The Scream Murder, Episode 1: The Crime

Hi, I'm Connor McCarthy. Today I'm here. to share the first episode of a brand. new podcast from ABC News Studios and. Lone Wolf Media, The Scream Murder, a. true teen horror story. This six-part. series will unravel the shocking story. behind the brutal murder of Cassie. Stoddard, a 16-year-old from Idaho. It's. an unprecedented deep dive into a story. of how teenage insecurity and the love. of horror movies twisted into something. terrible. Today, you'll hear the first.

episode, but stick around. New episodes. will be released right here on the 2020. podcast feed weekly on Wednesdays for. the next few weeks. Or you can listen. ahead and get the series early and adree. on Apple Podcasts when you subscribe to. 2020 True Crime Plus. Just click the. link in the description to sign up. Terms apply. Now, here's the first. episode.

It's September 2006 in Pocutello, Idaho. Quiet, isolated town surrounded by. mountains. It's the kind of place where. people feel safe. 16-year-old Cassie Joe Stoddard is. spending the weekend housesitting, caring for her aunt and uncle's pets. while they're out of town. It should be an uneventful weekend, a. few nights alone, homework, [music] and. TV. But when Cassy's aunt and uncle return.

home on Sunday, the house is silent. They call Cassie's name, but no one. answers. And in an instant, everything changes. My name is Pat Rogers, and that's Conor. McCarthy. And together with Lonewolf. Media, we produced a three-part. documentary series on a true crime which. took place in Idaho in 2006. And over.

the next six episodes, we're going to. take a deep dive into that crime, meet. all of the people involved in the. investigation and the family members as. well. Just on a purely personal note, I've been doing true crime 25 years or. so. And I thought I had seen everything. until I encountered this story. >> The time that we spent in Idaho [music]. making this documentary, I'm never going. to forget it. And I think listeners will.

understand why this case is just one of. one. This is The Scream Murder, a true teen. horror story podcast. [music]. So, this case, as horrifying and strange. and as unusual as it was, it started in. a very usual way with a call to 911. >> Before I play this, I just want to warn. listeners, it's very disturbing uh in. the description and the frenzy and panic.

of this caller. >> Yeah. Emergency 911. >> I need an ambulance out of my house. May. I? >> Okay. What's going on there? Somebody. looks dead on my floor. I just got back. from Wyoming. Oh my god. It's like. somebody's dead or I need an ambulance. now. >> So somebody's where? >> Oh my. Ma'am, don't yell. I can't hear. you when you do that. Let me get your. auto medical. Stay on the line.

>> [music]. >> Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my. god. The caller was a woman named Allison. Contrarus. She and her family had been. on vacation in Wyoming and they came. back and as you just heard they found a. girl dead on their floor and that girl. was Cassie Joe Stoddard. She's a relative of the caller and she. was housesitting for the family over the.

weekend. >> Is she breathing? >> No, she isn't. She's cold. She's dead. She's cold. >> Oh my god. >> She's cold as a pug. >> Hey, do you want do you want to start. not CPR? >> Okay. How old is she? >> 16. >> All right. So that came into Banick. County, Idaho 911.

September 24th, 2006. Police at this point, they don't have a. lot of information. Clearly, this is. probably an act of foul play. They don't. know manner of death, why uh Cassie was, if she was targeted. There's very little. to go on. So obviously, police have to. get there as soon as possible to. respond. >> [music]. >> Banick County Sheriff's, Pocutella. police, Idaho State Police, all head out. there. They uh start a search for. evidence. They find Cassie uh dead, apparently stabbed to death.

>> One of the lead detectives that we spoke. to um in in Idaho, uh Detective John. Gansky said when he received the call, he knew this one was different because. of the nature of the crime and the age. of the victim. >> Yeah. So, start off first though, there's a crime scene video. >> The video begins. There's a basement entrance to the house. and that's where they start recording. basically. And there's stairs that lead.

upstairs. And at the base of the stairs. there, there's some broken glass. Keep that in mind, that broken glass, because why? There's no window. There's. nothing glass near where that glass is. found. So right away they're like, "Wait, you know, what is this doing?". >> People hear broken glass, they assume. it's either from two things, a window or. a window within a door to break in to. unlock the door to get. >> broken and this is the glass. But that's. not the case. And it figures later, the. tape continues up the stairs into the.

living room where Cassie was found. >> And she's found next to the coffee table. on the floor. >> Yeah. >> She clearly was stabbed. Yeah. >> Multiple times, >> mostly in the torso, chest, and. >> almost all of them. And there was a. single stab wound in the leg, which. there was a lot of blood, meaning she. was still alive when that was inflicted. >> They look further into the house. Nothing's disturbed. Nothing's taken. No. sign of a forced entry anywhere. They.

check the doors and windows, obviously. Um, they consult with the family. Was. anything stolen? No. So, these [music]. are major clues. Nothing taken. No. forced entry. >> [music]. >> glass at the bottom of the stairs. What's all this mean? And the the scene. basically contained to this one area. >> Was it a stranger who somehow found way. in and [music]. was able to ambush her or was it someone. that she knew that she led in? Both are.

two terrifying scenarios. I think we. should take a minute to talk about this. time period. This is 2006, 20 years ago. There's no digital trace. >> that we rely on. so often now. >> Not to mention just the advent of. security cameras everywhere. >> Yeah. Households will have 30 cameras. Yeah. On every corner of the eve, the. ring cam, nanny cams, cat cams, you. know, people, you name it. People have. full coverage. Um, that did not exist in.

2006 in Pocutello, Idaho. >> So, there's two things. There's what. they have and what they don't have. And. what they don't have is a witness, a. murder weapon, a motive because nothing. was taken. What they do have is a young. girl stabbed to death many times all. alone in this house. But before they. left the scene, and this gets a little. tough here, Cassie's mother, Anna. Stoddard, was called to the scene. And. this is what she said. This comes from. KPVI's television station in uh.

Pocutello. is Anna Stoddard upon arrival. at the house where Cassie was found. >> Pulled into the driveway and Frank come. running out and says, "I think Cassie's. dead.". And Victor jumped out of the car, ran. into the house. I sat there for a minute just in shock. And after Victor ran in, I ran in after. him. Victor came out from the living room and.

pushed me into the kitchen. He says, "No, you can't go in there. You can't go. in there. She's dead. You can't go in. there." And I started screaming. I want. my daughter. I want my daughter. >> It's unfathomable to have something like. that happen to you, to have your. daughter just taken away from you in. such a violent, unnecessary manner. Um, why would someone target a 16-year-old. teenager who was attending Pocutello.

High School in Pocutello, Idaho? You met. with Anna. >> Yeah. >> Uh, you sat down with her. Uh, this was. several years ago. And walk me through. what what she told you about Cassie. >> Yeah. I met with Anna and um she. described Cassie. Anna said that she was. a straight A student and had ambition at. 16 years old to be a uh prosecutor, wanted to go to law school and then. become a prosecutor. She had plans and. Cassie had told Anna that she said,

"Mom, I want to put away the bad guys as. a prosecutor." You know, Cassie as a u. 16-year-old already kind of had her life. mapped out and her life is taken away. >> [music]. >> the nature of this crime, the victim, you would say that in a town like. Pocutello, a town of 50,000 people, this. doesn't happen. No, >> this kind of crime doesn't happen. But. in fact, it has happened one other time.

>> Tell me about Norah Jones. >> Right. So, you know, Pocutello, very. peaceful place, not a lot of murder. But. two years almost to the day before. Cassie was murdered, there was a very. similar homicide. It was Nory Jones, a 25-year-old nurse. who was home alone by Cassie, stabbed to death in the wound pattern. was very similar. This was already a. case. >> Yeah. Unsolved. >> Another This was This the Nory Jones.

case was already a dark cloud that was. hovering over the police department. This has gone unsolved. It was a. shocking crime. It was a home invasion. Woman home alone at night. Uh now they. have a second one. >> Yeah. >> And Bill Collins with Pocutello police. was called to the crime scene. specifically because he was working the. Nory Jones case. >> The similarities between these two. cases, I mean, they're both females. They're both home alone at homes. Both.

of the females were killed in the same. matter. That was one of the reasons why I got. called there. We thought this could have. been a serial event. I mean, both. murders are in September. It's just not normal. And it's not. normal for to happen in [music] our area. like this. >> They have a problem on their hands. Not. only is they have the murder of a. teenager, but there are two unsolved. cases and they got to move fast. >> Yeah. Very similar [music] cases.

>> Just a lot of coincidences that made us. concerned as law enforcement. I mean, and who's next and when is it going to. be next? I mean, those those were were. fears that we had. >> So, remember the name Nory Jones. That. is a name you will hear again in. subsequent episodes. That will come. back. We will talk about Nory Jones. again. All right. So, the two lead. detectives on this case are Andy Thomas. and uh John Gansky from the Idaho State. Police. And they have a true who done it.

on their hands. They have a ticking. clock here. Every hour this goes. unsolved, the killer could be that much. farther away from the crime scene from. Pocutello, from Idaho. Every minute of. every day is extremely important. >> But there's also another component. This. is the murder of a child. >> Yeah. >> This is the most heinous that it can. get. And so clearly the people in that. community said, "You need to solve this. You need to solve this fast.". >> Super high-profile.

Connor, talk a little about the town of. Pocutello. >> Pocutello is in southeast Idaho. Idaho. is a huge state. It's in the corner of. it basically all by itself. The landscape is gorgeous. >> We have mountains that basically circle. the town, grass covered. >> The downtown area has this quirky art. deco. Um, but then you have the Mormon. temple that's up on top, newly built. So.

this there's a large Mormon population. Uh it felt like it was a collision of of. different cultures in some degree. And when we were on the streets and. talking to people who were a part of. this, who are affected by this case or. were just residents, they all said the. same thing. I live here because it's a. good place to raise my kids. It's safe. And I think that's kind of part of what. his charm is, that people would be left. alone to raise their kids, live in a. town uh where bad things don't happen.

>> Safe place to raise a family. And now we. we have this. >> Hours after Cassie was discovered, police need to build a timeline. When. was the last time [music] she was seen? Who was she last seen with? >> Uh so the first person they go to is. Cassy's mother because Cassie is a. 16-year-old teenager. Um, when was the. last time she saw Cassie? Uh, who's in. Cassy's life? Uh, they have to start. there and work their way out. >> She had dropped Cassie off on Friday.

night along with her boyfriend Matt. Uh, she was going to house Sid for the. weekend, so Anna had brought them over. there. Matt was not going to stay. overnight, but he was going to kind of. keep her company. So, that's on Friday. night. Her body's discovered Sunday. So. they have between Friday night and. Sunday when the Contrases come back home. to solve. They immediately go to Matt. Why? Because he's the last person that's. saw him and. >> the boyfriend. >> He's the boyfriend. So what did he see.

what was happening? Detective Gansky. says they need to speak to him right. away. Obviously. >> you sit there, man. >> He was an athlete. He was kind of a I. wouldn't say he was described as a class. clown, but good sense of humor kid. Got. along with everybody, kind of funny, goofy, regular kid, you know. He and. Cassie had been dating less than a year. that night your folks come and picked. you up about 11:30. >> and um then you guys went directly home.

back to your house on Eastridge. >> and then kind of. >> Detective Gansky is interviewing Matt. and he's relating the events of Friday. night. >> and um he tells them we were going to. hang out watch a movie while. uh they he was there two of their. friends from Pocutell High School uh. Brian Draper and Tory Adamek, both 16, came over. You know, when there's an. empty house where there's no parents.

around, sometimes the word gets out. You. know, this might be a party. Uh, and. that's what Matt said to police. uh when he mentioned Tori and Brian. H. they came over, they thought there was. going to be a party. There was no party. And he Matt was pretty clear. He's like, I told them there was no party here. >> And she was just like, okay, I'll just. be there all weekend by myself. And they. were and they were all like, "Oh, you're. going to have a party." And she's all. like, "No." I said, "I was going to be.

up there by myself." And they're all. like, "Oh, you're going to have a. party." And so they went around and they. were all like like I think I'm pretty. sure they're just kidding. They and they. were all like, "Oh yeah, party at. Cassie's party at Cassie.". >> They show up and it's just Cassie and. Matt. >> Party of four. >> Party of four. >> So their other two friends, uh, Tori. Amchek and Brian Draper, they're 16. and. they come over. Four kids, Cassie, Matt, and their two friends, Brian Draper, Tory Adamek. All four of.

them knew each other from school. Tori and Brian probably more friends. with Matt than Cassie, but they all knew. each other. Brian is kind of described. as. uh you know, also not a class clown, but. kind of liked attention. He liked the skateboard. He played the. drums. A little bit on the goofy side I. guess you would say. And Tori sort of uh more of an. introvert, quiet,

artsy maybe, had ambitions to be a. filmmaker. So anyway, the four of them are over at. this house where Cassie is and they. watch a movie. They like Tori went back. upstairs and he looked through all their. movies and he was like like, "Oh, this. is a good movie. Oh, this is a good. movie. Oh, this is a good movie." Then. he found Kill Bill and he wanted to. watch Kill Bill. So he put that on and. Tori just sat there and just watched the. movie and that. >> Why is she not Tori did?

>> Yeah, Tori. He just sat there and he. just. >> So who found Kill Bill? >> Tori. >> Tori. >> He just found it in their little movie. collection. >> They watch part of a movie. Kill Bill. They play around on a weight machine. They kind of just hang around a little. bit. Matt tells police at 9:30. Tori and Brian leave. There's not going. to be a party at this house. They leave. They tell uh Matt and Cassie that. they're going to go see a movie in town. And the movie was called Pulse. Was a.

horror movie that was out at the time. Uh so they leave. Um and it's just. Cassie and Matt now. And this is when it. takes a strange turn. >> It gets weird right here. Yeah. You. know, the detective, John Gansky, lead. investigator, told us that Matt says. that while they're alone on the couch. watching a movie, the lights go out in. the house and the power goes out in the. house. Television shuts down, house goes dark.

They are immediately, as you might. imagine, a little bit alarmed by this. The dog that was at the Contrarus' house. walks over to the top of the basement. stairs and starts growling. and it's picking up something that's in. the basement. Something or someone. They. didn't go down there to investigate. I. don't think anybody in their right mind, particularly like a 16-year-old kid, is. going to go down to the basement to see. if someone's down there.

>> Uh but then suddenly, >> yeah, >> the lights come back on. So, the lights. come back on and that's when Matt called. his mom. >> cuz she's a little scared. I told him. how she was kind of scared cuz the. lights went out and she was a little. freaked out. >> So, he Matt calls his mom and says, "Hey, the lights came went out. They. came back on. Cassie's afraid. Can I. stay here?" She's Yeah. Uh, and mom. says, "No, but Cassie is welcome to stay. at our house. she can come stay with us.

um if she's that scared. >> Cassie says, "I'm going to stay. I'm. with the dog. I have to take care of the. dog." And Matt gets in the car and they. pull away. And that's the last time. Cassie is seen alive. >> Yeah. >> You know, so Detective Gansky is. interviewing Matt and he's telling this, you know, credible story piece by piece. It's making some kind of sense. He's, you know, relating the events of Friday.

night, but there's something off, says. Gansky. >> This was his experience interviewing. Matt. >> Yeah. When when we uh interviewed, you. know, Matt, you know, one of the things. that that stood out to us was the fact. that his, you know, he was just a bit. off on emotion. He didn't uh he he. didn't react to things like like maybe. we expected people to, and he just he. was emotionless. And it was just it was. it was it was quite odd to us and it was.

is out of the norm for for someone to. act like that when when interviewed. >> Okay. So, I mean, I guess we just we. need to ask, you know, go to the go to. the source. >> I mean, so Saturday, you didn't see. Cassie at all? >> Nope. >> I I tried to call her all day long. >> So, why are you not with her on. Saturday? Um because I tried to call her all day. and I couldn't get a ride up there, you. know, like my mom was at work that day. So I. >> You don't have a car? >> No. Cuz there hasn't been a day in the.

last 5 months that we haven't at least. talked to each other, you know. So it. was really strange. >> This is tricky for police. >> Yeah. >> Is does this mean something? Out of the. norm is how John Gansky describes his. interaction with Matt. But in Matt's. defense, how is a 16-year-old supposed. to. >> Yeah. >> Uh, show their emotions? What's the norm. for a 16-year-old who doesn't understand. the totality of what's happening? >> Matt had brought his mom to this.

interview, not a lawyer, but his mom. >> And his mom was listening to this, sitting in the background. >> She's in there because. >> she's in there. >> He is a he's a minor. >> Yeah. >> And they asked, they would say, "We can. interview him by himself or you can be. in the room." and she chose I want to be. in the room with my son. >> You know, towards the end of the. conversation, they say to Matt, "Did you. guys go in the kitchen? Did you eat. anything?". >> I'm going to play a little piece of the. police interview with Matt and Detective. Gansky and Thomas.

>> So, there's the three of you that are. involved in this thing. Okay. There's. you and then there's your two friends. who come over. Did anybody try to eat? Did either one of them, Tori or Brian? >> There were popsicles. We had popsicles, >> of course. Teenagers watching Kill Bill, too. >> Give me a popsicle. But it turns quickly. because they open these popsicles with a. knife. And Matt starts to go into great.

detail about this knife. I showed them. like this huge knife that they've got. like it's kind of like really sharp and. like it you have to like pinch this. thing to pull it out of its old thing. And not and like I showed Brian that. >> Where was that knife at? >> In the kitchen. >> And what what did it look like? >> It was just like a knife like that long. And. >> what color was it? >> Uh black candle and like silver blade, you know. >> Um I Matthew.

>> Um I just found out something that I. didn't know. Um what you just told them. I You didn't tell me this about any kind. of You showed him a knife. That was. Matt's mother. Suddenly, she enters. She. intervenes. And because this is not. something that she knew about be, she's. now worried about her son. >> That would be a very important thing. I. I you didn't tell me not a word about. this. So, um this interview is over. right now and um we will get in touch.

with you. I got to um. figure some things out. >> Okay. >> Okay. Come on, M. This is an odd bit of information and. she I would say smartly says. >> absolutely. >> interview over. >> Yeah, >> please be in touch with this whole pan. >> Absolutely. >> But she does say at the end we'll be in. touch with you later. Matt and his mom, his parents agree to take a polygraph.

Not on this day, but they said they. would come back and they would take a. lie detector test. They wrap Matt's. interview. It's Sunday night. Cassie was. found about 1:30 Sunday afternoon. Uh, most of Pocotello has no idea that. something had happened. I would say a. majority of the high school students at. Pocutello High, classmates of Cass, has. no idea what they're walking into Monday.

morning. We spoke to several [music]. former classmates, friends of Cassy's, friends of Matts, and most of them all. found out that Monday morning. They go. to school, it's September, it's football. season, homecoming is around the corner, they've been in school for a few weeks, and then bam, they're hit with news that. not only is did they lose one of their. classmates, they lost one of their. classmates to a homicide. Amber is one of those students that we.

talked to. And here is how she described that. Monday morning that she [music] will. never forget. I remember getting to school. and I went straight to the cafeteria. to get breakfast and my cousin was. sitting at the table crying hysterically. and I asked her what was wrong. and she told me.

about Cassie. It was like a scene in a movie. Nobody was You didn't hear any laughter. Everybody was just whispering, crying. I just wanted to go home. I. >> mean, it's just heartbreaking. I was I was with her when she talked. about that and it felt like this was the. first time she'd ever openly talked. about that moment. I mean, obviously the.

formative years of high school, traumatic in so many ways. >> Obviously, Amber was right back in that. moment 20 years ago. >> Yeah. >> Um she you could tell she was struggling. with that. Um and there was not only. like deep sadness and bewilderment, but. there was still some fear. This killer. is still on the loose. No one's been. caught. A high school kid has been. targeted. Who's to say another one isn't. next. >> It's not far-fetched. We still have the. Nory Jones case unsolved. This is.

unsolved. There there is a certain. amount of fear bouncing around the halls. of Pocutello High School, too. >> Okay, Pat. So, there's a big turn in. this case early on. The autopsy report. [music] comes in. >> Cassie had been stabbed multiple times. >> 31. 31 times. >> What surprised detectives in this report. was the medical examiner believed that. it wasn't one knife that was used. There. were actually two knives used in this,

>> which says to them that there are. probably possibly. >> two killers. So immediately they start. to think differently about this case. This is a huge huge moment in this case. [music] It opens up a huge uh number of. possibilities here. Okay, so now they've got this new. information that two knives, maybe two. killers, changes the complexion of this. case. They turned back to Matt, Cassy's.

boyfriend, who had left police. headquarters abruptly after mentioning a. knife that he and Tori and Brian, his. two friends, had handled. Um, his mom. had said interview over. But they had. promised to come back and talk to police. again. They come back into police. headquarters to take a polygraph test. So Matt comes in, takes the polygraph, passes. Once Matt passes this polygraph, they. don't move him off, but they move him.

way down on the suspect list. >> But there is nothing, there was no hard. evidence, physical evidence, even. circumstantial evidence to indicate that. he had anything to do with this crime. >> There's no real reason to keep pursuing. him as a suspect. So they move on to the other two kids. that came there that night. Brian Draper. and Tory Adamek, both 16, both Pocutello. High, classmates and friends of um. Cassie and Matt. And Brian Draper comes.

in first. Here's another scrawny kid who. is maybe 130 lbs wet. Uh unlike Matt, Matt's a football player. Brian is more. the musician skater. Greasy hair. He's. got the t-shirt, the jeans, the. Converse. When he arrives to speak to the. detectives at the police station, uh. he's escorted by his mother, Pam. When. they ask Pam if she would like to be in. the room with him because he's a minor, she says, "No. Uh my kid had nothing to.

do with this. I'm confident in my. belief. I know my son and I'm happy for. you to speak to him alone.". >> No lawyer. >> No lawyer. >> No adult in the room. >> Two detectives and Brian Draper. So, a little bit of Brian Draper is um. you know, Brian came from his parents. are still together. Um he lives in upper. middle class house on the edge [music]. of town. Um he has a little sister. He. came from a good home and he's allowed.

to interview with detectives alone. And. I sat down with Pam Draper and she. explained her reasoning behind that. And. I think this is important to listen. [music] from her. I remember the sergeant asking me if I. thought my son could be involved. And I. said, "No way. There is no way. If Brian. saw somebody hurting his friend, he would have died trying to stop it.".

That's my son. And I told him that. night, I said, "Son, if you know anything about. this, you have to tell it. No matter who's involved, you have to tell them because if this. was your sister, you would want. us to have closure.". >> Thanks, man. Yeah. What was interesting when you see the.

the first shot when you watch the police. interview, Brian is in the room by. himself and he's tapping. He's a drummer. He seems comfortable. He's cool. He knows why he's there. But. there are no signs that he has anything. to do with it. He doesn't look. uncomfortable. The body language is. scratching. The pacing, none of that is. happening. He seems like this. He's in. his element in a sense that he's just in. his own world and he's practicing his. rhythms for his drumming. He seems at.

ease. So, here's Brian Draper, 16, regular kid, never been in trouble, in a. room alone with two homicide detectives. >> That's um, you know, not where most. 16-year-old kids would ever find. themselves. So Brian essentially tells. the same story that Matt had told police. earlier that he and Tori Adam had heard. there was going to be a party at Cassy's. house where she was housesitting. No. parents. I mean, this is how the word.

gets out. And then they had showed up. and there was no party. It was just. Cassie and Matt there. And he goes. through all of the events of that night. and they match exactly what Matt said. And then I do know we went downstairs to. the um to get our popsicles and I saw. the gym. >> Okay. >> So we we looked at weights for like. maybe 20 minutes. >> And did you play them? Did you sit on. them? Did you play with a little bit? So.

your fingerprints might be on those. [snorts] those. >> weight. We had like a contest. >> Okay. >> I guess I won. >> We played on the weight machine. We. watched a movie. We had some popsicles. Uh, and then at 9:30 we left to go see a. movie in town because we figured nothing. was happening here. We're going to go. see a movie. We're going to go see. Pulse. >> So, we went to check on the movies. It. started at 9:45.

and we watch movies a lot, you know, >> and we like to see the whole movie. So, and I think the only one playing was. this the was Pulse and that was at. 10:00. >> Okay. And you're absolutely. unequivocally. positive that you too went into Pulse. You two bought tickets for Pulse. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Pulse is a movie that came out in. July of that year. We're in September. It's a remake of a popular Japanese.

film. This Tori and Brian were known. cophiles. >> Yeah. >> They're film geeks. >> Yeah. >> So, this is what they do. They get. bored, they go to the movies. But this. is where something odd happens when. Detective Gansky says, "Well, tell me. about this movie." You're a movie buff. What was it about? >> What's the movie about? I mean, you're a. movie buff, so you're these are things. that you pay attention to, right? I. mean, >> at least parts of the movie. Any. characters you can you can hook us up. with to describe somebody in the movie,

describe what happened, anything. What's. the what's the whole premise or the plot. of the movie? What's it all about? And Brian, an avowed horror movie fan, says this about the movie he had just. seen a couple days earlier. Uh, >> I can't really exactly explain the movie. cuz I. didn't pay attention to it. I remember. being I remember being really really. bored. kind of. >> so you go in a movie, you pay you paid.

that money to go in a movie and you I. mean you're going to pick up at least. one image off the screen that you saw. Tell us about one person. Describe one. person you saw in the movie. What they. look like? >> I'm seeing a man and he looked at a a. TV screen the and it had white noise on. had the thing. >> and that's all you saw the whole movie. So how long do you think you were inside. that movie theater? Total grand total. >> We were there a whole maybe two hours. two hours you were inside that movie. theater and you don't remember you don't.

remember one detail to help us out. >> They are lobbing it down the middle for. him. >> We need to know exactly you know what. movie theater did you went to? Did. anybody see you? >> Most importantly what's the movie about? And he can't give one single detail. Early on they asked him what kind of. movies you like and he specifically. mentioned horror movies. >> They went on to say how about a. character? How about a plot point? How. about anything? >> Anything. Anything about this movie. >> And so this is uh.

>> what would we say? This is a tell for. police. This is what they call a clue in. the business. >> I think this is important to hear from. Detective John Gansky, who was in the. room with Brian Draper when they caught. him in not necessarily a lie, but uh. there was definitely a wrinkle in his. story. Andy and I asked him some questions. about what was the movie about. And this. this was a point in the interview that. he it kind of stumped him a bit and kind.

of shocked us because he didn't he. didn't actually know what the movie was. about. And uh so this was clearly a a. red flag. And this was kind of a turning. point in the interview where Brian then. admitted that yeah, we we didn't go to. the movie. We we lied about going to. movie and and the reason why they lied. about going to the movie is cuz they. were doing something else. >> At this point in watching the police. video, you see the dynamic change.

between the two detectives. >> Yeah. >> Something just fell out of place. Yeah. >> For Brian and they don't know why. They're closing in on a blip. What is. this? What does it mean? And this is his. approach and this is what he said to. Brian. And I think it's very important. for for us to listen to what he says to. him. >> Don't waste any more of our time, okay? Don't underestimate what we know. >> You didn't go to the movie. That's fine,

but you're going to have to tell us. where you went so that we can put you. there. Okay. Hold on a sec. Okay. >> Okay. I can tell you what we're doing. I. was trying to hide this, but I guess I. have to tell you now. >> I guess I have to tell you now. And what. Brian says next, what he tells. detectives is not what they or probably. anybody listening to this were expecting. to hear. So, we're going to get into. what he told police and the rest of this.

investigation as it unfolds in the next. episode. [music].