Supreme Court ruling leads to DIRE CONSEQUENCES for Trump

Donald Trump has royally screwed himself. and I don't even think he realizes it. So, he was unwittingly handed a gift. when the US Supreme Court ruled that his. tariffs were unconstitutional. They have. been a drag on his entire presidency, they poll in the toilet, and most. importantly, they run counter to his. principal campaign promise, which is. that he would bring prices down. Prices. of of food, of clothing, of rent, of. housing, of groceries, whatever it is. Tariffs are a consumption tax. It's. imposed on imported goods, it's paid for. by American companies and passed on to.

American consumers. The popularity of. these tariffs stands at 38%. not great. But, of course, Trump could. never unilaterally bail on his signa-. signature economic policy because then. it would feel like he's capitulating, which we couldn't possibly have, unless. he was handed the gift of a ruling by. the Supreme Court declaring his tariffs. unconstitutional. And, lo and behold, that is exactly what. happened. Trump had in his hands the. perfect out. A way to bail on his.

disastrous tariff policy, stem the. bleeding on the surging cost of consumer. goods, and start fixing his economic. policy ahead of midterms. So, what did. Trump do? Uh, none of that. He vowed to. reimpose the tariffs, first at 10%. globally, and then he nixed that idea. and ramped up to 15% globally because I. guess he stewed about it all night and. woke up even angrier than he when he. went to sleep. And, look, is it a. surprise that Trump views every hill to. be one worth dying on? No. But, here's.

where it hurts him. First of all, midterms are a referendum on the. president, and the president is now. doubling down on one of his least. popular policies. That helps nobody in. the entire GOP. Second of all, now all. of these Republicans running in 2026. have a choice to make. They could either. disavow Trump's tariffs and risk being. on the receiving end of his scorn and. ire, which ultimately amounts to, you. know, a primary challenge and possibly. losing their job, or they could embrace. Trump and his tariffs and explain to.

their constituents why imposing a. consumption tax that disproportionately. impacts working-class Americans is. actually a good thing and risk losing. their job that way. Either way, not great. And so now, on. the issue that was top of mind for. voters in 2024, literally the number one. issue in the last general election, Trump has saddled his own party with the. extraordinary baggage of more tariffs, which means more taxes, which means. higher prices, which means no relief for.

Americans who are not only desperate for. it, but who believed Trump when he. promised to deliver it. And I got to. say, the funniest part of all of this is. Trump raging at the Supreme Court. My. dude, they did you a favor, or at least. they tried to do you a favor. I know. that people think that this is the. Supreme Court regaining some semblance. of legitimacy. Come on. This Supreme. Court was trying to throw Trump a bone. We are in an election year and his. tariffs are hated by 2/3 of the country. This was Neil Gorsuch, Amy Coney Barrett. trying to help a guy who couldn't bother.

to take the help. So instead, he'll rage. against the court by using some other. authority to shoehorn through even more. tariffs, this time on the entire world, thereby ensuring that prices stay high. and that our trading partners find new. supply chains that cut the US out of the. equation. Perhaps instead of attacking the Supreme. Court, he should have taken the help. that he was getting from them. But of course, that's how it goes with. Trump. This is now a matter of. protecting his own ego, so that's what. he's going to do. Every battle for him. is a personal one. So because he's.

already decided to die on this hill, it's about making sure that he wins for. the sake of winning. And sure, that'll. raise everybody's costs, it'll force. Americans to pay an expensive and. unpopular consumption tax, but what. truly matters is that Donald J. Trump. doesn't lose. And at the end of the day, that's the point of the US presidency, to protect the ego of the guy in charge, no matter who has to suffer the. consequences as the result of it. You're. watching the No Lie Podcast. Next up are. my interviews with Jared Moskowitz,

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another 10% global tariffs using a. separate authority. So, first question. right off the bat, does he have the. authority to impose this new round of. 10% global tariffs? Well, obviously every time Donald Trump. comes up with a, uh, an idea or some. authority, it winds up getting. litigated. But, in this instance, he's. saying he's going to use section 122, which would give him power to do it for. 150 days, which comes around if he signs. it today, July 20th. And then, he'd have. to go to Congress to extend it beyond. that for his global, uh, 10%. Uh, but.

obviously, this is a big loss for the. president. He seems to be taking it. well, Brian. I don't know if you've. you've seen him Yeah, there's one thing. I got from that press conference, it was. that he's taking it well. He's really. great at handling bad news, right? He's. he's always excelled in that. Uh that. when he gets bad news, he seems to. really handle it well. He doesn't He. doesn't blame anyone or shout out. anything, right? He doesn't call people. names. He really just internalizes it, keeps it inside, doesn't really tell us. how he's feeling. But it's a big loss, obviously, for him, 6-3 at the Supreme.

Court. But in the plain reading of the. text, it was obvious that this taxing. authority, tariff authority, rested with. Congress. That's right, Speaker Johnson. That's right, Mike. Even though you have. been obviously weakening our Article 1. authority, you know, at the end of the day, you're. actually going to have to do a your job. You're actually Speaker of the House. There's actually a legislative branch, and this is our function. As you can. see, Brian, I'm here live in front of. the Supreme Court. Reporting live, yes. So, what one thing that I thought was a. particularly funny about all of this.

was, obviously, these tariffs are super. um unpopular, and not to mention. unconstitutional, but they're unpopular. And so, the Supreme Court effectively. handed Trump a massive gift. Like Like. just a a gift-wrapped uh a prize to. these Republicans who didn't want to. speak out against these tariffs because. they didn't want to they didn't want to. um. uh be on be on the receiving end of. Trump's ire, but at the same time, they. don't want to have to go home to their. districts in an election year and have. to explain to people why a trade war is. somehow a good thing, even though it's. raising the prices of everything. So, he.

gave them The Supreme Court gave these. Republicans a gift that lasted all of 5. minutes before Trump said, "No, no, I'm. going to go out and figure out some. other way uh to to impose these. tariffs." And so, what do you presume is. the is the the consensus among your. Republican colleagues who almost had an. out here before Trump decided to double. down? More chaos, more uncertainty. Um you. know, that's that's what uh this this. looks like. Obviously, we don't know. anything about refunds. Are these small.

businesses going to get any refunds? I. mean, look, it raised the cost of goods. on the American people, yeah, right? Toys, food, okay, you know, anything you. would buy. that was not made here. Sneakers, all. sorts of clothing. Um it it raised the prices on the. American people, period. Um so, you. know, even if one was saying, "Well, look, we need inflation to go down." You. know, even as maybe some inflation is. easing, it didn't matter because with. the tariffs coming in place, uh it not only didn't ease inflation, it.

made the situation worse. Um. and that's why people feel Americans. feel that things are just so. unaffordable. So, yes, this wasn't out here, but Donald Trump. doesn't want an out. He wants to double, triple, quadruple down on this. And so, by the way, why not bring it to. Congress? The Supreme Court says, "Bring. it to Congress.". >> Yeah. Why not? Why not bring it to. Congress? I mean, I know how I'm going. to vote, but let's see how my Republican. colleagues vote. If he thinks, and he. said this, "There's great unity amongst. the Republicans." Well, then bring it to. Congress and let us vote on it. That's.

what the Supreme Court is saying to you, Mr. President. They're not saying you. can't do it. They're saying it has to go. to Congress, and then you can do it. But. you don't want to uh you recognize that. there is a coequal branch because. remember, they had a massive. They have a massive mandate. Remember, we were told that. We have a massive. mandate. Well, if he has a mandate, why. can't he bring it to Congress, Brian? Well, and the reality is like if he. wanted Mike Johnson to bring it up for a. vote, Mike Johnson would do it. Like. Mike Johnson has proven that he is. perfectly content to prostrate himself. for for Donald Trump. And so, if he.

says, "Bring this in front of in front. of the house." Mike Johnson's not going. to stand in this way. He'd be perfectly. content to do it. Yeah, listen, hope it. happens. It dies on the floor that day. Yeah. Yeah. Um what last point on the. Supreme Court. What did you make of the. fact that he used so much of his time to. rail against these Supreme Court. justices? This is a Supreme Court, by. the way, that has ruled in deference to. him that he can commit criminal acts. with impunity. They ruled that Section 3. of the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to. him even though he incited an. insurrection and gave aid or comfort to.

to who incited an insurrection, which. should have prevented him from being. able to run for office again. The. Supreme Court has bent over backwards. for him for years, only for them in this. one narrow instance. to not show complete slavish devotion to. the guy, and he has a whole press. conference about how they're not. patriotic Americans anymore. What have you done for me lately, Brian? You may have given me immunity, but you. took away my tariff authority. Now, I'm. I'm I'm completely surprised that the. president attacked them personally. So. out of character for him. You know, it's.

a it's a first. It's a total first. Yeah. Uh for for the president to go. uh attack them. I mean, you know, at. least he didn't call any of them piggy. Yeah, or or or a coffee boy, low-level. volunteer, just met them recently. I. mean, this this is like Trump's whole. orbit is is a. a basically like a trail of broken. relationships, broken promises, and and. one-way street loyalty, whether it's. from Michael Cohen, Gordon Sondland, George Papadopoulos, Rex Tillerson,

Kayleigh McEnany, Marjorie Taylor. Greene. I mean, the the the parade of. people who have who have lost their. lives. >> Rex Tillerson dumb as rocks. He's dumb. as rocks. >> Dumb as rocks. The the the parade of. people who have lost their livelihood, their law licenses, their dignity, all. in blind deference to Trump, only for. him to throw them under the bus the the. moment they lose their their their. usefulness is you know, it's. never-ending, I think is what we're. learning. Um but I want to actually. switch gears now, and I and I know that. you. uh that you wanted to to um head away.

from the Supreme Court now into a. different venue, if I'm not mistaken. >> Breaking news. I I have Barack Obama on. on my show. You know, let me let me. throw one out, you know, let me just see. how he reacts. Hey, so what about. aliens? Yeah, they're real. They're just. not at that location. Everyone's like, "Oh my god. WHAT WHAT DID HE JUST SAY?" AND THEN. Donald Trump's like, "Well, he doesn't. he doesn't he just revealed classified. information. I I guess I'll have to. declassify it to help out my friend. Barack Obama. I mean, you brought Barack.

Obama and Donald Trump together uh. on on behalf of the American people so. we can find out about aliens, Brian. What what what have you. done? I I. I don't know. >> [laughter]. >> I don't know. These are These are my. friends. These are my friends, by the. way. There was There was a There was a. moment yesterday where where prior to. prior to the announcement from Trump. saying that he was going to declassify. any information related to aliens, UFOs, UAPs, where it was just focused on.

Barack Obama declassifying information. And I was actually with with my friends. at Pass the Save America, who obviously. all worked for Barack Obama. And I was. like, am I going to be responsible for. Barack Obama being the next target of. Trump's prosecution attempts because I. decided in minute 47 minute 44 of a. 47-minute interview to ask a speed round. question about aliens. But now, apparently. Trump couldn't handle the fact that, you. know, Barack Obama was getting all the. attention. So, he had to glom on and. say, "Actually, I'm going to be the hero. as far as aliens are concerned." Look,

it's it's worth asking you here. Do Do. any. Do you buy this idea that he's going to. declassify any of this stuff? Or is this. just, you know, some example of Ooh, this is a shiny thing that can help. distract from the Epstein files. Yeah, I'm just waiting for the Pope to come. out and condemn your actions. You know, look. I obviously have been involved with this. I've been involved with the UAP task. force that we set up in in Congress. I've been part of a number of hearings.

that we did in oversight. And look, I I do believe that the. American government is lying to the. American people about these UAPs. And we're not getting the information. that I think they have. I do think. there's a lot more. that they're not telling us. I think. that, you know, AARO, you know, which. was set up, um, has information that they're not sharing. with the with the American people. And. this is why it's so bipartisan. You got. people like me and Tim Burchett and.

Luna. You have, you know, Chuck Schumer. involved in this. You had Harry Reid. involved with this before. Marco Rubio, who's the Secretary of State, obviously, uh, it it is involved with this. You. know, how far it goes, how much do we. know, that's unclear to me. You know, uh, but I do think the president could. declassify a lot of documents. I think. he could clear up a lot of stuff. Will. he do it? I don't know. Uh, you know, we'll have we'll have to. see. You know, it it would be.

interesting that these are the files. that come to us unredacted at the end of. the day. This will be the files and be. like, "Yeah, I can't release the Epstein. people, but you know what? Have aliens. Take that." Right. Okay, so I got to. ask, is there evidence, as far as the. government is concerned, from what. you've had insight into, that UFOs and. UAPs exist? Yeah, there's there's plenty of video. evidence. There's plenty of documentary. evidence. The real question is, are they. ours? Are they adversaries? Are they.

private companies? Is it technology that. was found here that we've. reverse-engineered? These are a lot of. questions I get asked. Okay. I have sat. with, you know, multiple people from the. military, former pilots, former folks, uh, high-ranking individuals, uh, in our. military. And I and I will tell you, they have witnessed this stuff first. hand, uh, Brian. [clears throat] And and. these are not the folks that, you know, 10, 15, 20 years ago were in the. Winnebago saying, "I was taken up in the. ship." Yeah. These are decorated.

military people with stellar records. These are folks from some of the best, you know, universities, some of our. best, you know, military education, uh, institutions. These are reputable people. who said, "I saw it. It defied gravity. It didn't move in ways that we can. possibly understand. We have physicists. that we've interviewed that have been. involved. So, this has taken on a. totally different uh face. This movement. has taken on a totally different face. than 20 or 30 years ago when it would be.

someone who said, you know, aliens. touched me and now I now I live in a van. down by the river. Right. So, from the. beginning of of your response there, it. sounded like like this is that it's. really focused more on like military. technology cuz you said you don't know. if if these UAPs are ours or if there's. adversaries. But I'm in an undisclosed. location, Brian. Now, because we're. talking about this, I've had to go to an. undisclosed location. >> That's fair. But like but the second. part of your answer made it sound. otherworldly. And so and so, you know,

what are we talking about here? Is there. Is there some consensus even among the. international community that some of. these UAPs that that folks have seen um. don't belong to some foreign military? >> there's evidence that the Russians, the. Chinese, and the Americans all have. crash retrieval programs. Okay? There's. documents that go back decades and. decades and decades that those three. countries have crash retrieval programs. And in fact, again, David Grusch, right? He's one of the folks that talked about. these crash retrieval programs. And then.

if you if you I got to meet all the. people who are involved with that movie. Disclosure that that just came out. And. I will tell you again, decorated folks. These are legitimate folks. And and. they've been involved, been in the room. Um some of them have had can't talk. about it cuz they had to sign. uh you know, non-disclosure agreements. Um and in fact, in one of the hearings, one of the pilots talked to us about how. he had to sign a non-disclosure. agreement. So, I don't know how far it. goes, right? Some people say they've. seen biologics. I don't know that I'm.

there with that, right? That's like one. of those like I need to see it to. believe it sort of things. But on the. UAP thing, there's definitely more that. the United States government is telling. us. And the way it's getting paid for, right, is we if you look at the Pentagon. who hadn't passed an audit in forever, right? And how things cost an exorbitant. amount of money in government. procurement. What folks that have looked. at this is saying is that they're. overcharging for certain programs and. misappropriating those funds because.

Congress isn't funding this with our. knowledge, obviously, but they're moving. money around. Remember when we when we. we killed Osama bin Laden? We had. helicopters that came out of Area 51. These were stealth helicopters that came. out of Area 51. This is 11 years ago. or so ago, maybe longer now, to go kill. Osama bin Laden. Nobody knew about these. stealth helicopters. We didn't fund it. It wasn't a weapons program that was. well known. And it came out of Area 51, by the way, because that's where our AT. programs come out of, our advanced tech. programs come out of it. And the other.

reason we know about this, Brian, is. because one of the helicopters crashed. Um and and that's why we know that this. that these helicopters. existed. So, there's definitely. government programs that the American. people are unaware of. So, the only. branch then that would have any insight. into any of this would be the executive. branch because clearly, as as a member. of Congress, if sitting on the committee. that you do sit on, if anybody would. have some information, it presumably it. would be you and your colleagues who sit. on that committee, but but you guys have. no insight into any of this stuff.

either. No, they've kept it from us. And. when we've asked questions, they've. tried to stop us. When we've tried to. put. language into bills about disclosure, there are people from government come. down and go to the Hipsy committee, right? You know, and go to Armed. Services and try to stop that stuff. So, you know, and that was the thing that we. found most interesting on the Oversight. Committee, which is if there's nothing. there, why are people from the. government trying to stop the language? Why did Harry Reid have such a hard time. to get language in? Why did Chuck.

Schumer have such a hard time to get. language in? Why did Marco Rubio have. such a hard time? If there's nothing. there, if it's all fake, if it doesn't. exist, why are people in the government. trying to stop it from coming out? And. so, last question here, what. >> Yes, it's your fault, Brian. It's your. fault. Is it Is it To what extent is it. is all of this my fault? So, la- last. question here, what can be done? What are you doing. right now to try and get some some more. exposure onto this stuff? Well, I think you'll see maybe this week.

a bunch of us in Congress do a press. conference on a bipartisan basis to to. try to talk about more disclosure, more. information, to take the president's. words, and say, "Okay, now let's turn that into. action. Let's get some of these. documents out of the Pentagon, out of. the Defense Department. Let's get some of these documents out. and let's get it released to the. American people." All right, well, I am. looking forward to that press. conference. Please let me know if you. need me to be there as the I don't know. if I'll be able to come out of my. undisclosed location now that we've.

discussed this. in detail, but if I am, I will be there. All right, well, looking forward to it, Congressman. As always, appreciate the. time. Thanks, Brian. I'm joined now by the co-host for Pod. Save America, Tommy Vietor. Tommy, thanks for joining. Brian, good to see. you. Tommy, we have big news today as it. relates to the Epstein files. There. seems to finally be some consequences. I. think we have a clip right here. Andrew. Mountbatten-Windsor, formerly known as. Prince Andrew of the UK, has reportedly. been arrested. Officers reportedly. arrived at a royal estate in eastern. England earlier this morning to make the.

arrest of the former prince, who turns. 66 years old today. So, we're not seeing. consequences for those in America, but. in the international community, definitely seeing some consequences. So, can you speak about the situation. unfolding with Prince Andrew in the UK? Yeah, so Prince Andrew was arrested on. Thursday. Actually, he's no longer. Prince Andrew. He's been stripped of his. titles because of his conduct with. Jeffrey Epstein. He's now Andrew. Mountbatten-Windsor. It's quite a name. Yeah. He was moved. out of his massive castle into a.

slightly less massive two-bedroom. [laughter] royal Well, I think it's a. five bedroom. But yes, um he's a total. creep. Uh he was accused by Virginia. Giuffre, one of Epstein's victims, of. sexually assaulting her several times. However, the the allegations in this. case are not about, you know, possible. sexual improprieties. They're about. suspicion of misconduct in public. office, specifically that he shared. confidential government information with. Epstein when he was a special trade. representative. So, it's a it's a. massive deal. It's a seismic event in. British history, and I think.

pretty much far and away the most. high-profile uh individual to have faced. consequences because of their. association with Jeffrey Epstein. The. second highest profile being guy named. Peter Mandelson, who was the former uh. UK ambassador to the US. So, again, another example of folks overseas, you. know, having to face consequences for. what they did and while, you know, Donald Trump sitting in the White House. Do you think that this increases. pressure for the people who are. contained within the Epstein files here. in the United States, or do you think. that we're just in an environment right.

now where the Trump administration is. clearly s- hell-bent on protecting these. people, and it doesn't matter if the. whole world gets locked up for their. association with Jeffrey Epstein. If. you're in the United States, if you are. in the Trump orbit, you're going to be. protected. It's a good question. I I. like. I think it's likely to create more. pressure because every time there's. another investigation, journalists pull. more strings, there's another court case. where documents could be subpoenaed or. found during these law enforcement. searches, there's an opportunity to find. more evidence, more names, more.

documentation of crimes or associations. or photos or whatever it is. So, I do. think like the the more, you know, what. we've seen so far in the Epstein files. is the more information that comes out. leads to more questions, which leads to. more investigations, which leads to more. accountability. So, hopefully this is. going that way. I think the hard part. for me to reconcile is how these people, I'm talking law enforcement officials, Pam Bondi, Todd Blanche, Kash Patel, they can proceed with this sense of. impunity, like like invincibility, that. they they can lie under oath. I mean, we.

had, you know, Todd Blanche and Pam Pam. Bondi just days ago said that there's no. evidence of Trump committing a crime. Ted Lieu has brought out that evidence. since, and we can talk about that. momentarily, but but a lot of what these. people are saying has been refuted by. the actual evidence contained within the. Epstein files, and. you have the broader Epstein files that. haven't even been released in accordance. with the law. They were supposed to be. released December 19th. And on top of. that, you know that they have obfuscated. every opportunity they've had to to. hide, you know, the the co-conspirators.

and to in some cases expose who the. victims themselves were. And yet, there. doesn't seem to be any sense that. anything could ever backfire on these. people, even from a legal perspective. You know, you worked in the White House. Like, is that Why is that not a thought. for any of these people as they barrel. ahead with with with, you know, this. very much extrajudicial um behavior? I. think in this case, Trump has surrounded. himself with a team who are just. woefully unqualified to be there, right? Like, Pam Bondi is a idiot. Kash.

Patel, the FBI director, has absolutely. no business running that organization. These are people who owe their jobs, their loyalty, their livelihood going. forward to Donald Trump. And he assumes, based on giving them those jobs, that. they will do what he says. And it's. clear to me that all those individuals. are now involved in a cover-up. I mean, Kash Patel said there was no credible. information, quotes, that Epstein had. trafficked women and girls to other. powerful men. We saw it in the last. tranche of Epstein files, tons of. evidence that that had happened. So,

that that can't possibly be true. We. also don't know what Patel's FBI. redacted or withheld before they turned. the documents over to the DOJ for. release as per the law, which you, I. think rightly pointed out, has not. actually been followed to the letter of. the law, the the law requiring the. release of these files. So, I think. people like Pam Bondi. >> And and an explanation of the. redactions, by the way. >> Right. Right. Um so, I think people like. Bondi, people like Patel, they know that. the only way they keep their jobs is by. doing Trump's bidding, and I think they. probably also assume that on the back.

end, when they leave government, they. will get a pardon. And it's not just all. of these other the existence of all of. these other co-conspirators, um, who we. know, based on what we've read in these. files, have have committed criminal. activity, but, um, Ted Lieu had also. stood up on the House floor and offered. up some information that was. incriminating against Trump. Let's see. that clip. >> Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. thousands and thousands of times. In those files, there's highly. disturbing allegations of Donald Trump. raping children. Of Donald Trump threatening to kill.

children. So, I encourage the press to go look at. these allegations. So, that was Ted Lieu. making it abundantly clear that Trump. himself is implicated in these files, which, by the way, again, directly. refutes what Pam Bondi said when she. claimed that, you know, Trump had done. that there was nothing illegal, uh, tying Donald Trump to Epstein in the. Epstein files. We know that's not true. >> Yeah, and so, I mean, we know that in. the Epstein files that were released by. DOJ, there are allegations that you and. I have not been able to corroborate of.

misconduct or crimes by Donald Trump. And then, you were saying that Ted Lieu. said, "No, no, no." What he's. referencing there was not even in the. DOJ release. It was something he had. heard through, uh, you know, a separate. sort of investigation of his own, which. all speaks to the fact that, look, I. mean, you look at what DOJ is doing. here, and it's like, is it malevolence. or is it a incompetence? I mean, I Maybe. both. It does seem like there is some. amount of a cover-up. And when Pam. Bondi's pressed on what the hell she's. doing over at DOJ, she screams we should. be talking about the Dow being at. 50,000. And like, Well, we should be we.

should be talking about the Dow being. [laughter] at 50,000. >> one of the most insane moments at a. hearing I've ever seen in my life. >> Yeah. And to your to your question of. whether it's incompetence or or. malevolence, I think, frankly, it's both. because Pam Bondi was was uh confronted. on the fact that uh that she hadn't even. taken into account what these survivors. have to say um, by Dan Goldman at the. House Oversight Committee hearing just. just a few days back. There are 32. names. One is redacted. 31 are not. So, someone looked at it and decided to. redact something.

And I will tell you. that that is clearly intentional to. intimidate these survivors and victims. Now, in a interview last week. >> you tell me that's intentional? >> In an interview I'm. In an interview last week, Deputy. Attorney General Todd Blanche. >> go off script. >> said that any victim that wants to speak. with the Department has done so, hopefully. Well, thanks to the incredibly brave. people sitting here behind you, we can.

actually ask them if that's true. Now, with the survivors and victims who. are here, please stand up one more time. Just by show of hands, how many of you. or your loved ones actually [snorts]. have met with the Department of Justice. and provided testimony and estimate and. evidence? None. And of those of you who have not met, which is everyone, how many of you have. reached out either individually or. through a lawyer or representative to.

offer to provide testimony and evidence? All of them. And of those you of you, all of you, who. have reached out, how many of you were. denied or ignored by the Department of. Justice? All of them. And despite the shameful and despicable. efforts by Miss Bondy and her Department. to intimidate you, how many of you are. still willing to speak to the Department. of Justice? All of them. Well, Miss Bondy, it looks.

like you have some more witnesses to. talk. >> has expired. So, right there, you can. see that this DOJ will again beat its. chest as this beacon of of. and transparency and and looking out the. survivors and and and seeking seeking. punishment for those who participated in. these crimes, but they they can't even. be bothered to meet with the survivors. themselves. >> a stunning moment. How is it possible. that they have not met with those. individuals? They've not heard them out, that they've not taken testimony. I. mean, these are serious crimes that. we're talking about. They they refuse to.

meet with these people. And then Pam. Bondi in that clip. wouldn't even look at them. She wouldn't. look them in the eyes. She wouldn't. apologize for the way her office has. mishandled the release of the files and. exposed their names or exposed images of. them naked. I mean, it's truly it's like. horrifying. Just from an optics. perspective, too. Like, I wonder what. was going through her head when she was. like, I want the photo. of this moment. Like, the the the way that this moment is. going to be memorialized to be all of. these survivors standing behind me and. me not even being bothered to turn.

around and look them in the eye. It was. like engineered to be the most callous. image you could possibly create. Yeah, it kind of reminded me of the famous um. I think it's called the seven dwarfs. image of all the tobacco CEOs kind of. getting sworn in at a hearing. It's just. like an indelible iconic image of these. seven scumbags who go on to testify and. claim that nicotine isn't addictive and. you know, that cigarettes are fine for. you, basically. And like, that's what it. made me think of is Pam Bondi just. ignoring these victims because she is. terrified that it will upset Donald. Trump somehow. Yeah. So, she's yelling.

about the vow. Right. I mean, and and. that really is what it comes down to at. the end of the day. And the sad part is, as far as Pam Bondi and Donald Trump are. concerned, is that they're performing. for an audience of no one at this point. Like, they've lost all their. influencers. They've lost Andrew Schulz. and Joe Rogan and Tim Dillon, Brett. Cooper, uh Shawn Ryan, like all of these. manosphere podcasters, right-wing. podcasters who, you know, were groomed. into thinking that I don't think they. were groomed. I mean, I think these are. people who are sincerely thought that. what they were being told was real. And.

the assumption was, if you think back, was that like. that Democrats were covering up the. Epstein files because Bill Clinton was. in them. And that Donald Trump would. have a political incentive to go after. this information and expose them. And. what we've all learned since is that. Trump and and Epstein were best friends. Yeah. And so at this point, you know, they've. lost all these people. They the. survivors can obviously see what's going. on. You've got even Republicans, you. know, even though they won't admit it. publicly, the fact that you've got. Thomas Massie and Anna Paulina Luna and.

Nancy Mace and Lauren Boebert and. formerly Marjorie Taylor Greene. Yeah, I. mean like the fact that you've got all. of these people who who but like you. look at somebody like Marjorie Taylor. Greene and Lauren Boebert like these are. people whose brands are their loyalty to. Trump. Like that is their whole brand. And even these people are breaking with. Trump because it's become so obvious. what he's trying to do. And I don't know. what this performance is for anymore, but like it is impossible not to be able. to see through it. And then every day. that this continues subsequently, it. just feels like more of a slap in the. face. It just outright disdain for their. own audience. Yeah, it is look, I mean,

I'm not someone who agrees with Marjorie. Taylor Greene on much if anything, but I. do think she is sort of like a sincere. person who came to the job as just like. a normal lady and you know, did a lot of. CrossFit down in Georgia and like. genuinely was horrified by what she. learned about Jeffrey Epstein and. genuinely thought Donald Trump would. actually take steps to go after the. people who abused these women and has. been. sickened and shocked by his reaction. I. think you know, it's pretty telling. Well, I do hope that some of this. movement from overseas is going to at.

least have some impact. I can't imagine. it makes. these American officials lives any. easier. Like like do I think it's going. to be enough pressure to actually move, you know, some prosecutors or whatever. it may be to like take seriously. people's involvement with the Epstein. scandal? Who knows, especially if Pam. Bondi's in charge of the DOJ DOJ, she. going to do anything? Probably not. But. but it's not going to make their lives. any easier and it's only going to add to. the immense pressure that they're. already contending with to the point. where, you know, Trump has lost his most. vocal ally in the house. Polling is.

dismal on this topic, you know, you've. got midterms coming up. And now the. framing as far as the broader political. zeitgeist is concerned is, you know, you've got the working class versus the. Epstein class. >> Yep. And Trump is is lumped into the. Epstein class. >> He is viewed as Look, I think a lot of. people that supported Donald Trump. because they hated Washington, they. hated the system, they rightly felt like. it was corrupt and it was rigged against. them and they thought that Donald Trump. would go to DC and burn the place down. and go after all the people that they. hate. And in fact, he's on the opposite. He is their biggest defender. He is. keeping them out of jail. He is uh.

taking their bribes to build his little. ballrooms and then protecting them. legislatively. So, I think so it's like. a a perfect encapsulation of the ways. Donald Trump has not drained the swamp. He is just filling it back up. >> Yeah. Okay, Tommy, we're going to switch gears. a little bit here to uh a particularly. interesting moment that actually. involves me. >> Uh-huh, what'd you do? >> uh that is I made the car I I committed. the cardinal sin of asking a former. president whether aliens were real. Yeah, I'm sure most people have seen. this clip, but here's the quick clip. Are aliens real?

Uh they're real, but I haven't seen them. and and and uh they're not being kept in. uh what is it? >> Area 51. >> Area 51. Uh there there's no underground. uh facility unless there's this enormous. conspiracy and they they hid it from the. president of the United States. What was the first question you wanted. answered when you became president? Uh. where the aliens? Where the aliens? So, that was Obama confirming his belief.

that aliens are real, but but not. offering any proof as to the government. knowing anything about it. It was pretty. clear to me in the room. I think I you. know, you and I had spoken as well and I. think it was pretty clear to you as well. what he was what he was saying there. >> That wasn't So, when this interview was. pitched to you, they weren't like, "Hey, we'd love to confirm the existence of. aliens, but first let's do like Let's do. 44 minutes [laughter] of other stuff.". That's not how it went down. >> to do 44 minutes, then we're going to. break the biggest news of the century. during the speed round. >> The scoop of the century. So, So in any. case, it was pretty clear to me, but uh.

apparently one of our one of our most. frequent viewers uh He's your number one. fan, right I think? >> He's always commenting on your videos. >> Always comments and it gets a little bit. annoying at this point, but. >> Yeah. But uh he had something to say. about it. Barack Obama said that aliens. are real. Have you seen any evidence of. non-human visitors to Earth? Well, he. gave classified information. He's not. supposed to be doing that. You know? >> So aliens are real? Well, I don't know. if they're real or not. I can tell you. he gave classified information. He's not.

supposed to be doing that. Well, he made. a He made a big mistake. He took it out. of classified information. No, I don't I. don't have an opinion on it. I never. talked about it. A lot of people do. A lot of people believe it. Do you believe it, Peter? Uh well, if. the president can declassify anything. that he wants to, so Well, maybe he's. getting him out of trouble. I may get. him out of trouble by declassifying. We. know illegal aliens are real. Yeah, illegal. Only illegal So that was Donald. Trump saying that Barack Obama. spilled classified information by uh.

affirming the existence of aliens. Yeah. Do we think that's what happened here? I. didn't think it was what happened. [laughter] until Trump said that it was. classified information. The craziest. part is it again, like the internet was. split as to whether Obama really you. know was offering up some some the scoop. of the century by talking about aliens, but but there was always like a a real. healthy degree of plausible deniability. But when Trump comes out and he says, "Obama just revealed classified. information." There's no ambiguity.

there. He is saying that that is that. that is not only real, but classified. >> Do you think you'll be called to. testify? >> I I can't imagine I'm not. What if. >> You can't imagine? >> [laughter]. >> What if You're sitting in court in like. 3 years and you're like, "Yeah." Do you. know the crazy thing is that isn't even. the most far-fetched thing I could think. of right now. I get hauled into a. courtroom to testify on behalf of Barack. Obama who's being prosecuted for. spilling state secrets about the. existence of aliens in the speed round. of my podcast. It would be memorable. It. would be memorable.

>> story for your second book. I mean like. you know you having worked for him. National Security Council spokesman. when he was president what did you make. of his answer. because like there was a ton of. discourse surrounding surrounding this. question in particular you know there. were plenty of people on the internet. who were perfectly content to jump down. my throat and tell me that I'd missed. the Yeah. missed the follow up of the. century but but did it strike you as. something that needed clarification? I. mean I I saw some of those reactions and. my takeaway was that those people don't.

have the best kind of like reading or. viewing comprehension. It was pretty. clear to me that Obama was being like. yeah I think aliens are real but I never. saw evidence of them. So like if he has. not seen evidence and he obviously can't. confirm something to you. He was just. saying like yeah it's a big. place like what's it the Drake equation. right? There's X number of stars and. even more planets and you know with the. right conditions the right numbers. there's likely to be. life out there somewhere. Doesn't mean. we know of it but like if you. >> [laughter]. >> Anyway the people who are yelling you. about following up are deeply stupid in.

my opinion. Point one. Like. he's a pretty cautious guy. I don't. think he's going to disclose anything. that [laughter] even comes close to. classified. Yeah. So I'm I don't really. think Trump's right there. I don't know man. This like Trump's just. being an. What did you make of the fact that that. Obama issued his clarification? Is he a. is he an issue a clarification kind of. guy? Not usually. What I assumed and you. can tell me if this is right is that all. of a sudden the internet ran with this a.

bunch of news articles ran with this and. his staff was getting a trillion. incoming questions about whether they. could confirm or deny the existence. [laughter] of alien life. And they were like Jesus Christ let's. just post something. Yeah. I think. that's pretty safe. I I seeing like. KFile post online that he'd reached out. to Obama spokespeople for for comment. and I was like. I was like Jesus. Listen, I [snorts]. think it was a good story of a great. thoughtful comprehensive interview and. then you know you do a little clickbait.

at the end and then you you. successfully clip and get it out there. and it's a great way to drive eyeballs. to the whole thing. Well, you know the. interesting part was for all of the. people saying that I should have asked a. follow-up if there was a follow-up and. he had said what. what you and I know he would have said. which is you know. the universe is large it's I it's it's. highly unlikely that that we're the only. intelligent life in the universe but you. know I haven't seen any aliens you know. in any government facility or anything. like that. I think that that would have. actually quashed all of the.

like the interesting part of this which. was the question of whether aliens are. real or not. Like I think the fact that. there was no follow-up actually drove a. lot more conversation because it was. that ambiguity that allowed the. discourse to take a life of its own. Yeah, I guess it just like God well to. me it was just a reminder that people on. the internet take everything so god damn. seriously. Yeah. It's like everyone just. relax. I just watched he's clearly not. saying He's trying to do a speed round. He's just not. >> My next question was like I I had a.

question like two questions after that. was like is Tupac real? Yes. Like [laughter] that that was Look, we. had 45 minutes of really heavy like you. know what I think is interesting stuff. and important stuff. Yeah, like we we. hit every topic the future of the. Democratic Party. We had you know the. the how how the party could and should. look differently moving forward the. issue of age in politics all this stuff. and like we should be able to have. [laughter] like like 120 seconds of just. something like that. >> Just goofing around. Yeah, what did you. say is Tupac alive and he said on my. playlist on my playlist he is.

>> [laughter]. >> That was it. >> Like exact same tenor and tone of that. answer as the as the aliens one which is. like yes they are but I'm not I don't. know that they're there. There is a. parallel universe where that was the. clip that was clipped. >> 100%. >> and everyone's like "Tupac is real. >> Yes. >> Tupac is definitely He didn't deny it. Yeah, how dare you not follow up on. that? Like, is he literally living in his playlist? We'll never know cuz there was no. follow-up. Like, come on, everybody. Well, with that said, that interview, of. course, is on my YouTube channel for. those who haven't seen it yet. Also, for. those who are watching right now, highly. recommend if you're not subscribed to.

Pod Save America's YouTube channel, please help us grow this progressive. media ecosystem. I'm going to put the. link to Pod Save America's YouTube. channel right here on the screen and. also in the post description. Make sure. that more people can listen to Tommy and. hear what he's got to say. Look at that. face. I'm joined now by US Senator of. Minnesota and current gubernatorial. candidate in Minnesota, Amy Klobuchar. Thanks so much for joining me. Well, thanks, Brian. Great to be on. So, I want to talk about the the new. news as it relates to the Supreme Court. Trump just came out in the aftermath of. the Supreme Court striking down his.

tariffs and said that he's going to. basically double down. And so, he said. two things that I want to get your. get your read on. The first was that. there are going to be existing tariffs. under Section 232 and 301 that are going. to remain in place. And the second thing. he said is that he's going to impose a. 10% global tariff, so a new tariff under. Section 122. Obviously, I'm not up on. these different tariff statutes, but I. want to get your your read here in terms. of whether what he's saying is true or. not.

I know you are super surprised that he. is not just accepting the decision of. the highest court of the land. I know. you're also super surprised that he. called them disloyal, unpatriotic, and. wait to boot, swayed by foreign. interests. And that includes Gorsuch, Coney Barrett, and Roberts. That all. aside, he has had used several statutes. for tariffs. Two are the ones you mentioned that are. more traditionally used. That 232, which. is about like national security.

interests. Other presidents have used. that before on steel. Uh, things like that, aluminum. And then the. second one is this 301, which is about. violations of tariff agreements. Those. will still stand. They are more narrow. There has to be an investigation. I. don't I actually have uh, been in favor. of using those statutes for some things. That's why we have tariffs, right? Especially when steel dumping is going. on and the like. But again, he's. overused them. But let's go to what.

really happened here. The IEEPA statute. sounds cute, but isn't, is the one that. he used to assess these across-the-board. tariffs. That's where the court said, "Wait a minute. It doesn't have the word. tariff in it. You can't do it this way.". So, his response, of course, was to go. after the justices and also to go after, I guess, the chamber and all the small. businesses that brought the case. But. now, here's this kind of scary part in. terms of the future. He has said that he's going to use.

another statute, and that's was your. second question, 122. This really hasn't been used in that. way. I don't believe it'll be upheld. I. don't know. But there is a catch with. this, which is why he didn't use it. before. After 150 days, Congress can step in and. say, uh, "No, we're not going to extend. this." Congress has recently shown by. passing something to throw out the. Canadian tariffs that even some are. Republicans are realizing this is. horrible economic policy and voting with.

us to get rid of the tariffs. So, that's. a problem he's got under that thing. Plus, is it even legal? Will it even fit. it? Is he even going to do what he says? And then meanwhile, we've got people. that are going to want refunds, including every consumer in America that. lost $1,700 last year. Um, but that. aside, it's a lot of importers in the. US. Well, how will it be passed on? That's what he should be focused on. But. instead, he's just lashing out at. everyone and blaming everyone else.

instead of taking responsibility for. getting our economy on a better track. If he does move forward with the. implementation of the 10% global tariff. under Section 122, which it seems like. he's hell-bent on doing, and he has what. you said 150 days to to that this last. 150 days before it has to be. reauthorized by Congress, is that. correct? >> Mhm. So, I mean, isn't that putting. Republicans in a miserable position of. having to now. uh be the ones to shoulder the burden in. an election year of continuing tariffs.

that are already unpopular, already. raising the prices of everything from. food to clothing to uh to toys to. electronics? Like, isn't isn't that. screwing over his own party just months. before voters are going to be casting. their ballots? But, he doesn't seem to care. He. literally called the Supreme Court. justices, the conservatives he had put. on there, RINOs at this press. conference. I heard it. It's like, I. can't even And that's why I don't think. he cares. And so, they have already. started to say, of course behind closed.

doors over and over again, especially. northern states, telling him that these. Canadian tariffs are a disaster. Carney, who's a smart prime minister, is. starting to make deals with other. countries. What else is he supposed to. do? And we're going to lose long-term. markets because of these tariffs. So, who knows what he'll say tomorrow, but. today the response was anger and chaos, which is what we're used to every day. from this White House. Um the checks on. him. the midterms, big big massive check on.

him. Uh the court, clearly at times will. stand up. And the people of this. country, who in poll after poll, especially now independents, moderate. Republicans, are saying they hate the. costs, they hate the chaos, they hate. the corruption. Okay, so I want to I. want to switch gears here. You have. announced your gubernatorial run in. Minnesota. What's going to be your. priority as governor of Minnesota? Well, Minnesota has been through a lot, and that's not sugarcoating it because. we've had, of course, the assassination.

of former Speaker Melissa Hortman and. her husband, 20-some people gunned down, little kids in a church through. stained-glass windows, and then the. current, which is 3,000 ICE agents on. our street with Minnesotans standing up. and showing the world that we're not. just a center of America's heartbreak, we're also the center of America's hope. and courage. So, I learned from Governor. Walz at the end of the year that.

the beginning of this year that he had. decided that he wasn't going to run. And. I had to make a very quick decision. I. love my job. I think you know that. And but I love my state more. So, my. focus. the being the governor of the state of. Minnesota, if the people give me that. trust, is going to be to be a. transformative governor. We need to get. to a higher ground, and to me that means. getting stuff done for our state. I've. got a track record of doing that. It.

means bringing people together. If I can. pass a bill with Ted Cruz while Donald. Trump is in office, I can do some pretty good things for our. state. And then the third thing is. standing up for what's right. We don't. need a rubber stamp of Donald Trump. I. have seven Republican opponents right. now. So, it's standing up for what's. right, but it's also fixing what's. wrong. And so, I'm really excited about this. campaign right now. All right. So, give. me some specifics. What would you like. to see at the end of, you know, let's.

say you've got two terms of of of. governor of Minnesota under your belt. If you've accomplished what would make. it a success? Bringing costs down for the people of. Minnesota. That means more housing. That means child care. There's all kinds. of innovative things going around around. our state that I think would be really. helpful. And it means bringing health. care costs down. I also want to get to a. point in our state. where uh people feel good again. about what's going on in our country.

Some of that, of course, is going to be. changing who's in the White House, but a lot of it is going to be getting. to a better place in our own state. Our. state is the state that brought the. world everything from the pacemaker to. the Post-it note, and we've got to. conquer our next frontier, and that's. going to be educating our kids and. making sure that people can buy their. first house. Uh so, that's what I'm going to do as. governor, and it is a time like no. other. And for me, I've been just. telling everyone that's been 50,000.

people, and I was in that march, who. stood up when it was 10 below zero and. marched, um that this is our moment to. not look away, to not look down, but to. look at each other and look up to the. North Star and move forward together. So, part of this as a leader is just. bringing that sense of optimism in one. of the toughest times uh we've ever. seen. And I do that in the memory of. Alex Preddy, um gunned down in the. middle of the day, or Renee Good. Uh we.

know how hard this is going to be for. their families in the year, uh but our state has stood with them, and I will continue to stand with them. In the event that Trump continues to use. Minnesota as a punching bag, and we've. seen that happen thus far, um with these. ICE deployments at the hands of a rogue. agency that feels like they can commit. crimes with impunity, what is your plan. to step up um and stand up to this. administration? Well, the first is the work I can do as. a senator. This.

uh we know what happened this summer. where I strongly opposed the big. beautiful betrayal of a bill, $75. billion. going to this agency, and that is what. allowed them uh to hire up the way they. did, with no training, 47 days training, putting in place a bounty system. When. all is said and done, I think the. country's going to learn that a lot of. times when they picked up legal citizens. and threw them in the car and then threw. them out of the car in the freezing cold. four blocks later or brought them. illegally to a detention center, that.

this is going to be because they got a. bounty for each person. The lack of cameras, the refusal to take. off their masks, the fact that they. didn't use warrants, all of this has to. change. So, I figure my job in the next. few months as a senator will be advocate. for not putting all this plowing all. this money into this agency. One. proposal is if you really want to put it. into making people safe, why don't you. take the extra money that ICE got and.

put it into local law enforcement to. help our communities. So, that's. going on and then the second part of. this is following up and making sure. these investigations, working with. Attorney General Ellison. and other prosecutors in our state. because Pam Bondi has already said, the. Justice Department has said, "We're not. sharing the information. from these investigations with the local. prosecutors." This is unheard of in our. state. When the kids were shot in the. church, when Melissa Horton was gunned. down, the federal, and this is during.

the Trump administration, the federal. agents worked incredibly well with our. very professional State Bureau of. Criminal Apprehension. So, that's. another part of my job to make sure. we're following through. on. allowing the Minnesota Department to. have a transparent and full. investigation of these killings. As. governor, even though DHS isn't sharing. any information, DHS and FBI aren't. sharing any information with state.

investigators at the BCA, will you commit, regardless of the fact. that they're stonewalling you, blocking. you, to holding anybody to to to pursuing. some investigation to make sure that if. you know these ICE agents were indeed. found to have. murdered Alex Pretty and or Renee Good. that they're going to be held to account. despite the federal government refusing. to hold them to account. Of course and. that will be in the hands of our. prosecutors and Minnesota Attorney. General Keith Ellison. So they are doing.

that but. I [clears throat] I would hope that that. investigation would conclude before I. even. got into the governor's office because. it's going to be an entire nine months. and that Bureau of Criminal Criminal. Apprehension which is run by a complete. pro who's been supported by both. Democratic and Republican legislators. who defended him when the Trump. administration attacked him a guy named. Drew Evans. Um he is going to continue. under Governor Walls that investigation.

and I would hope that it would be. concluded even before a new governor. would come in but of course I would. support that investigation. >> We'll leave it there. Senator Klobuchar. as always thanks so much for your time. >> Okay. Thank you. See you later. To. listen to the audio version of this. episode click that link right here on. the screen and make sure to subscribe. and of course to see more video content. that subscribe button's on the screen as. well. >> [music].