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This is the Global News podcast from the. BBC World Service. I'm Charlotte. Gallagher and on Monday the 14th of. September, we'll go to Ukraine where. strikes near the Polish border have led. to calls for NATO to shoot down Russian. drones. >> The counterargument put by other members. is that there's a risk and that's a risk. of escalation. There's a risk of NATO. onRussia direct confrontation. >> Oil prices have spiked after Houthy. attacks on Saudi infrastructure. We'll. speak to our international business. correspondent. We'll hear from Nigeria.

as Africa's richest man launches its. biggest public sale of stocks. They are. offering around 4 billion shares at. around 525 naira each. That's around 40. And this could raise $1.6 billion. Canada pursues a unique alliance with. the European Union. And here in London, we'll take a look at the everyday. treasures discovered in Buckingham. Palace.

We start with developments in Ukraine as. a US-based research group, the Institute. for the Study of War, says NATO should. consider intercepting Russian drones in. Ukrainian airspace. The call comes a day. after Russia attacked a railway station. near the Polish border. There were. senior European officials on the trains. which had just passed through the same. area including the former British Prime. Minister Boris Johnson. Ka Kalas, the EU. foreign policy chief said the attack was. aimed at frightening western countries.

>> We should show that we are there for. Ukraine and we are not scared off. because otherwise, you know, Russia will. just achieve uh what they want, which is. the submission of of Ukraine. And like. I've said several times, this is not. their end goal. uh their end goal is. much more. So we have to stand firm on. this. >> And NATO's Secretary General Mark Rutter. called the attack on the Ukrainian train. reckless. >> The strike on a peasant train in Ukraine. yesterday shows how desperate Putin has.

become. He thinks that he can stop us. from supporting Ukraine and that he can. undermine our unity. He is wrong. Yori Sack, a former adviser to the. Ministry of Defense in Ukraine, weighed. in on the prospect of NATO intercepting. Russian drones. >> We have been asking our Western partners. to actually close Ukrainian skies since. February 2022. This is long before we. had to deal with any kind of drones,

shahad drones, jet power drones. now. So, of course, for us, for Ukrainians, it it makes perfect sense that uh you. know, whatever is in our skies and is. aimed at killing our people uh is a. rightful target for our allies. But most. importantly, uh we have to think about. whether our allies have anything to. intercept these drones with because the. drones we have to deal with now are jet. power drones and for example, shooting. them down with expensive missiles is uh. not economically viable. So, how.

influential is the Institute for the. Study of War, which released the report? I asked our diplomatic correspondent, James Landale, who's in Kiev. >> This institute is a respected body. It's. nonpartisan. It's a nonprofit. It's. based in the US, and it has studied this. war in minute forensic detail uh since. the full-scale invasion 4 and a half. years ago. So, its reports and its. analysis are respected. Now when it. makes a policy recommendation or. suggestion like this, it is just another.

voice um in the debate that is taking. place. But it is a debate that is. definitely happening here in Kiev and. other European capitals. And the. argument is essentially like this that. Russia is targeting increasingly. Ukraine's borders particularly with. Poland. And there is an argument for. NATO to change its rules, to relax its. rules so that uh NATO forces can operate. in some kind of buffer zone just inside.

Ukrainian territory to bring down. Russian drones before they come close to. NATO NATO borders. Now, that is. something that's supported by the. institute. It's supported by um some. Polish politicians. Uh but the the. counterargument put by other members is. that there's a risk and that's a risk of. escalation. There's a risk of NATO on. Russia direct confrontation. Um but it. is certainly a debate that's happening. here and some people in in Kiev are. definitely pushing for it. >> and not all NATO members would agree on.

this and it could really push NATO to. the limit the idea of getting involved. in this conflict. Well, look, the there is a broader. argument here, which is that Russia is. testing NATO at the moment. It's probing. NATO, not just on the border, you know, in this conflict and Ukraine and the. border with Poland, but also in other. areas with its hybrid activities, its. gray zone activities as they're known. We're talking threatening undersea. cables. We're talking cyber attacks. We're talking unexpected um explosions.

in distribution warehouses. um the individual targeting of. individuals assassination attempts all. of that and that is seen as part of a. pattern of NATO of of Russia testing na. NATO. So there within that debate there. is an argument that actually NATO should. be more proactive in pushing back on on. Russia and imposing cost on this. behavior. But as you say there is always. the fear the risk that there may be. escalation. But I think we're reaching a.

point now where the the brazeness of the. Russian attacks, particularly for. example that Russian attack on uh. Leipzig airport the other day with a. drone um carrying explosives that. fortunately did not explode, but now. that the Western authorities are. explicitly blaming Russia for as well as. naming and shaming Russia, there is also. a debate that says actually NATO should. push back more firmly uh using military. force.

And that's the space this debate is. getting into. But yes, there are. definitely concerns about it. >> How likely do you think it is that NATO. would get involved at this stage? >> Well, the thing about NATO is it sort of. has to act uh in concert uh largely. through unonymity. There are 32 members. Obviously, um the United States is a key. player in that. And um the you have a a. US president at the moment who has. declared that he is the peace president. who's going to end wars. However, he's. started a big one in the Middle East,

and I think uh his administration would. be very cautious before getting into any. kind of direct NATORussia combat um uh. over over Ukraine. The counterargument. that others put is saying, well, look, you know, all you're talking about is. bringing down unmanned drones a few. miles over Polish territory. Uh the. advantage of that is it better defends. NATO. It also frees up Ukrainian air. defenses that can be used elsewhere. It. also, they say, would put Russia back in.

its box and say, "Look, thus far and no. further." And that if you if NATO. doesn't draw a red line like this, then. Russia will continue pushing ever. further. >> Let's turn now to the conflict in the. Middle East, which is having an impact. on oil and gas prices. Brent crude is. trading at levels not seen since May. after details emerged of damage done to. a key oil pipeline across Saudi Arabia. Our business correspondent Theo Leot. told me what that means for consumers. >> Life gets more expensive. And we're not.

just talking about the crude oil price. here, which is just a very basic price. of a raw material. We're also talking. about the prices of refined products. like diesel and aviation fuel. And in. fact, the increases we've seen in those. products over the past few weeks. outweigh what we've seen with oil. But. fundamentally, if the oil price goes up, the prices of motor fuels goes up, the. price of heating fuels goes up, that. kind of thing. And the knock-on effect. is that anything that needs to be. manufactured and uses a lot of energy is.

likely to increase in price. Don't. forget gas prices have also gone up and. that increases the price of electricity. in many countries. um if a product needs. to be transported, it needs fuel to be. transported, the price will go up. So. generally speaking, when you get a steep. increase in the oil price and the prices. of associated refined fuels, it brings. about a wave of inflation and that's. what we are likely to see over the. coming weeks. And at the moment, there. isn't any sign of the oil price dropping.

back. It's increased in recent days. partly because of the closure of the. Yanboo pipeline which allows Saudi. Arabia to take oil from the Gulf region. across to the Red Sea and get it onto. export markets that way because the. straight of Hormuz is closed. There's. also increased Houthy activity in the. south of the Red Sea, the Baband Strait. which risks closing that part that. outlet to export markets as well. Um, and of course we had Donald Trump. recently saying he didn't think the. conflict in the Middle East could be.

resolved before the US midterm. elections, which are in November. So, you've got all of this coming together, an awful lot of pressure. Um, and that. is pushing up oil prices. It's also. pushing up gas prices and as I say, ultimately that feeds through into the. cost of living. >> So, it sounds like all of that is. combining together to make a pretty bad. picture. And the prices, it sounds like, are just going to keep going up, Theo? Well, until we see some kind of. resolution in the straight of Hormuz in. the Gulf region so that ships carrying. oil and gas can get out, um prices are.

likely to remain high and at the moment. there is no reason to suggest we're. going to see any sort of resolution in. the short term and the level of conflict. between the US and Iran hasn't declined. in recent weeks. We've had proposed. talks between the Gulf countries and. Iran on opening the straight of horos. being postponed. So until there's some. sign of realistic progress, then the. pressure on the energy markets is going. to remain high. Prices are likely to ma.

remain high. um availability of refined. goods is likely to remain scarce and all. of these things will push up prices and. as I say ultimately those increases in. prices feed through into the price of. everyday goods and food stuffs as well. >> And staying with the issue of oil, the. Nigerian businessman Aliko Dangote is. Africa's richest man with an estimated. net worth of around $35 billion. Now. he's launched Africa's largest ever.

share sale with the initial public. offering of his oil refinery. Our. correspondent in Lagos, Simei Joloso, told me more. They are offering around 4. billion shares at around 525 naira each. That's around4. and this could raise $1.6 billion. But. this would value the company at 47. billion. So this is uh quite a small. portion of the company. But Dangote has. said that he really wants to encourage. ordinary Nigerians to uh buy into the.

company and own part of the refinery. >> And what is he planning to do with this. money that's raised? >> Well, the big ambition here is. expansion. So, currently the refinery. processes around 700,000. barrels of crude a day. Dangote has. hoped to has said he hopes to double. that to 1.4 4 million barrels of crude a. day. And he plans to spend around $14. billion doing so. And if they were to.

achieve that, well, this would make uh. his refinery the biggest refinery or one. of the biggest refineries in the world. >> Does the growth of this refinery mean. cheaper fuel for ordinary Nigerians? >> Well, not necessarily. For years, Nigeria has exported its cruised and. then crude, sorry, and then spent. foreign currency, buying back uh. processed fuel. So, being able to get. rid of that cost and to produce more. fuel at home may at least remove those.

import costs may bring fuel prices down. here. But there's still a lot of factors. that come into how much ordinary. Nigerians pay at the pump for fuel, including distribution costs. uh the. global price of crude as well as well as. the value of the local currency. >> Still to come, can the US medical drama. The pit be the big winner at this year's. Emmy Awards?

As the trade war with the US. intensifies, the Canadian Prime Minister. Mark Carney says he wants a unique. alliance with the European Union, but is. not seeking membership of the block. He. says Canada and the EU share common. values and interests and should work. more closely together. I asked the BBC's. Mora Fogerty what sort of alliance Mark. Carney has in mind. It definitely is the. escalating trade war with the United. States that's causing Canada to. strategically pivot to look towards.

other strategic partners around the. world. And look, the EU is just one of. them. All right. But we do know, for. example, that Mr. Carney has. long-standing ties with uh the European. Union because he was the Bank of England. uh governor uh previous to uh his uh his. entry into politics. We also know that. you know if you have been a trading. partner with the US which Canada has. been and trade is worth about $870. billion with your southern neighbor. you're starting to think about how do I. diversify my trading partners around the.

world and so the EU is the second. largest trading partner with Canada. That figure though is much lower at. about $178 billion between these two. trading blocks, Canada and the EU. But. clearly he's looking to diversify and to. deepen and also kind of strengthen his. allies and friends around the world. again because of this escalating trade. war with the United States. >> I was wondering how then the US would. see this if Canada started moving closer. towards the European Union.

>> Well, you know, it's it's not. necessarily a done deal. So, the Wall. Street Journal reporting and Mr. Carney's comments point to the fact that. he is keen on developing much closer. ties with the European Union. But don't. forget the the EU is very rulesbound. It. does require its members if you become a. a full member, for example, you've got. to pay into the EU budget. You have to. follow all the EU regulations and to. some extent give up some measure of. political uh decision-making, I should. say, over to the EU body. That's not.

exactly what Mr. party is looking for, but there are hurdles for him to. developing the kinds of ties that he. wants to. Don't forget, too, that about. nine years ago, Canada did sign a trade. agreement with the uh the European. Union, but that deal has not been. ratified by about 10 member states of. the EU. Extensive restoration work at. Buckingham Palace has uncovered a. cluster of curious historical items. Among the finds is a ticket to a social. event for royal household staff. Richard. Hamilton reports.

a special ceremony of the changing of. the guard outside Buckingham Palace on. Friday to commemorate the 9/11 attacks. in the US. But behind the walls of the. palace and under the floorboards, a. quirky collection has been uncovered. The misplaced items are thought to. belong to staff who worked at the palace. decades ago and were found by workers. carrying out the $500 million. refurbishment.

These provide glimpses of. behindthe-scenes life inside the palace. Embedded in a lump of brick was a ticket. to an evening of playing cards or wis. drive run by the Royal Household Social. Club from nearly 80 years ago. Other. items in this unexpected time capsule. include betting slips for the football. pools from 1957, a pair of battered black hobnail boots, an empty silk cut cigarette packet, as.

well as theater listings from the. Standard newspaper in 1889. There's also a schedule detailing Queen. Elizabeth II's plans for a diplomatic. reception in 1977, revealing that the monarch would work. the room in a clockwise direction. The 78th annual Emmy Awards are taking. place in Los Angeles on Monday, and this. year's most nominated program is the. medical drama The Pit with 25.

nominations in total. Our correspondent. David Willis reports from LA. >> One, two, three. >> The carpet may match the underlying mood. in Hollywood, but the Emmys are putting. a brave face on it. And at pre-show. gatherings, one series was on everyone's. lips. >> Is this a drill? >> West Bridge Hospital has shut down all. the computer systems. Not since ER hit. our screens a quarter of a century ago.

has a medical drama proved as popular as. The Pit. A gritty emergency room drama. that casts an often unflattering eye on. the American healthcare system. It has. 25 Emmy nominations. >> This is a place where where we have this. real existential questions of what it. means to live, what it means to die, what it means to like, you know, reflect. on these deeper existential questions. And so I think that that that's an. opening for vulnerability and and people.

see themselves in their own lives. reflected um in these characters and in. the stories. Set in Pittsburgh but made. in Hollywood, The Pit provides an. industry bleaguered by COVID and a. writer strike with a very welcome break. Some cast members have already found. themselves nominated a second time. around. >> I think I didn't think there would any. any way I was going to win last year, so. I didn't feel nervous. I was just like, "Woohoo!" And uh so now I'm just tense. cuz it's. >> and this year. >> I guess it's become a possibility. >> You're the favorite this year.

>> I didn't know this. >> Head to the safe house. >> Need to come out. >> I haven't been in touch for months. Sure. I'm not actually needed. >> No, I'm afraid you are. >> Another favorite, Slow Horses, has been. nominated for best drama series for the. third year in a row. >> It's got a very specific tone to it. It's very British. It's funny. It's. >> serious. Yeah, it's it's very difficult. to put your finger on exactly what it. is, which I think is why it's so. appealing to so many people. >> For those that don't know me,

>> I'm Reuben Pallister, and I'm going to. tell you about Now, Kennedy. >> Meanwhile, the man behind one of. Netflix's most watched series ever, Baby. Reindeer, is back. Richard Gad's new. show, Half Man, marks a switch in. subject matter from stalking to toxic. masculinity. All of this marks the start of the. Hollywood awards season which culminates. in the Oscars in six months time. And. that's all for this edition of the. Global News podcast. If you'd like to.

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