BOMBSHELL: Trump crimes in Epstein files REVEALED

Congressman Tedloo just made national. headlines issuing this statement further. tying Trump to Epstein. >> So why uh are Republicans so interested. in Bill Hillary Clinton? It's because. they're trying to distract from the fact. that Donald Trump is in the Epstein. files thousands and thousands of times. In those files, there's highly. disturbing allegations of Donald Trump. raping children, of Donald Trump. threatening to kill children. So, I encourage the press to go look at.

these allegations. And I'm highly. disturbed that Deputy Attorney General. Todd Blanch just got the law wrong. Yesterday, he said essentially that it. is not a crime to party with Jeffrey. Epstein. Well, that's actually not. correct. If Jeffrey Epstein was human. trafficking minors for these sex parties. and you show up and patronize. the establishment at that party, yes,

you're guilty because patronizing is. part of the law, the federal sex. trafficking law. So, Deputy General. Tablance just got that wrong, which. maybe explains why they aren't. investigating all these folks, including. Donald Trump. He needs to read the law. and investigate these people. He also. needs to resign, not only for not. knowing the law, but a massive not only. screw- up, but the biggest privacy. violation in history. They release a lot. of pictures of minors unredacted, just.

violated the privacy of these girls. Uh. it is uncalled for what they did. The. one thing that they could not do under. this law was to invade the privacy uh of. these women now who were girls at the. time who were uh victims of sex. trafficking. Also, he met with Gain. Maxwell. Maxwell moved her to me prison. and then got a puppy for her. So, for.

all those reasons, he's just got to. leave Department of Justice. >> They need to be investigated. You're. going to hear uh in a moment in my. interview with Ted Lou, he discusses the. fact that these allegations weren't. investigated. That is a problem. And. second, if you transpose a Democrat into. Trump's shoes and there were allegations. of a Democrat committing the crimes that. Trump is accused of committing in a file. that a Democratic president refused to. release to the public, what do you think. Republicans would do? They would beat. this drum 24 hours a day, demand.

hearings, demand investigations, demand. impeachment. And by the way, they would. be right. This should not be and is not. partisan. That is why Thomas Massie and. Lauren Boowbert and Nancy Mace and. formerly Marjorie Taylor Green were all. in favor of transparency. Because this. is centered around the one thing that. Trump himself and his uh uh fellow. Republicans in his administration all. exploited when they were running for. office. This idea that there is an elite. echelon of people who can commit crimes. with impunity. And with humility, I will.

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b r i an rocketmoney.com/brien. I'm joined now by Congressman Ted Lou. Congressman, thanks for joining me. honored to be on your show. >> So, Congressman, you've pointed out in a. clip that's going viral across social. media right now that Donald Trump. himself is implicated in the Epstein. files with accusations that are beyond. heinous. Now, Todd Blash, Pam Bondi, Cash Patel have all come forward and. basically said that there's no reason to. look into the files and any. co-conspirators because they don't. exist. And so, how do you square these. two things where you have evidence.

against Donald Trump himself in these. files and yet all of these law. enforcement officials who refuse to. acknowledge objective reality? >> Absolutely. Pam Bondi and Cash Patel. lied under oath. Pat Blanch also lied, but he wasn't under oath. So lucky for. him, if you look at the Epstein files. release that's come out so far, there. are multiple documents where there's. evidence implicating Trump and not just. crimes, but deeply serious crimes. And.

so I'll just give you one example. Uh. the FBI's own internal slideshow uh that. they had, it's about 21 slides. two uh. of their allegations are about Donald. Trump committing crimes. You also have a. FBI document. It's a intake form of a. witness who called the FBI's National. Threat Operations Center. And the. witness reports that he met a girl who. directly told him that Trump and Epstein.

raped her. Department of Justice never. interviews this witness, doesn't do. followup. Now the you you had posted about this. online and DOJ's rapid response account. and and granted I take everything that. the administration especially as it. relates to the Epstein files with a. grain of salt, but they said that she. spoke with the FBI and her claims were. deemed not credible. This was all. unredacted as we said. So can I have. your reaction to the DOJ's rapid. response account?

>> Well, that's just false. So, the. document I'm referring to is a intake. form from the FBI's National Threat. Operations Center. The person making the. witness statement was a man relaying. what a girl he met had told him. This. man was also a limousine driver for. Donald Trump. Um, and he also says in. the same witness report that he. overheard Donald Trump talking to. Jeffrey on his cell phone talking about. abusing a girl and that what Donald. Trump said was so disturbing the man.

wanted to stop the limo and hurt Trump. So, this seems like a very credible. witness and the Department of Justice. never interviews him. I don't really. know what their rap response for the. Department of Justice is talking about. They're clearly talking about some other. document that I'm not referring to. Um, and again, there's the FBI's own. internal slideshow. And then there's. other documents that have been now sort. of dissected by folks who are. independent journalists and folks on. social media that show there's two other.

allegations essentially of women that. have made allegations against Donald. Trump that would have Trump basically. having sex relations with a minor. So, how does Todd Blanch get off then in. saying that there's there's no reason to. uh to investigate any of the. co-conspirators? Because there aren't. even co-conspirators. This is just. Jeffrey Epstein orchestrating a sex. trafficking ring where he traffics a. thousand girls to himself when evidence. like this exists. Well, just think how ludicrous it is.

just based on your recounting of it. The. Department of Justice has confirmed. there's over 1,000 victims of Epstein's. global pedophilia sex trafficking ring. And the Trump Department of Justice has. held zero men accountable. Yeah, it's. just a ludicrous number. And other. countries are taking this far more. seriously. France, for example, uh they. their main Paris prosecutor has uh open. an investigation, a criminal. investigation. Um they have arrested a.

uh person. And then you've got the UAE. that is also taking some serious action. Britain has right taken Prince Andrew, stripped him of his title and kicked him. out of his home. And now they're looking. at opening a criminal investigation. So. everyone is taking it seriously except. Pam Bondi, Cash Patel, and Todd Blanch. >> Less Wexner, who is one of the uh uh. accused co-conspirators within the. Epstein files, um was was interviewed. today at the House Oversight Committee.

And I know that you sit on judiciary, but as far as the reporting goes, there. wasn't a single Republican who showed up. to uh to that hearing. It was only. Democrats. And so, what is your reaction. to the fact that the Republicans. couldn't be bothered to show up for one. of the few co-conspirators who we. actually know about despite the best. efforts of the Trump administration to. hide all of this. >> other than a handful Republicans uh like. Thomas Massie? Yeah. uh and uh Lauren. Boowbert and um Nancy Mason, Anapoleon.

Luna, most of them are complicit. Uh. they are complicit in the cover up. They. don't want to talk about this and they. know that Donald Trump is implicated uh. in the Epstein files. He is in the files. over 38,000 times according to a New. York Times analysis. Other analysis have. him more than that. And you've got. multiple documents of actual witnesses. alleging firsthand of crimes that Donald.

Trump committed. And then you have the. Department of Justice not following up. in terms of what the next steps are. hopefully going to be in Congress. What. are you looking to do? Because I know. that this process is is kind of slogging. its way forward. You're not going to get. any assistance from Republicans. You're. not you're certainly not going to get. any assistance from the DOJ or the Trump. administration. So every victory here. has to be, you know, hard fought and. won. But what is the next priority in. terms of the Epstein files? >> It is super helpful that you have many.

people in America looking at these. documents. The sheer volume is. overwhelming. Over 3 million documents have been. released. So it's helpful when we get. notice of folks that say, "Hey, look at. this document. There's something really. strange here or incriminatory or. creepy." And you see that happen on. social media and on the internet. So. that is helpful. Uh in addition, the. administration is not immune to public. pressure. So the more Americans that. speak up uh that ask questions, I think.

every reporter uh should be asking Pam. Bondi and Todd Blanch uh the question of. >> are you withholding any photo, video, or. document that has Donald Trump in it in. the Epstein files? Uh and if so, why are. you withholding it? Well, my concern. here, and I'm sure this is a concern. that that you and other members of. Congress share, is that if something is. too damning as far as Trump is. concerned, that the DOJ is just going to. destroy it. And so, how can you have.

confidence that that if the DOJ does. have some smoking gun or some or some. damaging evidence that points back to. Donald Trump or any of his pals or. donors that it's actually going to it's. it's going to be retained by this DOJ? So you would hope uh that the Americans. serving in the Department of Justice who. have looked at these documents and. videos and photos uh will number one. remember what they saw uh and number two. not commit a crime and destroy them. Uh.

so that is the hope. Now you know if. people are going to engage in crimes uh. then that is definitely a problem and uh. hopefully that that won't happen. And I. do note that for a number of crimes such. as murder or rape under federal law, there is no statute of limitations. So. the next administration can come in and. look at all these files, choose to. release them, choose to prosecute. And. again, this is not just about Donald. Trump. Uh there are multiple.

perpetrators and co-conspirators. You. have former Prince Andrew. I I showed. photos of Pam Bondi where she. acknowledged. >> former President was with a sex traffic. victim. That photo by itself is evidence. of a crime, right? >> And there's all this other evidence in. books and other documents about former. Prince Andrew. She could indict him. right now and a grand jury would indict. I don't know why she doesn't do that. Well, if if we know that there is. evidence of crimes contained within. these files, people who should be held.

to account, and you have DOJ officials. whose job is to hold criminals to. account, who instead are deferring to. protecting these people, aren't aren't. these DOJ officials like Pam Bondi and. Todd Blanch and Cash Patel basically. presenting themselves as accessories. after the fact? Isn't this evidence of. them committing the crime because they. were supposed to a release these files. in accordance with the Epstein Files. Transparency Act and B prosecute them in. accordance with their own oath to the US. Constitution as law enforcement.

officials at the DOJ? Pam Bonnie and Cash Patel committed. perjury. That is a crime and obviously. Pam Bonnie is not going to prosecute. herself, right? But another uh. administration could. And then you have. just um unbelievable. screw-ups where uh they put victim's. names out unredacted and they ruin a a.

number of lives. Um and and so you're. looking at this and you just wonder were. they careless or were they malicious? Uh. it is um just very disappointing, depressing to see and I don't know how. Pam Bonnie, Cash Patel, and Tab Lanch. look at themselves in the mirror. what. responsibility does the subsequent. Democratic administration have to. fearlessly and relentlessly pursuing. justice? And I asked that as as someone. who watched the Merrick Garland. Department of Justice drag its feet on. holding Trump accountable for two years.

because they wanted to avoid the optics. of politicization. But but in effect, all you do by trying to avoid a. politicized DOJ is is basically give a. free pass to a political figure and kind. of swing the pendulum in the opposite. direction. And so what responsibility h. does this the next attorney general who. has some commitment to the rule of law. have to relentlessly, fearlessly. pursuing um pursuing this stuff as. opposed to, you know, what we saw in.

past administrations. Uh, the reason that you see a number of. MAGA influencers now turning against. Trump on the Epstein Files is because. people understand this isn't just about. Donald Trump. This is about a global. pedophilia sex operation that had over a. thousand victims. We're talking about. girls who were raped and sexually. assaulted. And you can't just sort of. make that go away or not deal with it or. say, you know, it's just on Epstein. Um,

and people have this innate sense of. justice and accountability, and people. want that to happen. And whether it. falls on a perpetrator who happens to be. a Republican or a Democrat or. independent, doesn't really matter. People who are engaged uh in this. despicable, horrendous behavior, need to. be held accountable. And I think the. American public, whether you're right or. left, just can't understand why the. Trump Department of Justice looks like. it's doing a cover up of this horrific.

sex operation that Epstein was engaged. in. >> You know, you had mentioned at the top. there are only a few Republicans who are. actually participating in trying to. uncover what's happening here. You had. mentioned Thomas Massie, Anna Paulina. Luna, um Nancy Mace, uh Marjorie Taylor. Green before she had left Congress, Lauren Boowbert. So, you know, the list. is small. Have you heard from any. Republican colleagues behind the scenes? And and granted, I I know that, you. know, we we've heard this song before. where you have Republicans kind of.

murmur things behind the scenes, but. they're too afraid to say it publicly, but does that exist in this scenario, or. are they really allin, you know, even on. the issue of protecting a a notorious. pedophile? You have to be uh in a cult uh to think. that Donald Trump is completely innocent. uh with regard to Steven files. Yeah. Remember that, you know, Trump fought. very hard to not have these files. released. Uh so some of them are in a.

cult and I think they believe that, but. I think the majority understand that uh. he is implicated in these files. And I. uh just want to note that during the. House Judiciary Committee hearing with. Pam Bondi, um only two Republicans asked. about the Epstein files, Thomas Massie. and Chip Rory. Every single other. Republican avoided that issue and that. tells you all you need to know about the. state of the Republican party. >> Yeah, I think that's perfectly put.

We'll leave it there. Congressman, I. appreciate your time on this. Thank you. so much. >> Thank you. I'm joined now by the co-host. of the Pivot podcast and on with Carara. Swisser, Cara Swisser. Cara, thanks for. joining me. >> No problem. So, we have some big news. today as it looks like the Stryisand. effect is back in full force with uh you. know, James Terico having appeared on. the Late Show with Steven Cobear only to. find out that it wasn't able to be aired. on the broadcast on on the linear. broadcast had to be relegated to YouTube.

because um of some concerns uh about uh. the federal government investigating. Steven Coar as he's doing with the view. So, can I have your reaction to to that. news that sprouted up today? Oh, so many. One is, hey, Trump. administration, there's a thing called. YouTube, and you cannot shut it up, right? There's a thing called, there's. all ways of getting information out. these days. And it's changed rather. drastically. And if you wanted people to. watch less broadcast news, you're doing. a good uh you're making a good faith.

effort here to get people to stop. watching broadcast news. Um, one of the. things or broadcast the broadcast. itself. And so one of the things that. really kind of it's not a surprise. because the Ellison's are desperately. trying to buy Warner Brothers and. they're doing anything they can to suck. up to President Trump and Brandon. Brennan Carr who is probably the most. incompetent uh FCC head I've ever seen. and I've covered it for 30 35 years. essentially. Um and so he threatened. them. He threatened the view because. they didn't have equal they're trying to.

use these equal time provisions for. entertainment shows essentially. um. pretending they're news shows uh which. has also been brought under question for. many years. Uh and so they're trying to. do that and they look like chumps and. idiots and and of course the Ellison's. look like the world's most enormous. suckups, but they're already we're. looking like that already. So, >> well, I mean, isn't there a world where. okay, Steven Co, and I'm not I'm not. super familiar with this because in my. lifetime, I haven't seen this this um. deployed, but is there a world where Ken.

Paxton where where the Coar show invites. on Ken Paxton, for example? >> Yeah, I told I when you know that when. the view happened, I texted one of the. hosts and they said just invite on that. idiot Brandon Carr and run right over. him because he's not very smart and. >> you'll be able to do that, ladies. Um. you know, yeah, he they could invite. whoever they want. We try really hard, by the way, even though we're not bound. by these rules, to put on all kinds of. people we disagree with. Um, they. certainly could bring on anybody, the. head of the FCC, they could ask Trump to. come on. And I think in making the good.

faith effort to do so would be just as. well. It's a question of whether that. another person's going to accept, right? Ken Paxton might not accept. Uh, John. Corwin might not accept. It doesn't have. to be equal, >> right, >> to to James. It has to just be that. you're having you made the good faith. effort to do so. Well, isn't there any. acknowledgement from from the Ellison's, for example, that in doing this, like. look, C CBS's audience is not is not. these like right-wingers who Ellison is. is pandering to. It's just not. And and.

so isn't this isn't this eliminating his. own audience for the product that he's. buying right now? >> Well, look, he I guess they don't care. because Coar is going off the air in. May. And by the way, I think he's going. to be bigger than ever. Look at Don. Lemon. Like bigger than ever, right? And. and doing rather well. Yeah. fight the. arrest. I think it's uh I think it's. really kind of shortsighted to be doing. what they're doing. Although the only. thing I can think of now is they're. trying to wreck to drive the in all. their selections, their editorial. direction selection, their treatment of.

CBS News employees, they want it to be. wrecked. They want to clean it out so. they can rebuild it in their whatever. they want to do. And so far, it seems. like they're trying to do a low rent. version of Fox News. And I hate to pay. Rupert Monarch a compliment, but that's. a pretty good product for his audience. And I think they want the OG uh screamy. misinformation from the Fox News people. So. >> I mean what about the the Stryizand. effect being I in in play here because. we've already seen this backfire once. when it came to Jimmy Kimmel where.

Brendan Carr to your point tried to pull. Kimmel off the air and his next episode. was like the most viewed episode that he. ever had and so is there some sense that. the administration's not learning their. lesson here? >> I don't know if the administration these. are private companies like the. administration's going to do what it. does. as it always does this. It's. trying to pressure press. It's trying to. pressure the media. It's trying to. pressure corporate owners. It's the. Ellison that are at fault here. Let's. just be clear. Let's put the Trump. administration does the has done this. forever, right? They always try to put. pressure on and however means necessary.

It just happens to be their, you know, their incompetent tool at this moment. And the emphasis on tool is Brandon. Carr. Uh that's what he's going to do. You know, it doesn't like anything. intelligent from this person. It would. be a shocker and a surprise. So, I think. it's really the Ellison's response, which would be, you know, Stephen, will. you also ask to Ken Paxton? That's a. perfectly legitimate question. And maybe. he should. That would be I would watch. the hell out of that, right? If Paxton. would agree or whoever whoever is. running, there's probably a whole spade.

of people running uh or at least make. the attempts to have them on there. Um, so I think you put this squarely in the. Ellison's department. And I just look. look it's sort of the Trump. administration's been doing this and. they continue to do this kind of. pressure on uh on these companies and. the question at this point is not the. Trump administration which is heinous. enough but the companies that are. cooperating and this group this. ownership group is particularly craven. in the way they're doing. >> Cara C can we just like zoom out a.

little bit? What is your reaction to. like an administration that swept into. power amid these promises of reversing. the censorship being being done at the. hands of these communist Marxist. Democrats only for for the actions that. we're seeing right now to supersede. anything that we could have possibly. imagined under a Democratic. administration. >> They're liars. I I don't know what else. to say. They never had a commitment. Neither did a lot of these groups that. said they did, like Elon or everybody. else. They didn't have a commitment to.

the they had a commitment to their first. amendment rights and be able to mouth. off. But anyone else who disagreed with. them, look, they're trying to get tech. companies to hand over anti-ICE uh. stuff. People who are doing anti-ICE. stuff so they can investigate them. What? For just not liking ICE. I mean, come on. This they this is an. administration that is committed to the. suppression of information. committed uh. beyond belief what they're doing in. using the levers of power they have for.

now. And let me just tell you, someone. like Brandon Carr is going to have he's. going to have a proctology exam if if. the if the elections go the way most. people think it will. This is I don't. know what he's hoping for to get on the. board of what like what's his next move. after this. >> besides being investigated and and I'll. you know I'll be right in the front row. for that. But you know that's the. problem is that this only works for so. long. in the in the attempt to do this, they look stupid because Stephven Coar. could give a Anderson Cooper could. give a right? Like it doesn't.

matter. They don't want to be part of. whatever's happening here. And so. they're just going to Anderson didn't. speak out, but it's obvious what. happened there to me from my. perspective. And and what Coar has run. out of I don't know, seven, seven, three years ago or something like. something like that. >> And that's his job to do that, too, by. the way, to be a tweaker of power. So, >> you know, the way that I'm that the way. that I'm looking at all of this is like. I'm remembering who decided to. capitulate to the Trump administration.

or worse be a collaborator with the. Trump administration and who decided to. stand up. You know, we we know the law. firms, we know the universities, we know. the the the TV networks, the the media. conglomerates and the tech CEOs. How do. we treat the collaborators with this. administration? Like there will come a. point where there are so few outlets. left that have opted not to collaborate. with the Trump administration that do. you just write off every single outlet? >> No, they're resisting. It's just. corporate media, right? They're lots of. people are resisting and people within. those media organizations are resisting.

You see it over and over again. And. what's what's going to have to happen is. like listen, I don't expect my courage. to come from businesses. I never did. with tech industry. They all they're. interested in is making money. Like. let's be clear and I've said that. And. oftentimes when people come to me, they're like, "What are they doing?" I'm. like, "They don't care." And they're. like, "Yeah, but what are they doing?" I. go, "They don't care. They don't care. They care about shareholder value and. and they think and I until I was. actually stopped by one of the big. owners of one of these companies who is. not in control of the company, but is a.

big shareholder." And they said, "This. is actually bad for shareholders. actually what they're doing. >> um ultimately and and and made a very. cogent argument to me about how it's. bad." Uh in this case, it was for Apple. It was like bad for Apple to do this. It's bad for their brand. They look bad. And and then of course it culminated in. Tim Cook's appearance at the Melania. documentary. Not good for his brand. Maybe he's taken it for the team. I. don't know what's happening with him. Um. but it's not it's not good old time. The. question is what did you do about it? I. I I think ultimately these businesses.

know there is no they will they will. they will shift their tone when they. need to appropriately. They'll say. they're sorry and we'll have to move on. I just think their audiences are. dwindling. Look at like the numbers at. CBS News. Look at the numbers um you. know, look at the numbers very clearly. and what's growing and what's not. You're growing. You know, my audience is. growing like crazy. I think we went up. 40% last year. It was crazy. Yeah. >> Um and so we're small but we're mighty, right? Like that kind of thing. And so.

you're seeing those the other audiences. like the Washington Post fall off the. cliff, right, by the decisions Jeff B. has made. And they can try they should. make a product people want to listen to. That's my feeling is like that's how you. do well. So I don't I don't know if we. need to do anything like I you know. unless it's sort of egregious. collaboration like in the case of Carr. I'd like to see all his emails. I'd like. to see like hopefully I'd like to see. some discovery. Um he's abusing his his. public service job which is really quite.

um it's pretty egregious. He was wearing. that pin once but Trump the whole thing. is just kind of silly what's happening. with him. But I just the fact that CBS. is going along and not telling them to. go pound sand. Go ahead and sue us. Investigate us. Let's go. Yeah, >> let's have it. They want to buy that. company. So that's why they're doing it. >> I I know that your co-host Scott is is. going on on a on an unsubscribe spree. What is. >> unsubscribe? I mean what Scott is saying. is which I have said is this is a coin. operated presency. So let's start to.

with the coins, right? that start. like have fewer coins for them to to. shove in this incredibly corrupt. administration. >> So, what is our responsibility as. consumers right now if we see a CBS, for. example, engage in the behavior that. they're engaging in? >> Well, look, we went on our our tour and. someone always asked the CBS question. I. said to these crowds of thousands of. people, I said, uh, how show of hands of. who just watched CBS News? It was almost. zero. So, I was like, so what are we. worried about here? Right, really?

people who she's the the current. editorial director is making a bad. product worse. I don't that's pretty. much what's happening seems to me. So I. I'm not so concerned with that. I'm more. concerned with um you know how we react. to it to reporting it and things like. that. So I you know for resistant. unsubscribe it gives you another tool. You can protest, you can vote very the. most important of all of them is voting. of course and getting to the polls and. not letting them take your vote away. I. just did a podcast on voter rights and.

and election suppression. Um you you you. protest with your feet by showing up. places. You talk to your. representatives. You pressure them. Um. but one of the ways and Scott has I. think correctly and and quite uh. elegantly pointed out just stop using. their like and you don't have to. everyone doesn't have to do the same. thing. I think one of the problems with. a lot of some of these protests is. either they're too short, which is a. day, it doesn't have an effect, or it's. people don't want to go all the way. So,

don't just do a little bit. Like, I got. rid of uh a bunch of Apple stuff. I had. Apple games, I had Apple 1, a bunch of. stuff. I I didn't get up my iPhone. I. mean, and you don't have to judge. people. Just do whatever part. But you. can do significant damage by just. getting rid of, I don't know, pick a. streamer. Uh what is what is Paramount. Plus? Get rid of Paramount Plus. Just. get rid of it. You don't like what. they're doing to Stephen Coar, get rid. of Paramount Plus. Watch Steen on. YouTube. Right? If you don't like what.

Google's doing, don't want No, that's. free. So, you're not giving them money. You know, that happens to be free, but. or don't don't buy anything from their. advertisers or don't all there's you can. actually pull hundreds of dollars off of. you and that iterates. As Scott noted, if AT&T was down just 30,000. subscribers, they six billion dollars. came off their market cap. Yeah. So tiny. little things matter. A again, and. especially with this coin operated. president only responds to money. He's. very that's a very clear signal with.

Trump. You give him money, he does what. you want. That's pretty much how it. goes. And so we'll we'll see if it has. an effect, but it but it has to have a. sustained effect. And you can go back to. them later. By the way, you don't have. to do like I'm not using Amazon ever. again. >> Yeah, >> I'm just not using it this month and in. fact, I won't use it next month and I'll. buy it from. blank, but local retailers or Walmart if. you like them. You know, nobody's. perfect and if you you know, perfect. don't make uh perfect the enemy of the.

good, right? You can't be perfect. You. need to you need to just do a small. thing. And again, $100 here, $100 there. matters a great deal. It's one it's just. one tool. Let me just say it's just one. tool that. >> I want to switch gears here to um to. Epstein a little bit. Um, while we're. talking about destroying the reputations. of people, um, your reaction to the fact. that Donald Trump has engaged in this. systematic cover up that has even drawn. the eyeire of not just his former allies. like Marjorie Taylor Green, obviously. Lauren Boowbert, resisted pressure when.

he hauled her into the uh, into the. situation room, but now even all these. manosphere podcasters, Shawn Ryan, >> Andrew Schultz, uh, Joe Rogan, you know, are are all turning on him based on this. issue. Do you think that this this thing. has staying power? >> I do. many many many many months ago. I. think it was last year, Scott and I had. a really interesting debate and I said, "I think this Epstein thing has legs.". And he's like, "Ah, it'll be one of the. next thing and then the next thing." I. go, "No, no, if you pay attention to the. magosphere essentially, Epstein was a I.

called it I think at the time I called. it a loadbearing wall for the whole. group. >> Like you can't take it out." And. especially with Green and others and I. was like, "No, no, no, no, no. This. animates them in a way you don't. understand." And also there's some. there's a real real here away from the. QAnon lunacy. There's a real problem. here with men abusing young women, right? Powerful men ab and it's a. narrative that's gone throughout time. that's important and like it's happened. over and over again. But this is really. significant. And by the way, it cuts.

across Democrat and Republican. It's. it's it's you know Epstein was really. connected and I I had experienced him. during in tech. He was always a TED. He. was throwing dinner parties. He tried to. get me to go to his house. He was trying. to like in he was with the tech people. and I thought, "Oh, wow. This is, you. know, at the time was interesting, especially since he'd been convicted the. first time. This was before the 2019. arrest." And so I just felt it had and. and if you pay any attention to the. magazare, you know how important the.

Epstein issues were. And so I never. thought it was going to go. I still. don't think it's going to go away. It's. not going away until all their files are. released and there'll be various. different effects on different people. like Casey Wasserman is getting real. pressure yet. He's thinking of selling. his agency. There's more pressure for. him to resign from the Olympics in his. case like look he was there in 2003. which is before any of the arrests. So. is that fair? I don't know. It's up to. anyone to decide what they chapel ran. doesn't want to affiliate with him. Fantastic. It's whatever uh that artist.

wants to do. In the case of others like. Kathy Rumler from Goldman, it was just. too much. She was too familiar with him. It was bad timing. Goldman didn't want. to deal with it. You could argue that. she was just doing trying to get. business. Well, doesn't matter. This is. whatever Goldman wants to do. They. should decide what they're going to do. And so, it's going to have repercussions. all over the place, especially in the. business sector. And and as Scott has. argued, I we both argued whoever. deserves to be criminally indicted needs. to be criminally indicted. like.

that should be the top thing and they. have the justice department and if has. has has has dropped the ball here this. current justice department particularly. uh because they have more opportunity to. do something now uh so crimally. indictments then there's a stack ranking. of everybody else right like how bad was. it was it here and then it's up to the. various groups to decide like private. groups to decide what they think was too. much which would which was too much. affiliation which was just I was at a.

party he was at or else like you have. the Howard Lutnik test who lied about it. like went out of his way to talk to give. him to to drape himself in virtue. We. talk about virtue signaling. >> and then it turns out he had lunch with. him like that's just mendacious liars. and that's you should note he didn't do. anything wrong but he's a menacious. liar. That's what. >> and and by the way like this the the. administration is in a position where. where they could do something about it. They they released this list of a bunch. of people that were contained within the. files the other day, but purposefully.

included all of the people who had. passing mentions with co-conspirators. because they were trying to muddy the. waters. And people are smart enough to. see what's going on. >> Doesn't work. And I think one of the. things that actually someone pointed out. to me quite correctly with Donald Trump. was that he wasn't just trying to muddy. the waters. If he's in a group of people. and he can slip out with everybody else, that's works for him. This is actually. good for him because he's he's still the. focus. Doesn't matter. He's the. president. He's still the focus. He was. obviously friends with this guy for a. very long time and he's lying about when.

and where he broke up with him, whatever. >> He may have clocked him. That's fine. That's who knows. But let's let the. files come out and find out, right? Instead of covering them up. But what. he's doing is he's, you know, when. you're go with the crowd, you'll get in, right? That kind of thing. Like go walk. behind the crowd. And so people are. trying to escape. If if you're focusing. on like uh like a like a Howard Lutnik. or someone else, you're not or or Larry. um Summers or etc., etc., you're not.

focusing on him. And so every minute. that you're not focusing on him and. these files are full of stuff to focus. on and worthwhile to be focused on, you. don't focus on him. So that's the the. chaos chaos is his favorite agency here. And so that's what I see see what he's. doing. and he uses online to do that. You know, getting to something I. actually know about. What he does is. he's a fantastic propagandist. And so, >> uh, what he's doing is creating not. distraction. He's creating chaos in order for you to.

go like this because it's all worth. looking at, by the way. It's not as if. it's not. >> I mean, the putting Sharon, I guess, like it's just I think just Pam Bon is. stupid. That's that's I'm coming. You. know, I know everyone's like, "Oh, she's. she's not just mendacious. She's evil.". all this and that. I think she's just. bad at what. >> she's she's just a tool for Trump. That's it. And that's why she's there. Not because she's strong, but expressly. because she's weak. >> Loyalist. She's obviously an occult. I. mean, I think I think Marjorie Tigerine. pretty much clocks it. They're.

incompetent cultists and it's not going. to I I have other fights to fight and. believe me, I don't agree with her on. almost anything, but she's absolutely. correct is that they're like they're. just like trip. It's like watching a. group of people trip downstairs except. you're in the way and you get pulled. down with them, right? That's problem. the rest of our country does. >> Highly recommend for anybody who's. listening or watching right now to check. out Pivot podcast or on with Cara. Swisser. Cara, >> just subscribe for Scott. He'll make it. make him happy. So,

>> that's it. That's it. Cara, thanks as. always for the time. I'm joined now by. the attorney general of Minnesota, Keith. Ellison. Thanks so much for joining me. >> Hey, good to see you, Brian. Good to see. you. >> Good seeing you, too. So, there is uh a. new announcement from the FBI that. they've formally notified the BCA, so. state investigators in Minnesota, that. they're not going to provide the BCA. with any access to information or. evidence um that was collected in. relation to the death uh the shooting of. Alex Prey. So, what are next steps for. the BCA now given the fact that clearly. the FBI's goal in all of this is just to.

to shut the BCA out so that they can, you know, call this thing a wrap and. make sure that there are no consequences. for this ICE agent. >> Well, there are clearly next steps to be. had. Before I mention those next steps, let me just mention this is. unprecedented. We are quite quite. prepared and have been working with. federal law enforcement for literally. decades. There is absolutely nothing. new. It is routine for us to work.

together on the file together at the. same time. And so for them to take the. this position is novel. It's new. And it. raises serious questions around what do. you plan on doing? And so I'll talk. about the next steps cuz certainly there. are several, but I don't want people to. slide past the moment. You know, anyone. watching your show might think, well, is. it normal for the FBI just to exclude.

state investigators? No, it isn't. It's. unusual. It's weird. And it feels like. they're trying to cover something up. That's what it feels like to me. Now, to. your question, um, look, we can we can. take him to court. That's that's. lawfully. That's a that's something we. can do. And I I I don't want to be. announcing what we're going to do. because then people say, "Well, when and. this, you know, the once you say exactly. what you're going to do, then you kind.

of telegraph what you're going to do.". And I'm not prepared to do that today. But I can tell you that we've been. meeting, working on it. We're not going. to stand for it. And then and we and I'm and I'm want you. to know and anybody listening your show, there's no way that the Minnesota. Attorney General's Office and the Hip. County Attorney's Office is going to let. this go. We're going to get to the truth. and get justice flat out. That's what. there is to it. Now, um you know, they.

can try to delay things, but they can't. ultimately stop things. The only. question is why would they even want to? And uh so I'll I'll leave it right. there. >> Yeah. I mean, in terms of why they would. want to, I think that that's abundantly. clear. Every member of this. administration has been trying to. pre-clear every ICE agent for everything. they've done because they want these. people to feel like they can act with. impunity. And so, which I guess raises. this this next question. What if there's.

evidence, for example, that was. destroyed or tainted by the federal. government before state investigators. got the opportunity to to get their. hands on it? Well, that would of course be bad, but. it's not fatal to the case, right? There's a lot of existing evidence. I. mean, at the end of the day, at the end. of the day, when you're a prosecutor, you want all of the evidence, all. meaning all, so that you can make a. decision about charging. If you decide. to charge, and again, at this point, it.

would be irresponsible for us to make. that announcement. But if that were to. happen, theoretically, we want to make. sure that there's probable cause to. either charge a matter out via complaint. or charge it out via grand jury. And so. that might exist now with evidence. that's already out there. >> right. >> now. Here's what I want to say though. So somebody watching the show might say, "Well, why did you just charge it now?". Because charging a case and actually. getting a conviction is two different.

things. And if you charge a case out. based on the probable cause that you. have now, you may find out later on that. there are things that you wish you would. have known. Now, that doesn't mean you. wouldn't charge. It just means you have. all the you have the whole file and you. could see it all the way through to what. you believe the just outcome is. So, I. want everybody to know I because. everybody wants to know when are these. people getting charged? And I know that.

you want to know, but we cannot we. cannot operate on the urgency of the. moment. We've got to be looking at the. conviction if that's where we end up. And so not having the file leaves the. door open for defense council to be. like, well, they didn't have this, they. didn't have that. and kind of just poke. the poke holes in the case where we what. we want to do is have a case that you. that doesn't have no holes to poke. >> In terms of the the DHS shutdown right.

now, DHS has not been funded. That's the. one agency that hasn't been funded. Democrats are holding out um to to um. fund that agency until certain. conditions are being met. From your. vantage on the state side, what would be. most helpful in terms of in terms of. conditions that need to be met? Um, you. know, obviously having dealt with with. the these these fatal shootings of Renee. Good and Alex Prey. >> Number one, a rule in place that where there is a.

state interest, the state will be. involved in a joint prosecution and an. independent investigation. >> Yeah. >> Where there's a state interest, the. state has to be involved. And guess. what? The states get to watch the feds. The feds get to watch the state keeping. everybody honest and up above board and. on the table. And so that would be one. Number two, eliminate. uh the Kavanaaugh exception to racial. profiling. This has done tremendous damage to.

America. It's I believe Kavanaaugh's uh. little little quip there was. unconstitutional. He tried to fix it in. a later decision, but even then he's. talking about internal as opposed to on. the border. It was bad ruling from the. beginning. It was this shadow docket. statement that he made and I believe. green lit a lot of harm that has. happened to people across our country. That's two. Number three, there must be.

normal police protocols on people who. say they're police. So ICE runs around. with police on written all over. Well, that means no mass, that means uh body. cams. That means identification name. plates, numbers. That means uh that you. have not 47 days of training, but real. training on including deescalation, racial profiling, and all the rest. Uh.

it and so those are just three. I could. keep on going, but let's just start. there. Um, and there of course are more, but I think that ISIS is absolutely ICE. and border are totally out of control. They are totally out of control. They. are not dealing with the worst of the. worst. They are they're abusing people. who have who actually have legal status. within the United States, but may not. have permanent status. So, I was at an.

interesting back and forth with some US. senators who didn't want to uh have the. United States continue to deal with its. treaty obligations for asyles, which I. found shocking. But if you were having. an asylum petition and a work permit, you have every right to be in the United. States. Are you on thinner ice than. somebody with another kind of status? Of. course you are. But you are not an. undocumented person. But you know, ICE.

could pick you up and say that's over. Out. >> Yeah. >> You know, and and these are the things. we've got to come to agreement on. They. cannot mess with people who have a. status. We're going to have to have. everybody gets their due process rights. And so that's going to have to be locked. in as well. And you know, the use of. guns, these people, they know how to shoot. them, but they don't know how to not. shoot them. And we need folks who. understand deescalation. Yeah. Proper. handling of firearms.

>> Can you talk for a moment about. qualified immunity? Can you give a a. brief explanation of what it is and and. how that needs to be reformed in light. of what we've seen? >> So, there's a lot of kind of immunities, right? There's two that I think are relevant. right here. When you sue and are seeking. compensation, there is a form of qualified immunity. that says, and it's, by the way, no, no. legislature passed this. Congress did. not do this. This is based on a case, I.

think it's called Fitzgerald versus. Harlo. And this and in this case, the. judge just said a si a a a public. servant, a federal employee can won't be. liable unless there's a case signaling. to them that what they just did is not. li that you would be held liable for it. So, if it's sort of something that. they've that there's no case on, the.

courts have said that they get a pass. because they weren't duly notified. Now, this is complete garbage. Why? Because. you have laws, you have statutes, you. have all kind of reasons for people to. be on notice that certain things they. cannot do. But this this qualified. immunity is stands as something of a bar. for civil liability. uh if there's not a case on point. Now, that doesn't mean that people aren't. going to be held accountable. People are. held accountable every single day. You. cannot shoot people when you don't have.

any reasonable basis to to do so. There. are a lot of reasons that you can get. through, but there is a lot of bad. conduct that gets shielded by qualified. immunity. Now, there's another kind of. qualified immunity, and this is under. the supremacy clause, and this has to do. with when a state criminally prosecutes. a federal agent. There is a qualified. immunity premised on the supremacy. clause, and it says this, look, if you.

are a federal agent doing your job and. doing what is necessary and proper in. the performance of your job, you have an. immunity from state criminal. prosecution. So, if you're driving a if your job is. to drive a truck and you're a federal. worker and you run and you get into an. accident, it's you know, it wasn't. necessarily your fault. It wasn't. intentional. You could say it was. necessary and proper for me to drive the. truck and I did what was necessary and. proper, meaning I tried to obey the laws.

of the road. So, that's your defense. You have a defense there. Now, what if. you see somebody who you don't like. because of their race and you decide to. use that state vehicle, that federal. vehicle to run them down? That's not. necessary and proper to do your job. Or. let's say that somebody um theoretically. speaking uh is uh at a protest, you. knock them to the ground, pull their leg. and lawfully possessed firearm off their.

body, so now you know they're not armed, and you shoot them 10 times. maybe. that's not necessary and proper for the. performance of your duty. So my point. is, and I'm speaking theoretically now, but what I'm saying is just because. these immunities are in place does not. mean that these folks are going to. escape responsibility and legal. liability. One of them is in the civil. context, one of them is in the criminal, but they both just give a public. employee some protection in terms of the.

when they do their job the way it's. supposed to be done. But when they. deviate from that, they have to stay. they have to face the music. >> Uh h have you dealt with any other state. ags um in terms of figuring out what the. best way to collaborate is so that. you're not just reinventing the wheel. every single time? I mean, ICE is going. to, you know, not just Minnesota. ICE. has gone to my state of California. They've gone to Chicago. They've gone to. Portland, gone to Washington DC. And so,

it doesn't, we don't need to reinvent. the wheel every single time if there's. abuses at the hands of ICE. And so, what. kind of collaboration has taken place. among attorneys general? >> Well, let me tell you, we meet on the. phone at least two, three times a a. week. Our staffs are talking constantly. based on their subject matter areas, and. I mean multiple times a week. We have. quarterly meetings that we we go to that. where we get together and talk about. things. We don't really tell people when. we're at those quarterly meetings for.

security reasons. >> Yeah. >> But we do meet face to face in a regular. basis and we all know each other and get. on the phone on a regular basis. So the. thing is we're we're talking three or. four times a week on Zoom and we're. meeting face to face at least quarterly. So we have a high degree of coordination. and it's not just on federal. accountability. It could be on. antitrust. I mean a lot of people are. concerned about this, you know, this. CBS, Netflix, Warner Brothers,

Paramount, all that. People are. concerned about that. And so we talk. about these things amongst ourselves. We. also talk about everything from wage. stuff to uh uh you know like how some of. the online platforms that you know like. Uber, Lyft, all the rest shipped all the. rest of them. We talked about how those. interface with the law as it exists. We. talked about nearly everything under the. sun. Consumer protection, women's.

rights, labor rights, civil rights. We. talk about all this stuff all the time. And then we talk to people like you, Brian. Like uh we get a lot of income. incoming advice from folks who care, you. know, and um we interact with the groups. like Norm Eisen's group, you know, Joanna Luggates Group, Mark Elias's. group, NAACP, Urban League, um Lawyers. Committee, uh American um the uh.

American Civil Liberties Union. Uh and. so we we try to stay in touch and then. we all go to community meetings. constantly. You know, your average AG, your average elected AG, well there is a. lawyer, but much of the work we do is. engage the public and administer the. office and give direction to staff. lawyers who actually write the briefs. and go to court and make the arguments. Well, I I appreciate the work you're. doing and especially in conjunction with.

some of these groups like, you know, ELG. and and uh and Democracy Defenders Fund. and and ACLU and all those other groups. So, thank you uh thank you for doing. that work and for staying on top of this. stuff, especially as it relates to the. abuses at the hands of ICE. And. appreciate you taking the time today. >> Well, may I just say, man, free. independent media podcasters like. yourself, you guys are helping the. people know what's going on. They trust. you. They listen to your show. I listen. to your show. And if you want to know. what's up, you got to listen to this. show. >> I appreciate that. Thanks so much. To.

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