🚨 Republicans lose ANOTHER election in DEEP RED race

Democrats snab another deep red district. in a deep red state as the overp. performances add up. And I've got two. interviews, Tommy Vtor and the co-host. of the QAnon Anonymous podcast. I'm. Brian Taylor Cohen and you're watching. No Lie. [music]. Some big news out of the deep red state. of Louisiana. Democrat Chastity Martinez. has won a state house seat in a district. that Trump won by 13 points and she did. it by 24 points. Meaning this is a 37. point overperformance. 37 points. This.

result comes just days after another. Democrat, Taylor Remmit, won a Texas. state Senate seat by 14 points in a. district Trump won by 17 points. Meaning. that was a 31point overperformance. And. by the way, I've done some math. Uh if. we see the overperformance that we just. saw in Louisiana across the country this. November, we would win every House seat. except for like 12 seats across the. country. Will that happen? No. But it's. nice to have goals. And look, when you. compare these races to the governor's.

races in New Jersey or Virginia a couple. months back, yes, we saw roughly 15. point swings from 2024, and that's. unequivocally good news. But those are. blue and purple seats. And elections of. course are cyclical in those kind of. states. Um, sometimes Republican voters. are more enthusiastic and they turn out. more and they win. Sometimes Democratic. voters are more enthusiastic and they. turn out more and they win. So, the. swings are a little less surprising, but. these races in Texas and Louisiana are. not that. We're talking deep red.

districts, districts that Donald Trump. won handily. In districts like this, you. cannot win unless you've got Republican. support. That means that not only are. Democrats turning out and voting for. Democratic candidates, but Republicans. and independents are defecting and. voting for Democratic candidates, too. And what's worse is that a lot of. Republican states have redrawn their. maps based on demographic realignments. in 2024 with this assumption that those. realignments would be permanent. But. Trump has lost 10 points with black.

voters. He's lost 20 points with Latino. voters. He's lost 40 points with Gen Z. voters according to the latest polling. And in fact, uh, in that Texas race, we. saw some jurisdictions within that. district uh, swing 50 points to the left. with Latino voters. So now suddenly maps. that were redrawn to guarantee victory. for Republicans in the midterms might. look a whole lot different come 2026. where the Republicans might have just. dummy themselves out of some seats. Now.

why is this happening? I've thought a. lot about how to best sum up the state. of affairs in this country. And put. succinctly, Trump promised America. first, right? He promised to take care. of forgotten Americans. promised to. lower costs and protect health care and. curb inflation and revive American. manufacturing and add jobs. He promised. to put the little guy first. All very, again, America first. And yet, since. he's been president, he engaged in a. trade war that sent the cost of. everything surging. He gutted health. care for Medicaid and the ACA. He cut.

food assistance. Inflation has gone from. 3% when he took office to basically 3%. right now. Manufacturing jobs continue. to disappear. Layoffs are at their. highest level in almost two decades. The. jobs numbers are so bad that virtually. no jobs have been added since April. All. of which seems bad. Seems like something. that Trump and Republicans would. probably fall over themselves to fix if. they cared. But where has their. attention been? It's been on sending a. rogue secret police force into our. cities where they can murder Americans.

with impunity. It's been on saber. rattling to annex our allies like. Greenland. has been on launching foreign. wars for oil so that our oil companies. can get richer. Has been on building. ballrooms and arches with Trump's name. on it. Encrusting the Oval Office in. gold, renovating the Rose Garden. It's. been on arresting and prosecuting. Trump's political enemies. Been on. trying to prove fraud in an election. that happened 6 years ago. And it's been. on covering up the most notorious. pedophile ring in the history of this. country. All of which helps Trump. Not.

you, not me, but Trump, his family, his. donors, and his friends. This isn't. America first, this is Trump first. And. the only thing worse than Trump using. the presidency to benefit himself is. watching the rest of the GOP, which by. the way has the ability to reign him in, opt instead to do nothing. Mike Johnson. and John Thun will never lift a finger. to assert their own autonomy. They will. never block his tariffs or stop the. self-enrichment or halt his new. construction projects. They are there to.

serve him. Not you, but him. This entire. party is there to serve him. They've got. full control of government. They could. have delivered all the relief that they. spent the whole campaign promising. Not. a single Democrat majority in sight. Republicans have got full control. And. instead, they allowed conditions for. regular Americans to get worse while. they enrich themselves. An entire. movement based on selfdealing, grifting, and corruption. Americans can see the. con that they've been sold. And frankly, they're tired of this Republican party,

this Epstein class, screwing over this. country while they engage in the most. overt corruption that you could possibly. imagine, thinking that nothing will ever. happen to them. They all ran on exposing. this Epstein level corruption and. instead they are participating in it. A. bunch of rich elites who've decided that. the rules don't apply to them and. they're so brazen that they're doing it. all out in the open. I would say that. Republicans will change their ways as we. head toward November, but they won't. They will faster rig the rules of the.

election before they govern with an. ounce of integrity. This is a party that. has fully abandoned democracy, which. means the results that we saw in. Louisiana, in Texas, in New Jersey and. Virginia, California, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, all across the country aren't. a fluke. They are a clear sign that if. we keep putting in the work, keep. centering regular people, that we have. the ability to relegate Trumpism to the. dust bin of history. But it means all. gas, no breaks from now until November. Next up are my interviews with Tommy.

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assassin with ill intent. >> Well, again, I just described to you. what I said about Alex Prey, which is. that he's a guy who showed up with ill. intent to an ICE protest. >> But if it is determined if it's. determined that his civil rights were. violated by this FBI investigation, will. you apologize to that? >> So, if if this hypothetical leads to. that hypothetical leads to another, will. I do a thing? >> So, Tommy, that was JD Vance being asked. about his initial response uh to the. Alex Prey shooting where, of course, he. called him an assassin. he was part of.

that um you know cadray of Trump. administration officials who viewed. their role in all of this as not getting. to the bottom of what happened but. instead painting a narrative before uh. before anybody was able to actually see. the facts. So your your reaction first. and foremost to what we heard from. Vance. >> Yeah, I mean JD Vance is the the smear. merchant and chief. Um he gleefully. retweeted Steven Miller's claim that. Alex Prey was an assassin who quote. tried to murder federal agents. Uh. before that JD Vance called Rene Renee. Good a deranged leftist. No actually she.

was just a a mother of three who was out. observing ICE activities. And so what. you know the pattern from JD Vance is he. is willing to say and do anything that. gets him more power or that keeps him in. power. And I think that is what we're. seeing here. And that is um why he is. detestable. He's also whiny. He acts. like he is the victim here for being. asked the question not the individual. who is murdered. Um, and uh, I hope that. uh, Republican voters find him as. repulsive as we all do and that he is. not the Democratic nominee in 2028. But.

uh, God, that guy sucks. I I want to. talk about that for a moment. And and I. don't I don't do horse race politics, certainly not about 2028 because, you. know, there's so much stuff that we have. to figure out before 2028 to even have. the luxury of a free and fair election. in 2028. But just on this idea of what. we're seeing from JD Vance, I mean, to. your to your point, like he is utterly. contemptable. He also doesn't have the. same charisma that, and I know people. are going to scoff at this, but the same. charisma that Trump has, at least with. Republican voters. Do you think that. that reads when you see stuff like this?

>> I do. I really look, Donald Trump, I. realize people hate him, but before he. was in politics, he was uh one of the. most famous people in the world. He was. his his brand was a billionaire. His. brand was the guy on the apprentice. Um. that there's a lot of people who still. know him as that. It's aspirational, right? Like people want to be rich, they. want to be famous, they want to be. successful. That was the the image he. sold to the world. Trump also like when. you see him on the stump, yeah, he's. nuts sometimes and a racist and a. misogynist and he can be awful and he.

does the weave and pretends it's like a. it's a strategy, but he can be funny. Uh. he makes the crowd laugh. He entertains. them. Like people stick around for hours. and hours to listen to this guy. I can't. imagine listening to JD Vance read. anything longer than a menu. It sounds. like hell on earth. So yeah, he sucks. >> Got no RZ. >> And he's got no RZ. Well, look, this uh. this is kind of like one piece of bad. news and what has been a decidedly. horrendous week for the Trump. administration as far as the news is. concerned because aside from, you know,

JD bu digging his own grave um on the. Alex Py shooting and kind of the ICE u. the ICE overreach that we're seeing. right now, we also had a brand new. trunch of the Epste files release. This. was, I believe, the biggest one yet. Trump has been named in there god knows. how many times. There's there's like. memes going around the internet that say. Trump is named in the Epstein files more. than Harry Potter's name pops up in the. Harry Potter series. Like all seven. books of Harry Potter. >> Who counted that? That's amazing. What. is that? >> Hopefully some AI. Like if if AI is.

needed for anything, that's what AI is. needed for. >> Thank you, Claude or whoever. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's where our that's where our. water is going. Um but but one of the. points uh that I that I think worth. noting in this latest batch of the Epste. files is just how many Trump. administration officials were listed in. there. We had Kevin Worsh who is Trump's. new uh pick for the Fed chair. We had. Howard Lutnik, Trump himself uh and and. just this this massive Elon Musk was in. there quite a bit. Uh were was any of.

this surprising to you given the fact. that you know the Trump administration. has been doing its level best to claim. that in fact the Democrats are the ones. who really got hurt by this latest. release? >> Yeah, look I I was sort of surprised in. a few ways. I was surprised by like the. totality of of Epstein's relationships. and how global his network was. Like the. guy the guy is literally friends with. multiple royal families. the guy was. getting forwarded readouts of. conversations that were happening in 10. Downing Street at the height of like the. the Eurozone debt crisis. Um he was.

friends with folks in the Gulf. He was. helping the former prime minister of. Israel plan his post uh government life. Like this guy was really dialed in. Um, but on top of that though, he there's. all these emails where he is sending. like disgusting, crude commentary about. women, and then there's other emails. where he's sending messages that seem. like they're two of his victims that are. incredibly [snorts] threatening and. cruel and manipulative. So, like this. guy I like the the the web he we wo is.

broader than I thought and like the. depth of the depravity of the people. around him is far worse than I ever. could have imagined. Yeah, there was uh. there was one email in particular that. really um that really kind of shocked me. and and and that's that's given what we. already know about what these emails are. and uh we can put that that email up. here on the screen. It's it's from. redacted to Jeffrey Epstein. He said, "Thanks for a good time last night. the. littlest girl was a little naughty and. and what I mean obviously the contents.

of that email aside because the the. depravity is is on full display with. those contents but what was striking was. the fact that the sender was redacted. and we've been told by deputy attorney. general Todd Blanch that the DOJ is not. looking to prosecute anybody for the. Epstein files. Uh that there were. apparently no co-conspirators. This. whole thing was just a sex trafficking. ring where Jeffrey Epstein traffked. girls nowhere to no one. And yet we have. stuff like this. Notwithstanding the. fact that the DOJ didn't redact plenty.

of names in these files. Like there were. victims names. There were images that. were not redacted, but they had plenty. of time to redact the senders of an of. an email to Jeffrey Epstein saying, "Hey, thanks for uh thanks for a good. time at the hands of your littlest girl. last night." And uh so just you know. what what did you think when you saw. that? I look I mean I just think the. hard part about all of this is despite. getting you know millions of new. documents sort of released by DOJ I just. don't trust anything they say like Cash. Patel is still claiming that there was.

nothing actionable in these files that. could have led to the prosecution of of. other individuals that Epstein. trafficked like how how is that. possible? Um Cash Patel is also out. there saying uh that he still thinks. Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. Like. really? I just feel like I just I don't. believe a word they said. I don't. believe that they weren't spending the. vast majority of their time doing. everything possible to cover up for. Donald Trump and the people around him. Whether that is redacting documents, destroying documents, making sure some.

things like never saw the light of day. you know, like Thomas Massie and Roana, the members of Congress who authored the. legislation that led to this release, are going to try to do their best to. review um the the redacted portions uh. that were withheld, but like that's a. monumental task and and they just don't. know what might still be hidden from. them by these liars. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I spoke with Jamie. Rascin on the judiciary committee and he. said that Todd Blanch has agreed to. meet. Um, also spoke with Roana also. said that Todd Todd Blanch has agreed to.

meet so that they can have some some. visibility into these files. Um, of. course, there was also an effort by. Roana and Thomas Massie to go to court. and get a special master to be able to. oversee all of this stuff. So, that. would basically take it out of the hands. of the DOJ and into the hands of the. court because the court would directly. oversee the special master. um that. effort failed because there wasn't a. lawsuit. So there was nothing to compel. um to com to legally compel the DOJ to. have to do this. But. >> um there there are some folks who do.

have standing like for example I mean. there are arguments that Thomas Massie. and Roana themselves do have standing if. they want to bring an actual lawsuit. The survivors have standing if they want. to bring a lawsuit. So this special. master question is is not over. And I. think frankly given the way that the. administration has comported itself with. regard to these files, getting it in the. hands of a special master is is not just. is not just um something that the that. these members of Congress should seek to. do. It's it's absolutely necessary.

because this administration's been. engaged in this cover up for the better. part of a year. I mean, we found out. last February by Pam Bondi that the. files were quote on her desk and she was. just waiting to review them and and it's. been a year and we still don't have the. files. Um, we also know, for example, that that there were other. co-conspirators thanks to emails that. were written by uh by prosecutors within. the DOJ that say, oh, that say that. there were 10 co-conspirators. um you know, guys in New York and Ohio. and and Florida. And so we know this.

stuff exists and this administration has. done its level best to to make sure to. kind of obuscate all of this stuff. So. they have no credibility left. The only. way to actually get have some shred of. credibility left is to make sure that it. gets in the hands of a special master. >> Yeah, there needs to be some sort of. independent review. I'm I think that's a. great idea, but you know, I'm sort of. agnostic to what form it takes. ultimately. Like the good news in the. near term is there are so many documents. now in the public domain. Um, the Trump. administration can vet them for obvious. things like removing Donald Trump's name.

or whatever, but they can't vet the kind. of information or leads that those. documents generate for great. investigative journalists who want to. continue pulling this thread. So, as. much as Trump says like the story's. over, we need to move on. Like, I think. it's just beginning. Also, eventually. hopefully Democrats will win back the. White House. Uh we will be in charge of. the Department of Justice. There should. be some sort of independent review or. congressional hearings or I don't know. 9/11 style commission like whatever the. form might be um to ensure that you know.

what you just described happens which is. some sort of independent honest review. and also hopefully like a lot of these. documents probably existed in a bunch of. different places. You know like Trump. can try to burn them at DOJ but are they. sitting in a New York FBI office. somewhere? Are there documents in. Florida? Like, we just don't know. >> Well, consider two consider too. If we. find out that there were efforts by this. administration to obuscate um what. actually exists and and protect these. people from from prosecution, they can.

put themselves in a position where they. become accessories after the fact. And. so if you have DOJ officials, Todd. Blanch, Pam Bondi, just because they're. they are federal officials now, first of. all, they're going to lose that. protection, you know, the protection of. Trump's DOJ once they leave office. And. if in fact a crime was committed to. prevent these people from from facing. the accountability that they deserve. Uh. any prosecutors can bring these charges. against them. I spoke with both um Keith. Ellison and Rob Bont, the AGs in. Minnesota and California about the fact.

that you had members of the DOJ who were. pre-claring uh these ICE agents. And if. in fact we find out, you know, that that. they committed state crimes, cuz we're. never going to see any accountability at. the federal level, but if they committed. state crimes by assassinating Renee Good. and Alex Prey and instead they they. sought to to pre-clelear these guys and. prevent any real accountability, um. those people, the Todd Blanches of the. world, Pam Bondies of the world can. themselves be in a position where they. get charged with accessory after the. fact. Uh you know, if if they're in.

front of an actual prosecutor. >> Yeah. And your point about state charges. is important because sure Trump can give. them pardons for federal crimes. Uh that. that's a tough political cell, right? Like, oh, I I preemptively pardon you. for anything to do with the Epstein. files, Pam Bondi. Like nothing shady. there, but uh he cannot pardon them for. state crimes. So, you know, >> they should uh worry about that. And. finally, um, Tommy, one more point here, and that is that we found out also in. their effort to kind of get us to, you. know, diffuse our attention onto. something else that Republicans are.

going to be hauling Bill and Hillary. Clinton into, uh, to testify in front of. Congress. So, uh, do you think this is. going to finally satisfy their their. desperation to get our attention off of. Trump administration officials and onto. the Democrats, um, in light of Trump. basically trying to shoehorn in this. idea that this is not a Republican. problem. It's not a Trump problem, it's. a Democrat problem. >> Yeah, I mean, I they can try. I just I. sort of think it's just more likely to. keep the entire issue in the news. Um, maybe there's really uncomfortable.

questions for Bill Clinton. Uh, if. that's the case, I don't really care. Um, he is being treated differently than. others. Um, it it is certainly unfair. that Bill and Hillary Clinton have to. testify and Donald Trump does not or, you know, others in the administration. do not. It's clearly a partisan. agenda-driven exercise. But if he has. information that he can provide about. Epste and his crimes and his. co-conspirators, then he should do that. And I just, you know, nine Democrats. voted uh to hold Bill and Hillary. Clinton in contempt. Clearly, uh, Dems.

are far more focused on actual. accountability and, you know, getting. the victims some truth and. reconciliation here and some justice. Uh, Republicans just want a political. weapon. But whatever. >> That's that's a great point because I. think the the Trump Trump team thinks. that if they can just get Bill in there. that it will reflect poorly off of. Democrats. But Democrats don't care. about Bill Clinton. Democrats don't care. about anybody who is involved in the. Epstein files. like the the cultish. mentality that Trump has is just him.

projecting how he views the Republican. party, rightfully so. And so he knows. that if he can just like or he thinks. that if he can get a a person with a D. next to their name and get them in the. spotlight and prove that they've done. something wrong, then the whole party. will somehow rally to their defense and. it will just kind of um filter down into. the, you know, into the the the usual. reductive D versus R fight. But no D's. care about Bill Clinton or anybody who. is involved in the Epstein files in this.

certainly not in the same way that you. have a lot of Republicans rallying to. Trump's defense. So if there are any. Democrats, them. Like we we don't. care. No one's rallying around anybody. who's done anything wrong or who is. implicated in any way in the Epstein. files. And so I think that this is him. thinking it's going to, you know, this. is going to be some some uh silver. bullet, but but it's not. >> Yeah. I Yeah. There was um Politico. interviewed some of the Democrats who. voted to hold the Clintons in contempt. Um uh Congresswoman Sarah Jacobs said. the following. Anyone should be held.

accountable regardless of political. party uh and then they asked her uh. whether Democrats would have been less. likely to hold a former president of. their own party in contempt two decades. earlier. She said, "I don't know, man. I. was in kindergarten." [laughter] So I. think it's like just the perfect. response. Like who cares? Look, I I. actually I'm I'm fine with this. Not. only because I don't care about Bill. Clinton or Hillary Clinton or any. Democrat or any Republican or any human. being who is involved with Jeffrey. Epstein, but also because if Republicans. want to establish a president where you.

can haul former presidents and their. wives in front of Congress to answer for. the Epstein files, that's fine. Like I I. I actually I'm I'm actually in favor of. that precedent. So haul as many people. in front of Congress as you want. uh. hold anybody accountable who is who is. engaged in any type of wrongdoing and uh. and look there will be a world where. Trump is no longer in office and if this. is how he wants to spend his uh. postpresidentidency life then that more. power to him. >> Enjoy enjoy sir. >> well to that end I think that a lot of. focus among the right right now is.

trying to get people to you know focus. on something else to to distract. everybody by pointing at Bill Clinton or. whatever it may be. This is a concerted. effort on the right. our job as members. of progressive independent media is to. push back against that. So, a small step. that everybody watching can take right. now to help amplify these voices and and. uh and push back against this narrative. setting by Republicans and conservatives. is to subscribe to Pod Save America's. channel. I'm going to put that link. right here on the screen and I'll put. the link to this channel on the screen. as well. Completely free to subscribe,

but it's a great way to support our. work, a great way to help uh fix this. imbalance in the independent media. ecosystem where Republicans have a. massive advantage. So again, those links. are on the screen. Tommy, appreciate. your time, man. >> Great to see you, buddy. >> I'm joined now by two of the hosts for. the QAnon Anonymous podcast, Jake. Rockatansky and Travis View. Thanks so. much for coming on. >> Thank you for having me. Always a. pleasure. Kind of. >> So you Yeah, kind [laughter] of. So. y'all are are the foremost experts on. all things conspiracy theories, uh, kind. of downstream from QAnon. And and I.

think what we're seeing right now as the. Epstein files are front and center in. the news is and I and I feel like I have. to to give an apology here because a lot. of this stuff where it relates to, you. know, the basis of QAnon that there's. this that there's this elite pedophile. ring, this cabal of people who act with. impunity. A lot of a lot of us on the. left, I think, scoffed at this because. it just seems so fantastical. But in. fact, I think we're seeing as it relates.

to Epstein that it's that it's very much. a a real thing. I mean, maybe not, you. know, a pedophile ring in the basement. of a pizza place that has no basement, but but you know, in effect, this stuff. does exist. And so I'm curious as you. have all of these adherence to the whole. QAnon conspiracy theory and the whole. QAnon universe whether there's any. acknowledgement of the fact that that. the people that they voted for to usher. in to usher in exposure on all of this. stuff are the very people that are. participating in the crime that they.

want to condemn. >> No, I wouldn't say that there is a lot. of like self-awareness about that. I. mean is there's uh there's because they. they spin these wild stories on the idea. that for example Trump was somehow like. undercover working with Epstein to take. him down. They credit Trump with uh with. like the with the fact that Epstein was. arrested under his last administration. even though you know they he was not. sort of like uh watched carefully enough. that allowed him to die in his in his.

prison cell. And um you like they uh. they also credit credit him with the. fact that these uh that these are being. that these files are being released now. Uh so yeah no there's there's not a lot. of acknowledgement even though even. though the Trump was a close associate. of Epstein and so was as these uh as. we've discovered these emails so was. Howard Lutnik the current uh secretary. of commerce and Steve Bannon was also. extremely close with Epste. They. exchanged hundreds of messages according. to this new uh trench of documents.

Well, it seems like there's just this. this really blatant cognitive dissonance. then because you know I guess the. question is is this more about exposing. this cabal of pedophiles or is it about. protecting Trump? Because anybody who. was acting in good faith who's. legitimately interested in taking down. or exposing the people involved in this. pedophile ring could easily see, okay, Trump is involved, Lutnik is involved. You know, he named Alex Acasta, who. obviously gave Epstein his sweetheart. deal in his first term. he was involved.

Trump's new Fed chair pick was. implicated in the Epstein files. And so. you have all these people. Anybody. acting in good faith would just be able. to say like, "Okay, these people are. clearly not on the level. They are the. very people that we're seeking to. expose." And so is is QAnon more about. exposing pedophiles, this this cabal of. pedophiles, or is it about just. protecting Trump? You know, I think you. can see two sort of differing systems of. belief here and and it tends to be.

between the QAnon influencers and your. sort of standard on the ground. believers. I mean, if you go to the most. popular sort of Q QAnon, proqinon. accounts on X, um, they also are combing. through the Epstein files and finding. things that label people that, you know, kind of match their general area of. target. So, they too are are combing. through um, you know, uh, and and.

ignoring everything else. And I mean, Travis pointed out to me, we we we had. an episode come out about seven years. ago that was called Epstein, the real. pizza gate. Um, this has always been the. hardest part of my job is on some level. understanding that QAnon directionally. is is kind of right given everything. that we know about Epstein. And I think. you have a lot of influencers, at least. that I've seen, um, who are going to do.

whatever they can to keep reframing, uh, the information as it comes out, uh, to. align with, you know, their proqon. beliefs. Now, I do think there is an. opportunity for your run-of-the-mill. believer to see this. And if they are, you know, if here's the question, do. they are they more passionate about, you. know, anti-pedophilia than they are. proTrump? And and I do think that the. answer for some is yes. I think this. could be a potential exit ramp in the. same way uh that when Trump called.

Epstein a hoax, you know, think about. that now given everything that's come. out. But when he called it a hoax, there. were a lot of people who said, "Wait a. minute, absolutely not." You know, um. and and they they began to kind of fall. away. >> Well, what are you guys seeing in in. online forums and stuff? I mean, you. know, you uh you have to uh [laughter]. part of your job is that you have to. subject yourself to an even an even. darker part of the internet that than. even I have to deal with on a daily.

basis. And so, uh but you know, that's. your losses are gained. And so, what are. you seeing, you know, on these online. forums from folks? I mean there's. there's lots of like claims of like. vindication if you can believe it from. like from from these people just because. um because like the the the general. narrative about like uh elite corruption. and uh child abuse and coverups and you. know elite impunity was was uh was. generally correct. But like like we. mentioned like like on our podcast we've.

been talking about that for like seven. plus years. I mean the fact that uh that. there's uh you know elite abuse and. impunity and uh people who like. sometimes abuse children and cover up. for those who do that part is uh has. been has been uh you know well known. that we've got a lot more details about. what this network looks like thanks to. the thanks to these documents but like. yeah they do this thing where like they. sort of like uh they sort of like. retreat into these abstractions where. like they feel like well they were like. generally right and so their wildest.

nonsense about like you know uh pizza. code words are also right which is just. not the case. >> but they feel vindicated at the fact. that they ushered in a Trump. administration who are themselves the. ones who are implicated in all of this. and so where does the vindication come. from like okay yes that there there is a. cabal of people but the people who they. empowered to expose all of this stuff. are the ones who did it and so does that. part ever register well I mean kind of. baked into the theory there are so many.

little rules kind of baked into QAnon. that allow you to kind of opt out when. you run up against a uh you know a piece. of real information that that makes the. entire Yeah. Yeah. that makes the entire. mind pyramid collapse, you know, otherwise. >> And you know, one thing, you know, that. that has been consistent is that Trump. is, you know, I remember what's really. interesting about the Epstein stuff is. that QAnon and people and conspiracy. theorists, they would always use Epstein.

as like a as like a stepping stone to to. then launch into another unproven. conspiracy to say that that's real. that. that never talk about the facts of. Epstein itself, but they would always. use Epstein to say, "Well, because. Epstein exists, then all of these other. conspiracy theories about Hillary. Clinton and all this stuff are real.". Um, and they've consistently believe. that Trump has infiltrated this this. circle. all of the stuff about Trump, you know, uh, uh, being a Democrat, uh,

in a former life, being friends with the. Clintons, attending Chelsea's wedding, uh, you know, all of his interactions. with Epstein that we've seen up until. this point. >> He was just a double agent this time, setting the stage. >> Exactly. Now, I my brother sent me a a. video this morning of him audibly. his pants during a meeting and. ending the meeting. So the idea of him. being like Liam Niss from Taken and. infiltrating like the biggest, you know, child trafficking ring, uh, and he is. the sort of hero at the center is.

becoming less and less plausible. Um, but we're it was it was unplausible in. 2017, you know, when the first Q drops uh. started happening. So the idea, you. know, if they believed it then it's. it's, you know, it's it's they're going. to believe it now, right? I I is there I. mean, why do you need why do you need. like Epstein to be a stepping stone into. some bigger conspiracy when Epstein's.

situation in and of itself is already. gigantic? I mean, you have you have. world leaders, you have princes, you. have I'm sure like you have all of these. people. I mean, Elon was planning uh. Elon Musk who was planning uh visits to. to Epstein's island that that we found. out. Um you you half the half the Trump. administration isn't is named in these. files. Why do you need this to be just. like some little stepping stone to a. more vast conspiracy theory when th this. is pretty damn vast unto itself?

>> Yeah, I I share your frustration with. with the the way they interpret things. because like I always feel like isn't. this enough? what we know. Isn't that. the Isn't this uh relevant enough? Isn't. this outrageous enough when without. having to uh add on uh all of these. extra sort of like wilder theories that. have no uh evidentiary basis at all? And. I think the problem with a lot of. conspiracists is that they're they're. really attracted to this idea of secret. esoteric information. And if like if.

it's being reported like everywhere, if. it's if it's if it's provable in. documents to the point that like you. know just normal casual news consumers. know about it, it's no longer secret. esoteric. Right. Right. >> It's it's kind of it's kind of like. embracing conspiracy theory because. because they want to be in that world of. conspiracy theory. >> Yeah. And they they want they want to. have feel like they have sort of like. they possess a higher level of knowledge. of how the world works than everyone. else. I feel like this feeling of like.

specialness I think is really more. important to them than sort of like. adhering to what's known and what's. what's well well in evidence. >> Do you think that it was a mistake for. [snorts] the Trump orbit? And I I don't. necessarily say Trump himself because I. don't think he was ever that involved in. like the QAnon stuff, but there were. plenty of people in Trump's orbit who. were. Do you think it was a mistake for. them to embrace this given the fact. that, you know, we're now in a situation. where all of these people themselves are. are, you know, either implicated or or. or are are part of an administration.

that's implicated in this. And so it's. only reflecting poorly off of them. Like. there's no world in which in which the. last few releases of the Epstein files. do anything but reflect poorly on, you. know, Trump and Bannon and Lutnik and. Wars and, you know, any Elon Musk, whoever it may be. So do you think that. embracing this whole world from the. outset given what given where we are now. was a mistake? >> Well, I mean I think uh I think like. politically maybe their their idea was.

like well they're going to sort of like. uh sort of like encourage this sort of. like this very passionate sort of like. but minority base of people who believe. that you know uh Trump in a circle can. do no wrong and and anyone who opposes. him are uh are pure evil. Right. And. then and all of a sudden you don't have. to worry about, you know, things like, you know, uh like like proving your. proving your case. I mean, I feel like. this was sort of their way of trying to. solidify uh their base and keep them in. a bubble and keeping them from ever uh.

questioning why uh why why, you know, for example, Epstein called like Trump. like is his best friend in a recording. and these sorts of things. I mean, I I. think it's like it's kind of like a. desperate strategy, but um I think that. was probably what they were trying to. do. >> Yeah. My my my general opinion is that. they they kind of had no choice to a. certain degree. I I I I see this happen. with Trump just since since 2016 is he's. constantly kind of left with the bottom.

of the barrel as he sort of peels away. anybody still reasonable that's sort of. in his orbit. And like Travis said, I I. think there must have been some kind of. internal data that QAnon was enough of a. contingency and enough of a voter block. that they eventually had no choice. And. and who knows? I mean, in the early. days, I remember uh you know, they were. trying to distance themselves from QAnon. as much as possible. And it was Trump. who was going, "Well, I don't know. I.

think they like me quite a bit." you. know, he was the one who who kind of he. couldn't stop talking about him because. they were, you know, they loved him the. most, >> right? I mean, the crazy thing like even. even with the shooting of Renee Good, who was like the perfect foil for Trump, the fact that uh her parents were. apparently Trump supporters, like that. gets to him there. It doesn't matter. ideology or beliefs or philosophy. He. just likes that you like him. That's it. [laughter]. I mean, yeah, I think I think yeah, I.

think he's very uh strategic in terms of. like coalition building where he's like. like it's like even if he doesn't. necessarily agree with people, it's like. he's like he said that like one of the. when there there's only two times he was. really asked about QAnon during his. first administration and one of the. times he asked what he knew about it. He. said like I know they like me very much. and that's really all that's important. to him. It's like it's like like he knew. that these were people who were. passionate about them who supported him. and he was not interested in alienating. them as a consequence of that.

>> What is the state of the QAnon movement. right now? I presume that it probably. peaked sometime around you know 2016. 2017 uh 2018 maybe around the time that. Marjorie Taylor Green was getting into. Congress. But but I'm just curious. whether whether you think that it's that. it's hit its peak or whether we're still. seeing this movement grow as more people. come online, more people get sucked into. rabbit holes and conspiracy theories and. you know we we have obviously less. digital literacy with the with the.

introduction of of more AI and and on. and on. I feel like just pe people's. general sense of what's real and what's. not is kind of getting worse, not. better. Well, I mean, I think it kind of. just sort of got absorbed into the wider. kind of like right-wing media sphere. I. mean, we saw recently like with just uh. uh a few weeks ago that the um that the. the Department of Labor Twitter account. was tweeting out QAnon related slogans. And so uh you know it's like it's like.

it's like either someone at the. Department of Labor social media team is. very pilled or they understand that this. is still a base that's worth signaling. to or they know how much it upsets. liberals or even your your never Trump. Republicans um who hate QAnon more than. anything because it it you know to them. uh it made the whole conservative. movement look like complete idiots you. know. completely disconnected from reality.

Um, you know, so that's like the third. option is that they know that they know. that people know where it's coming from. They know that some journalist is going. to go, why is the Department of Labor. doing where we go, ONE, WE GO, you know, they know it's going to cause a. reaction. And that is unfortunately um a. a a part of politics now is the is this. like sort of like antagonistic nature. that I that I really think you know. began uh you know in 2016 with with.

Donald Trump. >> I mean look it's rage bait and and it's. it's the currency of the internet. I. think that if they have the opportunity. to get a bunch of libs mad so they can. so they can uh you know own the libs. online then like that's a perfectly. acceptable uh thing for them to do as. far as they're concerned. How many. people do you think we're talking about. here? Because you're talking about this. contingent and I think for for normies. like myself, like I I cannot grasp a. world where there are more than like a. handful of them in some, you know, MySpace group or some Facebook group.

circa like 2013. But like how roughly. what are we talking about here in terms. of numbers? >> It's pretty bad. Travis, what the last. numbers were really bad. >> I I I'll confess I I I haven't checked. on on the polling. Uh people haven't. done polling on QAnon belief in a couple. years, but like last last they checked. it was like it was in the neighborhood. of sometimes like four 5% which is you. know millions of Americans. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's it's is it's. >> that's like that's like 15 or 15 to 17. million people. >> That's right. Yeah. That's right. And. like I mean. >> also happens to be roughly the same uh. level of polling for belief in that uh. that there's a cabal of lizard people. who rule the world. There's lots of. people who believe some silly things. >> We're getting close to like the number. of people who think that Tylenol is is. is safe. [laughter] You know, like we're. going to have more people who believe in. QAnon than believe that like you can. take Tylenol and be okay.

>> But like look how powerful QAnon is to a. certain degree. I mean, if you watch. that original Marjorie Taylor Green. Facebook post video where she's going. over all the Q stuff, um, she she she's. not looking great, but her her steadfast. belief in QAnon propelled her to, you. know, some of the highest levels of. power one can achieve in America, only. now to have her kind of back away from. it. Now, she's a good an interesting. example of somebody who whose true.

beliefs might put them at odds with the. president. Now, I would I I don't want. to give Marjorie Taylor Green that kind. of credit. I think it's probably more. likely that she kind of just senses. where the wind is going and no and is an. opportunist and and doesn't actually. believe in anything and will go wherever. she feels is like, you know, most. advantageous for her. But uh you know. there is an example of a very public. person who has uh you know gone against. Donald Trump in the wake of how he's. handled the the Epstein files.

>> I'm curious what the reaction has been. to her because she was I mean she was. even more bought in. I mean she was a. better representative a clear. representative of the whole QAnon. movement than than Trump ever was. Um. and and but but there is a lot of it a. lot of um kind of uh allegiance to. Donald Trump within the whole QAnon. movement too. And so now that those two. hate each other are in conflict with. each other, where does the movement more. closely align with like is it is it.

Trump even though he was never really. like a a QAnon um you know true believer. like Margie Taylor Green was? Um, I. mean, yeah. I mean, Green is interesting. because, yeah, she was someone who very. sincerely believed a lot of she was on. the QAnon bandwagon just a couple months. after the first Q drops and then and. then she somehow got got into Congress. Um, but it was but the the problem was. that that she was a true believer. According to reporting, one of the. things that caused the rift is that she.

pushed for release of the Epstein files, which uh which which Trump was a lot. more uncomfortable with. And it was. really interesting if you watch her. video in which she she announced her uh. resignation which was uh it was in. November of last year. She said that. there is no plan to save the world and. no 4D chess being played. This seems to. be a direct reference to uh Qanon. There's a the plan to save the world is. a very successful uh very popular QAnon. video. So she seems to be saying what. got her to stop believing some of the.

the the wilder claims of Qidon was. working with Trump directly. >> Yeah. But I mean the there's there's. irony in that in that the whole basis of. this thing is that Trump is going to be. the salvation, right? >> Yeah. That's that's that's that's the. that's the big that's the big fantasy. But like I said, it was like it's like. we have the the only example of a QAnon. true believer who got to Congress, was. able to work with Trump himself, wound. up wound up coming to realize that uh. that's not true. He's not he's not the. savior.

>> I I'd be curious to know how many people. lost faith in Trump because you have. this one true believer. You have Margie. Tiller Green who is now at odds with. Trump over this very issue is because. he's the one suppressing these files and. clearly implicated in these files. If. that's not enough for a bunch of these. people to say, look, if Margie Taylor. Green, who's like the only one in. Washington DC, who's actually like, you. know, on our level, if even she is going. to break with Trump because of his. involvement in all of this stuff that we. claim to condemn, then like how is that.

how is that not good enough for these. people who've put their faith in Trump? >> That's a good question. I I [laughter]. >> mean I mean I'm coming here with logic, too. I mean, a lot of this is you kind. of have to suspend that. >> Yeah. I mean, we we are increasingly. barreling towards a world where it it. it's of no use to look at time poorly. spent and reflect. Uh if that makes any. sense. you know why why go cuz now at. this point if you're still on the the. QAnon bandwagon you've now waited.

through four years of Trump four years. of Biden and a year into this new. administration for Hillary Clinton uh to. be perpwalked and it's it's just the. opposite. It seems like Hillary Clinton. is doing far far better than than Trump. is. Um, so at this point you would have. to say, you know what, wow, these last. like 10 years almost that I've spent are.

like wasted. Um, that's really hard for. people to do. You can do it. I I just. right before we jumped on, I checked uh. one of the very popular uh like proqinon. accounts on X um or Twitter, whatever. And the post today was taking a break. Going to go spend some time with my. family. >> You know, it's bad when even like the. the terminally online people are like, "Hey, I'm going to go touch grass. outside right now.".

>> And that's the that is, I think, in my. opinion probably the best thing that. could come from this for people who are. still wrapped up in conspiracy theories, QAnon, all that stuff. >> Um, >> is if if it makes them upset enough to. want to take a break. You know, one. thing that we've seen over time is is. that the less time you spend on the. internet and the more time you spend. with loved ones, family, something. that's grounded in reality, you these. conspiracies can become you can become.

less passionate about them as other. things sort of like take their place. Um, but that's, you know, it's a for a. lot of people it's fun. You know, I I. was on, you know, I was on Blue Sky and. threads looking at all all of the posts. about Epstein and all of this stuff. And. look, people are baking. It's fun to go. online and try to figure out a narrative. that makes sense, no matter what, you. know, what political aisle uh you sort. of reside on. Um.

and and and you know, it it's it's. tough. As long as the internet's there, there's going to be people that are. going to have a narrative for you that. aligns with something that you like. And. it's increasingly useless to try to go, well, this is just from this one source. or who is this from? Like, let me go let. me go check. I'm going to see what this. other outlet is publishing to get the. real idea. It's it's way easier to just. find something that you go, "Yeah, that. sounds right to me." And that and that's. reality. You guys said something. interesting in our last conversation. that that stuck with me and that that is.

that there's always something there's. always going to be a new like if you're. in the world of conspiracy theory, there's always going to be another. conspiracy theory to explain away. conspiracy theories that aren't neatly. resolved like or that don't make sense. And so I I I say that as the the. backdrop for this question. Will there. come a point where Trump will have been. in office four years during his first. term, four years during his second term? Um, and and even now with full control. of government, full control of the.

Department of Justice, he's got as. compliant uh an attorney general as you. could possibly ask for, we're still not. going to see, you know, Hillary Clinton. perwalked because of some, you know, pedophile ring in the basement of a. pizza place. It's just not going to. happen. And so, will there ever be a. point where those folks who believed in. all of this stuff will say, "Even under. the best conditions possible, all of our. people in charge, Cash Patel, Dan. Bonino, Donald Trump, Pam Bondi, all. those people, we're not getting what we. want. Maybe it was always bullshit.".

>> Yeah. I mean, the research really shows. that like the like conspiracism is. really is a mindset and that that that. does something for people. It it it it. aids sort of like you know uh sort of. like sometimes like even like social. bonds. I mean like being a conspiracist. gives you instant access to a passionate. community who are kind of like. interested in the same things as you. You know it's uh it's a it's sort of. like sometimes it's more of a way to. like you know ward off uh uncertainty.

and fear and anxiety and loneliness more. than is an earnest attempt to find the. truth. So yeah, for that reason, of. course, there's always going to be. people who like who concoct these these. elaborate theories, not because they not. because they're really interested in. uncovering corruption, but because it. just it makes them uh makes them feel. connected, makes them feel special in a. way that nothing else does. >> It's it's more like this is it's a it's. a journey, not the destination type. deal. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Jake, what do you think?

>> When um you know, one reason that I. started the the QAA pod um was because I. myself. uh a default kind of to conspiratorial. thinking. Um you know I was working in. the entertainment industry and um you. know I always wanted to be a. screenwriter and so I I followed. conspiracy theories casually because I I. loved the story. You know, I I was. always looking for a really interesting. story. And um I can tell you that when I. was at my most.

vulnerable and susceptible to to. believing conspiracy theories and even. being pulled further rightwing, I I. credit finding like more lefty political. podcasts like Chapo Trap House um and. just other other people in like the. lefty space that were critical of. government but not going to such a. conspiratorial means. I I I think in a. lot of ways that saved me from going. further, right? And I can tell you that. at that time in my life, I was. struggling financially. Uh I was lonely.

Uh a lot of my friends were partnered up. and were kind of feeling like they had. moved on with their adult lives. Um I I. was angry. I was I was bitter at at. people who were having more success than. I was. And and that is when I was the. most susceptible. So I I think a lot of. it has to do with where people are in. their lives. Um which can change you. know like you know there are times when. you can be really susceptible to these. kind of things and there are times when.

life is so good outside of the internet. that these theories hold a lot less. weight. So unfortunately the answer is. as long as there is this community there. to accept people who are lost who are. looking for an answer who are looking. for somebody to blame. Um there's always. going to be these communities online. especially there to to welcome them with. open arms. But that's not to say that. there aren't points of exit. And my hope.

is that, you know, I don't know. I I you know, part of me is like, I hope Trump makes. it the four years because then because. if he dies in office, there's going to. be a new slew of conspiracy theories. about who poisoned him or what not. >> Um, but my hope is that in the decades. to come that maybe uh we can sort of. pull back. I I I don't know. I mean, the. people who have the people who have the.

power to do so, which is the people who. run these big social media companies, um. it doesn't seem it seems like they're. not on our side. So, especially given. some of the the the revelations from. these the Epstein emails. So, I I don't. know. It's kind of a bad answer. I sort. of think people are just going to. continue to get more pled and more. segregated unless we can find like some. kind of like political figure who who. can make everybody feel loved and. listened to. I don't know. It's a bad.

answer. >> Yeah. No, no, I mean it that that does. make sense. So I I am curious as cuz cuz. you mentioned like moving forward, you. know, uh uh in time here, is there. something on the horizon that somebody. like me like again in in kind of the. more normie space of the internet. doesn't know is coming but is coming. like in very much the same way that I. learned about QAnon last like I'm not. I'm not in those corners of the. internet. Um, but I'm I'm curious like. what's what's coming down the pike that. we should know about.

>> liberal QAnon? [laughter]. Well, I mean I mean I think uh I mean. people are already kind of like aware of. this, but like um I think I. [clears throat] think um in partly in. consequence to the fact that uh that. Trump was reelected, a lot of a lot of. social media networks um like like like. Facebook um sort of like just took off. the guard rails. you know, there was. like there they before they had some. sort of like sort of moderation and.

fact-checking efforts before, but boy, those those are all but gone now. Um, that's like that's sort of like that's. better for, you know, that's better for. their bottom line because they they have. to invest in less moderation and like is. is good because they they they you know, the clicks from uh the clips from. conspiracists are just as good as the. clicks from everyone else. And uh so. there's lots more uh nonsense just uh. that that's going to so it just you just. have to be more guarded. You have to be. a cautious person. I mean we saw this we.

saw this with uh with the recent release. of the the new Epstein documents. There. were some there were some fake ones. floating around like like uh with Elon. Musk. It is true that there are a few. emails that show him actively trying to. get invited to the island, but there's. one uh one in particular. It says. something like, "Oh, uh can I can I go?". Oh, girls for the win. I think I think. it was what it said. Yeah, it was like. that one is totally fake and but a lot. of people thought it was real, but like. it's like was like one of those things.

It's very convincing. I mean, that's. that's all it's like like as as bad as. sort of like misinformation was before. The fact the fact that uh now there's. essentially no regulatory pressure on. these social media companies now means. that you know you have to be a uh a. conscious consumer of social media in. the moving forward. >> Yeah. My my I was actually just talking. to my buddy Dave uh from college. yesterday and he he actually put it. really succinctly and he said that I I. asked him if something was real or not. because he had sent me one of the files.

actually one of the one of the documents. from the Epstein files and I asked is. this real and he said I just assume that. everything is real and also that. everything is AI and like you just like. the line between what's real and what's. not is just obliterated these days where. we are we are immersed in so much lunacy. that if you told me any of this stuff. was I'd believe you because look look at. what's happening. Look at the world. we're living in. But at the same time, if you told me it was all fake, I'd. believe you if you said that, too. >> Yeah. I I'm at the point where the I'm. getting videos coming across my feed and.

it's like, can you tell the difference. between the AI and the real one and I. can't anymore at, you know, I think past. 40 years old, you you lose that ability. um to detect AI. Maybe maybe it's just. me, but I think that's where we're. going. That's what to look out for. And. the and the sad truth is that it's. already here. I mean, we used to never. talk about AI on the podcast. Now, I. feel like every other episode we have to. debunk like some kind of AI image or.

video or something. There were so many. uh that came out uh uh revolving around. the the two ICE murders. Um I mean, the. two most recent ICE murders, I should. say. Um, >> yeah, >> it's just, yeah, it's exhausting and I I. all I can say is to to folks listening. is just to try to have a little bit of. patience. There's um there's such a rush. for information to come out and there's.

this whole ecosystem of influencers and. independent journalists um who really. want to be first on the scene with some. kind of narrative. And it's really easy. to just kind of take that as fact. But. but. >> as I've seen, if you wait long enough, usually. >> enough information comes out that you. can kind of have some picture of the. truth, >> and that's okay. And that's and that's. okay. Maybe a picture is all we're we're.

able to get. Um but it's better than. nothing. >> Totally. Hey, um Jake and Travis, where. can folks who are watching right now or. listening right now see and hear more. from you? Yeah, you can check us out on. uh yeah was like any any uh podcasting. app. Go to QAA and you can find our uh. free feed if you like what we do. We. also have a Patreon which we offer uh we. offer premium episodes. We also have a. uh podcast network where we do really. fun minisseries about topics like like.

like uh online trades. It's called Curse. Media. You can find that at cursia.net. >> Awesome. I'm going to put the link right. here on the screen and also in the post. description of this video. Jake and. Travis, thank you guys for the time. Thanks for um navigating the corners of. the internet that save us from having to. navigate those corners. I appreciate it. >> Always a pleasure, Brian. >> Always a pleasure, man. Good to talk to. you. >> To listen to the audio version of this. episode, click the link right here on. the screen. And please make sure to. subscribe. And of course, to see more of. my content, that subscribe button's on. the screen as well. [music].