BREAKING: MAJOR UPDATE on NEW Epstein lawsuit

I'm joined now by Congressman Roana. Congressman, thanks for joining me. >> Thanks for having me back. >> So, I want to speak about this latest. update uh on the Epstein files. You and. Thomas Massie have gone into court and. asked a judge to appoint a special. master. That effort was rebuffed. And so. my first question here, given the fact. that that there is uh no standing right. now to ask for a special master without. a lawsuit, is the next step here going. to be for you and Thomas Massie to bring. a lawsuit against the DOJ to actually. try and um give standing to the court to.

be able to rule on this issue? >> There were two important facts in the. judge's finding. First, he said that. Massie and I raised quote legitimate. concerns about DOJ's compliance uh and. lack of producing documents and security. said that there is an avenue to the. representatives to uh get involved. They. should consider bringing a lawsuit. Uh. and we are exploring the options of. motions and lawsuits to uh to enter. Uh.

and I know some of the survivors are. exploring it as well. Uh so there's. definitely going to be further action. >> so that there can be something of a belt. and suspenders approach. Would there be. any interest in including some of the. survivors as plaintiffs in a potential. case that you and Thomas Massie would. bring? So that even if members of. Congress don't have standing, well. that's okay because we've also got. survivors who are plaintiffs. And if you. all don't have standing, they might.

>> Well, as you saw, there were two. survivors who uh petitioned the court. uh Haley Robson and Lisa Phillips both. showing extraordinary courage and we are. looking at possibly bringing a suit with. survivors possibly bringing a mo motion. with survivors we're also looking uh at. survivors possibly doing it uh on their. own initiative all options are on the. table and Massie and I are still looking. at our congressional power we may bring. uh inherent contempt or impeachment. against Bondi you had representative.

Luna today in oversight uh talk about. how uh upset she is both with the the. judge but also with the DOJ. I believe. we would get Republicans on an. impeachment and that would be very. significant if the Republican House. voted to impeach Pam Body. >> Do you feel like Congress was conned by. virtue of the fact that Donald Trump. said that he was going to sign this. thing because he was going to offer some. goodfaith effort uh to actually release. these files? And now, you know, we're. more than a month past the deadline of.

these files. And frankly, we haven't. seen any documents get released in in in. the last few weeks. And of the documents. that they did dane to release, it's less. than 1% of what actually exists. I say, no, I don't think we were kind. I. think Donald Trump was forced into. signing this. I mean, he didn't want to. sign this at any uh step. We basically. forced him to sign it because he knew he. would lose the Republican votes in the. House and the Senate. It was the most. significant uh Democratic bill that the. president was forced to sign. So I.

didn't think Massie didn't think that. there would be Kumbaya after he signed. it. Uh we knew it would be a fight. Now. there have been some significant. documents that have come out. One saying. that uh Maria had complained in 1996 to. the FBI and no one paid attention to her. proving that she was not lying uh and. that this whole thing could have been. prevented if law enforcement had acted. And we also know there are. co-conspirators from documents that came. out. Why does that matter? We now know. there were other rich and powerful men. part of the Epstein class who abused.

these young girls. But this is going to. be a tooth and nail fight to get the. documents out that we want to see. Mainly the F the F302s, the FBI. statements that the survivors made which. name these other men and Massie and I. are prepared to fight this year to get. get as many documents out. At what. point, if there's no documents that are. being released, do the survivors just. come forward and say, "Look, we have a. we have our freedom of speech. If if the. Trump administration isn't going to.

abide by the law, then we'll just come. out and name name the name the the. co-conspirators of this crime. ourselves.". >> Well, they they are reluctant to do that. because they already are facing threats. Uh and uh you know, they could face. defamation suits. So look at Massie and. I am Massie is facing a a primary. challenge in Kentucky. Uh I have upset. uh some of the billionaires in Silicon. Valley not just because I've said they. should pay more tax but because uh I. have uh said that the Epstein class.

needs to go and Cara Swisser has pointed. out that a number of people from Silicon. Valley were on uh Epstein's island. So. we we've taken on uh very powerful. people and the survivors have. I don't. know if they will uh be wanting to go uh. publicly and be sued. One thing though I. should say is I know some of these. survivors. I know they're lawyers. They're in consultation today with the. Department of Justice about documents. that are going to be released and making. sure their names are redacted, which. gives me some confidence that more.

documents are coming out. So, I think. you would see the survivors stand in. front of the steps of the capital again. if that process comes to a complete. halt. But behind the scenes, there have. been conversations about uh further. documents coming out. >> Was it a mistake not to include some. some punishment in the event that the. Epstein files weren't released in the. actual legislation? Like right now. there's there's no there's no. enforcement mechanism other than the. fact that it's just a law, but there's. there's no deterrent effect. There's no. consequences for the DOJ for not doing.

it. If you could go back, would that be. changed at all? Well, we did consider. this when we drafted the law and what we. were told by council is that it would. constitute obstruction of justice to. violate the Epstein transparency act. punishable by imprisonment, punishable. by uh a huge fine. So, we haven't seen. that. I mean, the the judge didn't rule. that the Epstein transparency act that. you could just violate it without. consequence. He ruled that Massie and I. didn't have standing and that he. couldn't in this criminal case enforce.

the Epstein transparency act. But. certainly someone could sue under that. Etsy and transparency act who did have. standing. The survivors would uh and the. the consequences could be uh prosecution. uh in and holding these people in in uh. accountable and a future president uh. could do that. >> But would it be up to the DOJ to be the. entity that actually prosecutes or is. there some other entity that could. prosecute to enforce uh the Epstein file. transparency act? No, it would be the.

DOJ and that's why ultimately we may. have to wait for a Democratic president. both to have the full release of these. Epstein files uh and to to have. prosecution of those who violated the. Epstein transparency act. And people. say, "Well, why does it matter? Why does. it matter? It's 20 years old. You know, this person's been dead. Why does it. matter?" Because it goes to trust. If. you want to do what I want to do, Medicare for all, free public college, a. living wage, a housing program, how can. you do that when people don't trust. government? And the reason the Epstein. uh act is front and center. The reason.

that people are heckling the president. as a pedophile protector is it's a. symbol of a government that is. protecting corrupt rich and powerful men. uh and that has lost the trust of the. American public. When we release the. files, when we prosecute those who have. committed grave harms or who are hiding. files, then we will begin to restore. trust with the American public. >> I want to talk about Dan Bonino for a. moment. he has kind of swept back on to. the podcasting space a as if he's some.

like white knight, some crusader coming. back from battle. What would your. message be to the folks who tune in to. Dan Bangino or who believed him when he. when he built up his brand as this. champion for accountability and. transparency recognizing that he did an. entire stint as deputy FBI director, did. not release any of the files. in fact. was part of an administration that is. right now continued to be engaged in a. coverup and yet still has the audacity. to present himself as some hero when he.

goes back to podcasting. >> Well, I'd love to uh get on Dan Bonino's. podcast or have him come on yours and. ask him some simple questions. Why. aren't they releasing the witness. memorandum where the survivors named. these rich and powerful men? Where where. are they? We know where they are. Why. aren't they being released? Dan Bonjino, why aren't they releasing Epstein's. emails and pictures that they took from. the computer? You are the one who called. for these files to be released. Uh, and. now, uh, you've gone silent. Why don't.

you speak up and now that you're on the. outside and help us get these files. released? And the interesting thing to. me is I've not heard him answer those. very simple questions. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, to what extent do you. think does the fact that, you know, we're seeing all of this increased. activity in Venezuela, in Greenland, um, with ICE, do you is there any part of. you that thinks that that is intended to. distract from, you know, what was a. pretty devastating story with regard to. Epstein? And I and I don't ask this. question to say that those things aren't.

important or that they're just a. distraction because I think that Donald. Trump's um desire to invade and annex a. sovereign country is unto itself a. pretty clear testament of just how. depraved he is, just how lawless he is. So I don't want to I don't want to. diminish uh the gravity of what he's. doing there. But do you think to any. degree that there that some. complimentary um benefit, some tertiary. benefit for him is that okay, every day. that we're talking about Greenland or. ICE or whatever it may be is a day that. we're not talking about the fact that.

he's implicated in the largest pedophile. cover up in American history. >> I I believe what Trump is doing uh in. Venezuela and Greenland is motivated out. of American arrogance. Uh he wants to. have wars not of liberation but wars of. conquest. He wants to uh literally take. land. He wants to take resources from. other people and he wants to uh rid this. country of uh immigrants who've come. from Mexico, El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala uh and Steven Miller and that.

have that project. So that is an. ideological project of gunboat. diplomacy, of an imperial for foreign. policy like the Monroe Doctrine, uh, and. of, uh, trying to rid us of, uh, immigrants from, uh, what they believe. are the wrong countries. So, I think. it's something so much more sinister and. deeper than just distracting uh, from a. terrible scandal. That said, uh the the. Epstein scandal isn't going away and it. it's probably the thing that gets under.

the president's skin the most that it's. the only thing that you know a lot of. people don't understand Venezuela. They. don't understand candidly ICE. They. don't understand the all the dispute. about Greenland. You know what they do. understand rich and powerful men raping. girls and they understand that they got. away with it and they hate pedophiles. And so you have people like a factory. worker in Michigan saying, "Mr. President, why are you protecting. pedophiles?" And this gets under Donald. Trump's skin because this is the one. thing that has broken through the common. culture. You go, you know, when the. Super Bowl comes, you talk to the folks.

there watching the game and you you ask. them for their detailed views on Madero. or on uh on Greenland, they may not. know, but they'll all have an opinion on. the Epstein files and who were on. Epstein's island and who was on that. plane and why they aren't being. prosecuted. And that's why Donald Trump. is so afraid of this. And finally, when. can we expect um some news with regard. to next steps in court? Again, we had. spoken at the top of this interview. about the fact that that there wasn't. standing for this particular um you know.

uh court situation, but when can we ex. expect some next steps, be it a lawsuit. or something else? >> Over the next two weeks, you will. probably hear what Massie and I are. going to do next legally. uh what we're. going to do in terms of inherent. contempt or impeachment and then the. upcoming uh testimony of Pam Bondi on. February 11th at judiciary and let's see. if she comes to oversight as well as. Maxwell's deposition uh in front of the. oversight committee. So like I said this.

is uh not going away. Uh I expect more. documents to be coming out from what. I've been told by survivors lawyers or. cons been consulted on some of the. release. So, we also will be monitoring. what they release next. >> Great. We'll leave it there. Uh, thank. you as always for your leadership on. this issue, for not letting this thing. slide by the wayside, and uh, thanks for. taking the time today. >> Thank you, Brian.