Minnesota governor deals BAD NEWS for Trump, Noem, and ICE

I'm joined now by the governor of. Minnesota, Tim Walls. Thanks so much for. joining me. Oh, >> thanks for having me, Brian. I. appreciate it. >> So, Governor, uh, Donald Trump just. announced yesterday that he had had a. conversation with you. Can you talk a. little bit about what that what took. place during that conversation? >> Yeah. Um, certainly. And again, thanks. for having us. Motans have been through. it, but I think the the country has seen. it. Um, we're pretty resilient people. And uh I think it's pretty clear that. the president was having that. conversation because of the thousands of. motans who were on the street and.

because of the murder of Renee and Alex. Uh started out with the president, you. know, said that we we got to we can't go. on like this, which he characterized it. that we're on the same wavelength. If we. were, it's the agreement that this has. got to stop. Now, I hope his end state. is the same as my end state, which is. removing these ICE agents and border. patrol in this occupation of Minnesota, allowing us to investigate the folks who. uh potentially I think a jury may find. murdered um two of my citizens. And then.

uh do border enhancement according to. law, border security according to law. This has nothing to do with that. So, it. was a it was a conversation where I. articulated what I needed. Look, I don't. I'd like to say that they got here. because of the moral outrage that many. of us felt on Saturday morning and then. two weeks ago, but I don't know. Maybe. they got there because of politics, but. I don't care as long as they get there. and get these folks out of here and and. quit this assault. So, I I would. characterize it, you know, I had to try. and correct some facts that were.

incorrect, but at the end of the day, I. think a commitment to. they want out of this probably uh for. the politics of it. I want out of it. because of the moral outrage and the. damage to being done. >> And and and that's a little bit of what. I want to dig into here. There is there. is um obviously speculation that because. this has turned into a 7030 issue. against Donald Trump where even, you. know, forget independents, even. Republicans are coming out and vocally. opposing uh what's happening in.

Minnesota, what's happening at the hands. of ICE. Do you think that Trump was just. looking for some off-ramp to basically. get out of there and and just retain. some shred of credibility on the issue. of immigration? >> Yeah. And look, Brian, I think we all. know that how you deal with this. president is is somewhat uh delicate, if. I don't know if that's the right word, that decisions are made on emotion. And. in this moment, look, I don't. >> I don't see any change yet. I will just. say I just met with Tom Holman and and I. would say that that did feel productive.

um you know, things that we need to see. happen and things that need to change. Um look, it is it's untenable for them. The country has woke up and I think. there's folks out there that we are. heartbroken, we're outraged, we're sad. Um but I do think they're what I felt. going yesterday and and this morning so. far is a bit of optimism and and look, I. have a deep sense of pride. That call. happened yesterday because people stood. on the streets in 40 below weather.

Yeah, >> that call stood on the streets because. Alec PR's parents stood up and said, "How dare you bismerch our son's name. and folks across the country did that, too." So, look, I I I think it's a. combination that for them it it is a big. political problem. I would hope there's. still a few people over there that see. how outrageous this is, how it goes. against the Constitution, goes against. just basic decency, and that it's in. both of our interest to get them out of. here. Uh, and I hope that's the case.

But look, until it happens, and that's. what I told uh Tom Holman. I said it, it's just words until it happens. And. there's a very narrow window here where. people in Minnesota and across the. country are going to give them the. benefit of the doubt to start course. correcting this thing. >> You know, you had mentioned um uh Alex. Py's family. being being rightfully upset at what the. administration is saying about their. son. Can I have your reaction to to what. we heard at the hands of Christy Gnome. and JD Vance and Steven Miller and even.

Donald Trump? This idea that they would. immediately come out and and not just. slander Alex Prey, but pre-clear the. officer, the ICE agent who actually. committed the crime of of killing this. guy while while he had no I mean and I. mean it's the same thing with Renee. Good, but just this idea. Yeah. I. [clears throat] mean, can I can I just. have your general reaction to to kind of. the Orwellian rhetoric that's coming out. of this administration? Yeah. And it is. And look, I I'm trying to manage this. and you know, and you try and if the. term is be a statesman or whatever, but.

I I'm ready to barfight on that because. this is outrageous to be smurchch these. people's names and and to talk to a set. of parents or talk to a spouse who at. simultaneously is receiving news within. hours their loved one is brutally. murdered in front of the world and then. have the most powerful people in the. world tell lies about someone in both. cases who have tried to live exemplary. lives as good neighbors. It is it is. this moral injury that is happening to. this country that the minute they get.

out of here, but it it's this type of. thing. It's the little Liam in his. little hat and his Spider-Man backpack. It's every single person in Minnesota. has now seen a car abandoned. It It's. like a hellscape of abandoned cars with. their door open or the window broke and. the uh you know their seat belt cut. It. it it's traumatizing on so many levels. and it is accomplishing nothing. And. again, I remind your folks who are out. there listening, Minnesota ranks as one.

of the 10 states with the safest. streets, the lowest numbers of violent. crime. We are 28th in the number of. undocumented folks that are living here. The vast majority of those folks are. without criminal history. They simply. have a civil uh case against. immigration. Many of them trying to go. through the process. So, look, we know. what this is. This is about an. intimidation. It's about an invasion. It's coupled with they're freezing our. money. They're taking our money from our. SNAP programs. Hell, they decided while. they were at it, why don't we just.

extort them for their voter files? Um, they just threw it all at the wall. And. and I think for me, when it comes back. to the human side of it, to listen to. Michael and Susan, Alex's parents in. grief, but asking me, they said, "Whenever you get on an interview, can. you tell the positive stories about. Alex?" I went and met with his. co-workers yesterday. ICU nurses at the. VA might possibly be as a group the. toughest people you will ever find and. the most selfish people. That group is.

devastating. The idea that their. coworker and somebody who was a leader. in that office um like they said and. they they said when they watched the. video they saw it. I mean think of that. [clears throat] horror. But they said. the minute that that woman got pushed. they said Alex had no other choice but. go to her. That was exactly what he was. going to do. And so I I just want to. send out thanks to the rest of the. country, but I I don't know if I have. words or the capacity in language to. tell you just how traumatizing this is.

This this this feels like it feels like. an invasion and and they came here. all kitted up like they're in. Afghanistan, >> right, >> against US citizens. And the minute that. all these competitions, you saw it at. this the Whipple Federal Building here, um, one of the things we did is we took. over the state of Minnesota and I had. the National Guard folks I served with. when I was in the Guard and instead of. seeing tear gas and fighting and. screaming, you saw National Guard folks.

with their name on their uniforms, no. mask, handing out hot chocolate, coffee, and donuts um to people up there. And. now we got a request from the protesters. up there if they can bring food for the. National Guard. um this is the way it. should be done. We have a job. We're. going to protect their right to protest. If they throw anything or if they try. and do anything that is, you know, uh. against the law, of course, we will. enforce that. But standing there doing. what Alex was doing, what Renee was. doing, that's their right, and we'll. protect it.

You'd mentioned um that extortion. attempt by Pam Bondi where so you you. have all of these ICE agents come in, you have them incite all this violence, you have them murder American citizens, uh and then try to hide their identities. and and you have the administration. doing their bidding by pre-clearing all. of these people. Is there some sense. that we're seeing mob boss tactics at. play here where, you know, the people. who are responsible for the violence. say, "Oh, we sure do wish this violence. would go away. I think I have a way that. we can do that. If only you're you were.

to uh confer some political concessions. on to me, I think we can I think we. could help each other out. >> Pretty hard for me to see it any other. way and and the reason for being here. has changed numerous times of why. they're here. And again, this false. narrative on this motans understand we. need to have borders. Motans need to. understand that if you commit crimes. here that you may, you know, you may. need to be deported back. But motans. also recognize there's folks that made. artous journeys to get here to try and.

put their children into school in little. Spider-Man backpacks while they're. working their job. And that we. understand that the reason that so many. of these people are in this, you know, hellish state of limbo is because. Republicans refuse to do comprehensive. immigration reform and get more judges. to adjudicate asylum claims that don't. take seven years. They should take 90. days. So yeah, I mean coming down with. that and and look, President, the one. thing is he usually tells you, I'll give. him that. He says he won here three.

times and that the elections were rigged. every time he ran. He did not. He lost. here three times. And I have a hard time. not thinking that maybe that's the. actual real answer here. And and he he. personally despises me. Um which, you. know, I said, I'll take myself out of. this. I won't run. Just leave us alone. But yeah, this is this is what they're. doing. And and people feel it. And. here's the good news. I I think there's. a lot of folks in America who are losing. faith. And I you know, I get the Obi-Wan. speech that makes its way around as the.

republic has fallen. And you know, the. republic has not fallen and they've made. their stand here in Minnesota and. they're leaving. Uh Greg Bavano is out. of Minnesota. Motans are still here. standing firm. If they don't make. further changes, we'll still be. standing. And I've made a note of this, Brian. special election here today. Just. couple of house districts or whatever. Minnesota's known for a lot of things. One of the things is is our safe, secure. elections. We are either in every. election either number one or number two. in voter turnout. I'll go ahead and make. a prediction right now. You are not.

going to see anything like the number of. people who vote in November. And I got. to tell you, there's there's people. around Donald Trump, at least a few of. them must recognize that said we are. going to get our asses handed to us in. November. And so, look, however you need. to change course on this, I I wish you. were good human beings and change. because of moral outrage, but go ahead. and change course based on the election, that's fine by me. Just get get out of. here and leave us to our work. >> So, I I I understand um I understand the.

the desire to want to like move past. this, but I think also it's going to be. important to see some accountability for. the people who have committed these. crimes. And and I I I use that term. advisedly. I mean, when you have these. ICE agents who've shot unarmed. protesters, uh, like execution style in. the streets, there's really no other way. to cut it. Um, obviously DHS is doing. everything in its power, uh, to make. sure that no investigation and certainly. no prosecution takes place, and that. includes withholding evidence uh from. the BCA, from state investigators out.

there in Minnesota. And so, can you talk. about your commitment to making sure. that that even if Trump's Department of. Justice uh doesn't move forward with any. any investigation or any legitimate. investigation that state investigators. are going to take this seriously and. pick up where the DOJ is leaving off? >> Oh, we absolutely will. That is an. absolute uh commitment to to those. families. It's a commitment to people. motans and people commitment to America. I mean, it's an outrage and and you. described it pretty well, Brian, but. keep in mind, too, that after what they.

did with Renee Good and and took the. evidence, didn't investigate, cut us. out. Never happened before. Highly. unusual. We were prepared this time and. we were already the minute that this. happened. We went to a court and we got. a judicial warrant to be on that site. and they disregarded the judicial. warrant. So, look, I told Tom Holman. today that there's several things he had. to do. He has to reduce this force and. he has to allow us to be part of this. investigation. Look, I don't know. I. don't know where the investigation will. take it because unlike Christine Gnome, JD Bansz, Donald Trump, and the rest of.

them, I did not pass rare judgment. But. if we do an investigation and an. indictment is warranted, these ICE. officers are coming back to Minnesota. and stand trial for what they're held. for. And and that could range from many. things, but I think a lot of people saw. what they saw with their eyes, and they. know that that looked like murder to. them. So, yes. And and I would go one. step further. That part is going to be. critical and like you said about this. moving on. I don't want these ICE agents. to move to Maine. I don't want them to. move to Philly. Well, they'll find out.

if they move to either one of those. places that they'll find resistance they. found here. But I don't want them to do. that. I think there's a broader. conversation here of the moral damage. and the real damage that the. administration has done in just one. year. >> When this thing is over at whatever time. that is, I I think we're going to need. nationwide, you know, truth and. reconciliation on this because of them. tearing us apart. They made us the. enemies. They made us the enemies. They. They brought federal charges against me. for having the audacity to tell people. to express their first amendment rights.

They've done that to try and stifle. people. For God's sakes, they tried to. bring they're they're trying to do an. investigation on the wife of of Renee. Good. It is a moral outrage. And just to. leave here, it's not all going to get. better. And that's what they need to. know. And look, I I'll go ahead and make. this prediction. the damage they've done. to their political, you know, and to. Republicans political uh future is. already cast. I think Americans, every. one of those people who stood in 40°ree. weather, the tens of thousands who stood.

in minus 40°ree weather, you can be. pretty sure they'll be in a warm voting. booth come November casting their. ballots. So, look, this is coming down. on them, but I'm under no illusion that. that we are anywhere close to this being. done, both for Minnesota and for the. country. And so I just encourage people. to stay stay out there. We expect. justice. We expect them to follow the. rule of law. Those things are not. happening right now. Perfect place to. leave off. We'll leave it there. Governor Walls, I appreciate the time. >> Thank you.

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