BOMBSHELL: Republicans INVESTIGATE TRUMP SCHEME

We have got some bombshell news here. Wyoming's Republican governor has. sounded the alarm about the Trump. administration's poll monitor activities. and has directed the state's attorney. general, another Republican, to. investigate the matter. According to the. New York Times, two election monitors. from the Justice Department tried to. interview voters and examine voting. machines at polling places during. Wyoming's primaries last week, local. officials said, drawing push back from. the state's Republican governor. The. federal election monitors arrived at a. polling site in Cheyenne, Wyoming's. capital and its largest city, without. advanced notice around 7 a.m. last.

Tuesday, said the Laram County Clerk, Deborah Lee. They asked to interview. voters and inspect the machines, but. were denied, officials said. Quote, it. was aggressive, unexpected, disruptive. Certainly didn't seem to show respect. for the state. Governor Mark Gordon of. Wyoming said in an interview on. Thursday, "We're going to get to the. bottom of it as best we can. I feel. strongly about the federal government. coming in and taking our guns. I don't. like that," Mr. Gordon said at the. meeting, "And I don't like the federal. government coming in and taking our. votes either." The monitors ultimately. visited six polling places, showing. their credentials only when asked for.

them, Mr. Gordon said in the interview, describing their behavior as quote, "very odd." He said he had asked the. state's Attorney General, Keith Couts, to investigate the matter. As if that. wasn't bad enough, Wyoming's governor. revealed that the DOJ's poll monitors. had cited statutes related to the. Americans with Disabilities Act and the. Civil Rights Act. In other words, they. are exploiting protections for disabled. Americans and minorities while executing. actions that expressly undermine those. groups of people. And that was a. sentiment echoed by Wyoming officials.

Their questions appeared to be outside. the scope of federal voting rights laws. Laramie County Clerk Deborah Lee said in. a statement they included questions. about the nature, length, and timing of. pole worker training. Ms. Lee said, "Monitors requested training guides, asked how our new election equipment was. acquired, and wanted to examine our. tabulators, their conduct." Ms. said, displayed a complete disregard for our. state laws and administration of our. elections. And of course, she's right. that they're showing a disregard for. state laws and administration of. elections because the federal government. does not play a role in administering.

elections. And yet, that still hasn't. stopped Trump and his lackey from trying. to usurp that exact control. The White. House is right now in court attempting. to advance Donald Trump's illegal. executive order banning mail-in ballots. except for a narrow set of. circumstances, which is power that again. the federal government does not have. Now, you may have heard about a Supreme. Court ruling on this topic in Trump's. favor. I want to be clear about what. that Scotas ruling did. It did not rule. on the merits of Trump's mail ballot.

executive order. It only ruled on the. issue of what's called ripeness. Ripeness is a legal doctrine that. requires a dispute to have developed. into an actual concrete controversy. rather than just a hypothetical or. premature one before a court's going to. agree to hear and decide the case. So. the postal service hadn't finalized its. rule when the issue is brought to the. Supreme Court. So it was merely. hypothetical. Now the post office has. finalized the rule which means that the. issue can be litigated. It's ripe. That's all. So, when it comes time to.

actually litigate this issue on the. merits, it is a massively uphill battle. for the Trump administration for two. reasons. First, the federal government. again has no say in the facilitation of. elections. Article 1, Section 4 is about. as clear as constitutional text gets. The power to regulate the time, place, and manner of elections belongs to the. states and to Congress, not to the. executive branch. Trump doesn't get a. vote on how Massachusetts or California. or any other state runs its own. elections. Second, the Purcell doctrine,

which if you watch my videos, you. probably uh heard me talk about numerous. times at this point. This is the idea. that you can't make changes too close to. an election or you risk causing undue. chaos. We are two months out from. midterms. Ballots are already printed. They're being sent out basically now. The notion that Donald Trump will be. able to suddenly ban mail-in ballots. right now is a virtual impossibility. That doesn't mean he won't try, but I. want to be cleareyed about what success.

looks like for him. So then, why do it? Well, here's the thing. Trump benefits. either way. Best case scenario, the. Supreme Court agrees with this insane. executive order and he can ban mail and. ballots. I would bet the farm that that. won't happen. But just hypothetically. speaking, that is the best case scenario. for him. Worst case scenario though, he. doesn't get what he wants on mail and. ballots. His executive order is is. rejected. And then he gets to use the. fact that he didn't get what he wanted. as an excuse to undermine the legitimacy.

of the election. So he'll say, "Oh, well, the reason that we lost was there. was mail and ballot fraud, and if only. my executive order went through, that. could have fixed it." But the Democrats. fought it because they knew that it was. the only way they can steal the. election. So really, he set himself up. to be able to claim victory either way. Either he can block the mail and ballots. or he won't be able to block the mail. and ballots, but he gets to use that as. an excuse to point to for why he lost. All of which puts on full display that. this Republican party exists solely to.

consolidate power for itself. They do. not operate in democracy. This is an. autocratic government and an autocratic. Republican party. They do not believe. that Democrats have the right to govern. or even win elections. They'll only. accept the results when they win, which. only underscores the need to win with as. big a margin as we possibly can to. eliminate all doubt. And to be clear, I. believe we will. I wouldn't do this work. if I didn't think so. Trump is operating. from a position of severe weakness, not. strength. And it is expressly because he.

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crossed a Rubicon here because now it's. not just blue states that are pushing. back against Donald Trump's efforts to. subvert upcoming elections, but now we. have a deep red state that's pushing. back. Mark, can you explain what this. news is here? Yeah, this is a really. troubling story that should send shivers. down the spines of everyone in all the. states as we head towards the critical. midterms because the Department of. Justice sent election monitors to. Wyoming on an unannounced basis and. their behavior raised such concerns and.

was so unusual that even the Republican. governor of Wyoming said that it was out. of bounds and is seeking uh to get his. questions answered. And look, Donald Trump's Department of. Justice is not sending these monitors. because they're trying to make sure that. the Civil Rights Laws are followed. They're not sending them to make sure. that the Americans with Disability Act. is is uh is followed. They're doing it. because they want to undermine. confidence in the outcome of these. elections. And and part of what we saw.

out of Wyoming was these these DOJ. monitors trying to interview voters and. trying to, you know, get information and. access to voting equipment. None of that. has anything to do with protecting the. civil rights and the voting rights of. citizens of this country. >> Well, I think importantly in this story, um, you have the governor of the state. who directed the attorney general to. start investigating this matter. To what.

extent do you think that this is kind of. just a way for him to have some. plausible deniability and say, "Well, look, I, you know, I'm investigating it. uh this kind of bolsters a little bit of. of these Wyoming Republicans independent. bonafides versus you know them actually. looking into it because because they. truly believe that the government is. overreached here. Look, I think they. think they've really overreached. I. mean, this is not the first time we've. seen a red state, you know, raise. concerns about overreaching uh by the.

Trump administration with respect to. elections. You may remember that Idaho. was one of the states sued by the Trump. administration for refusing to turn over. their voter files. That's a that's a. case that actually my law firm is. involved in defending voters in Idaho on. the same side as the state of Idaho, you. know, in that overreach. Donald Trump's. Department of Justice sued 30 states. And that's not just all blue states. I. mean, they sued a number of red states. as well because those red states refused. to give the Trump administration access.

to the most sensitive voter data that. they have. In a story that Democracy Dog. reported in July, the Utah Lieutenant. Governor, who is the chief election. officer in that state, she uh publicly. criticized the Department of Justice for. sending her a threatening letter, you. know, uh to try to gain access to their. their their information. She called it. truly bizarre behavior by the federal. government uh which is charged with. protecting civil rights. That's coming. from a conservative Republican in Utah.

So I do think in a number of these. states they are genuinely offended by. federal overreach uh into their their. control of their own elections which the. constitution obviously gives them. Mark, when you litigate on behalf of a state. like Idaho or when you hear sympathetic. comments as you just described from uh. the lieutenant governor in a state like. Utah, does that help you build a. relationship with the folks in those.

states? I if they're able to see clearly. what the federal government is doing. with regard to this one specific issue, does that not allow you to build a. bridge and say, "Hey, if he's doing this. here, can't you also see can't you also. acknowledge that he's doing it here, here, and here?" Like, doesn't that help. kind of uh um build a bridge between. between the pro-democracy movement and. and these red states that are otherwise. captured by Trump and Republicans? You'd.

like to think so. I mean, you'd like to. think that these red states when they. find themselves on the wrong end of. Donald Trump that they would. fundamentally change their approach to. how they handled these challenges when. they were brought elsewhere. You'd hope. that Idaho and Utah would be objecting. along with the Democratic uh states uh. to the most recent executive order that. Donald Trump is uh put forth to target. mail-in voting. Right. you you'd like to. think that those states would stand up. and stand alongside Democrats and have.

there be a bipartisan coalition, but. we're not seeing that. You know, what we. see is that Republican uh elected. officials will will in some instances, some narrow set of instances protect. their own interests, but you know, when. it comes to a broader pro-democracy. bent, they they they sort of ignore it. and they retreat to their corners. So, you know, I'd love I'd love to see some. of these more libertarian u uh attorneys. general, more libertarian governors, more libertarian um secretaries of state.

or chief election officials, you know, join the pro-democracy movement. But, but we don't really see much of that. >> And it doesn't garner any goodwill. It. doesn't build up any relationship. There's no there's no ability to say, "Hey, if you can acknowledge this, surely you can acknowledge that he's. lying about the 2020 election that when. he tries to ban mail and ballots, that's. not on the level." There's no there's no. understanding beyond the narrow issue. that that that's at hand.

>> Look, this is one of the philosophical. points that I oftentimes make. I'm not. interested in making friends. I'm not. interested in building relationships. I'm not interested in meeting the. arsonist halfway, okay? I'm here to put. out the fires. And so, anyone who wants. to join in the effort to prevent Donald. Trump from subverting free and fair. elections, I count [snorts] count me in. in working with them, and I will do so. happily. But it isn't like I am then. looking to go to lunch with them. I'm.

looking to see whether they will. continue to do that. I mean, Brad. Rosenberger stood up against Donald. Trump once in January of 2020, but since. then he has attacked the voting rights. act. Since then, he has supported voter. suppression measures. So, like, I'm not, like I said, looking to give people. awards. I'm not looking to get awards. from them. I'm not looking to make. friends. I'm just looking for people who. are going to deliver results. And if. they are not willing to stand up with. Donald Trump the next time and the time. after that and the time after that, they. can go build a relationship someplace.

else. Yeah, I think that was perfectly. put. And to that end, I mentioned the. administration's efforts to undermine. mail-in ballots. Obviously, Trump is. still trying to push the issue of his. executive order banning mail and ballots. except for a narrow set of circumstances. through the court system. We saw a. ruling just a few days ago by the. Supreme Court um uh deciding that this. issue was ripe. So now they're going to. go ahead and litigate this thing on the. merits. Can you give a lay of the land. of where we're at right now and whether. you think uh the Supreme Court will. ultimately hear hear it and how they.

might rule? >> Yeah, I'm glad you asked that because. honestly this is really relevant to what. we've been discussing about Wyoming and. these other red states. Uh because what. the Trump administration is trying to do. through this executive order and through. the US Postal Service is trample all. over states rights. And you know uh. these states uh you know include voters. by mail. I mean, Utah has has a. predominant number of people who vote by. mail and Wyoming allows for voting by. mail. So, like they should care about.

this issue while they have remained. largely silent because uh it will affect. them as well. But essentially, a bunch. of Democratic state attorneys general. without these Republican states went to. the federal courts and they won and then. they won again in the court of appeals. and then the US Supreme Court struck. down the injunction issued by those. lower courts saying that the claims were. not ripe. Well, now they are they are. ripe. Like everybody agrees they're. ripe. The Department of Justice even. agrees they're ripe. So the question is. where do we go from here? >> Just to butt in. The issue of ripeness. just means that it's that it's an actual.

issue, a a concrete issue that can be. litigated, not just some hypothetical. issue. >> All right. So Friday and then continuing. throughout the weekend, a federal judge. issued an injunction. Again, same. federal judge uh prohibiting this rule. from being implemented uh by the US. Postal Service. The Department of. Justice is appealing that temporary. restraining order is what it actually. is. Uh meanwhile, there is briefing. going on on a more permanent injunction. and those briefs have been filed back. and forth. Democracy docket is covering. this blowby-blow. If you go to uh.

democracydocket.com, you can read the. articles and see the pleadings on this. But essentially, Brian, uh, this is all. going to play out very, very fast. because, uh, there are states that are. going to start sending out their mail-in. ballots as soon as this week. And that. is required by their state laws and. state law, state law controls because. the time, place, and manner of federal. elections is set by states, not by the. federal government. So, we may very well. be headed towards a showdown here in.

which states have to make a decision. Do. we just send out our our mail-in ballots. as we always have by following state law. and ignore the US Postal Services. regulation that is currently being. blocked, right? so can't be put in. effect or do we somehow try to split the. difference and notwithstanding the fact. that the regulation is blocked, this new. rule is blocked, we try to comply with. parts of it anyway, you know, because.

what happens if we send out the ballots. and then a court says that the rule is. in effect, does that mean all those. voters get disenfranchised? Presumably. not, right? That would be another set of. lawsuits. And I can promise Donald Trump. and the US Postal Service I'll be first. in line to file that if that were to. happen. But look, Brian, if this all. sounds very fastmoving and chaotic, it. is fastmoving and chaotic. The. fastmoving is a reason to subscribe to. this channel. The chaotic is the design, right? That is what Donald Trump wants. He wants this to be a messy process. He.

wants this to be a messy election so. that he can later point back to this as. evidence that there was fraud even. though there was none. Mark, last. question on this point. It seems to me. like it would be virtually impossible. for the Supreme Court or or any court to. advance um advance this this executive. order banning mail and ballots just by. virtue of how late we are in this. process. Do you think that it's a fair. read of this that even if you have. sympathetic judges, just just the the.

the impossibility of trying to change. all of these ballots is just so steep. right now that it's again virtually. impossible. Virtually completely. unlikely that it will happen. >> Yeah. So, look, this is the big. question. I think what Donald Trump. hopes is that if he gets the Supreme. Court to rule, maybe all these ballots. get thrown out, you know, like I I mean. I I can't, you know, I'm not saying the. Supreme Court's going to do that. I the. Supreme Court would be crazy to do that, but but I think that like he hopes like,

okay, state sends out the ballots, Supreme Court rules a week later that. the rule is is is lawful, and then they. try to throw out ballots. Now, again, I. will be the first in line to file a. lawsuit if that happens and we'll win. I. mean like that's not actually a thing. You don't get to do that. But I think. Donald Trump like in his adult brain, you know, where where like the the. reflecting pool was perfectly repaired. and vandals, you know, put a put a 200. yard or whatever he said 250 yard or. whatever crazy number gash in it, right?

Like like in his crazy mind, he may. think that. The other possibility, Brian, is that the Supreme Court does. something, and yes, these ballots for. 2026 count, but it allows Donald Trump. to say after the election that the rules. weren't followed, that all these states. did something that was untored or. illegal or improper and allows Donald. Trump to spread more lies. And what we. have seen with Donald Trump is a.

pattern. It starts with a lie and then. that lie gets bigger. Then he tries to. use the courts and the law to effectuate. the lie. When that fails, he turns to violence. That's what we saw. in 2020. It's what we see his. administration do in different forms in. other ways. It's not always obviously. him engaging in violence. It may be him. inspiring violence. It may be the. federal government using excessive. violence, right? But like there is this.

escalation where he starts with a lie. and escalates it and then when the. courts don't do what he wants, he. doesn't stop. And so that's what I'm. worried about for this fall. But I can. assure everyone, you know, we'll be. fighting them every step of the way in. court. We'll be protecting your right to. vote. And at Democracy Docket, we will. be exposing what's going on and. explaining it without both sides, without their without the false. equivalency, without the compromises. that the legacy media makes. >> To listen to the audio version of this.

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