Republicans move to IMPEACH NOEM as DAM BREAKS

Christine Nome's impeachment prospects. start to get real as Republican. officials now join in on the effort. And. I've got four interviews. Minnesota. Governor Tim Walls, Minnesota Attorney. General Keith Ellison, and lawmakers. Roana and Robert Garcia. I'm Brian. Teller Cohen, and you're watching No. Lie. [music]. So, look, it's almost impossible to be. held accountable for anything if you're. in the Trump administration. Because. when you violate the law and people. demand accountability, that Trumpian. mantra of never admit fault, never take. blame, never capitulate, all that stuff.

kicks in and Trump rallies around his. officials even harder. So basically, the. more deserving they are of facing. accountability, the less likely it is to. actually happen. Unless you screw up so. royally that it becomes impossible for. even Republicans to ignore. To that end, here's Lisa Marowsky and Tom Tillis. >> Senator, do you have faith in Christine. Noam as DHS secretary? I I've already. made a statement on that. >> Oh, I I wasn't there for it. >> Yeah, I I said that I've lost confidence. in her. >> Do you think that President Trump should. remove her from the position? Do you.

think she should resign? >> Obviously, up to the president. Um I. think we would be we would be better. served if we would need leadership. >> And if she doesn't leave on her own. valition or if the president doesn't. fire her from the position, would you. support something like impeachment? I I have expressed my um lack of. confidence in her and uh. my my voice is out there. Um and we see.

what happens. >> And one more question. Is it just the. you know is this just because of how she. handled the Alex Prey shooting or do you. think that it's a greater. >> I think that there issue. >> I mentioned. >> to just that reporter there. Um I think. that there are are other issues. I supported her. I supported the. nomination. I had great hopes for her in. the department and and I've been. disappointed. >> Do you regret that vote? >> Well, I just said I have been.

disappointed. >> I think that uh what she's done in. Minnesota should be disqualifying. She. should be out of the job. And uh I mean. really it's just it's it's just. amateurish. It's terrible. It's making. the president look bad on policies that. he won on. He won on a strong message. about immigration. And now nobody's. talking about that. They're not talking. about securing the border. They're. talking about the incompetence of the. leader of the homeland security and and. the other people. Deino, whatever his. name is, he needs to go back to.

California, get his retirement papers, and go. These people are amateurs. They. got to deescalate there and treat these. communities with some respect. >> Marowski and Tillis are the first. Republicans to join hundreds of. Democrats in calling for Gnome's. impeachment. And the reason why isn't. just the fact that she oversees ICE as. the DHS secretary and ICE can't seem to. stop murdering people on the streets. It's also her sociopathic response to. these killings. >> This individual showed up to impede a. law enforcement operation and assaulted.

our officers. They responded according. to their training um and took action to. defend the officer's life and those of. the public around him. And uh I don't. know of any peaceful protester that. shows up with a gun and ammunition. rather than a sign. This is a violent. riot when you have someone showing up. with weapons um and are using them to. assault law enforcement officers. >> I mean it it's Orwellian and she says it. without an ounce of shame. like she's.

truly dead inside that she could step up. to a podium after an innocent VA nurse. holding a phone gets murdered execution. style and she has the audacity to claim. that he was a threat. Especially given. the fact that we all saw the video. If. you believe what Christine is saying. there, you either do not have functional. eyes or you're so steeped in partisan. hackery that you've taken up residence. in Trump's colon. And of course, all of. this has led to a massive backlash. across the country. Ice is now a 7030. issue with 70% opposing it. I've seen a.

ton of non-political people in sports. and music, on TV, in the creator space, all speaking out, which has become. increasingly rare over the last few. years. And of course, because politics. is downstream of culture, that disgust. is finally registering in the halls of. Congress, even among Republicans. And as. Tom Tillis said, this is one of their. best issues. like immigration and border. enforcement should be a gimme, especially if you're a Republican. administration with full control of.

government in Congress. So to take that. advantage and turn it into your biggest. liability is almost impressive in terms. of a bungled response. And I think part. of it has to do with the fact that these. ICE killings seem scientifically. engineered to go against Republicans own. principles. You've got tyrannical secret. police, unaccountable to anybody, executing people in the streets. Like, I. seem to remember opposition to a big. tyrannical government being a pretty. dominant theme in Republican politics. for literally my entire life. You've got.

these Trump officials claiming that. having a legally concealed firearm. holstered on your person as a. justification to be executed, like I. didn't have these people trying to erase. the Second Amendment on my bingo card. And finally, it's just the blatant lying. that puts on full display the extent to. which this White House has utter. contempt for their supporters. Like. honestly, to see a video where Freddy is. holding a camera, his phone, gets pushed. by an ICE agent, ultimately tackled by.

six full-grown men, his holstered gun. taken away, and only after he's disarmed. does an ICE agent unload a clip into him. at point blank range. And to then be. told that the ICE agent is the victim. and that Prey is an assassin is just a. level of gaslighting that even the most. diehard Trump supporters would be. hardressed to defend. And they're not. Which is why Christine is now facing a. legitimate effort by Congress to be. ousted. So look, will it work? Nobody. ever lost money betting on the cowardice. of today's GOP. I do know that if she.

was a Democrat, if Christine was a. Democrat, and this was during a. Democratic administration, she'd have. been criminally indicted by now. But. what's clear is that the GOP is losing. on this issue. And the fact that we are. seeing a legitimate effort to impeach a. Trump administration official in a White. House where the number one rule is to. never surrender is evidence of a pretty. massive sea change. Which is to say, now. is not the time to be complacent. It is. the time to double down. Christine. should not be within 100 miles of the.

levers of power. And it's going to take. all of us putting pressure on every. Democratic official to keep the heat on. this issue and every Republican official. to join Marowski and Tillis and hold. Christine to account. Next up are my. interviews with Tim Walls, Keith. Ellison, Roana, and Robert Garcia. No. lie is brought to you by Ziotics. So, what is the one small shift I've. actually maintained this year? Reclaiming my mornings. I realized that. a night of fun shouldn't cost me an. entire day of productivity. So, my shift. is planning a balanced night out to. ensure a high quality morning after. I.

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so there's no risk. Subscriptions are. also available for maximum consistency. Remember to head to ziotics.com/btc. and use the code BTC at checkout for 15%. off. I'm joined now by the governor of. Minnesota, Tim Walls. Thanks so much for. joining me. Oh, >> thanks for having me, Brian. I. appreciate it. >> So, Governor, uh, Donald Trump just. announced yesterday that he had had a. conversation with you. Can you talk a. little bit about what that what took. place during that conversation? >> Yeah. Um certainly and again thanks for.

having us. Motans have been through it. but I think the the country has seen it. Um we're pretty resilient people and uh. I think it's pretty clear that the. president was having that conversation. because of the thousands of motans who. are on the street and because of the. murder of Renee and Alex. uh started out. with the president, you know, said that. we we got to we can't go on like this, which he characterized it that we're on. the same wavelength. If we were, it's. the agreement that this has got to stop. Now, I hope his end state is the same as. my end state, which is removing these.

ICE agents and border patrol in this. occupation of Minnesota, allowing us to. investigate the folks who uh potentially. I think a jury may find murdered um two. of my citizens. and then uh do border. enhancement according to law, border. security according to law. This has. nothing to do with that. So, it was a it. was a conversation where I articulated. what I needed. Look, I don't I'd like to. say that they got here because of the. moral outrage that many of us felt on. Saturday morning and then two weeks ago.

But I don't know, maybe they got there. because of politics, but I don't care as. long as they get there and get these. folks out of here and and quit this. assault. So I I would characterize it, you know, I had to try and correct some. facts that were incorrect, but at the. end of the day, I think a commitment to. they want out of this probably uh for. the politics of it. I want out of it. because of the moral outrage and the. damage to being done. >> And and and that's a little bit of what. I want to dig into here. There is there. is um obviously speculation that because.

this has turned into a 7030 issue. against Donald Trump where even you know. forget independents even Republicans are. coming out and vocally opposing uh. what's happening in Minnesota, what's. happening at the hands of ICE. Do you. think that Trump was just looking for. some off-ramp to basically get out of. there and and just retain some shred of. credibility on the issue of immigration? Yeah. And look, Brian, I think we all. know that how you deal with this. president is is somewhat uh delicate, if.

I don't know if that's the right word, that decisions are made on emotion. And. in this moment, look, I don't. >> I don't see any change yet. I will just. say I just met with Tom Holman and and I. would say that that did feel productive. Um you know, things that we need to see. happen and things that need to change. Um look, it is it's untenable for them. the country has woke up and I think. there's folks out there that we are. heartbroken, we're outraged, we're sad. Um, but I do think there what I felt.

going yesterday and and this morning so. far is a bit of optimism and and look, I. have a deep sense of pride that call. happened yesterday because people stood. on the streets in 40 below weather. Yeah. That call stood on the streets. because Alec PR's parents stood up and. said, "How dare you bismerch our son's. name and folks across the country did. that, too." So, look, I I I think it's a. combination that for them it it is a big. political problem. I would hope there's. still a few people over there that see.

how outrageous this is. It's how it goes. against the Constitution, goes against. just basic decency, and that it's in. both of our interest to get them out of. here. Uh, and I hope that's the case. But look, until it happens, and that's. what I told uh Tom Hullman. I said it, it's just words until it happens. And. there's a very narrow window here where. people in Minnesota and across the. country are going to give them the. benefit of the doubt to start course. correcting this thing. >> You know, you had mentioned um uh Alex.

Py's family. being being rightfully upset at what the. administration is saying about their. son. Can I have your reaction to to what. we heard at the hands of Christy Gnome. and JD Vance and Steven Miller and even. Donald Trump? This idea that they would. immediately come out and and not just. slander Alex Prey, but pre-clear the. officer, the ICE agent who actually. committed the crime of of killing this. guy while while he had no I mean and I. mean it's the same thing with Renee. Good, but just this idea. Yeah. I mean,

can I can I just have your general. reaction to to kind of the Orwellian. rhetoric that's coming out of this. administration? Yeah, and it is. And. look, I I'm trying to manage this, you. know, and you try and if the term is be. a statesman or whatever, but I I'm ready. to barfight on that because this is. outrageous to be smurchched these. people's names and and to talk to a set. of parents or talk to a spouse who at. simultaneously is receiving news within. hours their loved one is brutally. murdered in front of the world and then. have the most powerful people in the.

world tell lies about someone in both. cases who have tried to live exemplary. lives as good neighbors. It is it is. this moral injury that is happening to. this country that the minute they get. out of here, but it it's this type of. thing. It's the little Liam in his. little hat and his Spider-Man backpack. It's every single person in Minnesota. has now seen a car abandoned. It It's. like a hellscape of abandoned cars with. their door open or the window broke and.

the uh you know their seat belt cut. It. it it's traumatizing on so many levels. and it is accomplishing nothing. And. again, I remind your folks who are out. there listening, Minnesota ranks as one. of the 10 states with the safest. streets, the lowest numbers of violent. crime. We are 28th in the number of. undocumented folks that are living here. The vast majority of those folks are. without criminal history. They simply. have a civil uh case against. immigration. Many of them trying to go.

through the process. So, look, we know. what this is. is this is about an. intimidation. It's about an invasion. It's coupled with they're freezing our. money. They're taking our money from our. SNAP programs. Hell, they decided while. they were at it, why don't we just. extort them for their voter files? Um, they just threw it all at the wall. And. and I think for me, when it comes back. to the human side of it, to listen to. Michael and Susan, Alex's parents in. grief, [clears throat] but asking me, they said, "Whenever you get on an. interview, can you tell the positive.

stories about Alex?" I went and met with. his co-workers yesterday. ICU nurses at. the VA might possibly be as a group the. toughest people you will ever find and. the most selfish people. That group is. devastating. The idea that their. coworker and somebody who was a leader. in that office um like they said and. they they said when they watched the. video they saw it. I mean think of that. horror but they said the minute that. that woman got pushed they said Alex had. no other choice but go to her. That was.

exactly what he was going to do. And so. I I just want to send out thanks to the. rest of the country, but I I don't know. if I have words or the capacity in. language to tell you just how. traumatizing this is. This this this. feels like it feels like an invasion and. and they came here. all kitted up like they're in. Afghanistan, >> right, >> against US citizens. And the minute that. all these competitions, you saw it at. this the Whipple Federal Building here,

um, one of the things we did is we took. over the state of Minnesota and I had. the National Guard folks I served with. when I was in the Guard and instead of. seeing tear gas and fighting and. screaming, you saw National Guard folks. with their name on their uniforms, no. mask, handing out hot chocolate, coffee, and donuts um, to people up there. And. now we got a request from the protesters. up there if they can bring food for the. National Guard. um this is the way it. should be done. We have a job. We're. going to protect their right to protest. If they throw anything or if they try.

and do anything that is, you know, uh. against the law, of course, we will. enforce that. But standing there doing. what Alex was doing, what Renee was. doing, that's their right and we'll. protect it. you'd mentioned um that extortion. attempt by Pam Bondi where so you you. have all of these ICE agents come in, you have them incite all this violence, you have them murder American citizens. uh and then try to hide their identities. and and you have the administration. doing their bidding by pre-claring all. of these people. Is there some sense.

that we're seeing mob boss tactics at. play here where you know the people who. are responsible for the violence say, "Oh, we sure do wish this violence would. go away. I think I have a way that we. can do that. If only you're you were to. uh confer some political concessions on. to me. I think we can I think we can. help each other out. >> Pretty hard for me to see it any other. way and and the reason for being here. has changed numerous times of why. they're here. And again, this false. narrative on this motans understand we.

need to have borders. Motans need to. understand that if you commit crimes. here that you may, you know, you may. need to be deported back. But motans. also recognize there's folks that made. arterous journeys to get here to try and. put their children into school in little. Spider-Man backpacks while they're. working their job. And that we. understand that the reason that so many. of these people are in this, you know, hellish state of limbo is because. Republicans refuse to do comprehensive. immigration reform and get more judges. to adjudicate asylum claims that don't.

take seven years. They should take 90. days. So yeah, I mean coming down with. that and and look, President, the one. thing is he usually tells you, I'll give. him that. He says he won here three. times and that the elections were rigged. every time he ran. He did not. He lost. here three times. And I have a hard time. not thinking that maybe that's the. actual real answer here. And and he he. personally despises me. Um which, you. know, I said, I'll take myself out of. this. I won't run. Just leave us alone.

But yeah, this is this is what they're. doing. And and people feel it. And. here's the good news. I I think there's. a lot of folks in America who are losing. faith. And I you know, I get the Obi-Wan. speech that makes its way around as the. republic has fallen. And you know, the. republic has not fallen and they've made. their stand here in Minnesota and. they're leaving. Uh Greg Bavano is out. of Minnesota. Motans are still here. standing firm. If they don't make. further changes, we'll still be. standing. And I made a note of this, Brian. special election here today. Just.

couple of house districts or whatever. Minnesota is known for a lot of things. One of the things is is our safe, secure. elections. We are either in every. election either number one or number two. with voter turnout. I'll go ahead and. make a prediction right now. You are not. going to see anything like the number of. people who vote in November. And I got. to tell you, there's there's people. around Donald Trump, at least a few of. them must recognize it, said we are. going to get our asses handed to us in. November. And so, look, however you need. to change course on this, I I wished you. were good human beings and changed.

because of the moral outrage, but go. ahead and change course based on the. election, that's fine by me. Just get. get out of here and leave us to our. work. >> So, I I I understand um I understand the. the desire to want to like move past. this, but I think also it's going to be. important to see some accountability for. the people who have committed these. crimes. And and I I I use that term. advisedly. I mean, when you have these. ICE agents who've shot unarmed. protesters, uh, like execution style in. the streets, there's really no other way.

to cut it. Um, obviously DHS is doing. everything in its power, uh, to make. sure that no investigation and certainly. no prosecution takes place, and that. includes withholding evidence uh, from. the BCA, from state investigators out. there in Minnesota. And so, can you talk. about your commitment to making sure. that that even if Trump's Department of. Justice uh doesn't move forward with any. any investigation or any legitimate. investigation that state investigators. are going to take this seriously and. pick up where the DOJ is leaving off?

>> Oh, we absolutely will. That is an. absolute uh commitment to to those. families. It's a commitment to people. Minnesota and people commitment to. America. I mean, it's an outrage and and. you described it pretty well, Brian. But. keep in mind, too, that after what they. did with Renee Good and and took the. evidence, didn't investigate, cut us. out. Never happened before. Highly. unusual. We were prepared this time and. we were already the minute that this. happened. We went to a court and we got. a judicial warrant to be on that site. and they disregarded the judicial. warrant. So, look, I told Tom Holman.

today that there's several things he had. to do. He has to reduce his force and he. has to allow us to be part of this. investigation. Look, I don't know. I. don't know where the investigation will. take it because unlike Christy Gnome, JD. Vance, Donald Trump, and the rest of. them, I did not pass for our judgment. But if we do an investigation and an. indictment is warranted, these ICE. officers are coming back to Minnesota. and stand trial for what they're held. for. And and that could range from many. things, but I think a lot of people saw. what they saw with their eyes, and they. know that that looked like murder to.

them. So, yes. And and I would go one. step further. That part is going to be. critical. And like you said about this. moving on, I don't want these ICE agents. to move to Maine. I don't want them to. move to Philly. Well, they'll find out. if they move to either one of those. places that they'll find resistance they. found here. But I don't want them to do. that. I think there's a broader. conversation here of the moral damage. and the real damage that the. administration has done in just one year. when this thing is over at whatever time. that is. I I think we're going to need. nationwide, you know, truth and.

reconciliation on this because of them. tearing us apart. They made us the. enemies. They made us the enemies. They. They brought federal charges against me. for having the audacity to tell people. to express their first amendment rights. They've done that to try and stifle. people. For God's sakes, they tried to. bring they're they're trying to do an. investigation on the wife of of Renee. Good. It is a moral outrage. And just to. leave here, it's not all going to get. better. And that's what they need to. know. And look, I I'll go ahead and make. this prediction. the damage they've done.

to their political, you know, and to. Republicans political uh future is. already cast. I think Americans, every. one of those people who stood in 40°ree. weather, the tens of thousands who stood. in minus 40°ree weather, you can be. pretty sure they'll be in a warm voting. booth come November casting their. ballots. So, look, this is coming down. on them. But I'm under no illusion that. that we are anywhere close to this being. done, both for Minnesota and for the. country. And so I just encourage people.

to stay stay out there. We expect. justice. We expect them to follow the. rule of law. Those things are not. happening right now. >> Perfect place to leave off. We'll leave. it there. Governor Walls, I appreciate. the time. >> Thank you. >> I'm joined now by the attorney general. of Minnesota, Keith Ellison. Thanks so. much for joining me. >> Thanks, Brian. Glad to be with you. >> So, we've just witnessed two. high-profile killings now in. Minneapolis. This is Renee Good and Alex. Prey. We've also seen that the. Department of Homeland Security seems. hellbent on making sure that state. investigators don't get access to any of.

the evidence, any of the crime scenes, and on and on. How confident are you, or. can you offer some commitment here that. state investigators will in fact be able. to investigate what's gone on despite. the best efforts of DHS to prevent that? We will do every single thing we can and. we are doing every single thing we can. to do a full complete investigation. And. that includes going to court last. Saturday and yesterday to get a court. order to preserve, protect, and prohibit.

from alteration uh any evidence secured. at the Prey crime scene. We're also. moving out and I can't go into detail, Brian, but I can tell you that we are. moving to obtain more evidence in the. possession of the federal government and. uh that they have no legitimate basis to. state that they're not investigating the. death of Renee Good and then refuse us. access to the evidence. There's no. legitimate position that that could.

justify that that behavior that speaks. to cover up. And in the United States, when somebody's is killed, uh use of. force, death investigation, it's normal, natural, and regular for there to be a. joint investigation and for the federal. government uh at the Department of. Justice, civil rights to do the. investigation along with state. authorities. They've refused to do that. Todd Blanch has said there will be no. investigation. So, how now can they say. they're going to deny us access to that.

information? So, I can assure you there. is nothing that can deter us from. getting to the bottom of this and. getting to the truth. >> You know, there were a number of. officials in the Department of Justice. at the US Attorney's Office in Minnesota. who left the job in the aftermath of. DHS's refusal to investigate uh uh. Jonathan Ross, the ICE agent who killed. Renee Good. Is there any cooperation. with these folks who are now out of the. DOJ? Is there any effort to bring them. in to to to the BCA or or or or or into,

you know, any state office that's. investigating this so that they can. still use um some of the uh the. knowledge that they have? Um and and. obviously these are folks who were. looking to take a righteous of enough. stand that they weren't willing to sit. back while the DOJ was engaged in a. coverup. So clearly they have some some. willingness to want to do good work. They just weren't going to be able to do. it at the DOJ. Well, let me tell you, I. mean, these are all very talented. people. I mean, to get a to even work at. the DOJ, you know, generally we expect.

that folks who are there, it's it's a. pretty prestigious place to work. And. so, there's a lot of talent there. Whether or not they'll be integrated. into uh what what what their next move. is, I I can't tell you right now. I can. tell you that when Trump started, there. was a exodus then and we ended up hiring. four people from Department of Justice. Uh, and we're very pleased that they're. with us right now. I've counted a number. about as many as 10 people who have quit.

in connection with the failure to act. responsibly in the Renee Good matter. Where these people land, I don't know. But I can tell you they're gifted, talented, and you and I can see they got. some integrity. in terms of the ability for state. investigators to continue with the with. a potential prosecution even though. they're not getting any access to any. evidence. I mean, if you were to bring. any information to a grand jury in the.

state of Minnesota, the bar, if I'm not. mistaken, is is for to secure a grand. jury indictment is uh is probable cause. Is that correct? >> That is right. >> I mean, you've already got that with the. public videos that are available. So. even if even if DHS isn't giving you. access to any of the evidence at the. crime scene, I mean, we've seen publicly. available videos that are certainly. certainly exceed that threshold. And so. is there going to still be an effort. even with the the evidence that we have. publicly available to secure um you know.

to move forward with investigations and. possible prosecutions, you know, given. what we've got access to already? Well, Brian, I wouldn't agree that a. videotape makes for a a prosecution. I. mean, I prosecuted the people who killed. George Floyd. And I knew based on my 36. years of being a lawyer that you. couldn't just push play and win. It. doesn't work like that. And and if. you're not a lawyer and you haven't. never tried a case, you may not quite.

understand all the tricks that the. defense council can can pull. And and. they're not tricks. It's the due. process. Okay. But but I would say it's. a it's I would not agree that it's just. some easy thing, easily done, push play. button, you win. That's not true. And. and so I'm I get a little nervous when I. hear people say that because it's like, oh, your job is nothing and you don't. really have this is enormously difficult. work to do and it's going to and and if. you really want to if you want to just.

not do more than just get an indictment. or or or a charge and you actually want. to convict somebody, you got to give us. the room to work and saying that, oh, this is easy. This is nothing. Just, you. know, just just use the video. We're going to use the video. And I also. want to correct one other thing which is. that we do have evidence other than I. mean it's not like we don't have any. evidence. We have a whole portal that. that that the Henipe County Attorney is. open and that the attorney general is.

open and we are getting critical. evidence from the public every day and. the BCA is cataloging and uh documenting. and storing evidence all the time and we. may yet get the cooperation from the. feds that we need. We don't know. We're. not going to foreclose the possibility. But what I don't want to but I wanted to. say is that one this is not easy. Two, it is worth doing right the first time. Three, however you feel when there's an.

indictment or a charge if we get there. And as a prosecutor, I have to put it. like that. Okay. You will be much happier if we convict. the person. >> Yeah. >> And so let's stay in the long game. I'm. telling you, from the moment that George. Floyd was killed till the time that we. got the conviction was not an overnight. thing. >> Yeah. >> But it but but I think everybody in. retrospect would say it was worth. getting it right. So what I'm saying is. that when it comes to pretty and good,

no one has ever accused me of being. afraid or reluctant to pursue justice. And I'm absolutely going to do that. And. I'm going to do it with the partnership. of the Henipin County Attorney's Office, Mary Morardi, and with the help of the. Minnesota Bureau of Criminal. Apprehension, and I hope uh with the. help one day of uh people in the FBI, should they change course. >> Have you had conversations with. Christine Gnome or or Pam Bondi or.

anybody in in the DOJ or DHS or um or. ICE? No. you know, since this is since. this has taken place, since they've kind. of st uh stonewalled you, >> you know, well, let me tell you, one. time I talked to J JD Vance one time. I've called Pam Bondi twice and didn't. get a call back. And I've called the. local US attorney appointed by Trump and. have received no return call. So, uh, that's about it. Do you think that the Trump. administration right now is engaged in a.

cover up to protect their ICE officers. who they've already publicly pre. preclared? >> I would say that that is a very. reasonable conclusion to come to when. you see the president, the vice. president, and Christy Gnome all saying, "Oh, you know, these these victims of. shooting deaths, right? these these. victims that they were the domestic. terrorists that they and and exonerating. the people who shot and killed them. I.

think that that is and then when you do. that, you say you're not going to. investigate the Renee Good matter and. then you preclude the state from having. access to certain items of evidence, not. all, certain items of they've precluded. us from any evidence they have, but that. doesn't mean they've precluded us from. all the evidence. So yeah, I think that. amounts to a cover up. And if they don't. like me saying cover up, prove me wrong. >> Yeah. >> Open open up the file. Uh and and let's. have a joint investigation.

I've spoken uh I've spoken to folks who. have raised the prospect of the public. officials right now who are and you know. pre-claring these ICE agents who are. coming out and saying and offering bogus. justifications for this shooting saying. um that that the victims here were. domestic terrorists that they that they. were you know charging these ICE. officers that they were brandishing. weapons all of the lies that we've seen. thus far. I I've heard I've heard folks. say that that accessory after the fact.

is a possibility because these people. are publicly not only verbally. pre-claring all of the the the the. perpetrators of these crimes but. refusing investigations even though they. have the ability to do so. Can you speak. on the prospect of, you know, once these. people are out of office, uh, the. prospect of accessory after the fact for. the people at the top of the DOJ, at the. top of the Trump administration who are. engaged in this process of of, you know,

uh, uh, obuscating the facts? >> Well, let me just say this. I've charged. that charge in the state of Minnesota. before. and um I will say that uh anyone who is. obstructed or assisted in the assisted a. person who committed a felony offense. uh should should should stand and face. you know judgment for what they did. Uh. I now in the in this particular matter,

it's just not right for a prosecutor to. say I'm going to charge that person, right? So I'm not going to do that. But. what I will say is that the the conduct. is is concerning to me as a as just a. citizen of Minnesota in the United. States. And nobody should think that. their crimes are going to simply be. forgotten later. Now, one thing I would. not do and would never do and I think is. disgusting and loathome is to use the.

criminal justice system to get after a. political opponent. But when somebody. breaks the law and it's clear, I think. they should be held accountable for. uh accessory after the fact or whatever. it is. Greg Bovino had come out. yesterday and uh and spoke about the. fact that they're not releasing any. information about the ICE agent who. committed the crime of killing Alex. Prey. >> Imagine that.

>> And and and basically likened it to. doxing, which of course, you know, these. are public officials. I remember a world. where we can actually see these people's. faces. Uh and of course that world is. long gone. But can you can I have your. reaction to this idea that any effort to. to allow people to know who this public. official was is tantamount to doxing? >> That is that is horse uh crap. It's just. a lie. >> Yeah. I mean, look, police officers, state troopers, national guardsmen, all.

types of law enforcement, sheriff's. deputies, they walk around with not not just their. face uncovered, but badge numbers and. name plates, >> right? >> And on the side of their vehicles, you. know, the what a what department they're. from. >> Now, why do they do that? It's an. important part of what we call. procedural justice. You're more likely to comply with law. enforcement if you consider law.

enforcement legitimate. So, I may not think I was speeding and. officer, you may think I was, but. because I know who you are. I see your. face. I see the insignia on your car and. you've written me this ticket. I had the. prerogative of showing up and telling. the judge, well, I don't think I really. was speeding, but I'm not gonna like run. from the officer or anything like that. because I know that this is normal. This. is the processes of the state. I'm not, you know, this is this is how justice is.

done. This is how public safety is. achieved. And so, when you don't want to. do that, you're suspect straight up. When you don't want to say what your. name is, where you're from, the agency, when you don't want to show your face, you're trying to hide something. What. are you trying to hide? Well, in case of. Operation Metro Surge and all the. behavior of these ICE and border agents, bad illegal conduct, >> everything I mean everything from.

misdemeanors. to to to [clears throat]. arguably homicide related charges. And. so that's what this masking is. This. masking is is is is the tactic of. authoritarianism. The masking is 180. degrees away from legitimate. constitutional law enforcement. And you. can't get a law enforcement officer on. this show who does who is who is trained. and is professional and has gone through.

the rigor of doing constitutional. policing to say that that's okay. They. all will say, "No, we don't do that.". And so they they actually ICE and border. agents are a stain on the good name of. law enforcement who tries to do a good. job every day. And and and so I that's. what I have to say about it. It is. deeply disturbing that they're wearing. these masks and that they cover up their. identity and they're also an open.

invitation to kidnappers. >> Right. Right. And and we've seen we've. seen that play out, by the way. We've. seen people posing as ICE agents because. now it's become the norm that these. people just show up in masks without. having to identify themselves. And and. and we've become accustomed to this idea. that that's how law enforcement works in. the Trump administration. >> Well, it's it's and and so and then you. got Christy Gnome. and Boying. to the American [laughter] people. I.

mean, just say, "Oh, he attacked uh the. pretty attacked the agent." That's. clearly not true. I mean I mean there. just so many things that are manifestly. just ridiculously absurdly untrue. And. but they say it they they must know that. they're lying straight to the face of. the American people. So why are they. doing it? I think it is if you go along. with my lie, you're a good loyal. maggite. If you don't go along with my. lie, you're a sympathizer for, I don't.

know, domestic terrorists or something, right? >> You know what I mean? It it is a a. Orwellian. uh sort of uh worldview that these. people are perpetuating by openly lying. to us and telling us uh what we know. isn't true. It It's not just dishonesty. And it might not even be proper to call. it lying because maybe it is maybe it's. something else. Maybe it's something. like it's, you know, like like.

disinformation, a loyalty test of some. kind. >> I don't know. >> Think about it. >> Last question here. How concerned are. you that when we see these these surges. of violence as we just saw with, you. know, the ICE killing of Renee Good and. then Alex Prey. >> that this is all just a pretext for. Trump to be able to say, "Look at all. this violence. We have to send more. troops in or in fact, we have to invoke. the insurrection act here.". >> Right. Well, I'm very concerned about it. Um, they provoked the violence and then.

justify the insurrection act based on. that violence that they provoked. >> Yeah. >> It's really, really, really remarkable. and crazy. They have no basis for the. invocation of this insurrection act. It's not true. Local authorities, though. taxed, are certainly in control. We've. had I mean, our our our local officers. deal with protesting all the time. It's. nothing new. I mean, you we deal with. crowd control all the time. That's. nothing new. And so, uh, but so I do.

think it is a pretext, but I think. there's another pretext going on here. And I, and I bet Brian, you you might. agree with me on this one. I think that. ICE is not really really intended to. deal with immigration enforcement. I. think their job is bigger than that. I. think they are a paramilitary force who. operates at the behest of one person and. it ain't Greg Bravino. It is Donald J. Trump. Unlike local police who are loyal.

and and connected to local communities. who have chiefs and sheriffs and. deputies that they have to answer to who. are subject to processes. these ICE. agents me masked get you know of of. course they're like a ptorian guard. they're like a paramilitary ptorian that. the president could deploy anywhere he. wants on anybody he wants and so our. lawsuit our civil lawsuit against uh. Christy Nome and ICE that we argued on.

Monday morning of the 26th of January. basically we were this whole thing says. We're saying that look under the 10th. amendment we're a sovereign state. We. don't have to do the business of the. federal government. They can't. commandeer the resources of our state. And so what the federal government under. Trump seems to be saying, "Oh yeah, you. say that you don't have to do what we. say? Well, what if we go from 80 ICE.

agents to 4,000 and we raise hell in. your state? Do you think you might want. to comply with us then? And my thought, Brian, is that, you know, if if if Trump. couldn't do it with a executive order, how could he do it with 4,000 masked. armed men? I mean, it's really. remarkable. If we believe in state. sovereignty. and dual sovereignty with the state and. the federal government and the federal.

government through Congress or the state. leg or or the through the Congress or. the president cannot issue an executive. order or a law that commandeers the. resources of our state, how can they do. it by flooding our state with armed men? >> Yeah. >> I mean, it's literally at the barrel of. a gun that they're trying to get things. that they could never get through a. courtroom. Yep. >> So, we stand against it and we're going. to fight. And I got to I hope it's okay. to tell you that, man. I really admire. you and your show. You're doing a good. job out here, man. You're so good at.

this law stuff that I thought you were a. lawyer. And you're still a young man. You might want to go to law school, brother, cuz you could probably help a. lot of people doing that, too. >> Well, we'll leave it there. Attorney. General Keith Ellison, thank you so much. for the time. Thanks for uh thanks for. the fight you're uh you're waging here. I appreciate it. >> Keep it up, Brian. Thanks. >> I'm joined now by Congressman Roana. Thanks for joining me. Thank you, Brian. >> So, Congressman, I wanted to have you on. because you put together a really. effective, in my opinion, list of things. that we can do to hold ICE accountable. to push back against the overreach that.

we're seeing right now in at the hands. of this rogue, lawless secret police. agency. So can you talk a little bit. about some of the the things that we. might be able to do right now to hold. ICE to account um as you know in the. position that we're in right now which. is from the minority and then moving. forward. people are horrified by the state. execution of an American but they want. more than tweets and Instagram videos. and social media posts. They want a plan. of action. So I'm going to be.

introducing a bill that I hope can unify. Democrats. It'll have three uh core. points to it. First, let's make sure. that we are not funding uh ICE uh in. terms of the shutdown bill. Second, let's repeal the $75 billion in. multi-year ICE funding. And third, let's. end qualified immunity for these ICE. agents and uh make sure that we're. actually prosecuting ICE agents who. break the law and hauling them in front.

of Congress. Now, it's going to have 10. total, but those are the three core. themes. >> So, I want to talk about the the um the. likelihood of any of these things. passing given the fact that look, right. now uh Democrats are in the minority. But even if Democrats are in the. majority, they still have to contend. with the with the prospect of a veto by. Trump. And so, is there any way for. Congress to actually get these things. done given the fact that we can't go. through regular course of order with. Trump at the top of the food chain? Well, first of all, we need to see.

Congress act, right? I mean, the. Republicans when they were in the. minority every day would introduce or. try to introduce legislation to repeal. Obamacare. So, the fact that we may not. be in power doesn't mean that we go to. sleep. We should be on the floor. introducing what the legislation would. be if we were in the majority. Second, there are Republicans who have emailed. me, who I've worked with on the Epstein. matter, who are concerned about. government overreach. They're concerned. frankly from a second amendment uh. perspective because the uh person was.

carrying a a handgun but which was legal. and uh you know they certainly don't. want a precedent of the federal. government overreaching and killing. people with guns. So I do think like we. did with the Epstein files we can find. unique coalitions to move forward. But. what I was saying with that agenda is. let's get to work on it. Let's be. introducing legislation every day. holding hearings every day. uh making. sure that we are trying the discharge. petitions, making sure we're trying. coalitions, showing up for field. hearings like the progressive caucus did.

in Minnesota, not just, oh well, we're. not in charge. Let's wait till 26 or 28. No, what are we doing now? >> In terms of DHS funding, obviously the. bill eaked out of the House, but now in. the Senate, Chuck Schumer came out and. said that basically Senate Democrats are. not going to be a party to passing any. budget that includes this DHS funding. And so, do you have any degree of. confidence that there will be enough. Republicans who see the abuses at the. hands of these ICE agents and say, you. know what, I think this is this is a.

hill that we're not worth that we're not. willing to die on, so let's relent here. I think there may, but if the Democrats, of course, stay unified, then uh they. can't pass it because this is not. reconciliation. They need 60 votes. So, I'm glad there's a line even for Schumer. that seeing the state execution of. Americans as too much. uh and you know. and that we're going to hold together. I. mean, look, Bill Clinton, whose politics. are much more centrist than mine. I. mean, his statement saying he's. concerned for this country. He doesn't.

know what's happening in this country. Could not have imagined that you'd have. state government officials shooting. American citizens. It is horrifying. >> Yeah. I mean, just literally executing. them in the street. And then and then on. top of that, to your point that you made. before, to to lean on this excuse that, oh, well, they were armed. this is. Republicans saying that somebody being. armed as a pretext to be able to just. serve as judge, jury, and executioner. and and and kill them in the street. Um, you know, two of the other things that. you had spoken about that I want to talk.

about here. One is the idea of. impeaching Gnome and Pam Bondi. Obviously, Christine Gnome continues. even in the face of all of this to go. out and just lie brazenly and claim that. that the um claim that the uh um that. the victim here was a domestic terrorist. with with no basis to do so, no um no. evidence to claim that. Uh you have Pam. Bondi doing the exact same thing. Is. there an appetite among your Republican. colleagues uh to actually move forward. with some type of impeachment?

>> With Pam Bondi, absolutely. Yes. Uh and. that stems in part from the Epstein. files. I mean she has uh covered up with. the Epstein files. There is a lot of. Republican discontent. Massie and I uh. have been talking about impeaching her. or doing inherent contempt and we will. be moving forward in the next couple. weeks as we're gathering more. Republicans and and that there's a. through line here, right? the elite. impunity between Epstein and the elite. impunity between pardons for political. contributions and the elite impunity.

allowing ICE agents to kill American. citizens without investigating. prosecuting them. It's just an. administration that lies and doesn't. have accountability with Gnome. Again, more le less uh uh support than maybe. Pam Bondi, which has been in the in the. culture for weeks. But now I'm starting. to hear from some of the same. Republicans are working with me on. Epstein and on Bandi that uh she has. engaged in government overreach, especially on this issue of the Second. Amendment. They don't want a president.

of an attorney general or a Department. of Homeland Security giving instructions. to shoot people just because they have. arms. Uh, and I do think that this could. be a dividing line uh where they see the. the ICE thing less from an immigration. perspective and more from a government. overreach perspective and a violation of. freedom. So, I I think those are two. realistic impeachments that we should. pursue uh starting next week. Um, one of the other thing that I that I.

had um that I thought was especially. interesting in your list was the idea of. investigating and prosecuting every ICE. agent who broke the law. Obviously, we. saw Jonathan Ross who executed Renee. Good just uh about a week ago. And now. we have this latest ICE agent who. executed uh uh Alex Prey um also in. Minnesota. And yet the reality is that. we already know DHS is not allowing the. BCA, state investigators in Minnesota, to have access to the crime scene. They. want to to have retain full jurisdiction.

so that state investigators don't get to. do any prosecution at the state level. And and that's for the express purpose. that Pam Bondi and the rest of the law. enforcement officials at DOJ have. already pre-clared um any ICE agents and. have decided that they can act with. impunity so long as they're politically. aligned with Trump. And so and so how. much confidence do you have that we are. going to see some accountability given. the fact that without even engaging in a. modicum of investigation we have Pam. Bondi JD Vance Donald Trump any other.

Trump administration official who's. already decided by fiat that anything. these ICE agents do is completely. justified and in fact the victims are. somehow the perpetrators. >> I have no confidence. First of all, JD. Vance doesn't understand the law. He's. talking about absolute immunity for ICE. officers. ICE officers don't have. absolute immunity. There's no immunity. from criminal prosecution. They have. qualified immunity, meaning Renee Good. or Petri's uh families can't sue the ICE. officer civily. And I'm saying we should. eliminate that qualified immunity, but.

they have no immunity from criminal. prosecution. JD Vance just literally. made that up. And he made that up. because that's this administration's. policy. You literally can have the. government use force against an American. citizen, use violence against an. American citizen. and they believe. there's no accountability. I mean, that. is the definition of authoritarianism, that you that a citizen does not have. rights against the state's use of force. It's such a horrific thing that uh. Justice Department civil rights. attorneys that I know are resigning. Six.

of them resigned because there's no. investigation into the killer of Renee. Good. And my view is that we need to. make it very clear that when we take. back the Congress, these people will be. hauled in front of the oversight. committee. When we take back the White. House, these people will be prosecuted. But we need to make a list, keep a list. of everyone who's been violating the law. under the Trump administration. Whether. those are people who are killing. boatsmen in Venezuela, whether they're.

people who dismantle agencies that. killed people in Africa, whether it's. people who have engaged in illegal. conduct in ICE, and they all need to be. held accountable and investigated and. prosecuted, not out of retribution, but. out of a sense of justice because. without justice, you cannot have. reconciliation. Without a sense of. affirming the rule of law, this country. cannot move forward. So, I'm not one of. those people who thinks kumbaya, let's. move forward. all is forgiven. I think. we need to make make it clear that. there's going to be consequences when we.

have the Congress and the White House. And one more point, Brian, on that, that's going to also provide a counter. incentive in the next 3 years for them. not to act with impunity because they. know they would go to jail when uh the. new administration comes into town. And. I'm so glad that you said that because. you know the the last time that we were. in kind of an analogous situation which. is Joe Biden takes over, Merrick Garland. take over in the aftermath of Trump. trying to overturn an election and we. have a DOJ that's so focused on. preventing the optics of politicization.

that they don't touch Donald Trump for. two years. Finally, they dain to appoint. a special counsel 2 years in to Joe. Biden's term, giving Trump enough time. to basically, you know, delay his way. out of these charges, wins the. presidency, and now the first thing. Trump does is basically absolve anybody. who committed crimes in his name and. just and legalize crime so long as you. do it on behalf of Donald Trump. But the. only reason that he felt emboldened. enough to do that, the only reason that. we're seeing any of these people act in.

such a way that there's no as if there's. no consequences is because when. Democrats have had power in the past, they refuse to wield it. And when we. have the opportunity to hold people to. account for having committed crimes, uh. we are so focused on not wanting to seem. political that in effect we just allow. them to run rough shot over democracy. and and relegate Democrats to like. non-existent status in the United. States. And so it's just so. self-defeating on on the Democrat side. and then just more broadly as far as.

democracy is concerned. You can't have a. functioning democracy if one side is. allowed to is allowed to, you know, just. completely ignore the rules and for whom. the law doesn't even apply. >> Well, that's very well said, Brian. I. mean, we should never be exercising. power for retribution or power in an. unconstitutional way. But your point is. we've been reluctant to exercise power. for justice because of the political. optics because we're afraid of what. people will think. Well, that's wrong.

You can't just be so afraid about. political perception that you're not. willing to exercise power justly and and. and make sure people have. accountability. And this has been going. on for decades. Remember when the people. went who committed torture in Iraq and. got us into a war in Iraq with lies? They were never held accountable. What. about the bankers who created the great. recession and hollowed out the savings. of all Americans and home home owners? They were never help. No prosecutions of.

the bankers, right? You know, that's. such an important point because that is. in large part the mentality that Trump. exploited to win the presidency. I mean, this idea that there's two tiers of. justice, that you have a cabal of people. at the top who never get held. accountable, who can commit crimes with. impunity. and he and he basically um. leveraged the anger that Americans have. with that exact thing and used it to. propel himself into the White House. And. now he's just he's just basically. exacerbating that exact phenomenon. except for his own friends and his own.

political allies. It it's just it's just. the peak of hypocrisy. >> It is. That's what Epstein is all about, right? I mean, Epstein, you said, "I'm. going to go get Epstein. These people. who raped underage girls from. working-class families." No, no, I'm not. going to go after my friends. And uh now. he's partnering people who literally are. giving him political contributions. And. now he has allowed people to commit uh. crimes in his behalf and killing people. He's allowed people to dismantle. agencies that are killing people. And if. we just get in uh when we do and say,

"Okay, all is forgiven. Let's move on.". then the next Republican who once comes. into power is going to think, "Okay, I'm. just going to commit whatever crimes I. want." I mean, the reality is that we. need to learn that Merrick Garland is a. decent human being. Maybe he would have. been a fine justice. He was a terrible. attorney general and uh you know, we. should have had someone in that position. who is actually going to go after uh the. crimes. I mean, you know, I know Vice.

President Harris was, you know, did well. as vice president, but she would have. actually had the the the uh chops to go. after people as an attorney general. You. need someone who's aggressive and going. to actually fulfill the law, >> right? And and deter criminals from. committing crimes in the future. And. that's something that we don't have, which is why we have such an emboldened. uh MAGA Republican party right now. because, you know, why because why. wouldn't they? What Democrats have shown. them that there's some deterrent value. uh to doing anything that they're doing? I want to finish off with this. Um, we.

have seen the way in which ICE has. comported itself. Should I continue to. exist? Is it salvageable in any form? >> No. And that should be the answer across. the Democratic party. Absolutely not. It. has been corrupted. It has been tainted. It is an agency that is rogue, that is. killing American citizens. Tear it down. Uh, start a new agency that has. oversight. Look, you of course need. immigration enforcement. No one would. say you can't you should not enforce. immigration laws. Of course, you need a. secure border and have to enforce.

immigration laws. But we had the INS for. decades before we had ICE. And what has. happened with ICE is beyond redemption. I mean, they have hired people who have. no training, who are acting like goons, uh, and have militarized budgets, uh, and they have no oversight. And so the. Democrats need to be clearly for tearing. it down, replacing it with an agency. that actually works under justice for. human rights. And that's one of the. points I have in this resolution. Uh.

that we we should shouldn't be afraid of. it. I think this is the moment uh for a. realignment, for a bold agenda for the. the party. People are desperate for it. >> Perfectly put. We'll leave it there. Congressman, thank you so much as always. for the time and for your leadership on. these issues. >> Thank you, Brian. I'm joined now by the. ranking member of the House Oversight. Committee, Robert Garcia. Congressman, thanks for joining me. >> Sure thing. >> So, we've seen a number of abuses play. out uh as it relates to ICE. With. Christine Gnome in charge of the. Department of Homeland Security, what.

punishment, what's consequences should. she shoulder because she's in charge of. this agency? >> Well, she should be impeached. I mean, look, if if Christy Nom doesn't resign. or remove from office, that impeachment. procedure should start immediately. I'm. one of the the co-authors of the. impeachment resolution that's now in. front of uh the Congress. Uh there's no. question that she has gone above and. beyond the crimes, what she's done to. rip up our constitution, due process for.

US citizens, the way she's treating. people, the way that she and her agents. have now of course now are killing. Americans and people on the streets of. our country is not only shameful. It it. is it is it every American should be so. disturbed by the images they're seeing. now. and to have her and others come out. and say uh that everything that they're. the agents are doing is correct or. somehow that we shouldn't believe what. we're seeing. Uh obviously we're all all. of us are outraged by it and so she must.

be impeached and those those efforts are. underway and I know that oversight, judiciary, homeland security, those. three committees are going to be very. involved in that process. Can you talk a. little bit about the appetite among your. Republican colleagues because obviously. they're going to play a major role in. this if you know they have a majority in. the House and they're in charge of all. these committees. >> Look, some of the Republicans are. obviously starting to grow a little bit. of a spine. You're starting to see some. members of Congress actually ask for. independent investigations. Uh talk. about the shooting as it as it relates.

to needing additional information. So, look, there's there's something there. At the end of the day, I think most. Republicans in Congress, they are. committed. They bend the knee to Donald. Trump whenever he wants, but we have to. push that their majority is so slim that. we've got to push aggressively to get. this impeachment moving. And hopefully. we we just need a couple Republicans to. join us. We we've seen Republican. defections on issues that have become, you know, 7030 or 8020 issues before the.

Epstein file, discharge petition. happened because there was so much. public pressure to the point where. Marjorie Taylor Green, Lauren Boowbert, Nancy Mace, Thomas Massie, all signed on. to this effort and ultimately the the. law was passed out of the House and and. signed by Trump. Uh now we have another. issue that's become a 7030 issue with. the way that ICE is abusing their. position. you know, 70% of Americans. again do not approve of what we're. seeing right now at the hands of ICE. And so is does there still exist the. possibility that if we saw this come up. for a vote that the pressure would be.

great enough on even these few. Republicans who would who could defect. and make a majority that we can actually. see some movement on this issue. >> I mean, look, we're going to find out. I. I think there could be there are a lot. of Republicans that are running for. re-election in some in districts that. Kla Harris won, many others that are. trying to find their spine again and. trying to do the right thing. And. they're seeing Donald Trump and his. complete erratic behavior. Donald Trump. is losing his mind. I mean, he he can't. even put together coherent sentences. He.

can barely uh reach out to the American. public and explain what he's trying to. do on any given day. and now he's going. into American cities and turning ICE. into his own police force. And so. there's a lot of work ahead for us to. do. The impeachment proceedings need to. start immediately. To what extent do you. think uh were were you surprised to see. organizations like the NRA, Gun Owners. of America, former Bush officials who. were in charge of standing up the. Department of Homeland Security back in.

2002, all of these people kind of. coalescing into this one narrative that. they are vehemently opposed to to to uh. what the administration is saying right. now. Whether it's whether it's trying to. vilify uh Alex Prey for the crime of. holding a gun for which he had a. concealed carry permit and never even uh. never even held cuz he was holding his. phone all the way up to just again to. your exact point these these executions. at the hands of these ICE agencies. What. does it say that all of these even.

right-wing voices are coming out in. opposition to this? >> Yeah, it's been really great to actually. see some of these right-wing groups come. out. I mean, the fact that the NRA said. anything. >> Yeah. >> Uh, I think is a really important step. forward, but as important as some of. these right-wing groups have been, a lot. of these right-wing voices and leaders. online, I've seen folks that have. essentially always supported Trump. beginning now to say, "Hey, this is. wrong. What I doing is wrong. These are. US citizens. Why is ICE attacking folks. this way? Why are we losing our civil.

liberties?" The fact that DHS said that. he had a had a gun, that that has. nothing to do with the fact that he. wasn't using it. He he's allowed to. carry. People in this country are. allowed to carry and having a a gun that. is not a reason to just murder someone. because they are actually filming an an. incident that ICE an ICE operation. And. so I think a lot of folks right now are. finally beginning to see the terror of. this administration and the damage that. Donald Trump is doing to this country.

So, I hope those folks continue to be. loud and continue to voice their. opposition. >> You know, in the aftermath of the 2024. election, there was a lot of talk about. the damage that the Democratic brand had. sustained. Cut to we're now in January. of 2026. Uh today, the gubanatorial. candidate uh for the Republican party in. Minnesota dropped out because the brand. of the GOP is so toxic that he didn't. even think it was worth it to run as a. Republican in that state. And so can I.

have your reaction to kind of that that. switch that we're seeing right now at. the hands of a party that had you know. clear runway uh everything going for. them to the point where just you know a. year later they can't even run as. Republicans in certain states because. because the the what Trump has done to. that brand is so is so uh egregious. >> Well absolutely and let's look at the. the polling and the research. I mean. first Trump is historically unpopular. right now. Um he's never been this.

unpopular, not just with the American. public, but with his own base. >> Yeah. >> The MAGA brand is underwater completely. really um seeing these numbers and and. what's really interesting is he's not. just doing uh poorly in in traditional. areas like healthcare uh or even on the. Epstein files issue, but now on. immigration, he's underwater on what. used to be his signature issue where the. American public has turned on him on the. one issue where he had a lot of. strength. And so what you're also seeing. is Republicans across the country trying.

to distance themselves. But more. importantly, I think you're seeing. energy on the Democratic side. we have a. real shot not just of winning the House. but winning the Senate. If we can. somehow win the Senate, which will be. very hard, there's no question about it. But if we can win the Senate and the. House, we are on our way to then winning. the presidency in 28 and once and for. all putting MAGA.

away and a and as a as a horrific mark. in our history, reversing all of the. terror that Donald Trump has caused and. actually real agenda on day one that can. be implemented with both houses of. Congress because you're talking about. Alaska, which is looking way better. today than it did before you're talking. about states where Ohio is looking. better than it did before. We're going. to win states when we have to win states. like Michigan obviously and New. Hampshire. But look, there's an. opportunity for us in places like Texas.

And so we need to play in every single. state including Maine and there is an. actual shot here. It's an outside chance. but a real chance of the Senate as well. >> You know, I'm glad you spoke about uh. what we can do moving forward if we have. majorities. I I've spent a lot of time. thinking about um the ways in which. Trump kind of feels emboldened and. empowered uh to do, you know, to commit. these these criminal acts with impunity. and and I think that was in large part. due to the fact that there was no. deterrent effect for him back in 2024. I.

mean, he tried to overturn a free and. fair election. Merrick Garland didn't. even touch him for two years, and only. then did he dain to appoint a special. counsel, but so much time had elapsed. that he was able to effectively run out. the clock. And so I understand the. Democrats have to be focused on on. delivering, but I think that there's. also a lot of real damage and danger in. kind of advancing with an agenda where. we don't look to hold anybody to account. for any of the wrongdoing that they've.

committed because then they feel. emboldened to do it again. That's what. we're seeing right now. It's playing out. in real time. And so can you talk a. little bit about the accountability that. these folks have to shoulder so that in. the event Republicans win at some point. in the future, they don't proceed with. the abject lawlessness that we're seeing. right now because nothing bad ever. happens to them at the hands of feckless. Democrats. That's where the oversight. committee comes in. That's where a. strong attorney general that the next. president will hopefully be a Democrat. will will put in place. Look, I've said.

from day one that we cannot just move. on. We cannot just pretend that this. didn't happen. We can't just put. together this forward-looking agenda and. not actually then hold those that cause. harm accountable because we need to be. able to tell the next generation that. this period of time was led by a corrupt. administration and an administration. that harmed the American public that. should never happen again. And so. holding folks not just like not just the. Donald Trump himself and the family that.

is causing corruption across the world. but folks like Pam Bondi and Steven. Miller and Christine Gnome. These folks. have to be held accountable. They have. to be they have to be look at the. American public and the courts and. account for what they did. So that's why. the investigations and subpoenas and. holding folks in contempt and. impeachments are going to be really. critical in the months and certainly. when we have the majority.

>> Last uh last point I want to touch on. here is ICE salvageable? >> No, you have to abolish ICE. There's no. question. Look, this is not a an an. agency that can be reformed. It's not an. agency that we can somehow retrain. ICE. needs to be abolished and we need to. begin to rebuild real federal law. enforcement which we had in this country. before. I mean decades ago we actually. had there were functions that ICE. performed that other agencies used to. perform and now we have a par.

essentially a paramilitary force that's. only accountable to Donald Trump. >> Right. Uh we'll leave it there. Congressman, thanks so much for the. time. I appreciate it. >> Thank you. To listen to the audio. version of this episode, click the link. on the screen and make sure to subscribe. to my audio podcast. And of course, to. see more video content, that subscribe. button's on the screen as well. [music]. Before you go, if you enjoyed this. content and you want to see more and. support independent media, please. subscribe to this channel. The subscribe. button will be right here on the screen. But second, the reality is that we are.

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