democrats who understand the urgency of. this moment, meaning Democrats who who. who are who are on top of it at both a. state and a local level. Um Bobby is. that person. And this is a great. opportunity right now to allow your. money um even as you're getting pulled. in 100 different directions to go as far. as it possibly can. um this is not, you. know, the the LA or the Dallas or the. the New York um media market. And so. your money goes far here, but but this. is a race where where your money can.

have a huge impact in taking out a. corporate Democrat who is looking out. for himself uh who is enriching himself, who is in bed with uh the very folks who. are making sure that utility rates are. high in Baltimore, high in Maryland, uh. and replacing them. >> Something greater than that, too. This. is this progressive wage. you know, anyone out out there that was a Bernie. supporter like early on, you know, in. 2016, anyone in 2019, um Bernie Sanders. spoke to me just as a working person and.

he was the first politician I ever gave. money to. I didn't have much, but I. believe that he understood me, right? And that dream that we saw fail. [clears throat] so many times, that. progressive dream, it it is no longer a. dream. If Zoron has proved it, like. Zoron is the best one to approved that. that dream is real, that people want a. progressive movement. So th this isn't. just about Maryland. >> I am facing the only Democrat in the. country. that held up redistricting.

>> in a Democratic state. He used his power. as the Senate President to kill. something that wasn't only important to. the people of Maryland, but was. important to securing and protecting. civil liberties of every single American. in this country. So if that guy would. win, if that guy would win, it sends a. message that everything is okay. That. everything that we've had for as long as. we've had it, all the status quo is okay. because that's what the people want. And.

he is spending a lot of money. Yes, he. has $2 million, but beyond that, you. have the real estate industry that is. dropping mailers uh for him, tens of. thousands of dollars in a state where it. is the most expensive state, one of the. most expensive states to live in. Maryland and realtors were supporting my. opponent. It's not to keep the get the. cost of living down. Um we have the. American future pack. I don't know if. you read this, but they're dumping 41. It's sports betting. $41 million they. are dropping in state races all across.

this country. Sports betting, your. FanDuel, your DraftKings are dumping. over $100,000. into my opponent's race mailing so I can. lose. And let me tell you something, the. sports betting folks, they do not have a. working person's best interest in mind. They want us to use the very little. money that we have to gamble. And why. are we gambling? Because too many people. don't have hope in this country. Because. the bills are so high. and then you go. on and you say, "Oh, I'm gonna bet on. this basketball game and maybe I'll win.

and get a little bit of money and then. maybe I can pay my bills." To just even. allow it to happen and to allow all that. corporate money to come into this race, it's just incredible. And I am such up. not just against the Goliath of the. establishment and the Goliath of the. money that he has, but the Goliath of. all the corporations that want to see me. lose. It's it's not just about Maryland. It's about the country and people are. watching. You know, it sends a message. And let me be honest about the 52 to 45. numbers. That's with a sixpoint margin. of error. That means I need to mail.

people at least two more times between. now and the election in June 23rd in. order to persuade and convince them that. I am the guy that they need to vote for. You know, and I want to be honest with. you, we are out of money. We have spent. every scent that we've had very wisely. to get our message out. And I'm afraid. that with these last 15 days, he's going. to dump hundreds of thousands of dollars. into this race. He has attacked my. family. He has attacked my service. record as a veteran. Uh he's attacked my.

credentials as a progressive even though. I'm the one who has been leading marches. here in Baltimore against ICE. I was the. keynote speaker at No Kings 3.0 in. Baltimore. He's attacking me as a true. progressive. He's trying to find every. tactic in the book to find to push. disinformation and lies through any. means necessary in order just to break. my character down. And Brian, I have spent more than 30 years of my. life serving my country, serving my.

community, just being that helper that. everybody needs. I chose to do this. because I care, because I have a heart. And in the end of the day, this guy is. trying to attack my character with lies. just so he can keep his power. So if you want to be part of beating. that system, if you want to be a part of. keeping this progressive wave flowing. through this nation so working people. finally have their voice again, thank you for the pitch, Brian, but I'm. asking your folks directly, please chip. in what you can as much as you can.

Makegoodchange.com. We have literally two weeks until the. election and this is it. This is the. sprint. This is when every scent. matters. >> Sorry, I know once again I'm tired and I. got it on my feet, but. >> No, I mean, look, it's it's important. and and I think I think also um. hopefully the fact that that I've spent. so much time having you on this channel. and interviewing you. You know, this is. a national politics channel. I I wish I. had the opportunity and the resources um. and the hours and the day to interview.

all state legislative candidates. I wish. I had the time to interview even all. congressional candidates. Uh, but I. don't. But I care about this race. I. care about the campaign that you've run. And you are the only state legislative. candidate that I've spoken with this. cycle. And and I hope that for the folks. who are watching and listening right now. that that counts for something and that. they can draw uh a little bit of, you. know, information from the fact that. I've had you on here so much how. important this race actually is. And so. I'm going to put a link right here on. the screen and also in the post. description for those who are looking to.

donate what they can to support this. race. Bobby with uh with. >> Wait, wait. And let me can I give you a. shout out too [snorts] because everyone. watches you. The millions of people that. watch you at home on a YouTube, right? They're like, "Here's a guy that gives. me news. Here's you." But I want I want. people to know ah look at me teared up. because I'm I'm I'm I'm tired. I want. people to know the kind of man you are. You know, everyone out there, Brian is. the type of man that just randomly would. send me a text or give me a call just to. check in to see how I'm doing because he. knows this workingass guy in Baltimore.

is fighting for his life and fighting. for the lives of his neighbors. you. know, not because it benefits him at. all, um, but simply because he's a guy. that cares. And, you know, I just, everybody, I just go down in the. comments and just say, I love you, Brian, because honestly, if it wasn't. for folks like him that have a heart. like him, you know, he's not doing it. for fame, not doing it for pleasure. He's doing it because it's the right. thing to do. And I really, Brian, I. really appreciate you. And I'm sure, you. know, I'm part of your audience. I'm. sure the rest of us know how much we. appreciate you, you know. So, I do hope.

that people go in the comments and say, "I love you, Brian." because you really. deserve all the love, bro. >> I appreciate that. Look, it's uh I I'm. you you campaign uh gave me something to. believe in. So, that's uh that's that's. why I'm doing this. Um Bobby, uh. finally, I want to finish off with this. Um I want to get real local here. One of. the biggest issues that that folks in in. Maryland, in Baltimore specifically, are. contending with is the sky-high utility. rates. And so can you talk about the. difference um it would make to have you.

uh in the state senate versus somebody. like Bill Bill Ferguson given the extent. to which he is in bed with the very. people who are right now screwing over. the people that you're seeking to. represent. >> This is the clearest difference between. him and I. I don't take a set of. corporate money, right? Bill Ferguson, a. Senate President, has taken $25,000. every single year from BGE, which is our. Y utility provider owned by Exelon. Um, I don't believe I've ever met a single. person in this country that doesn't. believe corporate money influences. politics. Um, I've been fighting against.

that and uh publicly and then he's gone. out publicly and says says, "Oh, no. You. know, just because I take corporate. campaign donations doesn't mean it. influences my vote." I've not met a. single person in this country that. believes in that. We we have a thing. that's happening in Maryland. It's. called the the multi-year rate plan. where our utility provider, you know, BGE, which is, you know, owned by. Exalon, can charge the people of. Maryland uh three years in advance for. projects that they may or may not.

complete. Um BGE sold it to to our. regulators. They sold it to the general. assembly. It's been in place for more. than four years. And BGE went from. making $130 million a year in profit to. $578. million a year in profit. And and. obviously that profit has shown up in. our rates. My wife and I live in an,00. foot home and it impacts places like. Baltimore more because we have older. homes. We've got bad windows, bad. insulation. Um we live in an 1100 foot.

home and our BGE bill is nearly $700. every single month. 1100 square foot. Me, my wife, and the dog, you know, and. it's just crazy. And the whole entire. system was set up for BGE to go ahead. and make a profit. You know, in in. Maryland, our utility provider only. makes a profit with new projects. They. there it's codified in law that they get. 9.5% profit uh for new projects. They. don't get paid for maintenance. They.

don't get paid to fix things that are. broke. They get paid to do new projects. So allowing the monopoly utility. provider to decide what projects are. needed, how many projects are needed, and then charge the the taxpayers, the. rateayers three years in advance for. stuff that might not even be complete is. ridiculous. And I would be wrong not to. bring up the negative impact that data. centers have on this state and that data. centers have across the country. The.

reality is data centers are coming. You. know, like trying to stop data centers. will be like trying to stop the. automobile when we went from the. transition of the horse and cart. But. there's a right way to do things and a. wrong way to do things. The original. automobiles didn't have proper brakes. They didn't have, you know, tail lights. They didn't have headlights. So, and. it's we're seeing the same thing with. data centers. like there's a way where. they can work off of renewable energy, um where they pay their fair share in. grid fees, where they where they pay.

their fair share in taxes, um and where. they don't use drinking water by using, you know, a form of gel cooling or. something like that. There is a right. way and a wrong way to build a data. center. Um but the right way is more. costly to the corporations. So, we need. politicians to have the courage to. actually pass the right laws to make. sure every to make sure they're built. correctly, that it doesn't impact the. life of a human. Um, but unfortunately, if Meta and Google and all those.

organizations are out there giving large. campaign contributions to politicians, how can working people ever get over? How can working people ever fight that? >> Um, and that's the biggest thing. I. think that's the biggest difference with. everyone. You know, I used to be a. government teacher in high school, and. my kids would tell me, they'd say, I. would always talk about government and. corruption and stuff, and my my students. would say, "Well, Mr. Leen, um, if all. the politicians are bad, how do you know. which one to vote for?" And I'm like, "Just vote for the one that's not in. office.

because there'll probably be a lot. better." Um, and that's what we really. need. If we want a better Democratic. party in this country, we need to elect. better Democrats. And that starts by. electing people who refuse to take. corporate pack money, who refuse to take. developer money because at that point. they only answer to the people, not the. corporations. >> Well, that is exactly the campaign that. you've built. So for folks who are. looking to help your campaign, where can. they go? The. >> campaign website is makeg. goodchange.com.

Makegchange.com. Um, look look folks, I know a lot of. people are asking you for money. Um, but. this is a race where we've proven that. we can win, but we can only win it if we. can mail two more times. Mailings are. about $15,000 a mail, right? Um, and. that's at least two more times. You. know, if you really want to see a win, and I'm sure Brian will have me back on. on June 24th, maybe the day after the. election. I'll be really tired that day. Um, we'll let you know how we did. But. this is this is this is something you're.

investing in. Not just this campaign, not just me beating Bill. This isn't. about Bill vers Bobby, like my opponent. versus Bobby. This is about something. bigger. This is this movement that we've. all been waiting for where progressive. candidates actually can win, where. progressive candidates actually move the. needle. And if I win, it sends a message. to every single corporate Democrat in. this state. It sends a message to every. corporate Democrat in the country. because they know this guy's name being. the only one that held up redistricting. That message is that progressivism is on.

its on its way up and that if you don't. tow the line of the people, the people. will replace you. Make good change.com. is what we're doing. >> Excellent. We'll leave it there. Bobby, as always, keep keep kicking ass in this. campaign. Keep giving everybody. something to believe in. And thanks for. taking the time today. >> Hey, thank you for always giving me the. time, Brian. I really I love you, Brian. >> To listen to the audio version of this. episode, click the link right here on. the screen and make sure to subscribe. And of course, to see more video. content, that subscribe button's on the. screen as well.