BREAKING: Clintons drop Epstein BOMB on Trump

It's clear by now that as it relates to. Epstein, Trump sought to diffuse. attention away from himself by pointing. at the Clintons. Well, that might not. have been the best idea considering this. is now what Hillary Clinton just said. publicly. >> A law was passed in Congress to require. that all the files uh that have anything. to do uh with them be released. And what. we're seeing, I think it's fair to say, is a continuing cover up by the Trump. administration. In fact, when the attorney general.

testified last week, uh it uh was quite. a scene because she refused to answer. questions. She diverted. um attention away from the matters at. hand. She refused to look at the. survivors. So, there's something uh. about this administration's. attitude toward this which I think. really leads us to conclude they have. something to hide. We don't. We have. been willing to say whatever we know.

We've even done it under oaths. >> So, to be clear, Donald Trump was. hellbent on making sure that no one was. paying attention to him. So, he decided. to shine a spotlight on the Clintons, who used that spotlight to highlight the. Trump administration's cover up of the. Epstein files. No notes, Donald. No. notes. And the reality is that Hillary. Clinton is absolutely right in terms of. what she says here. A law was passed. with near unanimous support in Congress. mandating the release of the files two. months ago that have not yet been. released. We're still missing 3 million.

files. Files that the DOJ has announced. they have zero intention of releasing. We've also watched as Pam Bondi claimed. the files were on her desk and ready to. be released a year ago. That never. happened. As Trump hauled Lauren. Boowbert into the situation room to get. her to remove her name from the. discharge petition. As Trump tried to. get Thomas Massie primaried because he. authored the bill that forced the files. release. And of the files that were. released, it just so happens that the. victim's information was revealed, but. the co-conspirator's names were hidden, which I suppose is just one big.

coincidence. I mean, hell, this isn't. even just some conspiracy theory from. the left. Marjorie Taylor Green admitted. the extent of this cover up within the. last day or so. >> What was happening in the background for. months leading up to when we finally got. it released is we were getting pressure. from the White House. We were getting. pressure from the speaker, do not take. your name off this discharge petition. And we're like, why? This is we're. talking about the Epstein files. This is.

the ultimate the ultimate promise. This. is the ultimate way to provide. transparency. This is the ultimate way. to take it to the deep state and expose. a whole criminal cabal of rich, powerful. elites that that I believe control. everything. And guess what? Come to find. out, they do. They do. >> and you know so so we're like why would. So in the meantime President Trump is. calling it I've seen a the whole thing a. hoax. Um he's calling a Democrat hoax.

Uh he won't have anything to do with the. women. He still refuses to have anything. to do with these women. So this whole. thing is building. The women are saying. President Trump did nothing wrong. They. still say this. President Trump did. nothing wrong. Their attorney says, "President Trump, Donald Trump's the. only one that helped us." And guess. what? That came out in the Epstein files. that he reported Jeffrey Epstein. >> So like, but Donald Trump is fighting. it. President Trump is fighting it.

President Trump is yelling at me. President The White House is putting. pressure on Nancy Mace. Um, they take. Lauren Boowart in a skiff. I don't even. know what they said to her in there. They they are attacking Thomas Massie. non-stop attacking Thomas Massie. And. then one day I get a phone call from the. president in September and he is so mad. at me and he's yelling at me and he's. angry at me and the fact that he's like, "You're supporting Rand Paul Jr. and. he's chewing me out for signing my name. on Thomas Massiey's discharge petition.

to release the Epstein files." And I'm. trying to tell him, "Mr. president, they. say you did nothing wrong. This needs to. come out. And so we're having this. argument and he tells me on this phone. call, he's like, "Marjorie, my friends. will get hurt.". >> That's it. So if it wasn't already. abundantly clear that Donald Trump is. full of when he says he's got. nothing to hide. Don't take it from me. Take it from the woman who was so close. with Trump that he was literally her. entire brand. Now, back to the Clintons.

Look, I want to make one thing. abundantly clear. If they have done. something wrong, anything wrong, they. should 100% be held to account. My. political ideology is not blind. devotion, blind feelalty to any. individual. This is not a cult of. personality, nor should it be, and they. should be forced to testify. I'm. actually in favor of compelling them to. go before Congress to discuss what they. know. Not just because it is the morally. correct position, but because it then. creates a precedent where all former.

presidents and their family members. who've had associations with Jeffrey. Epstein can be compelled to answer. questions under oath in front of. Congress. And nobody should be above the. law, regardless of political party, regardless of position within that. political party. As Roana says, we need. to eliminate the Epstein class. But I do. have to say, taking a step back here, it. is objectively amazing that Donald Trump. tried so hard to diffuse attention off. of himself by pointing to the perpetual. scapegoat on the right, the Clintons,

who are now shouting from the rooftops. that Trump himself is engaged in a. coverup. So, in retrospect, maybe not. the best scapegoat for Donald Trump to. be pointing everybody's attention to at. the end of the day. You're watching No. Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen. Next up are. my interviews with Jamie Raskin, Robert. Garcia, and Liz Oyer. No lie is brought. to you by Shopify. Starting something. new isn't just hard, it's scary. So much. work goes into this thing that you're. not entirely sure is going to work out. And it can be hard to make that leap of. faith. Trust me, I know. When I started.

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screen. >> The American people need to know this. They are talking about Epstein today. This has been around since the Obama. administration. This administration. released over 3 million pages of. documents. Over three million. And. Donald Trump signed that law to release. all of those documents. He is the most. transparent president in the nation's. history. And none of them none of them.

ask Merrick Garland over the last four. years one word about Jeffrey Epstein. How ironic is that? You know why? Because Donald Trump, the Dow, the Dow. right now is over the Dow is over. $50,000. I don't know why you're. laughing. You're a great stock trader as. I hear Raskin. The Dow is over 50,000. right now. >> So, Congressman, that was Pam Bondi. basically crashing out over the fact.

that people dared to ask her questions. about Epstein when the Dow is over. 50,000. And she actually uh referred. back to you because you were, it seems, rightfully laughing at the fact that Pam. Bondi's deflection attempt here was to. say that we couldn't that we can't. answer any questions about Epstein when. the Dow is so high. Can I have your. reaction to what it was like when that. moment took place? >> Well, I warned her before we started in. my opening that we were not going to. tolerate her changing the subject, filibustering,

insulting uh members, uh engaging in ad. hominemum attacks in order to eat up our. time. We only get five minutes a piece. and we each had about five hours of. questions for Pam Bondi about all of the. corruption and lawlessness engulfing the. Department of Justice. So, uh, as you. know, as all of America now knows and. can see, uh, she didn't answer any of. our questions. She dodged pretty much. every substantive question there was, certainly from the Democrats and many.

from the Republicans, including from. Thomas Massie. Um, and she would. literally just change the subject. So, you would ask her about what she's doing. to um make amends with the Epstein. victims whose privacy rights were. violated because Pam Bondi published. their names, phone numbers, addresses, and private information. um in the published materials when she. was under strict orders to redact all of. that. And then she would talk about how. great the DAO is. And she's the attorney.

general. She's not the governor of the. Fed. And of course, whatever. they don't. have anything to do um with the economy. Certainly when when jobs are being lost, when the economy is crashing, they. pretend they have nothing to do with it, but only when it's going up, they want. to take credit for it. So, in any event, um yeah, that I think that uh she may. have gotten her insults mixed up. She. arrived with a uh a burn book, I think. they call it, with all of the insults. compiled for each of the members. And uh. I am not a stock trader. Um, I believe.

that I have just mutual funds from the. days when I was a law professor. So, I. think she must have confused those with. insults she had been preparing for. somebody else. But she also did remember. to call me, I think, a washedup loser. lawyer. Uh, I didn't hear that exactly. If I had heard it, I would have said, "No, actually, uh, I'm a washedup loser. law professor." But in any event, um, you know, she was just filled with. insults and complete distractions from.

what we were there to talk about. the. massive invasion of people's civil. rights and civil liberties taking place. in Minneapolis and around the country. and uh her outrageous. um betrayal of all of the Epstein. victims and uh her obstinate refusal to. do anything to prosecute the multitude. of crimes that are so clearly present. there. And and that's a part I want to. dig into here because she said uh while. she was testifying that that she that. she would, you know, pleading basically.

with any survivors or anybody with. information to come to the DOJ that they. would welcome these people with open. arms, there were an entire rowsworth of. survivors seated behind her. And when. when they were asked point blank if the. DOJ had reached out to them or even. responded to their overtures to the DOJ. that they had all been ignored. And so, how are the how do you square those two. things when you when you say out of one. side of your mouth that you want uh that. that you're seeking out this information. that would help get to the bottom of. these crimes, but then when you have.

people who have that information, you. basically close your door to them. >> Right. It's perfectly clear to me now. that we are living through uh one of the. greatest, if not the greatest coverups. of American history. And it goes all the. way back to Alex Acasta, who was later. made the secretary of labor for Donald. Trump. But um when he was the US. attorney in the southern district of. Florida, there was a 60 count federal 60. federal count indictment ready to go. against Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn.

Maxwell and other co-conspirators for. this massive international child sex. trafficking ring. Um, and then suddenly. it got thrown overboard for one count of. state solicitation to prostitution with. the sweetest of sweetheart plea bargains. of all time where Jeffrey Epstein took. uh one year, but it wasn't one year in. jail or in prison. Um he was free for 12. hours during the day and he would go and.

spend the night down at the county. facility. Um and was free to continue. frolicking with all of his criminal. games during the daytime. Uh and then. meantime there was a nonprosecution. agreement made for a lot of other people. who were involved in his orbit. That was. the beginning of this outrageous double. standard of justice that we've seen for. Epstein and what a lot of my colleagues. are calling the Epstein class of rich. and powerful men who seem to be able to.

get away with everything. And uh there. were Republicans in there and there were. Democrats in there. The difference is. the Democrats are saying let the chips. fall where they may. Um, all of those. crimes should be identified and. prosecuted. And anybody who raped uh an. underage girl should be going to prison. Anybody who participated in human. trafficking should be going to prison. regardless of political party. You will. never hear the Republicans except for. Thomas Massie and one or two others say. that because for them, Donald Trump is.

by definition always innocent or as he. said today, 100% exonerated. >> Right. Congressman, have you had the. opportunity to go look at I would say. the unredacted files, but from all of. the reporting and everything I've heard. from your colleagues, they're they're. largely not unredacted. But have you had. the opportunity to go through and look? >> Yeah, I think because I'm local here, right near DC in Maryland, I think I was. the first person to get over there and I. spent four or five hours there. >> So, in your in your um in your time that.

you've spent looking over these files, did anything strike you? Was there. anything that that you hadn't known. before? any any information that you can. share on the existence of. co-conspirators? >> Well, there are a couple of interesting. things that I will share with you, but I. do want to start with the big picture. here, Brian, which is I want you to. think about the various levels of. redaction and evasion that are taking. place. First of all, there are six. million documents and Pam Bondi said, "We're just going to show you three. million." 3 million of the others are uh.

duplicative. Well, if they're. duplicative, just release them. But any. event, we know they're not duplicative. because a number of the victims said. they were looking for their the memos, the the prosecutorial memos of their. original victim statements, and they're. not in there. So, those have been. withheld along with a number of other. government documents, including the. original trial memorandum that had been. written by the Department of Justice. They've suppressed that. So, they're. hiding a lot of stuff there. So, that's.

the first level. Actually, let me start. again. The first level is really. everything that's been destroyed. Anything that's been destroyed or just. disappeared is the first level. Then. we've got the stuff that still exists, but they don't want us to see. And so. that's part of the 3 million documents. they're not showing us. Then we get to. the 3 million documents that they've. shown us, but 200,000 pages of those. have been partially or completely. redacted. Entire pages that are just. blacked out, deleted out. Okay. Um and.

remember there was one instruction which. is delete or redact only the names of. the survivors. They failed to do that. They released uh names, addresses, phone. numbers and identifying information from. more than 100 of the survivors. But. meantime they redacted the names and. identifying information of lots of. criminals, potential co-conspirators, enablers, accompllices um and so on. So,

um, there are tons of redactions in here. and they've set this up like some kind. of video game. This is not a game. We. passed a law compelling them to release. all of the information. But from Donald. Trump on down, they are determined to. keep us from seeing all of the material. >> Now, the second part of that question, are are there was there anything. striking that you found you hadn't known. before? So, I punched in the name Trump. or Donald or Don, which came up with. more than a million. I don't know if.

every Donald or Don that was uh flagged. was necessarily Donald or Donald Trump, but there is a lot of Donald Trump. through these files. Okay, the first. file that appeared for me was an email. that Donald Trump was, and remember this. one was redacted. So, I got the. unredacted version. Okay, this email was. from Donald was from Jeffrey Epstein to. Gla Maxwell and he's forwarding an email. from Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers to. Jeffrey Epstein. The lawyers said that.

there was going to be a deposition of. Donald Trump that got switched over to a. 20inut interview. This is back in 2019. They gave a synopsis. uh record of what was discussed there. and the paragraph said something. effectively to this point which is um. Trump saying that Epstein was not a. member of Mara Lago but he was a guest.

at Mara Lago and no he was never sent. away and so the Epstein team seemed to. be pleased by this. Whether or not it. was true, I don't know if he was sent. away and Trump decided to lie about it. then or he wasn't sent away and he told. the truth about it. Who knows? But we do. know that whichever is the case, it is. the opposite of what Donald Trump is. saying now because he is claiming that. he did in fact send Epstein away and. somehow exiled him and expelled him um.

from Mara Lago and his estate and that. is at odds with what was recorded at. least in this memo. So, there's a lot of. rich stuff in there, but I think that. we're not going to find the direct we're. certainly not going to find any direct. evidence of crimes by Donald Trump. because I'm sure that's the first thing. that that team of 10,000 FBI agents were. looking for when they went to scrub. everything clear of Donald Trump's name. >> You know, we we have enough evidence now. of the existence of these. co-conspirators. Um, for example, I.

spoke with Congressman Roana and he had. searched first and foremost for that. email that was sent um from the child. sex trafficking unit um uh years and. years back about the existence of 10. co-conspirators. So, there are. co-conspirators uh that are that are uh. alluded to in the Epstein files. I also. spoke with Congressman Robert Garcia. yesterday and he spoke about the fact. that there were also recruiters um in. the Epstein files that are now that are. now coming to the surface. So if there.

are the existence of these. co-conspirators and more information is. obviously going to come out. How does. Cash Patel and Todd Blanch get off. saying that there are there is nobody. else that Jeffrey Epstein just. trafficked more than a thousand girls to. nobody when we know based on what we've. seen from these files that those people. do indeed exist. >> Right. They're they're basically saying. that there were two people who committed. crimes. Gain Maxwell and Jeffrey. Epstein. Yeah. And they ran a billion.

dollar global child sex trafficking ring. with no customers. no accompllices, no. co-conspirators, and so on. I mean, it's. absurd. It's ridiculous. But obviously, everybody on the government team uh has. signed up for the Trump Orthodoxy to try. to make the whole thing go away. And. what exactly is he afraid of? Well, there are different theories out there, but there's no hard proof yet. But it. will come to light exactly what it is. that Donald Trump is trying to sabotage. with all of these moves uh to complicate.

and undermine an investigation. Congressman, you were uh a. constitutional law professor prior to to. becoming a member of Congress, and so. you'd be able to speak to this um this. little bit of history better than I. think anybody would. But as it relates. to the Watergate coverup, how could how. could those how could that situation be. analogous to what we're seeing right now. in the aftermath of the Trump. administration? Well, uh, I mean, the Watergate looks.

like a a Cub Scout prank compared to. what we're living through right now. I. mean we are seeing the most. thoroughgoing systematic attack on the. constitution, the bill of rights, the. separation of powers, individual uh. liberty and freedom that we've seen in. the country essentially since um uh you. know the days of uh civil war and uh. slavery where you know part of the. country was literally at war with. freedom for another part of the country. and but that's kind of where we are now.

where if you're on Trump's team then You. can get away with any manner of. corruption and self-enrichment, but if. you're considered an opponent, they will. try to use the full force of the federal. government against you. But in terms of. the consequences for the people. involved, um like the, you know, the the. attorney general, for example, during. the Nixon era, um how can how can that. situation inform where we are right now? because I think a lot of people are. seeing all of this stuff play out and. seeing criminal activity take place and.

that would be bad enough unto itself. that there's no accountability for the. people who committed these crimes, but. there's another layer of criminality in. that people at at the top of the DOJ, you know, are are participating in a. cover up and and by the way, defying the. law while they're doing so. I mean, the. Epstein the Epstein Files Transparency. Act mandated that all these files be. released over a month a almost two. months ago at this point, December 18th, and here we are. And so, you know, on so. many different levels, we're seeing laws. being broken. But how could this the the.

situation during Watergate be. instructive for what we're seeing right. now? >> Well, Richard Nixon's attorney general. did go to jail for covering up and. entering uh as a complicit partner in. criminality. The difference today, of. course, is that Trump has completely. corrupted and contaminated the the. entire Department of Justice and also. the uh judiciary. So that um he's got a. get out of jail free card with Trump. versus United States, the Supreme the.

Roberts court's decision on presidential. immunity that Richard Nixon could only. have dreamed of. I mean, that would have. been in his wildest dreams that he would. have something like that. So, uh, there, you know, there certainly is some. historical precedent for the attorney. general being held to account. Um, and. one can only hope that it would happen. here, but Donald Trump has proven he is. willing to absolutely go to the mats. like a mob boss and issue pardons to. everybody um, and to use the protection.

of the Roberts court as much as. possible. On the other hand, uh, he's. massively unpopular. He's sinking in the. polls. Um, Democrats are winning all. over the country and there is a renewed. pressure to re to vindicate our. Constitution and our Bill of Rights. And. that's the struggle that we're in. We're. in the fight of our lives right now. >> Last question here. You actually made an. unannounced visit to an ICE facility in. Baltimore. So, we're we're switching.

topics a little bit. Can you tell me. about that unannounced visit? because. everything I've heard thus far from. members of Congress is that any. unannounced visits have been have been. rebuffed by by these ICE agents and and. that members of Congress have been. denied entry um illegally uh of course. but that's not stopped this. administration and uh and the DHS from. from doing that anyway. Can you talk. about your visit? >> Well, 13 members of the House brought a. lawsuit. Uh Joe Nugus was first. So, it's Goose versus Ice um to vindicate.

our rights to show up unannounced at an. ICE facility to conduct oversight. And. that is a right that is written into. federal law. So, we went to court to uh. guarantee that that right would be. enforced and we won. So, I took a copy. of Noose versus ICE with me to. Baltimore. Uh the staff people were. actually uh very decent and very. forthcoming. But what I saw there was. scandalous. Um this is uh an office.

building where one floor has been. converted into holding cells. And I saw. um in one room that I would not try to. fit more than 20 people in for uh you. know a lunch. Um I saw 60 men packed. together shouldertoshoulder. They're. they're there 24/7. It's not even like a. prison where you get an hour to walk. around. So, you're in there as long as. you're in there. Uh it seems like the.

average length is three days, but some. people are in there six days or seven. days. There's one toilet and there is no. shower and they sleep like sardines. on uh the with aluminum foil blankets on. the floor. Um, and you know, Pam Bondi. uh has tens of billions of dollars in. surplus money that they're engaged in. all kinds of inside deals with with all. of uh the Trump people. In meantime, we're holding human beings um like.

cattle pressed together like sardines. um just thrown together up against each. other under really unhealthy and. unsanitary conditions that uh are liable. to make a lot of people sick. Um and um. you know, I don't know if I was the. first member allowed to go that far. because I was brandishing our court. decision. I may have been. Um, I wasn't. allowed to speak to the men, but I was. able to, you know, press up against uh.

the windows and the walls of where they. were being, um, held. And they were. gesturing to me that there was no. shower, there was no water uh, that they. could get. They were pointing to the one. toilet, the one open toilet over in the. corner. And we're talking about dozens. and dozens of men in there. Uh, there. were there was a a women's cell where. there were about 33 uh, women. So that. seemed to be slightly more civilized, but I was amazed when the staff people.

told me that that room that I saw with. 60 people could accommodate uh more than. 50 others. >> To that end, we are right now in a. moment where DHS funding is going to run. out if Republicans don't agree to some. conditions being uh proposed by. Democrats. Can you talk about where where that. process is right now? Because we are. like on the brink of DHS running running. out of their funding, but but what would. that actually mean in practice? Because.

ICE, thanks to the one big beautiful. bill, does have funding for years if I'm. not mistaken. >> Right. And um you know, since I spent. the afternoon up at the ICE facility, I've not caught up with the whatever the. most recent news is, but people are. prepared for the possibility of uh an. ice shutdown. as you're saying, they're. swimming in cash. I mean, that there's. no place in the federal government. better funded than them with the. possible exception of the Department of. Defense, the Pentagon. Um, but they have. tons of money and uh who knows uh what.

they decide to do in terms of what they. keep open and what they don't. And uh. >> in that case they they sacrifice TSA. agents and make it as inconvenient for. American travelers as possible so that. they can say the Democrats caused this. big ICE shutdown. Meanwhile, the you. know the people who are actually abusing. their offices, abusing their positions. of power, which are these ICE agents, they'll continue their operations. completely, you know, unabated and uh.

and and meanwhile Republicans get to run. a PR campaign against the left. >> Well, you got it. And you know, I've. spoken to some Republicans about this. and I've said it's time for a reset. You. guys have got to deal with the reality. of the situation. And I think their way. of dealing it with it is to say, well, we'll withdraw from Minneapolis. And. some of their some of them are asserting. that, well, maybe Secretary Gnome will. leave and she'll be replaced um with. Hman instead. Well, of course, that's. unsatisfactory to us. We want to see.

systemic structural changes starting. with uh masks off and cameras on so we. can find out what's going on. So there's. identifying uh information uh about ICE. agents so they're not the only police or. law enforcement force in the country. that's walking around masked like a. paramilitary force in an authoritarian. dictatorship. And we've got to end that. But there are a whole lot of other. things that we need to make sure are. happening too. And that's what our. friends in the Senate are fighting for. >> Right. Right. And I would add qualified. immunity, too, because we have seen that.

look, there there's no shortage of video. footage showing what these ICE agents. are doing. And in fact, we know the. identities of the ICE agents. That's not. stopping any from anybody from doing. what they're doing. Um, what will stop. them is is some some real deterrent uh, you know, some real deterrence and and. and criminal consequences, but but right. now they're they're basically largely. blocked from that because of qualified. immunity. So I I hope that among the the. conditions that are being imposed that. qualified immunity is right there. alongside taking off masks and and.

mandating the the the use of those. bodywn cameras. >> Absolutely. Federal agents of all kinds. including ICE have to be liable and. responsible for their actions just like. state and local police officers. And. we've got to make sure that they are. criminally liable where they engage in. criminal action and also civily liable. to torts so that uh the government pays. for actions that they're uh instructed. to undertake that end up injuring uh. citizens. And so there has to be relief.

for the families of all these people. being wounded, injured, and killed uh. like the Pratty family, like the Renee. Good family, and so on. >> We'll leave it there. Congressman. Raskin, as always, thanks so much for. taking the time. >> You bet. >> I'm joined by the ranking member of the. House Oversight Committee, Robert. Garcia. Congressman, thanks for joining. me. >> Sure thing. >> So, you've had the opportunity to review. the unredacted or largely unredacted. Epstein files, at least more unredacted. than we've seen thus far. You have some. news to offer here in terms of what you.

saw. Can you explain what that is? >> Yeah, I mean, look, I think um we we've. got a lot of great information coming. in. And I think one of the things that I. saw today and we were able to acquire is. we now have a a much better. understanding of who the recruiters were. that were working for Epstein that. actually worked to recruit and traffic. uh the women uh and girls. uh there is a. list of of names uh of folks that were. doing that work for Epstein which we. didn't have a complete list before and. we think that we've been able to acquire.

through these files a pretty good. significant uh group of them and which. now we have of course um information. that we're going to seek out and try to. find um and really understand what they. know who they were working for and how. they got all their money and so that was. a pretty significant find for us today. The the other thing that was really um. interesting is we have this interview le. next week with uh Les Wexer who. basically provided Jeffrey Epstein with. um significant amounts of money. Almost. all the money that he received early on. was from this billionaire who of course. ran Victoria's Secret and other things.

learned an enormous amount today about. their relationship which was quite. bizarre. There's a lot of accusations. about their relationship and um how. close they were and what actually Wexner. was paying for and how Epstein got his. money. And so I think that's something. that when we depose Wexter next week, he's going to be asked some very direct. questions. about his relationship with Epstein, what he paid for, and why he gave. Epstein that money. Uh, and so I think. that's going to be pretty significant.

and something that u we learned a lot. about today in just our review of those. files today. Now, in terms of these rec. recruiters, because we've not heard. anything in the news about this thus. far, this is the uh this is new now as. the result of of what you've seen um in. your in your looking over of these. files. Were those how expansive was this. network of recruiters and were they. recruiting wittingly or unwittingly? >> So, I think that's something that we're. discovering. So I think what's what's. happened is there is now clearly there. was a group of recruiters.

Um many were women. Uh some were also. it's important to note were actually. had been victimized themselves and then. became uh recruiters for Epstein. So. they were still living through trauma. and and still experiencing that kind of. terror. Um, others were working directly. for Epstein and causing massive harm and. recruiting uh and searching and. trafficking uh and in some cases.

coercing uh these women and these girls. Some some of this was happening at Mara. Lago were happening through beauty. pageantss were happening from bringing. women over from from from Europe. And so. there was there's a whole network of. recruiters. we had not seen a complete. list or at least a list that we could. verify uh until uh the last day or two. And so now that we have that list, we. have a lot of questions and a lot of. leads because they they know a lot of. information. So that's going to be.

important for us for this investigation. >> Are you able to confirm if there was. even one recruiter who was doing so. wittingly? I think that, you know, I don't want to. get ahead of the investigation, but I. think it's I think the answer to that is. clearly yes. >> Okay. So then if the answer is yes to. that question, then how could Cash. Mattel and Todd Blanch have both come. out previously and said that there were. no other co-conspirators involved in all. of this? If at the DOJ's disposal, it. had access to information that shows.

that clearly there were there were other. people involved in this. I mean, first I. and and there there's other people. involved with this even just outside of. those that were doing the the. recruiting, right? I mean, that's just a. boldfaced lie. I mean, there are other. folks and I separate that, I saw other. names in um today and and others have. seen him in the last few days of other. wealthy, powerful men that we were. investigating um that clearly uh there. that leads us to ask questions. It's. clearly that they should be looked at.

for possible prosecution. And in. addition to that, what I'm most. concerned about is not what we have. access to, but what we don't have access. to. Half of the files, 50% of them, we. don't have uh and and and what we do. have are still overly redacted. So even. the files that have been um unredacted. contain enormous redactions. So it's. it's really what we haven't seen yet. that we know that the some of the most. damning, salacious and and and dangerous.

information to people in power are is. the information that we have yet to see. that we have yet to have access to. And. so look, Cash Patel is lying from what. we know so far. Clearly there is um. there's a lot to go after. Those that. engage in the in the in the recruitment. and trafficking and in the grooming of. of girls and women need to be held. accountable and we have a lot of. questions there. >> Is there any commitment by this DOJ to. continue releasing the files? Because.

from the statements that we've heard, especially from Todd Blanch, it seems. like this is it. Like this is the best. you're going to get. Yeah, there's three. million files that haven't been revealed. yet, but but you know, make do with what. you've got. No, there's no commitment. In fact, they've said that that they're done, which is just BS. I mean, there's. there's there's no way the American. public aren't done till we get the. truth. We're not done. There's no. scenario we're going to sit here and. say, "Oh, you just gave us 50% of the. files." And of course, we know that 50%. of them you have kept. >> to yourself, right? There's no there's.

just no way that we're done. And in. fact, we're going to continue to push. while we're in the minority. We have. limited ability, of course, to subpoena. and get information. But if it means we. have to wait till November, I I I don't. want to do that. But when we win back. this this majority and we get the. ability to actually get these documents. unredacted, we're going to do so. We're. going to get closure for the victims. Whether that happens now or happens in. the future, the DOJ should understand. that the survivors deserve it right now. We shouldn't wait.

How is it going to be that even if. Democrats retake the majority, have. subpoena power, that they can compel the. DOJ to even hand over documents, recognizing that the authority who would. ultimately be be in charge of enforcing. this would be the DOJ itself? >> I think we'd be able to craft uh. subpoenas in a way that would ensure we. got the documents. And I think that, you. know, the the DOJ is producing. information and then those that should. be that are are approving the the the.

the way it's being put out and released. is essentially the House Republican. majority. I mean, uh, James Comr on many. occasions will uh allow, for example, former FBI and DOJ officials to not get. deposed. He'll put a subpoena out and. then say, "Oh, you can just submit a a. written statement saying you don't know. anything." That's not enough. >> Yeah. I I we want those people in front. of the of the committee. We want them in. front of oversight to move and ask them. questions to depose them. So, I think.

the the power of of the majority and the. ability to investigate fully is is is. serious. And so, there will be a lot. we'll be able to do. Um but also, it's. going to mean continue to pushing. getting the rest of these files from the. Department of Justice. Is there a world. where any Department of Justice. officials up to and including the. attorney general control their personal. legal liability by continuing to. suppress files that the law mandates. have to be released? Or or um you know. if if we get to a point where Democrats. are in the majority and they issue these. subpoenas and the subpoenas are are. flouted that you know in the aftermath.

of all of this when she's no longer in. charge of the DOJ when this. administration's out of office that they. can shoulder personal legal liability. >> I mean yes. I I mean that's absolutely I. mean one PM Bondi right now should be. held in contempt. She should not be the. attorney general. Of course she should. be removed or resigned and and folks. understand this especially at the DOJ. that anyone can be prosecuted for a. cover up as well. >> Yeah. >> And so I think you know I think folks. are on notice. I think they understand. that they don't want to be involved in. defying Congress or covering up an.

investigation or or or or facts. And so. we're going to be very serious and and I. hope that that they understand that. we're gonna be very serious in that. work. And I think there I've mentioned. this before there's a lot of FBI agents. and DOJ agents that are good civil. servants that have seen a lot of. information and uh you know when when. they are ready and when they feel that. they have protection. Um a lot of them. want to want to talk and they want to be. honest. Right now there's Ronnie's. created a culture of fear and of.

retribution. And so we've got to be very. thoughtful and careful about um how we. put out some of that information. >> Last question here. One of those uh uh. uh law enforcement officials uh who's. since been fired was Moren Comey, who. was actually in charge of the whole. investigation uh uh into the prosecution. of Gain Maxwell. And she was fired just. before Todd Blanch went for his his, you. know, undercover visit with uh with Gla. Maxwell for two days where she was. subsequently rewarded with a with a move. from her regular prison that she was in.

in Florida to a low security prison in. Texas. And so is there going to be an. opportunity for for Democrats on uh on. the oversight committee, for example, to. call Moren Comey in to testify? And how. will you do that recognizing that the. DOJ will try to shield her testimony by. claiming that you know any information. she tries to give is privileged? >> Uh yeah, I mean the the answer is yes. We will be able to um put forward some. of these subpoenas. Uh we'll definitely. fight the DOJ on some of those issues. Look, I think that um the DOJ is making.

a lot of claims. Some of these some some. of their their their claims or their. their filings around privilege. I think. we're going to have to challenge in. certain unique ways, including in the. courts. Yeah. And so I think at the end. of the day, we're going to compel folks. that we subpoena to testify in front of. the Congress, and that includes DOJ. officials. >> All right. Well, we will leave it there. Uh, thank you as always for the work. that you're doing there, and thanks for. taking the time today. >> Thanks, Brian. >> I'm joined now by the pardon attorney. under President Biden, Liz Oyer. Thanks. so much for joining me. >> Thanks for having me, Brian. So, we we. had some new news here as it relates to.

the prospect of a pardon for Galain. Maxwell that she basically came out and. said that she's willing to clear Trump's. name if only clemency is on the table. First off, is there any anything. restricting Trump's ability to grant. pardons, even if it's so overtly corrupt. as this one would be? >> Nothing other than the president's. conscience restricts his ability to. grant a pardon. It's an unfettered power. in the constitution that the president. has total discretion to exercise however. he sees fit.

>> So in this instance, I mean, can I have. your reaction then to hearing uh to. hearing that kind of quid proquo made. out in public at the hands of uh or from. the mouth of of Gain Maxwell? Yeah, it's. really shocking, Brian. The idea that. she is trying to trade clemency for. exoneration of President Trump related. to Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking of. children is something unprecedented in. the use of pardon power throughout. history. Presidents generally don't give.

any serious consideration to pardoning. people who have committed crimes that. involve the sexual exploitation of. children. But Donald Trump has. repeatedly said that he will not rule. out the possibility of granting clemency. to Glenn Maxwell. And that seems to have. emboldened her and her attorney to. really make this pitch to essentially do. a deal with Donald Trump where she would. get clemency in exchange for giving. testimony that exonerates him, according. to her lawyer. Well, in theory,

shouldn't any information about. accompllices or co-conspirators that the. DOJ might be hoping to gain access to by. virtue of giving Galain Maxwell. clemency? Like, doesn't all of that. information already uh exist within the. Epstein files? And so, going through. this whole process of granting clemency. to Galain Maxwell would just offer. information to the DOJ that's already at. their fingertips if they would just look. at it. Well, having witnesses who will. testify about events that they. personally observed is always valuable.

in addition to documents. The Epstein. files create uh contain a great deal of. documentary evidence and also statements. collected by the FBI, but it certainly. is always helpful to an investigation to. have witnesses who are willing to. corroborate what's in documents and. provide a fuller picture of what was. going on. Glenn Maxwell, however, is not. a good witness because she has zero. credibility whatsoever. She has made it. very clear that she is willing to say. whatever is in her own personal.

interest. She's somebody who has been. convicted of conspiring with Jeffrey. Epstein to engage in the sex trafficking. of children. She's serving a 20-year. prison sentence, and she's made it clear. that she will say or do whatever it. takes to get out from under that prison. sentence. And there's just no way under. those circumstances that we could give. any weight or any credibility to. anything that she might say. >> Doesn't it also seem a little bit. counterintuitive when you've got. somebody who is Epstein's right-hand.

man, like the principal co-conspirator. to his crimes to release that person in. hopes, and look, I understand the idea. of having cooperating witnesses if it. means you can nab other people, but. generally it goes the opposite. direction. Gen generally you'll give. somebody um you know uh immunity if they. can help you nab a bigger fish. But. Glain Maxwell is the biggest fish that's. alive right now. And so it doesn't it. seem um uh counterintuitive to release. that person in hopes of maybe getting. somebody below her in this chain?

>> It's very counterintuitive. There is. really no legitimate reason to even. consider granting Glenn Maxwell clemency. at this point in time. And the fact that. we've even gotten this far down the path. of having a serious discussion about it. really just illustrates how. dysfunctional the justice system is. right now and this current. administration is. I want to kind of. step back to where this all started. This started when Donald Trump was. reelected and installed his personal.

defense attorneys in highlevel positions. at the Justice Department. As of January. 20, when Donald Trump was inaugurated. last year, Glenn Maxwell was serving a. 20-year prison sentence in a facility. for sex offenders, and she was likely to. spend potentially the rest of her life. there. She's in her 60s, but suddenly. she's in a minimum security prison. And. we're talking about the possibility of. her getting out from under the prison. sentence entirely through clemency. because of what Todd Blanch, Donald.

Trump's personal criminal defense. attorney, has been doing behind the. scenes. Blanch himself went to the. prison where Maxwell was housed in. Florida, the prison that houses sex. offenders, met with her over the course. of two days, which is highly unusual, with a new lawyer who stepped in to. represent Maxwell, who happens to be a. personal friend of Todd Blanch. And. after she spent two days answering their. questions, she was transferred to a. minimum security prison camp in Texas, where she has greater privileges and.

freedom of movement. This is the type of. move that only the deputy attorney. general could have approved because sex. offenders are not allowed to be housed. in prison camps in the federal system. So clearly Todd Blanch intervened there. Todd Blanch appears to have intervened. to set her up with this lawyer who's a. personal friend of Blanch's. And now. this lawyer David Marcus is aggressively. lobbying for clemency on her behalf by. appealing personally to Donald Trump and. offering the possibility of exonerating.

him. This looks like a very corrupt. transaction that is being put together. behind the scenes by Donald Trump's. fixer, his personal defense attorney, Todd Blanch, who now just happens to be. the deputy attorney general essentially. running the day-to-day operations of the. Justice Department. >> You know, we saw this morning uh during. Pam Bondi's testimony, she was asked. point blank about the prospect of. pardoning Gain Maxwell. Here's what that. interaction looked like. Should Donald. Trump pardon or commute her sentence?

Should she be released from prison? Yes. or no? >> You said you hope she dies there, so I'm. hoping the answer is no. >> I already answered that question. >> Good. I'm very glad. I really like this. bipartisan agreement about agreement. with you. But you don't want to talk. about Ireina Zerutska. You don't want to. talk about. >> I talk about all the time violent crime, but I am not here to testify before. Congress. You are. That is your job. today. That's what you're getting.

>> with attacking. Um I want you to know that your your. your own um DOJ employee, he's recently. been demoted and had some other. problems, advises on pardons. Do you. think he will be advising Mr. Trump on. any kind of clemency or pardon for. Golain Maxwell. >> I am not going to speculate and you. couldn't even identify properly. That's. why you don't want to talk about Ireina.

Zerutska. You couldn't. So, in that. interaction, I mean, she refused to rule. it out and and of course, she doesn't. want to step on Donald Trump's toes. because there clearly exists the. possibility right now that that Trump is. considering pardoning her because he too. refuses to rule out uh a pardon for. Glenn Maxwell. Um, can I have your. reaction to to seeing, you know, that. that interaction with Pam Bondi where. she was asked point blank about the. prospect of pardoning somebody who she. had previously said should die in. prison, now refusing to give uh as clear. an answer.

Yeah, it's not surprising that she. wouldn't rule it out because I think. everybody knows by now that Donald Trump. makes these decisions about who to. pardon on a whim without consulting the. appropriate people. It would not be the. first situation in which Donald Trump. failed to consult the leadership of the. Justice Department before making a. decision to grant a pardon. There have. been many cases in which he has undercut. ongoing prosecutions of his own justice. department by granting pardons. So Pam. Bondi could easily be blindsided by a.

pardon and so she doesn't want to rule. out the possibility. But the Justice. Department does have a set of standards. in place for when a pardon is. appropriate to be recommended to the. president. And there is not one single. factor circumstance of Glenn Maxwell's. situation that meets those criteria for. a pardon. She is exactly the type of. person who should not receive a pardon. So the idea that, you know, the attorney. general can't rule rule it out is really. quite it's quite out of the ordinary. >> Can I have your general reaction to what.

we've heard from now both Todd Blanch. and Cash Battel? This idea that nobody. else was involved, that Jeffrey Epste. was apparently running a sex trafficking. ring where they traffic girls to no one, nowhere. Um, and and that's now been. undercut by what we've seen from the. Epstein files themselves, which is. thanks to Roana and Thomas Massie, there. have been at least six names that have. been revealed, including one American, including one Sultan from some Middle. Eastern country. Um, and and that's just.

in two hours of them having some access. to the unredacted Epstein files. We we. now we also know based on a document. that was released a few months back that. there were 10 co-conspirators that. prosecutors within the DOJ were talking. about. And so in direct conflict with. what we've now heard from Todd Blanch. and Cash Patel, just your reaction to to. the dichotomy of of what we're hearing. from these DOJ officials to what we're. seeing un unearthed in the Epstein. files. It is quite bizarre and frankly.

inappropriate that the director of the. FBI and the deputy attorney general. would rule out the possibility that. there are other criminal co-conspirators. without conducting any investigation. Cash Patel has not done any additional. investigation. Todd Blanch has not done. any additional investigation. They. instead are saying, "Well, this arose. during a prior administration and nobody. else was charged then." That's really. missing the point. It's absolutely true. that this is a a case and an issue that.

goes back several presidential. administrations. The fact that Jeffrey. Epstein got this plea agreement from the. Justice Department in the first instance. from this US attorney Alex Aosta who. signed off on a very lenient plea. agreement. I mean that that's that's a. terrible travesty. That is a miscarriage. of justice. But that doesn't mean that. it's not incumbent upon the. administration that is currently in. power to do what they can to make it. right. but they're not interested in. doing additional investigation. It seems.

likely that they don't want to keep. digging because there are so many people. in Donald Trump's orbit that would. potentially be implicated. Not only the. president himself, but also I believe. there are at least three members of his. administration, including Howard Lutnik. and two others who are deeply implicated. in these files. And so, you know, it's. not in their political interest to dig. further or to seek justice for the. victims. And that's just it just just. wrong that that is the priority of the. director of the FBI and the deputy.

attorney general over and above seeking. justice for the victims. >> So Liz, critics are going to look at. this and say, you know what, the Biden. administration had access to all all of. these files uh for four years and yet. nothing was released. Um, and so it's. not fair to put the onus solely on. Donald Trump to have to release these. this stuff when, you know, previous. administrations have been in the same. boat. And so what's your reaction to to. that talking point that's that's being. leaned on by uh Republicans?

>> Well, I think it's fair to take a. critical look at what prior. administrations did, but it's really not. helpful to make that the main focus. The. focus now should be on the documents. that have now come to light and. investigating and holding to account. those who are culpable at this moment by. this current leadership of the Justice. Department. During the previous. administration, Glenn Maxwell was. prosecuted, convicted, sentenced to 20. years in prison. So that was a focal.

point under the Biden administration. and it's now incumbent on this. administration, which is currently in. power, to seek justice for these. victims, who have been quite outspoken. about what they want. One of the really. shocking things that came to light today. at Pam Bondi's hearing on the Hill was. that the victims have not had any. opportunity to meet with her or the. leadership of the Justice Department, and they want to. victims stood up in. the in the hearing room and said that. they had wanted to meet with the.

attorney general and were denied that. opportunity. It is the legal obligation. of the Justice Department to look out. for and protect the interests of. victims. And then the idea that the. attorney general and the deputy attorney. general would not even meet with those. women to see how they can accomplish. justice for them is really quite. shocking. Yeah, I I think that your. points are are exactly right. First of. all, this idea during the Biden. administration, um they were the DOJ was.

doing its job in prosecuting Glenn. Maxwell, who was the only remaining. survivor of this duo of Jeffrey Epste. and Glenn Maxwell because during the. previous administration, Donald Trump's. Bureau of Prisons allowed for Jeffrey. Epstein to be killed. How he was killed, I'm not sure. We, you know, that's. obviously another video for a different. day. But but the last remaining survivor. of that duo is Gla Maxwell prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced to 20 years in. prison. That that so so that was the. administration doing its job. There was. also the fact that during that.

prosecution, it's not the DOJ's uh you. know, normal course of business to just. release all of the files that ultimately. um ultimately help them in securing that. conviction. Um, but beyond that, you. know, look, I would I have loved for for. Merrick Garland to to take a more. forward-leaning posture on all of this, to have released these files, sure. But. the reality is that that, you know, looking back to previous administrations. is all well and good, but this is an. administration that built their brand on. this idea that they were going to get. transparency and accountability for the.

for the perpetrators of these crimes. And so pointing backwards is not going. to help you achieve the the goal that. you set out that Republicans set out. when they were campaigning on this. issue. And and and so I think like again. doing the whataboutism that we saw so. frequently from Pam Bondi today only. highlights the fact that this. administration was perfectly willing to. sell a bill of goods to their to their. voters and supporters on the campaign. trail because clearly they had no. intention of doing this stuff once they. got into power. >> Yeah, that's exactly right. And one fact.

that I think is particularly notable. that's kind of flown under the radar is. that the lead prosecutor in Glenn. Maxwell's case, uh, Marine Comey was. fired from the Justice Department in. July. We don't know that there weren't. additional investigations that were. going on or additional prosecutions that. were being considered. And it is quite. extraordinary that the prosecutor who. sent Glenn Maxwell to prison for 20. years was fired without any explanation.

She was undoubtedly the most. knowledgeable person in the Justice. Department about the evidence against. Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell, and. others in their orbit. Preparing for a. major federal criminal trial requires an. incredibly in-depth comprehensive. understanding of the universe of. evidence and facts. So undoubtedly. Marine Comey knew a great deal about. what evidence is out there. And the fact. that she was fired, removed from the. building just days before Todd Blanch.

went to meet with Glenn Maxwell and. interview her in person is highly. suspect. You would think that the deputy. attorney general would want the most. knowledgeable person there conducting. the interview. The normal way to. interview someone would be to have. someone who's in the weeds take the. documents and put them in front of the. witness and ask them questions and test. whether they're telling the truth. But. that's not at all what happened here. Instead, she was fired. Blanch went down. there himself and interviewed Maxwell. Showed her zero documents, asked her no.

hard questions, and you know, it really. just it stinks. It smells like some sort. of cover up that Blanch is driving to. try to protect his boss, Donald Trump. >> Last question here. Is there anything. preventing a possible Democratic le. house uh after midterms from subpoening. Moren Comey to have her testify about. what she does or doesn't know? Is there. anything that gags former prosecutors. that prevents them from speaking out. once they're no longer working for the.

DOJ? Well, typically when former Justice. Department employees or current. employees are subpoenaed to testify in. Congress, the Justice Department weighs. in on whether they believe there are. privileges that apply that would prevent. their testimony. So, the Justice. Department could take the position that. Marine Comey is bound by certain. privileges, including attorney client. privilege, not to testify to to. Congress. But in a future administration. with leadership of the Justice.

Department that might have a different. view, uh they certainly could wave any. privileges or just take the view that. there are no legitimate privileges that. apply and permit her to testify. Undoubtedly, if she's subpoenaed to. testify under this DOJ, there will be. some fights about whether she is allowed. to to talk about what happened with this. case, but it would be incredibly. informative and helpful to hear from. her. Uh Liz, for folks who are watching. right now, where can they see and hear. more from you? >> Yeah, I'm on Instagram, Tik Tok, YouTube, and Substack as lawyer Oawyer,

and I'm keeping up to date on all of. these developments, so you can follow me. there. >> Awesome. And I'm going to put the link. on the screen and also in the post. description. Liz, as always, thanks so. much for the time. >> Thanks, Brian.